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Since December of 2017, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP, has long been touted as a “Secret Pentagon UFO Study” which lasted from 2008 – 2012. However, that has not always been the case to the Pentagon. In a series of conflicting and confusing statements since 2017, the official position of the Department of Defense (DoD) has gone from confirming it was a UFO program, to saying no it was not, to now saying it still was not a UFO program, but it did utilize UFO (or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena / UAP) reports during its research stages.
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New Pentagon statements on AATIP and UFOs.
Yes!
They want you to believe that there’s nothing new in there, that it’s all just put together from past statements. But you know what, there’s one little nugget that made the entire effort to get it worthwhile. And it was an effort that stretched well over a year, not only by myself, but numerous other media outlets and journalists and bloggers that have been pushing for answers. And they’re finally here. What’s it say? I’m not sure if it gives more clarity or confusion, but we’re about to dissect it together. Stay tuned, you’re about to journey inside the black vault. That’s right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for tuning in and taking this journey inside the black vault with me. I’m your host, john Greenewald, Jr. And originally, when I was gonna do this video, I was just gonna do kind of a short, quick blast, as they’re called on this channel, just to kind of update you guys on the new Pentagon statement that just was released on Friday. Now I call it new. It’s mostly a cobbled together bigger statement of things that we’ve heard about before, except one section that I believe is the biggest revelation out of it all. I’ll get into that in a minute. But when planning for the video and thinking, Okay, I need to revisit this and revisit that I did. So to kind of refresh my own memory and realize, you know, what, there is so much here, a lot of which that we haven’t talked about any year or two, and stuff that I even forgot about. So I thought, you know what, let’s just do a full show a full video, break everything down? What do we know from the statement? What don’t we know? And where are we at this point. So in the planning now, for that, I realized, man, this is going to be a couple of videos. So stay tuned, because maybe there’ll be a few that are going to drop here. In the next week or so with this, what I would call revelation. Now, what I want to break down for you guys is this statement. As I mentioned, it’s kind of this cobbled together over the last couple of years, they’ve released smaller statements, so they cobble them all together to make this much larger one, and added some additional information. It seems to be yet another example on the side of the Pentagon for flip flopping, flip flopping in the sense that
they say one thing, one year, and then a year or two later, kind of go back on it, change it or so on and so forth. Do they admit to doing that? No. When I had written a story, I was not actually aiming for them to change, a UFO statement from the past. However, in conversation, it came up that when they originally told The New York Post, yes, a tip was UFO or UAP. Related, that obviously flip flopped from statements prior saying, No, it didn’t. In the course of conversation on another story I was writing. She said, by the way, you know, essentially, and I’m paraphrasing there, but essentially, that statement was wrong. And they had corrected it and said a tip did not deal with UFOs or UAP. And they were not UFO or UAP related. So there’s been a lot of these types of issues where they have flipped flopped. So that’s why I titled this. It did. It didn’t Okay, it kind of did. And that will make a little bit more sense here in a few moments. Will this add clarity or confusion? And that’s kind of something that I don’t have the answer to. I’m here to kind of make this video dissect everything. I’ll let you guys decide on whether or not the Pentagon is being more clear with everything, or if they are just muddying the water and causing much more confusion. That, to me is a more common theme that I’m leaning towards, from a personal standpoint, that that may be by design. I wrote that in the article that I dropped today. But also, I will say to you here, I mean, maybe that is the pure and absolute intent with this mess on the side of the Pentagon talking about UFO and UAP related issues. Now, if you could believe at the root of this statement, what I believe is this statement is what Susan golf has told quite a few different mainstream media journalists and people that have written her that they were working on creating a more in depth statement on a tip. So in preparation for that, I’d created a page on my site, thinking that that was going to come in a week or two weeks, maybe even if you know, few months, it didn’t matter, that it was coming, I had everything set on the black vault ready for that. And if you can believe it goes back to February of 2020. And this was not released until May 21 2021. So well over a year after that rumor started. And in fact, that was just when I created the page, that rumor was already I think, a month or two old, if not longer. So this is a big thing in the making on the side of the Pentagon. But again, a lot of it is stuff we’ve gone over. Now for the audio version of this, I am going to read the entire thing to you You guys know that I’m not a huge fan of just sitting here reading. But I think it’s important for the audio version to hear the entire statement, but also it’s a great refresher. Because I looked back some of this information was were in statements that I got back in 2018 when I was pressing the Defense Intelligence Agency, when they were actually still talking about a tip. Now it’s all transferred to Susan Goff in the Pentagon, and she is the only person that responds to UAP and UFO inquiry. So here’s the statement. The purpose of the advanced aerospace threat identification program was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace Weapon System applications with future technology progressions over the next 40 years, and to create a center of expertise for advanced aerospace technologies. The goal was to help understand the threat posed by unconventional or leap ahead aerospace vehicles and technologies that could have national security implications for the United States. The program commenced in the fiscal year 2008. With $10 million dollars appropriated in the defense supplemental appropriation act, DEA awarded a contract to a sole bidder, Bigelow Aerospace advanced Space Studies LLC. The contract was known as the advanced aerospace Weapon System applications program or you’ll hear me say OS app. The contract goal was to study 12 technical areas lift propulsion control, armament, signatures, reduction, materials configuration, power generation temporal translation, human effects human interface and technology integration. The contractor identified and worked with academics and scientists to produce technical reports.
In developing the reports and exploring how to create a, quote, center of expertise, the contract allowed for research drawn from a wide variety of sources, including reports of uaps. However, the examination of UAP observations was not the purpose of a tip, I’m going to stop there, the statement keeps going, and I’m going to continue reading it. That is the bingo paragraph, there are at least a line or two, that is the essentially the best out of this entire thing because everything that I read to you up into up until what is highlighted there in yellow, for those watching the video, that was all rehashed of statements from the last couple of years, none of which has really changed, modified a little bit here and there. But the but the core of it had had always remained the same. What’s in yellow, there is the new material, that is the stuff that made me go, Hey, wait a minute. This goes against what the Pentagon has said. But then they took it back. And then they said it again. And and they can’t at this point. I’m curious if they can even keep the story straight. But that was that was the most important aspect of this. So I wanted to take a moment and at least drill into that particular part. And I’ll revisit it in a few moments. But that to me was was the biggest part of that. What was very interesting to me was that when I was sent this, and I was not the only one, I don’t want to give any impression that this was crafted solely for me. And it’s an exclusive statement. Quite the opposite. This was actually forwarded to quite a few different journalists, and bloggers and so on. I don’t know the whole list. I do know that Roger Glassell from Sweden had received it yesterday. He and I had talked kind of behind the scenes and I told him, I said, Look, I’m planning on on writing something as well. But I had held off because I knew that he was writing something. And I didn’t want to just kind of like make it a race or anything. So I held off and I said hey, whenever you publish your article You let me know. And then mine was written yesterday, when I woke up this morning, Roger in Sweden, obviously much time difference there kind of went up, I think at like four in the morning, my time, something like that. And thankfully, it was Saturday, my alarm bell didn’t go off at 4am like it usually does. And so I saw that he published it, I let it kind of sit so people could talk about his article first published mine, that’s what you saw today. Or if you didn’t, it’s in the show notes. So this is something that was given to all sorts of people and journalists, I do know a couple other colleagues of mine were also sent this the route of it, though, from what I understand goes to a another media outlet. So they created this to kind of just blanket statement to anybody asking about a tip, they just go, here you go. And they have this really big, essentially statement that they can just reference to anybody who is asking the other. The other part of this that I will note that I thought was interesting when I was given this, it was kind of I mean, I’ll say it was it wasn’t an official statement. But in the email and this was sent that there was nothing new that essentially it was just a cobbled together statement of everything that they’ve released. And that nothing new threw me off, because this part in yellow, I’ve looked everywhere. I’ve never seen this and don’t recall it. And in fact, they’ve tried very hard to correct this, to say that uaps and UFOs were unrelated to a tip. So anyway, quick side story there. But that is the the background to this statement and who has received it and it’s a rather large list. So continuing to read from the Department of Defense. The first 26 reports were completed by late 2009. The defense Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2010 included an additional $12 million for the program, and 12 additional reports were produced. A total of 38 technical reports were delivered, the list is below. All of the reports are either classified or marked for official use only. Only a few have been released to the public. After a review in late 2009. It was determined that the reports were of limited value to the Defense Intelligence Agency. The department terminated a tip when funding for the program ended in 2012. The statement also went on to talk about the UAP task force or UAP TF. This is what they said a tip versus UAP Task Force. The UAP TF is not a continuation of a tip.
Since the majority of reporting about UAP observations in recent years came from naval aviators, the Department of Navy has been leading assessments of UAP incursions into d. o t training ranges and designated airspace since approximately 2018. Beginning in 2019, DOJ undertook efforts to formalize the good work done by the Navy for the Department of Defense. former deputy former Deputy Secretary Norquist approved the establishment of the UA PTF on August 4 2020. So they’re trying to clearly differentiate between a tip and the UAP task force with with this particular statement, so what their aim and goal is your guess is as good as mine. But obviously, I think they’re probably getting a lot of questions. asking whether or not the task force is just that continuation of a UAP program, which obviously they say it is not. One thing I want to do now is revisit that statement. I’m not going to read it again to you but but rather just cite different sections, but talk about the evidence to support what the Pentagon is either trying to say or whether it’s lack of evidence. Because these types of statements I’ll be at are very helpful. They can also create a lot of confusion as well. And the aim is ultimately we want clarity. But sadly we get confusion. So I wanted to kind of revisit a few areas, in particular the beginning when they talked about the purpose of a tip and how it was to investigate foreign advanced Aero space weapons system applications and so on and so forth. What’s interesting about that is that as the language from the advanced aerospace Weapon System applications program bid solicitation, so the very public and and still reachable today, you got to go on wayback machine. But this was all posted in public this in 2008, was sent out for people to bid on to win the contract to get the funding from the US government, namely the Defense Intelligence Agency, and create these these reports. And this information that again, was looking at projections over 40 years, that was all SAP, but what’s key here is that it seems like the Pentagon is just lumping together. Tip. And OS app is kind of being the same thing. Interestingly, when john mccain asked about this, many years ago, that letter has been released by the Defense Intelligence Agency. He asked about a tip, and he got the reports that were made under OS app. So it, it kind of seems like they just feel that it is the same program. And that’s, that’s backed up by the documentation. Because again, McCain asked about a tip he never asked about OS app. And in reply, the DA said, Yeah, here’s everything that we created. And it was all the stuff that was done under OS app. So in their eyes, I feel like they consider it very much the same program, to where Luis Elizondo has gone out of his way to say they are not that all SAP was was essentially operated by his predecessor. And even the other day on Twitter had had did a tweet about this. I’m not sure what sparked it, I may have missed something that that may have rubbed him the wrong way that maybe somebody said he was the director of OS app or whatever. So I’m not really sure the core of it, but he had tweeted out rather sternly, that he was not the director of OS app, that he was the director of a tip. And that all of that credit goes to the his predecessor, which he has never named, I have a guess on who that is. But out of respect, I’m not going to start blasting his name. But Luis Elizondo,
again, made reference to a predecessor along with bass. So he wants to clearly differentiate between the two programs and how they were different. I’d love to know what the core of that motivation was to create the tweet, if you guys know, put it in the comments, let me know if I if I miss something. So back to some of the supporting evidence, just again, as a little bit of a refresher to what has come out in the last couple of years, the section of their statement, about $10 million in 2008, to create the reports. This was a document that was flashed on screen by George Knapp and one of the many stories that he’s done. Obviously, George has great sources, when it comes to this kind of stuff, he’s been able to come out with quite a few different reports and letters that nobody had seen before, been able to do stories on them. This particular document I don’t believe he’s ever released in full, but they used it as a graphic. And this was the, essentially the awarded amount of money, I assume, then for 2008 for fiscal year 2008. That was going to bass and you can see here $10 million, which absolutely coincides with the Pentagon statement. So those two very much match up. As you recall, it was noted that it was $22 million total. Well, there was 12 additional million dollars that were sent 10 plus 12 22 million. So that all kind of matches up and coincides with each other as documented by evidence and what was reported originally by the New York Times. That’s That’s all. Again, maybe just just too much information. But from an information standpoint, and especially an investigative one, you need all of that and the pieces of the puzzle to start matching up. So in that regard, it seemed like it matched up the part about the 12 technical areas lift propulsion control armament, that whole that whole list that the Pentagon stated was was the goal of a tip that is language that is again taken directly out of the OSS AP program, so that the the publicly available information backs up everything that they say. But again, they are 100% combining a tip and OS app here, meaning the Pentagon, why are they doing that? While to them it may have ultimately been the same. So there’s a huge discrepancy there. People were involved. Mainly Luis Elizondo say they were different. I should also point out Dr. Hal put off, he actually sides with the Pentagon on this one, he states that all SAP and a tip were the same. A tip was simply a nickname. So those are the types of discrepancies from an investigative standpoint that do mean something. They sound silly, and it’s like, oh, you’re just nitpicking. But when you really start to, again, this leads into litigation also for litigation, going after these records. All of these statements, since they don’t coincide with each other can absolutely be very problematic. In situations like that, as the general public, myself included, are requesting information, which may ultimately go to an appeal process or litigation. So we have a lot of discrepancies there on the relationship between us app and a tip the section about the 26 reports in 2009 and then the 12 additional ones the next year after review in late 2009. It was the And that the reports are of limited value to the Defense Intelligence Agency. So 2009 seem to be a very key year 10 million in 2008 12 million in 2009. They reviewed it at the end of 2009. And said, this is worthless. This is something that is not worthwhile to us, meaning the Defense Intelligence Agency, so they wanted to wash their hands of it. I have had an open request for years on what that review entailed and what it what it documented. But regardless, that has been a stance of theirs. Going back to I think I first got that in the beginning of 2018. From the Defense Intelligence Agency, when they said, This is why we stopped doing the OS app slash a tip contract was, it was of limited value. That year
is also key in 2009. Because just months prior, we don’t know exactly how much. But this would be mid 2009. According to the Pentagon, the review was late 2009. Harry Reid was getting involved. This is his letter that he tried to get a tip SAP status. Now I’ve done a whole video based on this letter. It is intriguing. There are many interesting elements to it. And I won’t repeat them all here. But just kind of putting it a little bit into chronological order here. 2009 seemingly, something was going on, you know, and Reid gets involved, which is pretty unorthodox for a senator to do that gets involved, tries to get SAP status, it was reported that it was denied. However, the response letter was not found with the Department of Defense when I requested it and essentially fought for years to try and get it. They can’t find the response. But they after telling me they couldn’t find this letter either have finally said yes, we did find it is still being reviewed and may ultimately be redacted in some areas. Who knows because this is a leaked document, who knows what will ultimately come out of that but I did do that huge report that has a heck of a lot of detail on this letter, but that was 2009 This is a slide from Luis Elizondo his presentation that he gave to move on. Now, why I wanted to bring this up was this is talking about the 2009 timeframe but also 2010 through 2012. So essentially, enter stage left Luis Elizondo, he comes into play and takes over at OSD. So let me go through this slide 2008 through 2009 preliminary results are broad and promising, including vast amounts of data collection and analysis. 2009 congressional letter sent to do D leadership requesting program status be upgraded to better protect the data and sensitive results due to the nature of the effort and likelihood of counterintelligence threat. 2009 specific elements and do D resist the effort based on philosophical differences. The fact that the phenomena is real is not denied. 2010 through 2012, a tip moves under OSD rather than di. So according to Mr. Elizondo, that 2010 Mark was when a tip transfers over to OSD. And he then starts to become the director and lead this a tip effort investigating UFOs what’s very, very weird, which has not really been addressed as again, that Pentagon statement that talks about Ace a tip and OS app as a whole, that they’re essentially the same thing. And that they awarded the $22 million over those two fiscal years. What happened in 2010, to 2012. Now again, we have Luis Elizondo his testimony he was out there, he’s investigating UFOs, even while beyond 2012, into 2017, when he retired, so we have that. But on the side of the DOJ in the Pentagon, those two years are completely absent from any of their statements. They really just don’t talk about it. They always refer back to the reports, the 38 derd reports that were referenced earlier. And that’s it. So for two whole years, how much money went into that in addition to the 22 million that funded basses involvement, how much money went into that and what happened, and that is a complete hole that I don’t think a lot of people deal with. So you have these gaps in the timeline of what essentially happened. So when you take that program from DEA and you put it over to OSD and then again enter Luis Elizondo takes over the program, what happened, and that’s something that the DLD just has not touched yet and I’m not really sure why I’m you know, I mean, if if it if it stayed without UFO involvement, that’s fine, but at least say something. And it seems like that’s just a two year gaping hole that they have never, ever touched. Moving on that part about the UAP taskforce that obviously All checks out for those who pay attention on August 14 2020. They release that press release that you see on your screen here that the Department of Defense established a huge, unidentified aerial phenomena Task Force. So obviously very much unfolding right now. There’s a lot of roadblocks when it comes to the UAP TF, where a lot of it is classified or so they claim from the spokespeople, I always say Challenge accepted, because through FOIA, sometimes you get very different results. But of course, going back to that bingo sentence, or sentences rather, and developing
reports and exploring how to create a center of expertise, the contract allowed for research drawn from a wide variety of sources, including reports of uaps. However, the examination of UAP observations was not the purpose of a tip. I read it a couple times through this video, but for a reason, because they have been so weird about this, about admitting that UFOs or uaps had anything to do with a tip or OS app. Now, this is where I kind of get myself in trouble with some people because they don’t like me saying these two words, which is sweetheart deal. As we know, Harry Reid, who spearheaded getting the funding, which ultimately turned out to be at least $22 million. He spearheaded getting the funding for a longtime friend. There’s no disputing any of that, that Robert Bigelow and harry reid have not only known each other for a long time, but Robert Bigelow has a history of donating to Harry Reid’s past campaigns. Does that play a role in this? I would say yes. is a sweetheart deal accusation completely destroying or dismissing any UFO or UAP data that came out of the program? No. And that’s what people don’t understand with me bringing up sweetheart deal is that that doesn’t negate what they found. But it puts in into proper context to understanding all of this muddy water. So a lot of theories out there have said, Well, once this goes into the private sector, it’s totally off limits. And it’s hiding from the foyer. That drives me nuts because that’s not true. I have a stack of Bigelow Aerospace emails that I obtained through the Freedom of Information Act that disproves that. Of course, there will be elements once things go into the private sector that will remain off limits to FOIA. I’ve never have argued that being fully invisible. That’s, that’s a farce. Because there has to be deliverables there has to be something in return. Take OS app, for example. They had to create those reports. That’s essentially a deliverable. So here, Bigelow Aerospace, here’s $22 million dollars. Bigelow Aerospace says, Okay, here, da, here’s 38 reports. And that’s that that’s a contract. Those are your deliverables. So you’re going to throughout that timeframe have communications, you’re going to have a program manager that is on DEA side. And you’re going to have people in Bigelow Aerospace aside that are the program leads in this case, it would be Dr. Hal put off, or at least that’s what he has said, and nobody’s ever disputed that. Between da and bass, you’re gonna have those communications. Of course, I can’t fly a bass or Bigelow Aerospace, but you can on the DIY side, and you can get those communications. You can foil up any journalists emails, not for any other reason other than you can FOIA an agency and their communications with, let’s say, The New York Times, I have a video on this channel that talks about that. And you can see how those communications take place. Because the moment you write a letter in its public public record, it just is it’s not classified. And it comes up in a government system airgo, subject to the Freedom of Information Act. So that whole allegation that it’s completely off limits, get that out of your mind, because that’s provably false. So a lot of this information, in my opinion will come out eventually, when it comes to communications and what bass was really doing. Where the confusion is, going back to the sweetheart deal thing is it is possible that yes, Harry Reid wanted to do his friend a bit of a of a favor. I’m sorry, but that happens in politics, if anybody doubts that just open the history books, but maybe he wanted to do him a favor and in the same respect, start tackling something that they both had an interest in. As Bigelow Aerospace would get this money, they had the deliverables that they had to follow. Phil, that’s what you see in the 38 reports, many people have noted, wait a minute, there’s a lot of this that doesn’t have anything to do with UFOs. But of course, there’s like a random one about Drake equation, and then another one with human effects on tissue and stuff like that. Those were kind of the wildcards, everything else was exactly what the OS app language was asking for. So getting that money over to Bigelow achieved two things, yes, that sweetheart deal they happen. But in addition, satisfying the curiosity of not only Robert Bigelow who we know has a lifelong interest in this, but Senator Harry Reid as well, who has said numerous times that he has been interested in this topic for a very long time. So fulfill what you can for us app, but take that money, and let’s go investigate UFOs. Because in a broader spectrum, this could have been the Segway for more money and a different contract, essentially, and this is a guess. But it makes sense that Bigelow Aerospace would take that money, fulfill the contract, funnel some of that money into UFO UAP research, or I’m sure werewolves and ghosts, and whatever else people want to claim all SAP was, which, you know, that’s a totally different gripe of mine in itself. I don’t buy it. But let’s say that he decided to do that. The idea then would take that data, especially more so with the UAP stuff, because I can, I can see that a little bit more, go back to the DA and say, Okay, look, in the process of doing OS app, it is possible to learn, features, characteristics, even maybe composition of highly advanced aerospace pieces of technology from these UFO or UAP cases, alien or not, that doesn’t matter anymore. What that would translate to is a potential new contract. That if he was able to convince those that were on the CIA side, hey, look, you know, here’s what you guys wanted with us AP, but we can spiral this out, and we can do something else. That is a possibility. I know that there will be some people that will hate me for posing that. But that makes a lot of things make sense. You have the Pentagon saying? No, it was not UFO UAP investigations. But with this new one where they included UAP reports. That makes sense. It would make sense that that Robert Bigelow would would utilize that from from the money that he got from from Harry Reid. And, of course, there were two other senators Stevens and inouye, who, who spearheaded that also, but it seems like Reid really took an interest in this. So he gets all of that money and starts putting it into. Yes, the contract, but his own personal interest, trying to spiral that out, going back to the Pentagon. That all makes sense. Because if they said they utilized UAP reports, well, he did. Was it a UAP? program? While according to them? No, neither was it to the bid solicitation. No mention of UFOs or uaps, as I said in the beginning of it. So that sweetheart deal. What are the odds that someone like Robert Bigelow, who had this interest in UFOs? What are the odds that he bids on a weapons system applications program gets awarded the the program, and it secretly was worded the way it was, but in the background, it was intended to be a UFO or UAP research program. Right? Like what are the odds that that he would land that? What are the odds that he’s the only bidder? No one else went after that contract. It was only up for a couple weeks posted online accepting applications. Robert Bigelow had created the bass LLC, limited liability corporation in January of that year. And yet the bid solicitation did not go up until I believe it was August of 2008. And it was reported that bass was 100% set up for that contract. Well,
how did he know
in January, unless it was set up? And if it was set up, which, in my opinion, it likely was? If that was set up, then at what point? Did the CIA want UFO or UAP research at all? Was this a spiraling off of the reservation a little bit connecting it to the point where they say okay look, we can use this database from this international organization to look at what people are seeing and the better cases those that maybe even have, physical object to to look at. We can utilize that and we can understand the techniques A little bit more reverse engineering, if you will, and take it, dissect it, learn about it and see what it is, again, alien or not, it’s irrelevant. That was there in to tell the DBA. From an intelligence standpoint, this is why UFOs or uaps matter. If the DA just doesn’t care, they’re going to pull the plug, which is what they did. So apparently nothing came about that missing two years, I think is key to understanding this whole story. And I’ve interviewed Luis Elizondo, we’ve come a long way in the last couple of years of, of communicating with each other. And what I mean by that is, you know, I’m highly skeptical about everything. He was definitely in that category. I’m still skeptical. But I’m also skeptical about everything, Pentagon included. So that’s just who I am. It’s how I operate. That’s why I keep pushing for answers. But that sweetheart deal. Angle is something that isn’t touched. And it should be, it’s not pressed upon, and it should be. And I think it’s supported by documentation, or the lack thereof. Now, why is it that Bigelow Aerospace has been completely mum about this? He only grants interviews that I’ve seen to George Knapp, a KLA s TV in Las Vegas, who happens to be also as we all know, a friend of Senator Harry Reid. So George has great connections to secure those types of interviews. And and kudos to him because a lot of information has come out from them. But you don’t go beyond that. Right? We don’t see him on 60 minutes nowadays being pressed on what happened during a tip and OS app. Why not? And and those are all things that I have really no answer to. I’m also curious to why not a whole lot of people are pressing. The fact that Robert Bigelow got in with move on, started funneling money into them in exchange for the database of sightings. Now, I won’t pretend to know that I know all the ins and outs of that deal. But I know enough to know that when people submitted sightings to move on, I highly doubt that they did so with the expectation that it would wind up with a government contractor and turning over their information, potentially to a US government intelligence agency. Did that happen? Well, Your guess is as good as mine. But it was during the time that that Robert Bigelow was doing OSS app, that he was also funding the move on Star team, and they were going out and collecting this information and seeing what was out there. What were witnesses seeing physical descriptions, characteristics, potentially even,
you know, UFO
debris, if you want to call it that. And and, and learning from that, never knowing or telling most of the people involved, hey, by the way, it’s potentially taxpayer money that’s going towards this. I’d like to know the details of that. I think we all deserve to know the details of that was the $22 million, or a portion thereof, used to essentially get in with move on, take that money that you and I paid for through tax dollars, and start purchasing information on UFOs? Does that negate any results? Of course not. But it all gets put into proper context with context, once we get those particular details? We, we can’t be afraid to ask those questions. I want to know I want to know the relationship between all of these players involved. We know some but we don’t know all. And when pressed, it seems like some people may get a little uncomfortable and they don’t want to talk about it. So I’m not going to point fingers with that. But I hope some of you pay a little bit of attention on when people are being interviewed. And they start talking about the connections between X, Y and Z how some of these key players are connected. You can see some people get very uncomfortable. And I find that incredibly telling. One of the other things about this whole issue is trying to connect again more of the paranormal stuff less about the UAP. But more of the paranormal stuff with all SAP and that whole accusation that they were doing the skinwalker Ranch stuff. Where I again lean towards a sweetheart deal that Robert Bigelow was going away from what DEA actually wanted, is the fact that none of that would fit into the CIA’s mission purview at all. They’re an intelligence agency and an intelligence arm of the Department of Defense if you’re not aware, this is a quote from their essentially mission statement online. At DEA we provide military intelligence to warfighters defense policymakers and force planners and the Department of Defense and the intelligence community in support of US military Planning and operations and weapon systems acquisition. We plan, manage and execute intelligence operations during peacetime crisis. And more. You can see where potentially UFO information would be maybe valuable. But yet, that’s wasn’t really what was going on at the CIA. The rumor the allegation was it was more of the paranormal stuff through us app, the UAP stuff then according to Luis Elizondo was essentially branched off into what ultimately became a tip. It was a separate program, and it went to OSD. Okay, so even though I can see a connection with UFOs, and uaps, with DEA maybe. And obviously, they have a lot of documents that I’ve talked about on this channel before. That’s not what the story is. The story is, they were at skinwalker Ranch, doing research on cryptozoology creatures and stuff like that, that that’s the story. And I don’t buy it. I just don’t, if you were to take out the dye and put in the FBI. Okay, maybe if they were investigating crimes on domestic soil, that would be the FBI is jurisdiction, and that would fit into their mission purview. But the DEA doesn’t have an interest on US soil, of what what’s going on like that. They don’t care if there’s a werewolf running around in Utah. That’s not their mission. That would be something else that would be another government agency. And that’s proven with history. You look back, you look at government documents, you can fit the intelligence reason on why they were researching, let’s say, Mind Control, with the CIA, that was an offensive maneuver. That was something that they wanted to utilize against captured Soviet agents, and so on and so forth. You can see that you can see why the Defense Intelligence Agency going back to them would would research remote viewing, and why they would want that for an intelligence standpoint for planning. So you can see the connection between all of that. Interestingly, the head, you know, one of the main people involved with
the remote viewing in the Stargate program was Dr. Hal put off. So it’s a very small, tight niche world that we live in here when we talk about these types of programs. But I digress. So the difa that made sense fringe, totally fringe, something out of the box, but fits into the purview, cryptozoology, skinwalker Ranch stories and lore legends and stuff like that. I don’t see it. So that’s why I’ve had this huge problem with really kind of understanding what all these different stories mean, because there are so many contradictions and things that don’t make sense. When you put it back to the do D with Luis Elizondo that makes sense. The question mark is, why is the Pentagon doing this? If they are 100%, lying across the board about Luis Elizondo, and a tip not having UAP investigations, but sure they utilized UAP reports. Let’s just assume for a moment that they are 100% lying, which isn’t far stretch, but regardless, let’s say that’s all a lie. What’s the end game? Why don’t they just leave it alone? And yet they haven’t. A lot of people are very excited about the UAP Task Force. And the the report the you know, the coming report here in June, which I think is going to be late. But regardless, everybody’s so excited that that something is going to come out of that. My question is, is why? Now we have the Inspector General investigation. Some people think that that will reveal a lot, yet the Department of Defense and I am a witness to this. The Department of Defense is still sending out these types of statements, not only the one that I’m talking about, but even the one that took their shot at Luis Elizondo, so to speak, and attacked his credibility, they are still giving that out even after the Inspector General announced their investigation. Now, why do I point that out? Because of the AIG had any kind of concern? over these types of statements? I would imagine that the DOJ would be essentially ordered to say, look, stop giving out statements. We need to evaluate what you guys are doing. That makes sense. If the AIG is doing an investigation, yet, that apparently hasn’t happened. There was a rumor online that I even saw that Susan golf got fired. She didn’t By the way, I’m not saying that. I’d obviously talked to her yesterday. But regardless, like that’s the type of stuff that gets put out to the internet. And people really glom on to it and they want to hear that Susan Gough, you know, the the evil character in the saga was was sacked, you know, and somebody else is coming in. But in reality, that’s not true. The AIG announced their investigation yet the DOJ is still moving forward with putting out this information on a tip as early as yesterday. And they are still giving out the information about Luis Elizondo, and that also is a fact in the last week. So there’s this crazy agenda here. But to what end, is the intent to create this massive amount of confusion and and i don’t pretend to have the answer to that. But it is something that I think is is worth pursuing and continuing to ask these questions. Because I don’t I’m not taking aside in this battle, but I am intrigued by that motivation. One other thing that came up was recently that kind of plays into this statement with with the Pentagon is Luis Elizondo was asked by my friend and colleague Steven Greenstreet over at the New York Post. Very cool guy if you don’t follow him on on social media, he’s very active, works for the New York Post and he hosts the show called The basement office. You’ll see Nick Pope on there a lot as well. But Stephen is the the host of that. He’s the he did a sit down with Luis Elizondo and asked him about essentially the Pentagon saying no assigned responsibilities on a tip. They are standing by that they have not faltered from that, that viewpoint, they haven’t changed. So Steven asked, Luis Elizondo that this was his response. There are some people in the Pentagon that still don’t like me very much. I think they’re pissed at me for the way I left. They’re now trying to thread the needle saying he had no assigned responsibilities with a tip. I had no assigned responsibilities because I was working get mo for the Department of Defense, these assigned duties exploring the reality of UFOs. Were coming from the legislative branch.
This is one of the first time I think maybe the only time but the first time that I’ve seen Luis Elizondo say that his orders were from the legislative branch. I’ll be honest with you and say, I had no idea the legislative branch could give a do DEA Special Agent orders. And we know that you know, the legislative branch is going to include the Senate and the senate at this time obviously included Harry Reid. We know Harry Reid has gone to bat for Luis Elizondo with his own letterhead and stating this this was kind of a reissued statement he had told George Knapp a year or two ago that he said Luis Elizondo headed the program. He now put it official this was for gadi Schwartz, and his reporting at NBC. And this was put on online as well to support Luis Elizondo. And essentially he said, as one of the original sponsors of a tip, I can state as a matter of record, Lou Elizondo his involvement and leadership role in the program. So he’s negating the Pentagon. Pentagon hasn’t changed their stance on it. And I do know that they have this letter. I do know that they have commented after, and that this hasn’t changed anything. So it goes back to that question, What in the world is going on? And I, I will probably go to my grave trying to pursue it. Because at this point, I’m so invested in it, because it’s a big riddle, and a puzzle. Because when you start digging in, you have to dig in at every little detail and every little, you know, nook and cranny of this, you can’t just blanket statement, anything you can’t blanket conclude meaning there really isn’t one conclusion, there’s not one answer, you have to drill into every little bit. And you can start drilling into Harry Reid and start asking quite a few questions also. Because that letter where he’s talking with authority on a tip, and he knows Luis Elizondo, and so on and so forth. That kind of goes against what he has said in the past. And what he said in the past was about being briefed on the program that he never was. He never understood what they were we’re never was briefed to fully understand what they were going through New York Magazine and asked him in 2018. Were you ever briefed on it in Harry Reid’s own words? He said, No, I left everybody alone. Nope. is what he said. And so the the journalists who wrote that followed up again, you were never briefed, not once, and and read responded, that’s not my style. Nope. So he knows a lot about a program that he wasn’t essentially briefed on. So why would giving orders. Now I’m assuming that it was Senator Harry Reid. But who else would? Who else was pointing the fingers and ordering Lewis Elizondo around? Right? And that doesn’t make that doesn’t make sense. It would be anybody else. I mean, we can see a clear, not only interest, but involvement from the inception of it to whenever he got involved and started giving orders to OSD. So again, I fall back on that surprise that I had no idea the legislative branch could dictate orders to a DOJ Special Agent, who was also working get Mo. So there’s a lot of weirdness there. But why was he calling the shots or at least creating, you know, the shots for him to to pursue? If he was never briefed on the program? How would he know? So those types of things when you start drilling down are so weird, it doesn’t really make sense. Another thing that came out in this interview that I really have been confused about for for two and a half years. This is what Harry Reid said, let me give you something that the press has totally failed, and conjured. We have hundreds and hundreds of papers, pages of paper that have been available since this was completed. Most all of it 80%, at least is public. You know, something? The press has never even looked at it Not once. And then he goes on from there. 80% of a tip related material, he says is public. But where is it? It’s 2021. So he’s been been saying that the majority of a tip is all on classified and public, yet has never produced anything. I have reached out to Harry Reid’s office multiple times in the last quite a few months, if not a year plus trying to get answers never once have received over sponsor callback. So for whatever reason, I call this mud. Because if you say 80% about a program is is public, there’s no reason that the Pentagon could not get their story straight on something. If we were talking about the next generation, stealth fighter,
sure, I can understand how things will get money, you’re talking about highly classified secrets, going into the private sector with programs that were probably authorized with black money, so on and so forth. But that’s not what this is. All for all the evidence put together. There’s a lot of stuff that’s very public about this, all SAP was always posted online. So you you have those very public elements. So I would believe this statement. But nobody’s ever produced anything. So what I would recommend to you guys is continue asking questions, I will hopefully have a story coming out very soon. That will be very interesting. We’ll put it and leave it at that. But it will add to this narrative that there is something weird going on. There is something about this program, whatever it might be, that they don’t want to talk about. The God is not afraid to say uaps to say they have a taskforce to say that they are investigating them to say that they’ve investigated him in the past. But what is their problem about a tip? Why is it so secretive? What is their problem with Luis Elizondo? Why is that so muddy? So it doesn’t matter what side of the fence you fit on? I know some people hate me for bringing up the questions. But you got to ask the questions. Because the answers that are coming out, it’s creating a much bigger picture, something that we haven’t fully grasped or understood yet. That is what’s going on and unfolding with these questions. And I think that the story that that I will push out to you guys pretty quick, will also add that there are some very interesting elements that have yet to unfold. And I’m excited to bring it to you. So I hope that wasn’t too long winded for you. But I hope you guys got a little bit of a background on not only the new statement, but obviously some of that supporting evidence and the material that’s been around for the last couple of years. But as I can attest to sometimes it’s largely forgotten about until we make a video like this and kind of refresh all of our memories about it. So until next time, I look forward to the next time the Pentagon wants to throw their own bucket of mud sludge into the water. But I will do my best to try and make sense of it. I am always thrilled to see your comments whether good or bad, just be nice. And I’ll be nice back to you. Put them back down there if you’re watching on YouTube. And of course, a big big thumbs up is what I aim for. Make sure you’re subscribed to the channel. And the biggest help of all is sharing the content if you find it valuable. I know sometimes it’s long and it’s a lot of information. But if you find it valuable sharing it is the biggest help to me and for those who are interested into pitching in To support the site I have a Patreon as well, that also is in a link below. That being said, this is john Greenewald, Jr. Signing off, and we’ll see you next time.
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