Mr. Luis Elizondo Contacts Commander David Fravor, Pilot who Engaged 2004 USS Nimitz “Tic-Tac,” for the First Time

Circa September 2017

Source: Commander David Fravor, The Fighter Pilot Podcast, January 2, 2019. Relevant portion of the interview:

“I had got a call from the other pilot and they said, ‘Hey, have you been talked to about the Tic Tac lately?’ And I said, ‘No.’ They said, ‘Well…you know, I’ve been asked to go to the Pentagon like five times.’ You know, and they said, ‘Well you had, you know, the most ACM’ cause I was actually the one that engaged it. And I said, ‘Well, just give ’em my name and I’ll talk to them.’ So that was Lue Elizondo, who was running the AATIP program at the Pentagon. So he had called me up and said, ‘Hey, we’re gonna come up and talk to you.’ I said, ‘Great. No problem.’ And, umm, I didn’t think much of it. I’m like, yeah, I’ll tell you what you got.  So about, um, I don’t know, probably a month later I had gotten information on the, “To The Stars” that was coming out with Tom DeLonge and I’m watching this clip that guy had sent me and Lue’s on it. So I call Lue. I go, ‘What’s going on?’ He goes, ‘I left the Pentagon.’ I said, well he goes, ‘We’ll be there like this weekend to talk to you.’ I said okay.

“So they came up here and talked to me about the whole incident and he told me what was going on. And, and, he actually explained why he had left the Pentagon. He was a little bit frustrated with basically the bureaucracy that he was having to deal with. And what he thought was very important. So, he called me up about a month later and said, ‘Hey, we want to do this article with the New York Times. Will you do it?’ And I said, ‘No.’ I actually said, ‘No, I’m not doing that.’ And he said, ‘No, no, seriously, dude we really need you to do this.’ I said, ‘Why do you need me to do this?’

Problem: This a major point that needs to be clarified. Following Mr. Elizondo’s version of the timeline, he had worked on AATIP for 10 years at this point (as stated to Chase Kloetzke interview with the MUFON Journal  – see above timeline point). In the course of 10 years, while working on a program looking at UAPs/UFOs, I would imagine that the Nimitz encounter would undoubtedly be a major case for study in such a program. Why would Cmdr. Fravor (the actual pilot who engaged the “tic-tac”) not be contacted once, by anyone in the AATIP, until September of 2017?  In addition, why would Mr. Elizondo care more about getting him into a NY Times piece (which also publicized the TTSA efforts), rather than inserting the actual pilot’s engagement into any AATIP related report, ever, in the entire history of AATIP? Mr. Elizondo specifically told Cmdr. Fravor his input would do nothing but help credibility in the NY Times article. If that is true – why would he not want Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony somewhere in AATIP?  If you omit evidence like that from AATIP, it may shed light on why the upper echelon of the DOD, along with the DIA, found no value to keep the program running, if you believe the official line. 

In addition, Cmdr. Fravor detailed a journalist finding him and his wife eating at a coffee shop.

“I had a guy, literally, The Boston Herald guy track me down on Sunday and found me in a coffee shop on the north end with my wife and daughter.” … snip … “It is amazing because, you know, I’m not, it’s not like I’m publicizing this. I’ve actually tried to hide from a lot of people. And, uh, they find you. Now it makes it easy because there’s not a lot of David Fravors running around the United States. I won’t say how many but it’s very few. I asked the girl. I said, ‘How did you find me?’ And she goes, ‘Oh, it wasn’t hard. We have this database we can go to.’”

Problem: Certainly, given the capability of this journalist to find Cmdr. Fravor at a coffee shop; counter-intelligence agent, and active DOD personnel officer, Mr. Luis Elizondo could have tracked him down, given the resources he had access to in the 10 years of his involvement with AATIP. It should be clarified why Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony only became important after a decade of being involved in AATIP. (I will be fair and note Cmdr. Fravor stated another pilot was spoken to 5 times at the Pentagon – but we have no timeframe that I know of. Meaning, was in 5 times over the course of a week, a month, six years? But the point stands on why the pilot who actually engaged the object, was never contacted a single time.)

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