Dr. Travis Taylor: Ah! ... Everybody all right?
John Greenewald: For more than a decade. You've seen him on some
of cable televisions most popular shows, including ancient
aliens, and the secret of Skinwalker Ranch. You may have
even read one of his more than two dozen books published since
2004. But what you may not know is behind the scenes, Dr. Travis
Taylor has had another job entirely. He has been working on
highly classified programs as a senior scientist for the US Army
Space and Missile Defense Command. And as a contractor
supporting NASA, the Department of Defense and the intelligence
community. Dr. Taylor has worked on many highly advanced
technologies,
Dr. Travis Taylor: we will have teleportation, we will have the
magic inventory, we will have the the X ray hack, we will have
XYZ will have Ironman suit, whatever.
John Greenewald: But earlier this year, it was also revealed
that he worked as the Senior Scientist for the Pentagon's UAP
Task Force investigating UFOs that revelation surprised many
people, including those who he was working with side by side on
a daily basis.
Dr. Travis Taylor: So it was a it was a bit of a shock to find
out that, you know, we had you had kind of we're wearing two
hats. As far as that goes, I just will not wait interrupt,
but I you know, I see it from a different perspective in that I
was giving you guys back cover, Jay Stratton told me was that if
we find anybody doing anything illegal if we find these men in
black, that we're taking them down, you know, because they're
doing it something that's not supposed to be happening.
John Greenewald: Today, Dr. Taylor steps into the vault to
discuss his long career, his recent move to the private
sector. And hopefully, he will reveal some tidbits about his
UFO investigations that he conducted for the US government.
Stay tuned, you're about to journey inside the black vault.
That's right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for
tuning in. And taking this journey inside the black vault
with me. I'm your host, John Greenewald, Jr, founder and
creator of the black vault.com. And to say that I'm excited
about this show would be an understatement. I'm not going to
waste any time. I want to bring them right on. And welcome Dr.
Travis Taylor. Dr. Taylor, thank you so much for taking some time
and joining me here. Thanks, John. Thanks for having me.
Absolutely. And I've been excited to do this show ever
since I learned that it was reported by George Knapp, for
those who aren't aware that you worked as the Chief Scientist
for the UAP task force. Now my I know, you know, this, Dr.
Taylor, but for the audience. We first met in brief about six,
seven plus years ago, I was producing a show well before any
UFO Task Force or even Skinwalker Ranch. And my
executives came to me and they said, Hey, you have to get this
guy on the show. And I was working on the show about aliens
attacking Earth. And they said, This is the guy and they brought
up you. And I was so sad. Because you were shooting, I
forget what show you were on. There were so many that you were
currently working on. But we we didn't get to do that interview.
And so here we are X amount of years later. And I really do
appreciate you taking the time in a completely different
context of what was how we originally met. So again, thank
you for that. Before we get into all your UAP taskforce work and
so on. Can you set the stage for me for the audience of who is
Dr. Travis Taylor, what do you do for the US government? And as
we saw in the introduction, contracting for NASA, DOD IC
work, what exactly do you do?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Yeah, so a lot of people kind of have a mis
perception as to, you know, why I was on the task force and you
know, what my background is and so on. I've seen a lot of sort
of memes out there like an alien Ancient Aliens guy was on the
UAP Task Force. What that had nothing to do with me being on
the task force, honestly. You know, when I was in high school,
a million years ago, I won the Uh, Alabama State science paper
competition. And the first prize of that, that contest was a
summer internship with the US Army. And this was in 1986.
That's how old I am. So I went on to win six in the nation. And
with that paper, I built a radio telescope and picked up radio
waves from black holes and stuff. And, and anyway, so the
summer job I had that year with the army was to work on high
energy, laser weapons system, design and do laboratory
research with lasers. And the boss there liked me enough that
he said, Hey, man, go to school and, and come work for us every
other we're a quarters back then every other quarter. And we'll
pay your way through school. And so sounds like a great deal,
right? So the army paid me a salary, they paid my tuition and
bought books for me. And, and I would go to engineering and
physics school, one, one quarter, the next quarter, I
would work. And I did that for five years until I graduated,
and they hired me full time. And I started going to graduate
school full time. during all that time, I was working on
laser weapons systems and high tech physics and engineering
concepts. And I ended up getting a master's in a bachelor's in
electrical engineering, a master's in physics and a PhD.
And it was a dual degree in physics and electrical
engineering called optical science and engineering, which
was quantum physics and laser laser physics. And then I did a
master's degree in aerospace engineering, and a master's
degree in astronomy. And then I have another PhD in aerospace
engineering. And, and during all that time, I was either working
for the army on D weapon systems, or I moved into doing
more space deployment concepts, satellites, space, laser based
space, propulsion, space, energy beaming. And then I went into
the private sector for about eight years, and was and worked
almost, I would say, 50%, NASA and 50% intelligence community,
it was all space based hard problems, stuff, coming up with
magic sensors that would detect things that were really hard to
detect, and, and edit and all this time, never found this
program about UFOs or anything. But now in two, and this is this
is key, in 2002. About six months after 911, a mentor of
mine in the intelligence community, Dr. Bob bone, and I
were in a meeting with a three letter organization, about
finding solutions to the asymmetric war that we were in
with you in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hard
problems that we were seeing there. And I made the joke in
the meeting there, there was a general and some colonels and
much other folks in this room, senior leaders in the
intelligence community, I started laughing and said, cuz
this one general said, Well, we're gonna have to put
ourselves in their shoes and walk them out in their shoes.
And I said, I laughed, and he said, What are you laughing
about as well? Our poor people have X boxes and two TVs, you
know, it, there's, there's no way we're gonna be able to even
fathom walking a mile in their shoes. Most of these people
don't even have shoes. So the only time America is gonna find
itself in an asymmetric war is if we were invaded by aliens.
And I was, you know, being absurd, you know, to make the
point. Well, a few minutes later, we were at the
watercooler to break and one of these ice senior leader guys
came up and said, What would we do if we were invaded by aliens?
And I said, Well, I'm I don't know, we'd probably die is what
I've what I've guessed. And so me and Dr. Bone, talking about
it. And we said, hey, let's go find out. And at the time, we
had no high clearances and stuff. We looked everywhere and
couldn't find any plans, any protocols. So he said, Well,
somebody needs to do this. So we wrote the book. At the time, the
first draft, it was called Introduction to planetary
defense, the latest version, it's called alien invasion.
Well, that's the book that you found, I think, on the internet
that led you to give me a call to be on the universe or
whatever the show was. Yeah. And so that's kind of key in this
pathway that led me there. And
John Greenewald: just for clarity, was the book for the
government slash military? Or was this a book that you
published outside? We
Dr. Travis Taylor: decided since it didn't exist, that it needed
to exist? And we asked our bosses within the three letter
organizations, and they said, Yeah, we can't fund you to do
it, but we'd really like to see it. And so I went and found my.
And at the time, my first science fiction novel had just
come out. And so I asked my book publisher if she'd be interested
in it. And she was like, Yeah, let's do it. And so we went
forward with the book. And now moving forward. You know, we
started doing these TV shows as mainly, the TV show thing wasn't
because I wanted to be on TV as a, you know, get to be on TV
guy, it was to get the, the science tech, technology,
engineering mathematics needs sort of in edutainment, so to
speak, to get it across to the public that we need more people
doing this kind of stuff. And it's not undoable, like people
think it is, you know, like on rocket CT rednecks, we built
that Iron Man suit at a junkyard car parts, you know, and I could
curl a keg of beer with one hand. And that was $2,000 in
crap. So, you know, if we actually had an Iron Man suit
program, we, you know, we could probably do it. And that was my
point was to educate people and things like this. And so, at any
rate, move forward. And I end up on getting invited to come be on
the Skinwalker, secret Skinwalker Ranch investigation
team. And after the first few weeks, I'm there I'm measuring
these electromagnetic signals that scare me, because they
remind me of what I thought might be some of our near peers
doing something nefarious. And so I had a day job, you know,
still working with the army. And I had security reporting
requirements, that if I thought someone was doing counter
intelligence inside the United States that I'm by oath,
required to report it to security. So I went for it, I
went back to work and reported that I measured some signals,
and I was concerned could be near peers doing something
nefarious. And I was called up to the Pentagon to brief some
folks go into a room and I brief these guys and, and after a
minute, then I had, you know, one other guy with me, that was
from the first season of Skinwalker. And then Scott comes
in and says, ask everybody else to leave the room. But me. And
then these two guys walk in, and one of them's got a copy of my
alien invasion book in his hand with post it notes all in it.
And I find out a few minutes later that this is this guy's
name, John J. Stratton. And that He is the chief, he's the
director of the UAP Task Force. And this was in 2019. And he
said, he asked me to brief him again, I went through
everything, all the all the data and everything and, and I had a
security clearance. So he opened up a portfolio, start showing me
some data and said, What do you think about this? And we talked
for a little bit, and at the end of the conversation, he says,
how'd you like to come on board and be the chief scientist for
me? And I was like, Yeah, Sign me up. And so that's how it all
kind of rolled together. And it had nothing to do other than it
put me in the right position at its own Skinwalker Ranch to make
those measurements and nothing to do with being on TV. That got
me on there. It what it had to do was, Jay had been doing this
job for 20 or 15 years or something. And, and he, you
know, through all SAP, and then a tip, and his job was oh, and I
and whatever. And he wanted a chief scientist that he could
take with him to talk to Congress to talk to the White
House. And to help him plan. Most of our work was done
planning, if we got budget, what we would do with it, and then go
into Congress and say, and here's why we need it. And what
we would do, and about the other half of our work was in looking
at data we had and seeing and reverse engineering as best we
could of what it was in the data. So that's that's kind of
in a nutshell, how I got there.
John Greenewald: Let me ask you, is there a connection between
Skinwalker Ranch itself and the task force so 2019 to you know,
and beyond so not prior we'll get to that but, but from when
you met Jay Stratton in 2019, after and you're at Skinwalker
Ranch and obviously collecting data for use within the task
force. Did Skinwalker Ranch become a subject of that task
force?
Dr. Travis Taylor: No, it did not and I want to be very clear
about about that. You know, a lot of people are thinking I was
spying on on him for the government or reporting back and
you know, dragon had the biggest problem with that thinking that
that's what I was doing. If you know, dude, that's illegal. You
cannot spy than the intelligence community cannot spy on the
United States and on its citizens, the only only only
intelligence organization that has authority to do this the
FBI. And you know, probably some DHS caveats there. But but the
FBI is the one with the mandate for internal investigation of
United States, and they gotta have warrants and stuff to go on
private property or permission, and absolutely not. Now, what I,
what I did have was insight that if I thought, hey, you know,
I've seen this before, or an F 18 saw this, or a radar saw
this, maybe I need to be looking at this frequency spectrum or
this type of sensor or something, when I'm out there.
And the other thing was, if nefarious folks came up, I had a
direct guy on my phone, I could call the local FBI special agent
who was you know, 10 to 30 minutes away. And I could have
an FBI agent they're looking for if I thought there was somebody
black bagging us or there was a truck parked off the property
eavesdropping, or flying drones or something like that. That was
the only you know, asset or possibility of there being an
interaction, but there was not. And, you know, if I found
something, keep in mind, I was under nondisclosure agreements
with the TV guys, and with Brandon fugal, who owns the
ranch. And so I couldn't report back that unless it was in a
government setting or the government treated anything is
intellectual property of the brand and fugal Advantium, LLC,
or whatever it's called, I forget the name of this guy.
Yeah. And so it was it was a, it was a tight rope trick and to be
John Greenewald: careful what it seemed like such a genuine
moment, and the clip that I played in the introduction to
see the guys kind of react to learning that you had this, I
think he called it a double hat. And again, it was like genuine
is really the only word I can think of, because your reaction
to it was equally as genuine trying to explain that, that
type rope. And in that explanation you had brought up
men and black. And that kind of piqued my interest a little bit
that you and Jay, were using that that phrase together? Can
you explain that a little bit on what you meant by by men and
black? I know you just said a little bit by watching if you
saw cars parked or something like that, but what do you mean
by that? Is that like, an adversary spying on you? Is that
a government? Another government agency spying on you? What did
you mean by men and black? Yeah, so
Dr. Travis Taylor: what I meant by the Men in Black
specifically, is there's so much conspiracy theory stuff out
there about this secret shadow government organization, and
these men in black suits coming up and threatening people, they
can't ever say anything, and they're gonna kill him or
whatever, and all that stuff. And so Jay, and I were like, you
know, we hope they come to the door, because we want to know
who these people are, because they're operating outside of
constitutional authority. And if they do, then that's why we had
FBI on call. And he had, he was at, you know, Jay was a senior
leader in the Navy. And he had, you know, Navy NCIS guys on call
that, you know, something happened, we could put law
enforcement into play. And we were hoping that if there was
this, or is or I'm not saying we never found them in in black,
let me clarify that right now. But if they were there, we were
hoping they would, you know, show up and we'd see what was
going on. But I'm not saying they're not there. I'm just
saying that we never found right. And I don't know any,
anything more than anybody else about that, really, except that
from our interaction within the task force, we never saw them.
John Greenewald: Before I get to the chief site, because I want
to take you back to the Chief Scientist role and exactly
exactly what you did with Jay. But one last question on all of
that, if I may, it seems like going into this. And this is
credit to you, that you had kind of the the data collecting
mission to what you were doing. But also it kind of and correct
me if I'm wrong, but like this myth busting, mission between
you and Jay, whether it be this men and black kind of issue that
you've heard about before, but also you had mentioned a couple
minutes ago, about being highly cleared with all the work that
you did, and started looking around for UFO slash alien
extraterrestrial type programs, or anything like this and didn't
find any. What does that tell you? Do you think that you were
cleared enough to find those deep dark secret programs should
they exist? And if you feel you were that cleared? Does it say
something that you didn't find it?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Yeah. So the National Defense Authorization
Act, gave us the authority to go ask any service or agency in the
federal government and ask them if they have a program and for
them to tell us if this was them or not. And they And they always
came back and said, This is not us. And so, as far as I can
tell, there was no program. But now, there is a possibility that
there were Special Access Programs that had an NDA that
was so tight that they were they could have been afraid to
discuss with anybody that didn't have that particular clearance.
And the person who created that caveats, dad, so no new people
will ever have that clearance. It's a very Raiders, the Lost
Ark Ark of the Covenant in a lost warehouse kind of problem.
And so that's what the whistleblower clause in the new
NDA was all about. It's not about, you know, that we're,
somebody's going to come tattle on somebody for doing something
because they've been breaking the law, it's most likely that
there might have been if there was, I don't know that there was
a legacy program. That's what we call them legacy programs that
had a classification that doesn't exist anymore. And the
people who had the classification authority to
create that they or give you the clearance to go into that
program doesn't exist anymore. They're dead, right? Are They're
long retired, nobody knows who it was. And so these people may
have been read into these programs and worked on them. But
they can't tell anybody, there's no way there's no legal
mechanism for them to tell anybody because then they'll
violate their their NDA, and they go to jail for a long time
for doing that. And so that's what this new clause in the NDAA
for 23 is supposed to be, is that it gives a protection to
people who can come forward now that may have had those
clearances, but didn't know how to carry it forward. Think about
there's more many reasons for more than just us knowing if
there is some information that was important in those
classification programs, I'm sorry, if they existed, I don't
know they existed. If they existed, you don't want to lose
that information. Right, we need to have a way to, to capture it,
store it maybe putting in a new classification, under a new
program or something so that people that are alive and will
live for a while will be able to know that it's there. And even
if it needs to remain classified, there's a method
methodology or a place to keep it. And if it doesn't need to
still be classified, then there needs to be a method for
releasing that information as well. And I'm sure you just gave
me plenty of buzzwords put in your next for you. That yeah,
no, no,
John Greenewald: I, I'm frantically taking notes as we
go here.
Dr. Travis Taylor: I don't have to deal with them anymore, John,
John Greenewald: with, with everything that you just said
and your past and looking into this, I want to ask your quick
thoughts on the people that have come out the whistleblowers that
talk about these highly what would be highly classified
issues, and you have a clearance I do not. Nor have I ever but
I've been around the block enough to know that sometimes
the mere idea of something is in of itself, a classified in
nature thing to talk about. So, you know, it's it's a hard thing
to kind of explain. But I finally got something in writing
from the DIA recently, which I posted that that pretty much
puts in black and white, that concept that the idea of
something or the existence of something, even though they're
not showing you the blueprints, the existence of something, in
and of itself can actually be classified. So they give a
Glomar. So my question is, with all these people that have come
forward, whether it be Bob Lazar, or others that have been
posted in the New York Times, I've talked about Dr. Eric Davis
talking about offworld vehicles and, and stuff like that. All of
that, in my mind would be highly classified in nature, yet
nothing happens to those to those whistleblowers that are
talking about what would likely be highly classified. Can I ask
your thoughts on that? Do you believe there is weight to what
the stories are being printed about Bob Lazar, Dr. Eric Davis,
and so on, or do you have an issue with that?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Well, I I have an issue with the whole Bob
Lazar story. I think George Knapp is an amazing, you know,
investigative journalist and mammon. Jeremy Corbyn, what
they've done is amazing. But I think there's more to the Bob
Lazar story than they understand our know and are willing to
accept, I don't know the right way to say it. And I don't mean
any disrespect to Georgia. Georgia is wonderful. What I
mean by that is, perhaps there was something more going on, if
Bob Lazar really was there, and then he understood what he was
being exposed to. Right. My biggest concern with all this,
how do you have a master's degree from, you know, one of
the most prestigious schools and on the west coast in physics,
and you didn't keep a copy of your diploma are, you know,
physics departments are small, he would have remembered a
physics professor he took for e&m to, or quantum or mechanics,
or stat MC, or you name the course. And that professor, one
of those professors would still be alive who could say, oh,
yeah, Bob was in my class. But you know, there's no evidence
that he can point to that even has a master's degree in
physics, other than Him saying some physics see words. And then
that, you know, there's the phone book in his in his W two
form, or whatever it was, or 1099, for you or for him, it was
he said, they got paid from there. Maybe he was maybe he did
do some laboratory work there. But I just, I have a real hard
time with the credibility of that story. Not saying it didn't
happen, but I just have a hard time with it. Now, on the other
hand, Well, Eric, I know Eric, very well, Eric is Eric is a
super genius. He's brilliant. And he's been exposed to
something he spends a lot of time at Skinwalker Ranch. Now,
before I went to Skinwalker Ranch myself, I thought most of
the stuff he said was crazy. But I can tell you, I will tell you
this, Eric has a tendency to accept and believe stories from
pseudo credible because of where they come from, then he
accidentally assumes what they're telling him as a
credible story without getting the back background data to
prove their story. Like if I told Eric, that, you know, there
were aliens on the moon, Eric will probably believe me. Right.
And I don't mean that as a discredit to Eric, Eric is a
he's trustworthy, very, very trustworthy of people that he
trusts. So I think what Eric needs to do is, is find a better
way to show proof than simply the stories. That's why I don't
like to get into, you know, the story, you know, I'll tell
sometimes some of the stories of things that happen, even they
sound crazy, but then I'll say, sounds crazy. And I can't prove
it to you. Because I don't have any sensor data or anything, say
it really happened. So I don't expect you to believe it. And so
unless I have the data, and that's what I want to focus on,
is we have data and all sorts of data of UAP UFO phenomena, that
is hard science measurement data that can't be refuted, that
needs to be investigated much, much further and much in much
more detail. Does that answer your question? Does that help
you?
John Greenewald: Yes, it does. And I want to get into that data
right now. But before I do I know, I will get a ton of hate
mail. If I don't ask you this question. I don't want to spend
a lot of time on it. But since we brought him up, and we're
talking about Dr. Eric Davis, you're familiar with the Wilson
Davis notes? Yeah. depict real events or not, what is your
opinion?
Dr. Travis Taylor: I don't I don't want to say that they did
or didn't happen? Because I don't know. They seem fantastic.
Right. But there's the notes aren't scientific evidence.
They're just data. And so it's, that's the problem with a lot of
the whistleblower testimony is there's not going to be a
smoking gun box somewhere that we can go point to and say,
Here's the evidence that backs up my story. And we really got
to be able to find a pathway to that warehouse where the Ark of
the Covenant is, right. I mean, that's kind of the hard problem
that we're in.
John Greenewald: And let's go back now to the data that you
were talking about, when you're talking about the hardcore data
that just really hasn't been, I'm not putting words in your
mouth. But I think you said like adequately explained or
addressed. Is that from your work as as, as chief scientist
in the UAP Task Force or prior?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Um, I'd say it's from my work period. Okay.
So, yeah, so of all time, there's a lot of hard scientific
measurement data that we take in a Skinwalker Ranch, there was a
lot of there was so much data that we had at the task force, I
couldn't even look at all of it. And the worst part about it,
just to be honest, John, and there's a lot of people saying,
you know, we were incompetent, we couldn't do this or that. But
you know, I joined the task force in 2019 in like May, June,
something like that. And and then guess what happened about
six months later, the world shut down, because the COVID and the
in the DoD shut down, shut down travel unless it was like a, you
know, a shooting mission requirements. And I mean,
literally, like if it wasn't in some extreme Operational
Requirement, there was no travel. And so it the problem
with most of the data that we got on the task force was they
came from sensors on different military systems and each one of
those had different classification. Some of them
were Special Access Programs, some of them were T SSDI. Some
of them were this, that and the other thing, and you can't put
that data on the same computer systems. So there were times So
Jay and I had a way for me here in Alabama to go into a skiff
that had a video conferencing system. And and J had one in his
office. And a lot of times, he would get one of those other
computers, and play the video on a different screen and point the
camera at it. So I can look at it just to witness. And that was
the best we could do during COVID. Now, he could send me
hard copies of things in print or screen captures and that
stuff. And, and that's that's the way we did the analysis
during COVID. And keep in mind, they only let me go in the
building one day a week, during during for two years affected
him. So COVID Put a big damper on what we were doing. And but
we did have a lot of data. And when we said I said in the final
report that we released, that there was 143 that we couldn't
explain out of 144. And that's not made up. I mean, we had
either, you know, like radar or EOIR sensor captures images,
video, we most of them were backed up with a pilot or a
WIZO. Say, and they saw it or they saw at least the date on
thing. They took a picture of their cell phone or something
like that. And and so that may have been all we had. And when
if that's all you've got, I mean, what's your next step? Our
next steps were we told Congress, we needed this much
money to go do these experiments and try and get more detailed,
hard data. So the the hypsi and the CDC did put into the law
that there should be budget. But the Appropriations Committee
never appropriated the funds. We always worked 100% on existing
funds on loan from our parent organization like the army
loaned me to Jay during that timeframe and still paid my
salary and complained about it the whole time. Because I wasn't
bringing in the other money that I was supposed to be getting to
pay for my salary. Because it was never appropriate. And so
there were a lot of issues as to why a lot of things, there
wasn't more guts to the report that was laced. And it was there
was much more to it than that. But that was what was, you know,
filtered down for the general public
John Greenewald: drilling and even deeper to you to Dr.
Taylor, what was the most convincing data that you were
seeing that made you realize, oh, my gosh, we have to get more
funding? We have to look at this what were what was it visual?
Was it was a testimony what what was it Data Wise, that was
telling you there's something to this?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Well, it was it was two things actually, they
were sort of they were parallel pads, I was seeing the same
things at Skinwalker Ranch and making detailed measurements
with multiple sensors, gamma ray detection, microwave detection,
infrared detection, visible and multiple witnesses having
physiological effects when these things were occurring, and
hearing similar things while on the other side of the fence with
my Task Force hat on. And that led me to realize that you know,
this has to be much more detailed and looked into and I
tell you since I'm talking about it's publicly released is the
gimbal video has so much data in it that people don't realize is
there. There is all the little words and numbers on the screen
mean stuff. They mean a lot of things. I've done detailed
analysis of this I've we breached this to various levels
that we debrief it to senators and congressmen we briefed it a
bunch of places, but it's not a glare as some deep bunkers would
have you believe it's not a an airplane 80 miles away or
however far it was they say it's gonna be and, and it truly is
the vehicle making these turns is not an artifact of the
Raytheon at FLIR and a while it's really interesting, I see
so many people taking such hard efforts to debunk as opposed to
just do analysis and report the analysis. And I wonder what is
behind that? Is it a personal motivation? A religious
motivation, a political motivation, and economic
motivation? I don't know. And I can tell you right now, John,
and you can attest to this because you worked in TV. The TV
wasn't an economic motivation. I was doing I'm still working my
day job for a reason, right? Yeah.
John Greenewald: Yeah, you're not gonna get rich off of being
off of being on TV. I can tell everybody that I've always tried
to dispel Have that myth for for many years? To go back to kind
of the debunker question, I kind of have a couple that are folded
in here. But my name comes up to you a lot. As I say, sadly,
because a lot of it is misconstrued. I know, Stephen
Green Street is another one that you get asked about a lot, Mick
West, obviously more of the video analysis and the gimbal.
And I think that there's just kind of this misconception
between people that that have these varying levels of
skepticism. The first part of my question is, I mean, do you
really think that there is a underlying motivation for them?
I mean, I guess the same could be said, if you're on TV, you're
not making a lot of money. So I support you there. But when you
say economic motivation, I don't see Mick west or Steven Green
Street really making a whole lot of money from this either. Yeah.
So
Dr. Travis Taylor: unless they've had a sugar daddy of
somehow pumping money into it, I don't see that either. Right.
John Greenewald: No, and that's what I want to ask you. Like, do
you? Do you feel that that that's a possibility? Because I
don't just full disclosure, but I want you to be able to address
that too. Because do you feel that there's some other entity
that's pumping money and funding it?
Dr. Travis Taylor: See, that's I don't I that's the that's a
question. I mean, I'm asking that as a question. I don't
know. I'm asking what is that motivation? Because to me,
that's an important thing, either either to socio logical
Kurt, cultural phenomena, that people are just motivated for
some reason to go in. And they can't, like, we can't have
aliens, or we can't have UFOs. They're not real. They can't be
so I'm gonna go show that it's not what's driving that
emotionally? Or, or is it eco? Usually people do things for
power, money or emotional gratification, right? And so,
where in those three, does it fit? And is? Is it just purely
emotional gratification? If it is, that's a fantastic and
staggering phenomena. You know? That's honestly, it's why I'm
doing what I'm doing. And I'm sure it's why you're doing what
you're doing. Right.
John Greenewald: So let me let me ask you, then, because I
don't know, on your end, what kind of analysis and we'll stick
with the gimbal. Because you brought it up. And I agree with
you, there's a lot of data points that are visible there,
none of which I understand because they go way over my
head. So I stay out of the analysis. So I've got no skin in
this game. But my but my question is, on your on your
side, right on the government side, on the analysis side, uj.
And the task force, which by the way, really quick, how many
people were in the in the task force? Can you say that we're
kind of working?
Dr. Travis Taylor: So So keep in mind, what I said earlier, is
that there was never any funds appropriated. And so there were
people on loan from almost every service and every agency that
were part of this task force. So what are there like 18 Different
agencies in the intelligence community, and every one of them
was represented in some form or fashion and some others, and and
the ones who didn't have an active participant were briefed
and said, Oh, that's great. I don't know what to do with it,
though. I mean, we briefed the NASA administrator, the previous
one. And we briefed the White House Chief scientists, we bring
I mean, we briefed everybody. And so it's a, you know, we had
we had meetings, Jay would call it happy hour, at least once a
week. And we would do one when we could we would do them in a
classified setting. And when we couldn't, we would do them on
like a team setting. But keep it unclassified just to do kind of
logistics and keep up with everybody. And there was always
10 or 15 people on those, you know, conversations. So there
were there was enough people looking at the problem that, you
know, had we been truly, given the momentum to go forward, we
were going to get to the end of the frog gave me a perfect
example. There are there I was about to just before COVID, I
was scheduled to go do the dunk tank training to become a
payload specialist on a particular aircraft, I had all
sorts of sensors in it, and we were gonna go and fly around
certain hotspot areas and look for a data. But COVID knocked
that out out of the out of the words. And there was a lot of
things like that, that we just never, in the three years I was
there, we never had the funding to move forward. We had the
authority, but never the funding. And you could have the
authority all day long. You don't have the money to do it,
you're not gonna go forward and do much
John Greenewald: in regard. I'm glad for that explanation. So
thank you, I found a document with the NRO that had never
really been revealed before not only the document, but the
concept of a UAP Task Force advisory board. And I'm guessing
that that's what you're referring to is that
collectively they had all these people on loan. So very cool to
get your your side of the perspective on that, because I
want to go back to that gimbal question that I wanted to ask
you to give everybody including myself In the background to what
analysis or how you guys do the analysis, again, taking the the
gimbal video, for example, because what Mick West does,
obviously is more apparent to us, right? I mean, we can see it
the general public, I mean, but we can't see what you guys did.
So so how much detail can you give us on what you do to
analyze that video? Who was involved? And what conclusions
did you guys come up with on that specific video?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Well, I've spoken with Mick West about this
not not voiced a voice, but texting or email or whatever a
few times. And I gotta say, make those very thorough work. And I
got nothing bad to say about him. Except I'm just curious as
to what his motivation is, you know, and I'm not saying it's
nefarious, I don't want anybody to people go on Twitter, you
follow Twitter and go crazy with that stuff. And that's why I
don't go on there much is because it's so toxic. But so
the first thing we don't do is throw any data out. And one of
the first things that, you know, Mick says in his video about the
gamble is we're going to not listen to the audio. We're not
going to you know, we don't, we're not going to talk about
the radar that they talk about, they're seeing that things on
the situational awareness radar. And so what he's doing right,
there's taking to witness sensors out, immediately. He's
taking the pilot and WIZO sensors out themselves. He's
taking those situational awareness radar, who, which
detected a whole fleet of these things. And, and then what he
doesn't point out was that that situational awareness radar
slaved the FLIR to what it was detecting, and and slewed it to
the gimbal object. So it couldn't be a lens flare only,
or an object of the of the sensor, if the radar was picking
it up and telling you that it was I Oh, no, it was an airplane
80 miles away. Well, no, if it were an airplane, that FLIR
apertures about that big around, and at that distance you would
have had one pixel would be about the size of a car. So you,
you know, a 747 would have had three or four or five pixels at
best on target. And this gimbal video has plenty of scent of
pixels on the target. So there's a lot of things that aren't
brought to, to light there. And then there's, there's a whole
lot of other steps. And we went and interviewed the people
involved. We went and looked for any other instrumentation data
that if there were we couldn't talk about anyway. But the point
is, there were there is a lot more data than just what is in
the videos that are there. And and, and again, I talked to you
about it earlier about why you can't declassify some of those
things I get? Well, I'll just point out if every sensor, for
example, on on f 22 is classified, I mean everything.
And so you can't even reveal a picture from one of those
sensors because it would tell our enemy, what capabilities
that sensor has. Right? And so it will remain classified
forever, or at least until the F 22 is obsolete, right? And
that's why people say why aren't there more data about the
underwater things? Well, every single sensor on a on a nuclear
submarine, everything on it is classified. And so you're never
going to get see that data until those technologies are obsolete
and no longer useful against our near peers. So that's kind of
the situation we're in this model often for coming to the
conclusions they do they but they're not using all the data.
John Greenewald: And that's what I wanted to follow up with. So
you're safe to say and you likely can't give details but
safe to say like with the gimbal and all these other incidents,
that there are additional datasets that you guys can look
at working in the classified world versus us getting a leaked
video later officially released, but very little data other than
the on screen display and the voices.
Dr. Travis Taylor: Yeah, that's, that's, that's, I would say that
is a good explanation. But I would also say there's data in
that gimbal video that that has been stripped away from the
analysis that shouldn't be done even just from a white world
open world analysis.
John Greenewald: The witnesses themselves like the
Dr. Travis Taylor: witnesses and the situation awareness radar,
and understanding what each of those little letters means on
the on the thing and what it's telling you that the radar and
the LIDAR system and the and the infrared system were doing. They
were they were working together and tracking this thing. And
it's so it's it's a there's something more to this. It's not
easily explained away or debunked. And what I would like
to see, instead of this toxic head butting that you have on
the, it can't be a UFOs. It has to be balloons and drones and
swamp gas, or whatever is for that to go away and for everyone
to, you know, compare notes. And to and to work this problem
with, you know, two heads are better than one in many cases.
And instead of toxically going after it, you know, my grandma,
you say You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And I
think the UFO community is full of vinegar. At least,
John Greenewald: that's an understatement. But I know I
agree with you there. I want to talk about how that that kind of
community works since you're now in the private sector. But
before I do, are you able to give us one specific incident
that you saw working within the task force that really stuck out
to you is something that is unexplainable, and maybe not our
technology or a foreign adversary, but something else
did? Did something like that occur for you?
Dr. Travis Taylor: I can tell you it did occur, John, but what
I can also tell you is that we're firmly held to our NDA is
that if it hasn't been released to the public, as from the
government not leaked, I mean, released from the government to
the public, then we're not supposed to, we can't talk about
it.
John Greenewald: Gotcha. And you mentioned the leaks. I'm not
sure how much I can ask you about this. But one thing that
always kind of fascinated me was the run up to the report from
last year, there were like these, these multiple leaks of
photographs. And, and they, you know, they came out kind of
leading up and it was like leaking like a sieve from the
inside. And these data came out. Can you address any of that on
what came out? Why you think it came out? And
Dr. Travis Taylor: well, I can tell you, it didn't come from
anybody on the task force. But what I can tell you is when we
would go and do these briefings, we carried packets of the
briefing, you're marked with the right classifications and and
left him with trusted agents, whether they be congressional
staffers or whether he you name it, I don't know who they were.
And I don't know who they briefed after that, either
following that, but I can tell you that nobody on the task
force to my knowledge had anything to do with any leaks.
And so wherever these things came from somebody besides us,
show them things if that's if they if they were, you know, you
know, our documents, but I, you know, and again, I can't talk
about if they were real or not real. You no documents unless
the government has released that publicly.
John Greenewald: Well, that was and that was the interesting
thing that fascinated me was that they did, they went in and
in some cases, it was very quick where Pentagon spokespeople
would come out Susan Goff namely, and said, yes, these
were utilized by the UAP Task Force, but I could never get
them to to put in writing if they were considered
unidentified or not. Now putting the pieces of the puzzle
together, the report comes out, they were only able to identify
one which they claimed was a deflating balloon. But that was
it. The rest were unidentified. So again, putting two and two
together, if it was utilized by the task force, and the task
force report said All but one were were unidentified, then I
would think at that time, it would be safe to say they're on
identified. The one that I wanted to bring up to you not
sure if you can talk about it is the infamous, I'm going to do
the air quotes of the green pyramids that were, you know,
just kind of torn apart online. Can you talk to that at all?
Because I have heard you talk I think about triangle shaped
craft and I think that you were talking about this, but I want
to make sure. Can you talk about that footage at all?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Yeah, what I can talk about on that is, you
know, just from a public analysis of the publicly
released the video, you know, the so funny, somebody must have
said the words Bo K to some program manager or our non
scientist guy, and they latched on to it and with Oh, it's a
bokeh effect is clearly a photography bokeh effect thing.
Well, so bouquet is just a Japanese word that basically
means blurry, right? And the bouquet effect is if you have a
camera that has a particular shaped Iris inside it, some some
a lot of nowadays have nine sides. They look kind of like a
stop sign, but with you know, an extra side and these are the
irises that can close down and open up. And if you sit the
focus, where it's a real close field of focus, everything
behind your object that you're looking at, will take on the
blurry shape of your your pupil, your iris, that nine side of
that stop sign Good thing, which was an octagon. But a lot of the
irises for some reason have nine sides. Some have 12 Nowadays,
but so the the debunk is that there's a triangular shaped
aperture inside the second gen NVGs. Or I think it was a third
gen NVGs night vision goggles that the the Snoopy guy took the
video from. And they say this because, well, the stars in the
background are triangular. And it's so funny that somebody when
we point it to the video, so there's something in this video
that's really interesting. They say, Oh, you, you're a bunch of
idiots, those are stars. I never said those were not stars,
there's one moving object in that thing. The rest are sitting
there and and in fact, the Snoopy guy gives you his GPS
coordinates, and the date is on the video and time. So you can
take any astronomy software and plug that GPS coordinates this
off coast to San Diego, and then put in the time until the drill
and he tell you tells you which direction he's looking. And you
can see the exact star field, you can overlay it in that
video, and you can see which stars they are. But you see the
one that's moving and blinking? Well, if it's in the near field,
and he's focusing his camera on it, even if it does have a
triangular aperture, if it's in focus, then it should look like
whatever it is in focus, and the things behind it would have this
bouquet effect. And the interesting thing there is that
even in focus, when they vote, you can see the video, the focus
of just the object that's moving is very sharply triangular.
While the stars in the background are fuzzy, and pseudo
triangular, they're, you know, get rounded corners. And you
know, they don't look like a sharp triangle that you would
draw for your geometry class. And so that looks more like the
object moving is in focus and the things behind it or not. And
so to you, and
John Greenewald: again, I've got no skin in this game, but but
I'm just genuinely curious. Don't they look like the exact
same shape to you though?
Dr. Travis Taylor: No, actually, I've done a detailed analysis,
the thing is moving is very sharp, detailed triangular. And
the things behind it are much more fuzzy, rounded, triangular.
And the things behind it are clearly stars and there's a
bouquet type effect. I'm not so sure there's a triangular
aperture in the NBA, the third gen NVGs they cost too much we
tear one apart and look and see. You know, I may if I if I want
to put more skin in that game tear one apart, but I don't
really care. There's plenty of other videos that are more
interesting. But here's the key though.
John Greenewald: By the way, are those videos that are more
interesting out in the open or No,
Dr. Travis Taylor: I know a lot more about the what was going on
at that timeframe than what is just in that video. Right. And
the Snoopy guy tells you if you listen to the audio, which
again, the the bunkers though the audio out, he says that
radar has verified drones in the area. In and out, they use the
word drone as sort of a catch all for any unknown aircraft.
It's not like looked like a man craft that they find. So he's
thinking that so he's telling you right there, the radar has
picked up something. So this thing is detected on the radar
that they're seeing. Also, keep in mind, this is the ship in the
middle of the ocean. And there's no other ships anywhere near it.
And drones at best, have a 10 or 15 minute sort of flight
capability with the batteries. So where did this thing come
from? Right. And if it is a drone that the Chinese or
somebody else has got a much better battery lifecycle than
that, then they've got something we don't. And that's something
important. And had we known for sure that was a Chinese drone
doing something like that. There's no way it would have
ever been declassified To my knowledge, that video was never
classified. I mean, I was I was there when we wrote the security
class guide for things like that. And to my knowledge, it
never was
John Greenewald: in the last six minutes or so I have a couple
more points that I want to
Dr. Travis Taylor: just it's not a hard six minutes. It's up to
you, John,
John Greenewald: I appreciate that. No, I don't. But I also
don't want to, I want to respect your time don't want to
disrespect it. So I want to keep it as tight as I can. As you've
now walked away from that role, you've retired and gone to the
to the private sector, can I ask without impeding on any
classified information? What are you walking away with? Idea wise
meaning when you look at these phenomena, or if you feel it's
just one phenomenon? What are we looking at? What do you what do
you conclude? By all the stuff that you've seen you walk out
you're now in the private sector? How do you feel about
UFOs and UAP?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Well, I know it's a real scientific phenomena
that I don't know what it is. There's a lot of I'm I data,
there's a lot of data that I've seen, that leads me into the bin
of sort of the science fiction, it could very well be
extraterrestrial beings, drones, AI, something like that. But it
also leads me into the, you know, when I try to come up with
a mundane, near peers or billionaires or something doing
this on Earth, that that seems to be more of a stretch, then
going toward the more exotic explanation. And then there's
always the possibility that Mother Nature is showing us
something new that we've never seen before. But man, it's
certainly doesn't act like just some random, natural phenomena.
So I'm more inclined to lean one way, and that is that there is
some nuts and bolts solution. It might not be bait of nuts and
bolts, it might be something completely different than what
we understand as nuts and bolts, but that it isn't something we
built. And it is something that we should be concerned with. I
mean, I can tell you from firsthand, after being exposed
to radiation out on Skinwalker Ranch and being sick for a week
from it, that I think there's an see, and other people have
physiological effects. And here in the psychological trauma
that, you know, the pilots and things have talked about this,
we need to get to the bottom of this. And when you see how close
they fly to airplanes and stuff, that's concerning, what if one
of them decides fly a little closer?
John Greenewald: So them having an extraterrestrial origin is is
on the table for you, but you're not 100%? Convinced? Well,
Dr. Travis Taylor: see, that's the thing about the way I want
everybody to understand this is while I might think that's the
answer. If I can't prove that's the answer, it's disingenuous
for me to tell everybody, you know that it's probably aliens,
or it's probably the Chinese or probably the Russians, or
whatever, if I can't prove it, any until I can, until I can
prove what it is. It's very disingenuous for me to say
otherwise, because it's gonna lead people to you know, maybe,
you know, go to conclusions and other parts of their life that,
that this would affect. And and I don't want to do that. While
again. Yeah. All I can say is the from probabilities. Right
now, the probability of it being more of a science fiction answer
than it is a mundane China near peer Russia, oligarchy?
Something I don't know, answer seems like, it's going up higher
on the the science fiction scenario being more likely,
because it's just everything we've turned over every rock
we've turned over on planet just on Earth, just suggests that
there's nobody here that could build these things and do this,
do these kinds of things. But I could be wrong, and I'd be happy
to be proven wrong. Or I'd also be happy to be proven right.
John Greenewald: Quick question about that. You said you were
sick for a week from Skinwalker Ranch. And if there's a
connection with these phenomenon in some way with that? Isn't
that measurable data? Meaning like if you've got something
that is ailing you, Have you have you looked at that? I mean,
I mean, especially in a pandemic world, you know, everybody's
frantic about viruses and bacteria, and so on and so
forth. So what point when you experience that, do you turn
around and go, Okay, look, paranormal or not? Something's
going on here that we got to look at, and you call the CDC
or, you know, HHS or whomever? Yeah, that would look at that,
well would help me understand that within
Dr. Travis Taylor: 48 hours of me being exposed to whatever it
was, it gave me all the symptoms of radiation sickness. And we
had a contractor who does this for nuclear Navy ships come in
and scour the place from top to bottom, it couldn't find any,
anything that would trigger a gamma ray detector. So we've
left gamma ray detectors out there for long periods of times.
And what we'll see is a huge spike appear of near dangerous
levels. But they only last for certain amounts of time. And
it's random as to when and where they are actually. So we don't
know why this is and what's causing it. But we've been
looking and noticing that there might be some correlation with
when we see UAP phenomena that we are also seeing these spikes
in the gamma rays.
John Greenewald: have had those types of spikes if you set
something up in like my backyard, that's not Skinwalker
Ranch. Are those normal just because I'm not
Dr. Travis Taylor: there gamma rays on top of university
buildings all over and there's a undergraduate physics labs where
they build the gamma ray detectors and run and do
experience. Now you'll get spikes, but only, you know, two
or three times normal background, which is completely
safe levels. Because they're you know, the sun will Burpo you
know, solar flare every now and then you'll get, you'll get
something a black hole somewhere will spit out some gamma rays or
muons that are moving real fast to hit the upper atmosphere and
create these things. But in general, no. If you do start
seeing gamma rays in your house, you probably got radon gas, and
you need to take care of that, right. So it's really odd that
this happens within this 500 acre place, the way it does now
qualify that, you know, I don't have a gamma ray detector 10
miles off the ranch to see, but we do have them in there are
some in other places. And the actually the Weather Service
NOAA has them in places that they were put out during the
Cold War, to see if the the Russians were doing above ground
nuclear testing and stuff, and to measure that kind of thing.
So you know, there's nothing that tells me that this is a
phenomenon is happening anywhere except near these events.
John Greenewald: Gotcha. Last point I want to deal with you is
essentially the future. You have now gone into the private
sector, it was reported, you're working at a company called
radiance technologies, right? That's correct. And you are
working with Jay Stratton, who we've talked about a lot through
the last hour or so as leading the UAP task force. Now you guys
are together in the private sector. There's a lot of rumors
about that a lot of speculation that radiants is either. And
I've seen it I'm not even making this up that you guys are
reverse engineering alien spacecraft, that you guys are
going for UAP investigative contracts. And I've also heard
that there's nothing going on, I've looked, I can't find
anything. I found some other radiants technology contracts
and stuff that the DoD posted publicly, but nothing UAP
related. And that's normal. It's a very successful company. So
that being said, let's deal with the rumors. Are you guys doing
UAP work?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Well, what we're doing is we're continuing
to do work that we've done our entire careers, right, we have
expertise that we've built up, and that's what they hired us
for. radiants does a lot of different things, from directed
energy to some advanced propulsion to foreign military
equipment, exploitation, you know, so you know, if they were
the company to go to say, if you had a downed, you know, Russian
or Chinese asset, and you wanted to figure out what it was and
what it was doing. You know, we're the kind of company to do
that. Now, we, to my knowledge, I haven't seen a UFO in a hangar
somewhere yet, but you know, I'd be happy to get one and start
reverse engineering it. And my personal motivation is Yes, I do
want to continue doing the work. And my plan is to continue
interacting with the same community I've interacted with
my entire career, and continue to offer what subject matter
expertise I've gathered to that. And because it's fun work, and
it's it's a moral imperative to it. I mean, you know, what, are
these things? Are they are they friendly? Are they foe? Do they
don't care? I mean, are they benevolent, malicious? We don't
know, I have no idea what these things are. So I'm going to
continue to research them and try to figure it out. And
radiants has a, you know, a lot of fun working and our president
said in an interview with George Knapp, I think it was that it
would be happy to reverse engineer and alien spacecraft if
we were, you know, given the opportunity. So that's the way
yeah, I'm not I'm not confirming or denying. I'm not saying I'm
not confirming or denying, denying, I'm saying, sure if the
work comes along, I'm going to do it right.
John Greenewald: Well, I gotta probe you a little bit pardon to
put on that you can't confirm or deny. So you can't know yea, or
nay on UAP work?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Oh, well, I can say that. Nobody's. So let
me let me put it to you like this. You know, nobody is paying
me right now from a government standpoint, to do any UAP work.
And but it doesn't mean that I'm not. I don't want to do it. And
it doesn't mean that I wouldn't do it if the opportunity arose.
Let's just leave it leave it at that. But I will tell you that
it's my personal goal to be. I don't know if people watching
this will be old enough to remember the adventures of Jonny
Quest. But since I was a kid, it was my goal to be Dr. Benton
quest. so that when the alien spacecraft spider crashes on the
island that they call me to go to it and see what it is, and
figure out how to stop the thing, right. And so and I
haven't given up on that dream, even though that was a long time
ago. So maybe that's the best way to leave that.
John Greenewald: I'll leave it alone. Take as much time as you
want, because I like I said, want to respect it. So I'm out
of time. But I did want to get your thoughts on the current
effort. And again, this is just as a private citizen, you
looking out from the outside and take as much time as you want,
if any at all. But do you want to comment on the current
standing of the DOD? S UAP. research effort with arrow where
they're going? The report is late. Obviously, something's
going on. Got any thoughts on that?
Dr. Travis Taylor: Sure. I mean, I don't I don't read anything
into the report. Being late man, I worked for the government for
27 years. And as a contractor for another 10. On top of that,
and reports are late. Let's just just keep that in mind as not
that as people are always mandated by law by Congress, and
they why is it Congress? Well, look at all the turmoil Congress
is going through right now. They don't know who's going to be in
charge. They don't know who's doing what. So I suspect this is
not something high on their to do list until after, you know,
there's not even a budget in place yet. And we probably won't
have a budget till January or February. And I suspect at that
point, once they have a sigh of relief, after they figure that
part out, then someone else Oh, yeah, we were supposed to have
that gap. That arrow briefing by now. Right? So I'm gonna go
check on that. And I suspect that's exactly what's happening
with it. Now, as far as the team that's doing it, it's probably
was mostly people that were they were doing it before. And then
there's some new people that were brought in to this new
office, it's new Arrow office to my understanding, and they all
seem like top notch, you know, people that have this their
career they there. They don't have any disingenuousness. I
think about what they're doing. And I don't even know if it's
them that's in the delay of the process, I suspect is just, it's
just a big thing to get done. And a lot of people had to sign
off on it before they can package it up and walk it across
the river to the Capitol building. And I suspect that
really is it. It's really just a matter of, you know, and I know
that the turnovers go always they're covering up you don't
want to say that says they're breaking the law, they haven't
done it. It's not I guarantee you, it's nothing like that. It
is simply the quagmire of getting stuff done. Day to day,
especially this time of year in the government where you got
holidays, there's no budget signed, and just after an
election where nobody knows who's doing what. Right. So
there's a lot of moving parts there. Yeah, and
John Greenewald: none of us really know of OD and I called
the congressional committee or committees and said, Hey, by the
way, we're going to be late, and kind of set that up. And
everybody's prepared for it. And UFO Twitter had
Dr. Travis Taylor: heard through the grapevine that I think
everybody's cordial about it. Yeah, I think everybody knows,
and it's, and it's, maybe somebody should do a press
release or something. Hey, yeah, we know it's coming. Yeah. And,
you know, we lost our number two pencil, and we're trying to get
another one or something. I don't know. But
John Greenewald: yeah, we're currently sharpening I asked
ODNI. Yesterday, if if that was actually the case, if Congress
was made aware of just kind of giving them an out, they are
completely mum, they just won't contact like, comment at all,
Dr. Travis Taylor: I suspect that in most cases in the
government, Look, you can't go and talk. So like I said, I was
gonna record forever, you cannot say something in public, as a
government official, well, that haven't gone through, you know,
three lawyers and four program managers and SES is and bosses
and generals. And so I honestly think it's easier for them not
to say anything at this point, and then just bear with the the
onslaught of bad press.
John Greenewald: Yeah. And I but I think that the conspiracies
that that form outside actually is making our side look a little
bit more silly, because everybody creates these
conspiracies. And then later, we learn Yeah, ODNI, called on
October 29, and said, Hey, by the way, it's going to be late
Congress says, Yeah, we don't really care. And that's it. You
know, there's nothing exciting about it. Yeah. The general
public takes over and makes up the own story. But yeah, I
Dr. Travis Taylor: have no knowledge of that. That has
happened. But it wouldn't surprise me though. Yeah, I
suspect that's what the case is it this is. This is a clearly
logistics issue. It's not a conspiracy theory issue. I'll
get to that. Yeah.
John Greenewald: Well, Dr. Taylor, I can't thank you
enough. Obviously, I blew through my schedule a time I
really did want to respect the time that you allotted for me
today to come on the show. I know not everybody wants to come
on this show. And to your credit, I hope you don't mind me
saying this. You had zero requirements for me meaning
saying On, don't ask this or stay away from that. So the
audience doesn't formulate any kind of, you know, rumors, you
are great, you know, and I really do appreciate your
openness for me because I do get entwined in those questions that
are thrown your way as I'm the big, mean skeptic guy, most of
which is unfounded by a thank you for that
Dr. Travis Taylor: like to, I'd like to throw into that, John,
and I appreciate you being very forthright with everything and
being real honest with you about all that. But I want people to
realize that, you know, I'm not getting rich off of this. I
mean, I'm making middle class comfortable living like any
other sciences engineer in the country. And, and but I'm
personally motivated, I've been a very patriotic since I was a
kid, I see this as a moral imperative that maybe it's a
threat to our country, maybe it's an opening to a whole new
level of humanity, right? So I'm driven to figure out what this
is, and I'm not gonna I'm not trying to keep things covered up
or conspiracies or anything like that. And, you know, now, I
certainly will not violate anything that will affect
national security or any of my oaths. But, you know, I'm just a
guy that, you know, that happened to be lucky enough to
get that job and do the work. Right.
John Greenewald: Well, I do appreciate it. And thank you,
and I hope that you'll come back. I've got 32,000 Other
questions I didn't get to ask. But, but again, joking aside, I
do appreciate it. And thank you for that and hopefully you will
come
Dr. Travis Taylor: back. You're very welcome. And absolutely,
just let me know.
John Greenewald: I appreciate that. And thank you all for
listening and or watching. This is John Greenewald, Jr, signing
off, and we will see you next time.