John Greenewald: Hey everybody, John Greenewald, here with the
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sure if I should only reason is lots of visuals to look at. But
I know that a lot of you just don't care about that aspect.
And want me to drop them to audio anyway. So there you go.
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this one on the guy Hodel memo. And with that, that is what we
are talking about today. I will say that when I posted what I
call the short it was like a minute long, it goes to not only
YouTube shorts, but also to now tick tock. Lots of people were
requesting I be on there, mainly my sister, so a shout out to
her. But but she was seeing a lot of people talking about the
black vault using black vault hashtags. So I finally got
suckered into doing it. But it's been a lot of fun and
challenging to create short form content. But I know a lot of you
don't use Tik Tok. I've heard the concerns and the privacy
concerns and so on. And maybe it's just me after 26 years of
doing this, I just kind of waved goodbye to much of my privacy
anyway. So it doesn't really bother me at all. Plus, I didn't
really see a whole lot of promise in some of the claims
made against Tiktok. Anyway. But that being said, I joined that,
but take those shorts. So don't worry if you if you don't use
Tiktok, you'll see him on Instagram, started posting there
as well. But also here on YouTube, if you're watching the
video on YouTube, so you're not missing out. But my whole point
is, is that when I dropped this short form video, my intent was
to do this longer form video to go along with it. Some of you
who pay attention to these channels, probably saw that with
the Bigfoot video that I did drop, the short dropped the
longer version. That way, everybody gets what they want
some one short form somewhat long form. So bam, that's what I
decided to do with this particular one life got in the
way. As most of you know, I'm a dad, I've got a three year old
and eight year old things always don't go as planned. Scheduling
beyond an hour into my future is generally pretty tough to do. So
it didn't work out. But I'm kind of glad it didn't. Because with
that being said, and that delay, I got to see two things. One,
the reaction from some people out there to the short form
video, which I was, I would say surprised that some people
accused me of actually making up this document that it wasn't
real. So it was interesting to see those types of comments
because this document is absolutely real, and very
provable. But the second part of why I'm happy that I got delayed
was some news. And that is for those who know what I'm going to
be talking about the Hodel memo, I got a version from the FBI
released just this morning of it entirely unredacted. Now, there
weren't a whole lot of redactions I'll show you in a
moment. But I got those redactions lifted. And what that
revealed were the names of those involved beyond guy Hodel, who
was the special agent in charge in Washington, DC. So that is a
little bit of news for you. That was again hot in today, through
FOIA. I will show you that in the coming minutes, but wanted
to kind of preface the story of what we're going to be talking
about. So let me go ahead and pull up the visuals. If you're
not familiar with the guy Hodel memo, this is something that has
been around for many, many years in the UFO conversation. Some
even call it a smoking gun. Others call the story that's
depicted in the document because I want to stress the document is
real. There is no denying that. But the story within some
believe is a hoax. Now I'm going to outline everything for you,
at least as much as is presently known about this document and
let you guys decide I'm not really here to tell you one way
or the other. Of course I'm skeptical of course I lean
towards that's probably not real. But the new revelation of
of those redactions being lifted, may actually cause more
questions to be generated than questions answered. We'll get to
that, like I said in a few moments.
The memo itself is this it is a one page memorandum. And we're
going to dissect it here just so you guys know on the audio
version, exactly what we are talking about. It was dated
March 22 1950. And you can see up here was addressed to the
director of the FBI, which you can imagine was J Edgar Hoover.
And it was from Guy Hodel SAIC means Special Agent in Charge in
Washington DC. The subject flying saucers information
concerning let me read it to you the following information with
furnish to NSA or special agent and then redacted for those
listening on the audio version. It's about equal to a line and a
half of redactions stretching over three lines. So we don't
know what's under that new paragraph. An investigator for
the Air Forces stated that three so called Flying Saucers had
been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being
circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet
in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of
human shape, but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth
have a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner
similar to the blackout suits, suits used by speed fliers, and
that pilots and test pilots excuse me as type writers a
little hard to read here. According to Mr. redacted
informant, the saucers were found in New Mexico due to the
fact that the government has a very high powered radar setup in
that area, and it is believed the radar interferes with
controlling mechanics of the saucers. No further evaluation
was attempted by NSA and then blank concerning the above. And
then that's the end of the memo. Sorry, for my tongue tied there,
it's sometimes hard to read on my monitor of a monitor
broadcasting to you guys, especially when it's from 1950.
But anyway, that is the memorandum. Fresh in today is
the memorandum unredacted. I will dissect the line that's
unredacted towards the end of this. But for now, let me read
it to you the following information was furnished to
Special Agent, our H. Kurtzman, by Carl, how special
investigator sex squad, Metropolitan Police Department,
and then it goes on. I've already read the rest of you.
The other redactions cited when I read the whole thing, we're
just the same names in the first paragraph, but cited in
paragraphs three and four. So there you go, a little bit of a
mystery revealed on who the source actually was. But before
I get into that, I want to, again, just outline the
memorandum here because this part is new. So I didn't update
all my slides. So I'm gonna go back to that original one,
because I already did the graphics. And then I'll come
back to that, that new information just to kind of add
where we are. But I think the history behind this is
absolutely important. Here, you can see a side by side of both
documents. You can see it's a much cleaner version as well. So
that was kind of nice. Everything else matches up. You
can see some handwriting here that was redacted. Couldn't
really read in any way. But here it is revealed flying discs or
flying saucers, what was handwritten at the top here. And
then of course, all of those redactions are lifted. So as I
briefly mentioned before, it was written by Guy Hodel, he was the
head of the Washington, DC FBI field office, and he addressed
it to the director of FBI, which again was Jay J. Edgar Hoover.
The document itself, as I also mentioned, has been around for a
long time, in fact, decades, it has circulated and it really
didn't, I would say get a lot of online recognition until about
eight or nine years ago. And the reason is, is that when the FBI
had launched what they called the vault, I've always joked
about that on this channel, what a convenient name. But they
launched their archive of government documents and called
it the vault. In it are various FBI files, on organizations on
people, all sorts of things and there's a lot of information
it's a great resource. I've learned it's not always complete
they lead you to believe it's complete, let's say on a certain
person or organization that is not true. That's a video for
another day. But regardless, it's a good resource to kind of
cross reference and see what has been released before on there is
a file of guy huddle. Let me read to you what how they
describe him guy huddle was a special agent in charge of the
FBI is Washington Field Office. The information concerning Mr.
Mr. Hodel is in regard to a march to The second 1950 memo he
sent to the FBI Director concerning flying saucers, see,
and then there's a web address, which I will also show you,
which links to a 2013 article UFOs. And the guy huddle memo in
March of 2013, the FBI wrote this to kind of explain a little
bit about this memo, because when it popped up in our vault,
unless you were a UFO history buff, read about it in books,
because it again was nothing new. The Internet grabbed ahold
of it and went, Oh, my goodness, this is the smoking gun. So the
FBI went, Okay, we got to do some PRs damage control here and
made this 2013 article to help explain that memorandum because
it did go viral at the time here are just some of the headlines
being picked up by the times, Huffington Post, NBC News. And
this was worldwide because a lot of people well, they they wanted
to know if this truly was a smoking gun. So let's outline
what the FBI explanation actually was. And these are
quotes quote first, the huddle memo isn't new. It was first
released publicly in the late 1970s and had been posted on the
FBI website for several years prior to the launch of the
vault. Second, the huddle memo is dated nearly three years
after the infamous events in Roswell in July 1947. There's no
reason to believe the two are connected. The FBI file on
Roswell, another popular page is posted elsewhere on the vault
prior to the vault Just a quick side note was something very
similar, just not as well known or well publicized. So that's
what they mean that it was posted years before the vault
came came came about. Back to the quotes third, as noted in an
earlier story, the FBI has only occasionally been involved in
investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few
years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did
order his agents at the request of the Air Force to verify any
UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1954 months after
the hudl memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office
didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into
it. Of course, in the normal fashion of any government
agency, they have to belittle the topic, when probably there's
really no justification for that, because in the 1950s, we
know for a fact a lot of documents have been destroyed or
lost. This was also prior to the Freedom of Information Act. So
we have no idea at that timeframe. What Hoover and his
FBI did with the information that could potentially
contradict that. Because a lot of other agencies, their
information does contradict statements like that. Back to
the quotes finally, the Hodel memo does not prove the
existence of UFOs it is simply a second or third hand claim that
we never investigate it. Some people believe the memo repeats
a hoax that was circulating at the time, but the Bureau's files
have no information to verify that theory. They in the article
Sorry, no smoking gun on UFOs. The mystery remains.
The key part of that, for me is the mystery. The FBI couldn't
truly explain where this story came from. Hopefully I'm going
to be able to add to that today. But with this article, they call
it a mystery even though skeptics and even UFO believers
advocates that the phenomena these phenomena are real and
something worthy of study. Even some of them are saying now it's
it's a hoax, and they largely reference this man, Silas
Newton. The quote at the top here, some people believe the
memo repeats a hoax that was circulating at that time, but
the Bureau's files have no information to verify that
theory. Here's what's interesting because again, Silas
Newton has largely been connected to the story depicted
in this memo and who knows, that could very well be true. But
with all the information that the FBI had access to either
classified or exempt from release and otherwise, back in
2013, they could not verify that Silas Newton played any role in
that. This was the man here you can see there was major
headlines all around because he was a big con man at the time.
Silas Newton jailed here to face Bunko charges. He's primarily
known for selling something called the doodle bug. That's a
device that I guess can can detect oil and gold and I mean,
it was a big scam and essentially it was at the time
said to have cost hundreds of 1000s have dollars, but would
sell it to people for like $40,000. And those rich people
would essentially think that they're getting some kind of a
deal. He called it the doodle bug. Here's a picture of it,
haven't found many of them. But this is a rare one of it. And
this is what essentially he was, he was really in a lot of
trouble for because it was a fairly big scam. All apologize
to Dr. Bruce Maccabee in advance if it wasn't him, but I believe
just through research, I wasn't able to get a hold of him for
this. But
I believe that the Silas Newton connection routes to Dr. McCabe
back around the timeframe that he wrote the FBI CIA UFO
connection. And to his credit, he got a lot of those original
FBI UFO files that came out decades ago, including the Hodel
memo. So that is absolutely a props to him for doing that
decades ago. But I believe again that Silas Newton connection
routes with Dr. McCabe but the FBI couldn't bear that out. I
did dig up Silas Newton's FBI file that's also on the FBI is
vault as well. I did confirm with the FBI that that is
complete, meaning what you find on the vault, what you find on
the black vault, that would be my site. That is the phone Silas
Newton file, there's nothing else. I won't go and dissect
that file. But there's quite a bit to read. I put on screen
here his arrest record and some of the charges that he faced a
lot of stuff through New York, you can see Sheriff's Department
in Los Angeles, Denver and so on. There's also a lot of
resources out there of newsletters that you can find.
You can see they've been labeled and flying saucers swindlers.
The story is pretty deep. It's a truly a video and even a
documentary in itself to show what Silas Newton did, what his
con was, who he worked with, so on and so forth. And it just
kind of spiraled from there. So again, I'm not going to dissect
that whole thing, but there's lots of resources there if
you're curious about it, because it is really a fascinating
story. I always loved those conman 1950s You know, stories
where they got away with so much, eventually to be caught,
but still fascinating nonetheless. So let's get back
to the news for today that the Hodel memo has now been released
in full here it is, again, you can see much cleaner than the
previous version released. That first paragraph that I already
had read to you revealed the names of two key players in the
saga. The first is Special Special Agent R. H. Kurtzman.
And he was the one that essentially got the information,
fed it to the agent in charge at his field office, who then in
turn sent it to J. Edgar Hoover. So now we can see who that was,
who the special agent received it from. This is what I was
trying to unlock. And this to my I would say biggest surprise was
that it was not anybody that we recognized in like a silence
Silas Newton or something to that effect. But rather the
information came from another law enforcement agency, namely
the Metropolitan Police Department and I think that's
safe to assume would be the Washington DC, Metro Police
Department, Special Investigator Carl, how was the one who
obtained the information, and he was part of get this, the sex
squad. Now, why he would come up with the information depicted in
the guy huddle memo of alien bodies and so on and he worked
in a sec squad unit. I have no idea. So where my surprise comes
in? And of course this is guests guesswork when you deal with
redactions was that I assumed that the first part of the
redaction was the FBI agent. And I actually thought that they
likely wouldn't unredact that that they would keep that
redacted even if the guy was dead, meaning a lot of times
these agencies will protect our agents. But what I was hoping
for was the source. Let's say it's Silas Newton, long, long
long passed away dead and no longer a privacy issue concern.
That's what I was looking for. But to my surprise, to see
another law enforcement agency that to me was intriguing. And
on top of that this was obviously and I want to say
obviously but it is a with 99% certainty. The Washington DC
Metropolitan Police Department. reason is is because when a
metro PD gets information, they feel that there should be
federal involvement. They go to the field office locally, then
locally goes to their national headquarters. And that's what
you see here. You trace it back from DC Metro Police Is to
Special Agent Kurtzman, back to the Special Agent in Charge than
to the director of the FBI. So I think it's a safe assumption.
But of course,
there's always that 1% chance that it's wrong. But regardless,
here is our H. Kurtzman, Robert H. Kurtzman to be exact, he died
back in 1978. I found him listed in a document that I got from
the FBI called the Dead list. And yes, that is really their
name for it. It is the dead list. This is used by the
Freedom of Information Act office, when people do FOIA
requests or Privacy Act request or looking for information. They
keep a database of people that they have verified, are dead. So
you have to submit obituaries, death certificates, proof of
death in the form of news articles, and so on and so
forth. And to do that, you you have to submit it to the FBI,
and it has to be verifiable. Once it's verified, it goes into
the list. So Robert Kurtzman, the special agent that received
this information. Either somebody requested his file
before, and I believe that's true. But I haven't been able to
verify if there is a file that's come out yet. I'm working on
that. We'll see if there's anything in Kurtzman file, it's
probably nothing related to this, but you never know. So
that's that's him found verified. There you go. The
other aspect is the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington,
DC. Now, what's interesting about this is that it didn't
immediately route to a Silas Newton, as I pointed out, but
rather a police department. So this morning, I immediately
picked up the phone and called the police department over in
DC. And I ended up having to leave a message where I ended up
asking about files from 1950. Reason being is we want to see
what their files if they still exist, say hopefully through
either a Sunshine Act or Freedom of Information Act, or maybe
through public affairs, they'll work with me because it's 70
plus years, since these these documents were written, maybe
they will release them, will those files have something to do
with either Silas Newton or a story dealing with Silas
Newton's claims and so on and so forth, who knows that's still up
in the air. But it to me this kind of deepen the mystery a
little bit. That doesn't mean the Hodel memo depicts, you
know, real events. And this is a smoking gun, but rather, it
wasn't what I expected. And that is the very, very cool thing
about it. Remember that arrest record that I also talked to you
guys about with Silas Newton, it really didn't touch DC or any
problems that he had in DC. You can see here that the department
that he was charged with various charges, New York City, New
York, New York, New York, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Denver,
Los Angeles, all the way from 1931 through 1967, the 1950
timeframe, when this intelligence was collected from
the field by a sex unit Special Agent, for whatever reason, that
would lie in the timeline here, and you can see 1936 jumps to 52
no real trouble in 1950. So again, may not be directly Silas
Newton, maybe it's somebody that he knew. Heard about, who knows
a lot of possibilities there. But regardless, I would say more
questions than answers on this one. At first, I thought this
was just kind of, I guess a geeky cool thing, if you want to
call it that. I was talking to my to my friend Dan Warren and
shout out to him runs a cool tic tock channel. God he's, he's
killing it over there with like a well over a quarter of a
million subscribers. So if you don't know Dan, follow him on
tick tock. If you do use tick tock, not don't worry about it,
but follow him over there. But anyway, what I told him I was
like, Hey, this is like a geeky cool thing, what I call the
geeky, cool, because I'm a geek, I love this kind of stuff. But
then I realized hey, this actually adds more to the story.
Maybe not national newsworthy, but rather more to this mystery
as the FBI calls it so hoax. I don't know you guys decide you
know, I'm always interested in your comments. If you're
listening on YouTube, you know where to put them. Just look
down south there,
you'll see all the comments already. Add your own. Let me
know if you think it's all BS. Hey, let me know. The document
though itself is real. So those who commented on the short
saying that I made this up and was looking for clickbait. No,
it's all verifiable. You guys can verify it. But the question
mark is what is within and that is what we don't know. So put
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So thank you for that. With all that said, this is John
Greenewald, Jr signing off, and we will see you next time.