John Greenewald: On the night of March 13 1997, the residents of
Phoenix Arizona were stunned by unidentified lights that
appeared above their city. In what appeared like a triangle
flying across the night sky, the event is known worldwide as the
Phoenix lights incident. But what you may not know, is there
is much more to the story that most rarely hear about.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: You'll see that it's wavy because I was shaking.
John Greenewald: Tonight, we're doing something a little bit
different to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the event. In
more of a presentation format, rather than my standard
interviews, Dr. Lin key tie, an eye witness to the Phoenix
lights is about to step into the vault to offer a breakdown of
the entire saga. Not only did she witness the main event that
you likely have heard about, she was also witness to numerous
other UFOs in the same area, even months before what she
calls the mass sighting. And they all lack explanation. Stay
tuned, you're about to journey inside the black vault.
That's right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for
tuning in. And taking this journey inside the black vault
with me. I'm your host, John Greenewald, Jr, owner and
creator of the black vault.com. And I'm pretty excited about
today's show, because we are talking to somebody that not
only I've known for a very, very long time we met many many years
ago, sadly have lost touched over the last quite a few years,
with all sorts of world events and pandemics and all sorts of
stuff. But I am so thrilled to have the Dr. Lin Ki Tae joining
me here, Dr. Kitai. Thank you so much for for taking the time out
of your day. And joining us to talk about the Phoenix lights.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: This is a supreme pleasure not only to
speak with your audience and to set the record straight, there
is so much mis and disinformation out there. And we
haven't talked for a long time a lot has evolved since we last
spoke years ago. And I'm honored to be part of your show and to
share the data the data speaks for itself. I never had any
interest or knowledge in the topic at all, before my husband
and I had a very close sighting to our home two years before the
mass sighting. And I happen to capture 35 millimeter
photographs of incredible what they call now UAP anomalous
aerial phenomenon, but the ironic part is that besides
having no interest or knowledge in the topic, before this all
happened, my life's work has been community education of
health issues. Not only that I start in medical school doing
that for the community. But I was a reporter on NBC in
Philadelphia with Jessica Savage, anybody that knows that
name. She was kind of my mentor out there that a syndication
grew from that of 120 60 to 92nd pieces that was actually showing
when we moved to Phoenix in 1980 at CBS. And then I started doing
health tips on set as well for NBC here in the early 80s. And
by the mid 80s. In the practice out of adolescent medicine as my
specialty I was seeing teens, drowning in substance abuse and
wanted to get something out there to wake them up to the
reality and got together kids that had been they're experts in
the field and then I put in my other hat. Before I went to
medical school I was in professional musical theater on
Broadway and touring companies. I toured with Gordon McRae in
Oklahoma and Betty Grable and Guys and Dolls and understudy
barbering and Sound of Music and actually also play Alice and
Alice in Wonderland with Sherman Hemsley from the Jefferson and
also was in Raising Arizona Coen Brothers 20 Century Fox hit
movie about a family who has quintuplets and Nicolas Cage and
Holly Hunter who can't conceive actually decide to kidnap one of
the contactless and I played the mother of the quintuplets,
Florence, Arizona and Raising Arizona and that what's ironic
is that that movie opened in 1987 10 years before the mass
sighting and I stayed anonymous for seven years after 1000s of
people saw what I had been saying we're going to really get
into it on March 13 1997. And once I came forward in 2004, I
started touring the world as you have done And someone came up to
me in 2006 or seven and said, you know, there's a reference to
your character, Florence, Arizona, and UFOs in Raising
Arizona. And I had no I never remember because I hadn't
watched it since the late 80s. I'm on going back after one of
the quintuplets is kidnapped by Nicolas Cage and Holly Hunter,
there's a press conference. And in front of our home, a reporter
sticks a microphone in my husband face and says there's a
rumor your son was abducted by UFOs Is there any truth to that?
And my husband says, Oh, please don't please don't print that it
is mama reads actual lose all hope, which is totally
different. Opposite from my own take, which we're going to get
into. But it's the only reference in the entire film
about UFOs. And to make it even more poignant, the
cinematographer who's just getting started, went on to do
big with with Tom Hanks When Harry Met Sally with Billy
Crystal, How the West Was one with Will Smith and a host of
others also Created and directed the Men in Black Series, which
opened in 1997. The same year, as the Phoenix lights, I said,
just a little little tip of the iceberg of the coincidences, so
many serendipities will, which we'll get into, but the others
are in deputy is that after dedicating my life's work to
vital health issues for the community, when this fell in my
lap, literally and figuratively, right outside our bedroom window
in 1995. I felt obliged as a scientist to collect the data as
scientifically as I could. And then, of course, to share it as
well as a physician to let people know they're not alone.
Even though most anomalies can be explained only a small
percentage cannot. Just because we don't have the technology
yet, to definitively define what these things are. It doesn't
mean they're not real, we might just be looking on an aim dial
for an FM frequency. So it's time we get this topic out in
the open and address it, accept it and study it. So we can find
out not only who's driving these things, but also move forward
and our own evolution. But for me, I knew nothing about this
topic. And here was the night before my birthday. Another
little coincidence, I just celebrated my birthday, February
7, and it was the eve of my birthday. And we live pretty
high on the mountain in Paradise Valley, if anybody's near a
computer, and they want to click on to the Phoenix lights Network
website, which is filled with really intriguing information to
explore and consider and go to the photo page, Phoenix lights
network, www dot the Phoenix lights dotnet. And you'll see
the topography, we're really high on the mountain. And one
wall of our bedroom is a window. So whatever pops up out there,
we have a panoramic view of the city skyline, which we really
enjoy. And planes, helicopters, streetlights, car lights, and we
face the south. So we see the airport, we see everything
coming in and out from there. So we're very familiar with the
lights out there. I was taking a leisurely bath. My husband who
was also a healthy skeptic, when you're a physician, you must be
open to whatever walks through the door. But nonetheless, I got
to see it to believe it right. And he's standing at the window.
My mother in law, My dear mother in law had called to wish me
happy birthday from Philadelphia. We were both
raised and born, born and raised. And he's on the phone
with her and suddenly and he was on several hospital and state
medical boards and nothing ever ruffled his feathers and he
sounded alarm. He said, Lynn, get over here quick, what the
hell is that? And I grabbed a towel ringing with run to the
window. And a little below us. And again, we're nestled in a
mountain range, it gated community, there is no way this
was military and a little below us of a very treacherous desert
landscape with three Amber orbs and a pyramid formation one on
top and two closely align underneath. And it was just
Whoa, what is that? And you know, most people will tell you
when they see something unusual, they don't want to move because
you don't know how long it's gonna last. And my first
instinct because I had created the
video and workbook curriculum was to run downstairs and get my
camera, but I didn't want to miss anything. So I took
everything in mentally, the size, the shape the color. They
were about three to six feet each depending on how close they
were. They were absolutely oval shape. I always said they were
like an egg on its side but they were oval shape which is
interesting, because now that the Nimitz pilots have come
forward to talk about their tic tac sightings and that they're
oval like a lozenge and whatever. It's like well, I
don't know if it's the same thing but nonetheless, they were
oval and I call them an orb because the light did not extend
outside the edge. It was self contained. A uniform amber
lights throughout. And I noticed immediately every light out
there glared, except these, it was very soothing, very
mesmerizing. And I thought if I don't get a picture of this, no
one's gonna believe it. So I run to the closet to grab my 35
millimeter camera that I took sunset pictures of I collect
sunsets, and my husband calls me back, he said, Get over your
quick one of them is disappearing. And as we watched,
and I always go back to this 95 sighting two years before the
mass sighting, because I saw this up close and personal, just
yards from our home. The top orb without budget from the other
two that were closely aligned underneath started to shrink
very, very slowly. Like a dimmer switches, it's difficult to
express in logical terms. You know, looking back, they were
probably cloaking, but nonetheless, like a dimmer
switch the chemically as if there was an intelligence behind
them. And it got smaller and smaller very slowly until it was
pea size and then disappeared. But it still felt like it was
there. Where did it go, I jumped out on the balcony, I get a
picture of the two lower words. And they're on the website.
Anybody who goes to the photo page Phoenix lights Network
website, you'll see those two lower orbs in the lower left
corner, but immediately noticed an eerie silence as if time had
stopped. That was just bizarre. And as intently as I was
watching those two lower orbs, I have to admit, which I did not
for two years delay up to the mass sighting, that it felt like
something was watching me. And going through my mind I was
thinking, who are you? What are you do know that I'm here, I'd
love to be you. The next thing I remember, the left bottom org
started to shrink and cloak just like the top one did. If we go
here, actually, I'd love to show that first picture if we can.
And the typography. If you look on the left side, there left
bottom you'll see a car on the road. That's really significant
because it shows how the light reflects onto the road. Very
unlike the true unknowns, where the light is self contained. And
this picture is important because if you go to the right
of that car, you'll see skylights when our house to the
right there, like a row of lights to the right, right
there. Which is interesting, because they point out the
topography, where if you go straight up, you're going to see
south mountain on the left. And a few miles back you'll see
these stray mountains on the right, and they intersect.
Right. Right above where those skylights are. got that done.
Yeah. Um, an interesting another little story to be, which we'll
get to but I want to get through the the 95 sighting first. If
you go to that first picture, the 95 sighting, you'll see that
there are two orbs in the lower left corner there.
John Greenewald: I want to make sure I got the right one you're
talking about.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Which rows right there. Right there, right
here. Yeah. Oh, I see. There we go. So the lower left corner
there, you'll see the two orbs on the bottom there. Okay, and
you see they don't, they don't reflect onto the road, right.
And to the right of that you see the skylights. If you go
straight up, if you if you shrink that picture a little
bit, you'll see over the city, there's four lights, and we're
going to get back to that. Okay. Anyway, the next thing I
remember the left bottom orb started to shrink, and something
told me to take a picture. And that's the next picture. That
was the only one that turned out at the time. That's last picture
that I took. You got it. Now, you'll see that those lights not
only moved to the right, and you can see the left bottom one is
have disappeared. I can't believe it's miraculous that I
even caught that. And the right one is still there. And you see
the two lights above. Right with the arrow. Yeah. Okay, if you go
back to that to that first picture. And first of all, I
didn't know who to show that one picture to I knew no one who was
interested in the topic. And you know, I consider myself pretty
educated but I didn't know anything about the UFO topic. So
I just wondered for two years what this advanced technology
that's what hit me advanced technology that was had an
intelligence behind it was right outside our bedroom window.
didn't see anything remotely, even close to that for two
years. Now while we're on these pictures, I will tell you a
study that was done a year after the mass sighting. We had
another sighting that some of that footage was talked about
amazing over right through a frog we had straight lines and
mirror images. And the final thing was a giant pyramid in the
same spot. By the way, as you're looking now, I'm at a distance.
And anyway, four of us caught north, south, east and west,
this 1998 sighting. And I had met with very few people at that
point because I just wanted to have my pictures, analyze and
find a logical explanation. And I met with Linda Moulton Howe,
who recommended that I show my data to Dr. Bruce Maccabee,
navy, optical physicist, very well respected in the field. So
I figured, okay, it's time to call him so I called him up, I
sent him the video from the four different people that took this
big sighting in 98. And as an afterthought, and by then I had
another picture of the first and the last picture, I sent that to
him to find out what that close sighting was. He calls me two
weeks later, he says, Dr. Lin, he says, You told me that that
close lighting and 95 was only a couple minutes. I said, right.
He said, Are you sure? I said? Absolutely. He said, well ask
your husband. Interestingly, now he was inside, I was outside. He
didn't want to talk about it. He would get agitated when I
brought up the close seating, which didn't make sense to me.
Because to me, it was awesome and wonderful. And, you know,
you have to realize that everybody comes from a different
background from a different upbringing from a different
belief system. Some people can't deal with this topic. Some
people don't want to, and that's okay. Everyone in their own
time. And if you want to fit into a logical explanation, if
it gives you comfort, so be it. But now there's data. And this
really gets interesting, because he said to me, you've got to
cooperate with your husband and I just sat my husband down. I
said, Look, we don't have to talk about the close citing.
Mind you this is three years later. But how long? Do you
remember the close citing in 95? Being he says, I don't know,
three, four minutes tops. I went back to Dr. McCabe, he says
that's impossible. I said, What do you mean, he said, Look at
the pictures. Let's look at the pictures. Real quick again,
because he was the first to notice that there were the same
exact phenomenon at a distance in the same exact location,
we're going to get to that, that I would also photograph two
months before the main sighting. And subsequently, after my
setting, I'm doing the math as well. And he also noticed that
the orbs, the close orbs moved from the left to the right in
the last picture. Also, he says to me, that's not the most
significant thing. He said, Look at the skyline. Let's go back to
the first picture. Because he says look at the skyline. There
are many lights on and not just individual groups of lights on
in the first picture that are off. In the last picture. He
said, That doesn't happen in a couple minutes. He said I want
you to do an experiment. He was very meticulous in his research,
he said stand on the balcony, approximately the same place you
were standing in 95. Take a picture of the skyline. And of
course, this is three years later. But nonetheless, take a
picture of the skyline one night, every hour, the next
slide every half hour. And I actually did it another night,
every 15 minutes to see when these groups of lights go out?
Well, I usually take a bath between seven and eight. So
let's be conservative and say eight o'clock starting point.
The lights start going out at nine o'clock. The last picture
if you want to go to that one. The second one is indicative of
10 3011 o'clock. And he actually did it again a few years back
for National Geographic show and had better software and saw that
there were more lights that when that were on in the first
picture that were often the last picture and he asked me can I
present this case in the upcoming 1999 Move on which will
UFO Network International Symposium and I said, Hey, Dr.
McCabe, this is your baby, I would have never ever realized
this data. Just do me one big favor, keep my name out of it. I
really wanted to say a lot of it. And he presented the case in
1999 and Washington DC, the move on International Symposium as
the first and to this day the only that we know of
authenticated photographic evidence of missing time. Now, I
couldn't wrap my head around, I still get but be that as it may,
I didn't even put it in my first book in 2004. When I came
forward, it wasn't until 2010. And the reason that I shared it
then, because the response to the book was was just so
phenomenal. And people really appreciated the dedication and
the work that went into what I preach my whole medical career
aside for seven years to find a logical explanation which I have
yet to find. But the point with the missing time is that if that
can open the door, maybe two more research by scientists,
that to show that linear time our view of time is primitive,
past, present and future may not be what time is plus by then.
physics itself has gotten so advanced to say that there might
be 10 or 11 different dimensions out there. Well, if there are
other times and spaces along with ours, then why is it so
inconceivable that there couldn't be sanctioned
intelligent beings in those other times and spaces that we
get glimpses of if we're open to them, or invited. So that's why
I actually shared it. And I'm sharing it today, I just started
sharing it with my cast. But I wanted to let your viewers who
are very sophisticated as you are, with the data, know this
part because this is really important data. Now, we fast
forward two years, we can put a hold on that for a sec. And I
hadn't seen anything, anything remotely similar to those close
lights. And until two months before the mass sighting. I'm
lying in bed. And I noticed out of the big picture window, three
Amber orbs in a row now, totally equal distance from each other,
hovering for minutes. Huge, but there were a distance in the
West. And I thought, wait a minute, they're Amber, their
information, they're hovering for a minute. And each one
actually shrunk from right to left. And I thought, well, very
similar to 95. And I mentioned it to my husband again, he
didn't want to talk about it. He said, Do I still have to go to
work tomorrow, we would make a joke out of it. And the next
night, he was at a medical board meeting. And I'm standing and I
got upstairs and I see out of the sliding glass door that's
perpendicular to the big window that I had stepped out. And 95
the same three orbs are now at a distance but in front of South
Mountain. And I knew they were in front of South Mountain
because there's red blinking lights on the top of the
mountain to alert air planes coming into sky harbor, which is
just in front of South Mountain and I thought okay, enough, I
run upstairs, grab my video camera, I get about 18 seconds
worth the battery goes dead. I run inside, I hook it up, I go
outside, they're gone. My husband comes up to the end is
about eight o'clock. He comes up to drive about 830 and I go
outside I'd say remember, last night I told you about the three
orbs in a in a line for West. Well, let's just half an hour
ago, they were right in front of stuff. And as I'm pointing like
this, they reappear in the same spot. I get you guys. And it was
like whoa, I gotta get a picture. And that's another
little coincidence because in video, it doesn't do the lights
justice. They're much smaller, they're white, they flicker
nonetheless to the train die. The formations are very
compelling. But I run upstairs, I grab my 35 million right get
out to shoot the three suddenly, six lights across NASA span over
a mile wide pop on above the three and it was unnerving. But
not having an explanation for guiding me by I started to
shake. I thought oh my goodness, it's just a mothership or wait.
And keep in mind, I don't think about you. Stuff like that, but
popped in my head. Go to the next picture, if you would.
Thank you. And you will say that, I don't I don't see it.
John Greenewald: It's Oh, sorry. Yeah, I apologize.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: There we go. There we go. Yes. You'll see
that it's wavy because I was shaking. But I kept my wits
about me, thank goodness. And I kept clicking away to second
picture, John to me, and and you're so knowledgeable. To me,
it's a smoking gun. That second picture. If you can go to the
next one. This one, right there is five lights it looks like a
five lights in a V with two underneath 1000s of people now
mind this is January 97. Two months later, during the mass
sighting would describe what they saw whether it was just
lights or actual craft five lights in a V formation with two
trailing lights. This is two months before the mass sighting.
Same thing. And in science, we look for repeatability. Right.
Yeah.
John Greenewald: If I can jump in and ask you one question. I
have one about the missing time. But we'll get back to that. The
the area that you live in, obviously, I'm sure you had
already talked about all the objects that you see. Just to
kind of, you know, cut off at the past. Anybody who's watching
that goes, well, maybe they were aircraft flares as you describe
them slowly going out we see flares, right? And that's what I
want to get to. So you obviously see those two very quickly. Can
you explain to those out there that may have that question?
What is the difference when you see an obvious aircraft flare
and I know this will come I will get?
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Definitely yeah, I know. But it's a great
question because these orbs as I described, the light did not
extend outside the edge, okay, and they don't budge. They're
rock solid. Okay, flares don't do that. Okay, especially at the
time military elimination flares, they drift and drop,
they're dropped from aircraft on. And we'll get to that with a
with a big parachute. And they drift with the wind haphazardly.
And what's significant. And not one person that saw the true I
know, it's called the Phoenix lights describe this, we're huge
smoke trails that are illuminated by the flare itself.
And they're meant to illuminate the area around it, so that
their heat seeking in the missiles that might be coming
towards the plane will seek towards the flare instead.
Nobody ever described any of that. And we're going to get to
that, because there's a very important call that I got from
the Air National Guard, a month after a front page, USA Today
article, but I want to get ahead of myself.
John Greenewald: No, no, that's okay. And that was exactly what
I was looking for. Because it is very interesting to hear that
from you to hear that you are well acquainted with those
aircraft flares. And obviously skeptics and debunkers. They
want to throw that out there, whenever there's a nighttime
sighting of or, you know, have a flickering out light, they
immediately go there. So the fact that you know the
difference and can adequately explain it exactly what I was
looking for. Just really quickly about the the missing time,
which was a really interesting point, I believe and forgive me,
I don't recall the camera you said you used? Was it a digital
camera film,
Dr. Lynne Kitei: I think that's what's so unique about my
photographic collection, is that I was using a 35 millimeter
camera. Yeah, in the negative. That's what's so powerful about
my dad. And one of the reasons I also had to come forward not
only as a scientist to show the data, as a physician to let
people know, they're not crazy, even the most anomalies can be
explained. And also if you keep it inside, people that have
paranormal experiences real to them, and it's it's assessors,
it's cathartic to share it even with just one person as an
experiencer. I knew what that felt like. And as an educator
for vital issues for 40 years. Now going on 50. It, you know,
how could I not share this data. And this is really important
that and that's one of the main, big, big points, the difference.
And we'll get to that I have pictures to show and it's just
the data speaks for itself, the difference between true unknowns
and flares, which is the only explanation that the military
and government ever came up with, and they had to come up
with something we're going to get to that, because it's
amazing how the story unfolded. It's, it's very, it's fun to
talk about it. But it's also interesting to see how the story
unfolded, because if we go to the next picture, and I'll get
through these quickly for you, in this series, and again,
they're in the negative, they cannot be manipulated or
changed, it's in the negative. As I'm watching this head on,
the top formation turned into a V, you can see as the three on
the bottom are starting to disappear, the top formation is
starting to turn. And the last one you can even see that every
other one is bigger than the one in between if we can go to the
next picture.
There we go. And this is all been analyzed by military and
university optical experts. Throughout the years, the head
of the political science department at University of
Arizona took a big big interest in my data and the story itself
and actually got a whole group together a big scientists to to
study this, as well as approximate to do to photography
and Dr. Bruce Maccabee and many others. And what was deciphered
from this is that every other one is bigger than the one in
between so that we might be looking at a VI where the bigger
orbs are the closer arm and the further away orbs are the
smaller ones. Very interesting. Could I and this is really
important. Yeah, I read inside as the ones were disappearing on
the bottom to call the Arizona Republic and say get somebody
out there quickly, strange lights in front of South
Mountain and take some get somebody to take a picture. By
the time I finished my sentence. They were gone. Didn't sleep.
Well that night. The next morning, I got up I figured
look, there's got to be a logical explanation. I call the
Arizona Republic again and asked if anybody had phoned them to
report strange lights in front of South Mountain to get off she
gets right back on. She said nope. Nobody called Well, I know
I called. So I said, Look, we saw something really unusual. He
says sometimes Luke Air Force Base, and this is for the other
people out there that you know, and that's fine. I mean, you
know, there's lots of stuff in our skies now, including other
things, drones and satellites and all but I thought you know
what I'm gonna call Luke Air Force Base and see if there was
some kind of experimental maneuver or something right. I
try to be very professional. My husband and I are both positions
with a mountainside and Paradise Valley. We saw some strange
lights in front of South Mountain. Do you know what they
might have been? And from the get go, she had an attitude. And
she said they didn't come into look out for space and they
didn't come out for me. So they had nothing to do with it. I
said Be that as it may, we did see them and I even got pictures
of them. How can I find out what they were? She said, Well, you
said it was near the airport want to call them okay. Now it
was a mission. I call the FAA told her the same thing. Very
nice girl. She gets off she gets back on she says there actually
was a group of air traffic controllers here last night they
did see some strange lights in front of South Mountain. And
actually they were overclass be restricted airspace. Now, I
could I please talk to at least one of them to see if we saw the
same thing. Again, trying to be as scientific as I could.
Finally he gets back, he gets on the phone. And I met him
subsequently really low key guy. He was more excited than me. So
did you see the society where you go from each other at 830?
Last night? I said, Yes, I saw them. He said actually, they
were three at eight o'clock. I saw them too. And he was
thrilled that I saw them at a distance. When this popped up
1000 feet altitude, they got alarmed. Because there's a 30
mile radius around the center of the airport, anyone that comes
into that airspace, particularly 1000 feet that these were they
must call into the tower and no one did. So they looked on radar
didn't show up on radar took their high powered binoculars to
look and we're talking about professional skywatchers hear
and in his own words, he said there were six points of light,
totally equidistant from each other massive span over a mile
wide, that seemed to be attached to something. But they couldn't
quite see what they were attached to. And he was a
meteorologist and said the entire thing turned as a unit
against the wind and elevated slowly and moved in synchrony
behind South Mountain as if they were attached to something or at
a rock solid forcefield in between. So I said, Well, so
what were they and there was silence. And then he said Beats
me. I said you're an air traffic control. You're supposed to do
what's in our airspace. They ruled out John, every
conventional aircraft, balloons, Chinese lanterns, flares, you
name it, holograms, and even skydivers with lights. That was
one of the things they rolled out. We kept in contact, I
continued photographing these lights and see that's why this
that is really important, because it's two years and two
months before the mass lighting. It wasn't just march 13, which
everybody focuses on, especially the skeptics and debunkers.
Okay, they've got to know and learn, if they choose that there
is an app for how to come forward, there's much more to
this story. Anyway, on March 13 1997, that was just another
night to me. And previously, a couple weeks before my husband's
getting a little annoyed with me running out and taking pictures,
every time I saw these lights, again, the scientist in me, and
I thought, Okay, I've got to start showing the video to my
friends and find out if anybody knows anybody I can show this to
this is how close I was a friend of a friend had a neighbor who
had a friend who's a past president of mu phi Mutual UFO
Network, which I had never heard of before. And he hooked me up
with a field investigator to meet with him on the following
Wednesday, who calls me on Tuesday because the then state
director wanted to be there. His mama pass on Saturday, the
funeral was Wednesday morning, could we postpone? I said, Whoa,
I am so busy for another two, three weeks, I have a little
opening Friday morning at 10. He said, Great. I knock on his
door, he opens the door. The first thing he says to me is Do
you see them as siding last night. And I saw I saw something
very similar to what I told you about two months ago. In fact,
it looked like the same exact thing. And I got video of it. He
says great. Because NBC Why don't help tips for the early
80s. And Phoenix was coming to interview him in a half an
hour's and whoa, whoa. I said first of all, I don't know what
we're dealing with here. Is it military or a hoax, or whatever.
But it's not about me, it's never been about me, John, it's
about the data. And I said take a copy of the video, share it
with whoever I'm out of here. Oh, and by the way, I called the
air traffic controllers this morning because it looked like
the same thing in the same spot. And they confirmed that it was
it was 1000 feet altitude over Class B restricted airspace.
Plus, a couple of pilots called in a commercial airline pilot
who was on departure said what the hell are these lights over
me and a private pilot called in who we're going to get to later
who said that he was on close approach. And so the five lates
in a v which is initially what I saw, too. And when I got out to
the to the balcony to shoot it they had turned or whatever and
I caught this three endpoints of a giant V or triangle. And so in
other words, he was saying it and reporting it well I've only
it which we'll get to later and interesting person who it was,
but I even put it in my book in the original book because I
thought wow, pilots saw it too. And it was overclass Bereishit
airspace. And I said, you know, it was the same exact thing and
I said I'm out of here and I left and four o'clock the first
news that came on in the afternoon I was sitting in front
of my VCR and every you know how they do Breaking News. Every new
station he gave it to everyone had my video up there. It was
really exciting, John to tell you the truth. I mean, having
seen these things and documenting them for two years,
and now finding out that 1000s of people. So what I had been
saying, and and here I wanted to show them what I had seen by the
Nine O'Clock News, a couple other videos came out. Now this
is also significant, because my video and another video in
arrowhead have five lights. Interestingly, Steve launder
another witness. And there were others who were seeing these
lights along with me for a couple of weeks before and he
called Move on up to his balcony and actually captured a kind of
a an arrowhead of five lights. Before 10 o'clock. There were a
couple of boomerang videos, and they've been the ones that have
been under fire for being placed shot after 10 o'clock. We'll get
to that as well. But anyway, on March 13, for anybody who
doesn't know out there, and by the way, there's so much mis and
disinformation out there. I am here today to share the data,
the real time to to set the record straight, because it
wasn't just one or two events, as you would hear in the media.
It was many events and not just for a couple of hours. Yes,
between eight and 10 is when most people were outside that
evening on a very clear, beautiful evening, looking up at
the sky for a glimpse of the Hale Bopp comet when they also
caught a glimpse of a mile. And we learned from Peter Davenport,
for the 20th anniversary, we were in Oregon at a conference
for celebrating the Phoenix lights. And he actually shared
from his data, the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle,
that one of these objects, whether it was orbs that seemed
to be attached to something or actual craft was eight miles
wide. I thought he was kidding. But he has confirmed it several
times after. And not only that it was eight miles wide,
whatever this phenomenon was whatever this UAP was,
John Greenewald: but you witness testimony, or yes,
Dr. Lynne Kitei: he's gotten hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds go to the National UFO Reporting Center and click the
next light. He has pictures and drawings and all kinds of stuff.
It's phenomenal. Plus, not only was it massive, okay, but we're
talking that the mass sighting actually started on March 13. At
3pm. In the afternoon, there were daylight savings in
Arizona, five o'clock hour, there were reports from Native
Americans in New Mexico, seven o'clock hour and beyond in
California, the 10 o'clock hour, there were two commercial
airline pilots who were approaching Las Vegas who called
in and it took one of them she's female, and she took years to
get in touch with me. But and then I found out there was
another one as well. They called into radar to ask what does it
massive craft was covering Las Vegas, and the sightings
continue till 530. The next morning the last report that I
got personally from a very credible Boeing crewman, who
told me that his whole crew was coming into work at Sky Harbor
International Airport and one of these over a mile wide craft was
hovering overhead there, tarmac, so we're talking not only over a
dozen hours, multiple things happening at the same time in
four different states. Okay, so this is data that most people
have no idea unless they read my book, or, or hear me at a
conference or like that. So I appreciate you letting me share
this. The other thing that's really interesting is that it
wasn't just these orb light formations that seemed to be
attached to something or had a force field holding them and
rock solid, either v or Boomerang, or delta or triangle
formations. But there were multiple craft, if you go on the
gap page gap geospatial animation project on the Phoenix
lights Network website, beautifully illustrated by Larry
Lowe, and there's animations there as well. It was a 12 year
study, meticulous study by the investigators here in Phoenix,
two or more people had to see the same craft. And if you if
you scroll down, you'll see some of the correct there were that
No, by the way, there were that shows that there were multiple
things happening that's just an hour happening just over Phoenix
at the same time. And if you scroll down, you'll see some of
the other crafts now whether it was one craft, and there were 10
different craft by the way, one craft that could morph to look
different and they look very different. Or it was the
perspective from where the person was standing, or an
actual parade. And ultimately, that's just keep on scrolling
down you'll see they're very different. And there you go.
That one by the way, that one I found the video and you can see
that each light is composed of three lights. I found the video
from Russia St. Petersburg, Russia Right, about the same
type of us, as we had the mass sighting, with showing a V shape
with every light is three lights. So decide for yourself,
if you scroll down that that is well, there you go, there's the
three lights. And then also what people were seeing were not only
these multiple crafts and whether it was one crafts that
could morph into looking different, the perspective from
where the person was standing, or parade. And if you scroll
down even more, you're going to see, look at that, I mean, just
totally different. There's a triangle that went over a
hospice group. And that's what
our governor saw, we'll talk about that a bit a little bit
later, one of these crafts actually split into and shot up.
Other people saw these orbs, like that one detached from the
main object, go out into the environment, and then read doc
with it later. Is that what happened 95 I'll leave that up
to you. And even after, by the way, after midnight, there was a
pilot out in carefree with a son who saw a disc shaped object.
And just a few years ago, a fella from Prescott came forward
to very, very meticulously describe that what he saw was
and if we go down further, a boomerang, and we have another
witness that also and there's some of the animations for you,
who also saw this boomerang coming over Camelback Mountain.
So there was a lot of stuff to save time, over four states 10
different craft if there were different or maybe it was one
that could more for the perspective. But there was so
much happening and the technology itself, John, I mean,
we're talking the massiveness of this thing, without a sound
totally silent something. So I take off at blink speed with
added in dispersing the air. What do we have now that even
comes close 25 years, since there's nothing that we know of
that even comes close to this kind of technology. And we find
out and we have a recording in our documentary from an alleged
crewman from Luke Air Force Base, who called the National
UFO Reporting Center at 3am. The next morning, very professional,
very detailed, that jets were sent off from Luke Air Force
Base to intercept one of these craft that was hovering right
over Central Phoenix. And we have civilians that saw this
happening by the way, and we have one of them. It's coming up
in our our big, march 20. We celebrate the Phoenix lights,
the Scottsdale heart and Shay theater and she'll be sharing
her sighting of seeing these jets approach one of these
massive craft over Central Phoenix as it got, as it got
close, the lights started to dim. And then the entire thing
blinked out and disappeared, talk about technology and
freaked out one of the pilots who this alleged crewman said
that he helped out of his aircraft. So we're talking about
multiple things happening for over a dozen hours in four
different states and incredible technology. And yet
no investigation. No explanation for months. It was bizarre. I
mean, we were the the elected officials would be a person is
it oh, what something happened on March 13. And we're talking
about rooftop level. Some people said that they could have thrown
a rock at it. It was close, just miraculous data. And yet there
was nothing for months in May. Former Phoenix Vice Mayor
Councilwoman Francis forward innocently because so many of
her constituents you got to her 1000 calls, asked why isn't
there investigation asked for one and she was plastered. I
have to tell you, John in 97, there was so much ridicule and
snickering and discrediting of any of the witnesses that came
forward or anybody that inquired about it. I was very happy.
Because the week after the mass sighting, I see my video on TV
and they're interviewing a fella right in Tempe right near
Arizona State University in a big computer lab, Jim Dell
atossa, who was showing pictures that he was studying on the side
from all over the world for like 20 years of the same exact
phenomena of these orbs and triangle formations from
Russian, Belgium and UK and I blew me away. And that day, I
started to keep a journal. I pushed my whole medical careers
I accomplished that, of course, I defined a logical explanation
and kept a diary every day. Media reports, military reports,
you name it, even talking to witnesses, which we're going to
get to because in real time and long term, just the effect on
them, which is phenomenal. We just let the story unfold a
little bit. I was very happy to stay anonymous after the Warwick
thing because they had little jokes in the paper about her and
all that. Okay. we fast forward June 18. Once later, front page
USA Today article suddenly, people from outside of Arizona
we're hearing about our mass sighting for the first time and
We didn't have social media at the time. And yet overnight, it
went viral. And we were deluge tremie by media from all over
the world. Not only that, but every national Morning Show
Peter Jennings Dan Rather you name it, we're talking about the
Phoenix lights. And the late morning on the following day,
because all the reporters when they talk to the witnesses, they
too were saying their reports are so detailed and so hard. So
why isn't there an investigation? Why isn't there
an explanation? The very next day, the 19th by late morning,
it was a big public announcement that our former governor
Simonton was calling a press conference for that afternoon,
unscheduled, to reveal the culprit of the lights over
Phoenix and people took it seriously. There were media
there, there were parents there. He comes marching out one of the
days with a giant alien head costume and made a mockery of
it, which was really disconcerting, especially for
parents that were with children that saw something two, three
miles wide, and he's making a joke out of it. It wasn't a
joke, especially for me. Okay, I saw these things up close and
personal. And now 1000s of other people saw it I've been seeing,
I called every military base that next month. And they were
more interested in seeing my data. They wanted to meet with
me, and I didn't tell them anything, no details. I just
wanted to know what was going on. They were just Just curious.
In fact, one of them and I have it in the book said well, the
only people that know this or God and whoever did this. That
was his answer. Okay. I get a call on July 24. From one of the
heads of PR their National Guard. Oh, Dr. Lin, I think we
know what those lights were back in March. And I was thrilled I
was looking for any logical explanation. She says Do you
believe that nobody was ever looked at the log for visiting
our National Guard and the maroon when the Air National
Guard was in town sending off military illumination flares and
operation? Snowbird, and you probably know that that means
diversionary tactical maneuvers in military terms. And they may
have sent off some fliers to divert attention away but not
one witness that I mentioned earlier, describes what flowers
do. She said that must be what some people saw. And I said wait
a minute. Um, when was the Moreland Air National Garden
county said March 1 to the 15th. I said were they in town in
January? She said Oh, no. I said are you sure? She said
absolutely not. I said well, my husband and I saw the same exact
phenomenon in the same exact location two months before the
mass sighting plus confirmed the next morning in January. And the
morning after the mass sighting by air traffic controllers at
Sky Harbor International Airport, as being overclass very
restricted airspace at 1000 feet altitude and she says, You never
told me that. I said, besides you're trying to tell me that
flares and I educated myself anything including flares, that
cannot keep information as I mentioned earlier, drift and
drop with the wind haphazardly on a parachute. Within seconds,
minutes, the most of the ground, have huge smoke trails
illuminated by a flare that illuminate the ground itself.
Now one person described that and you're trying to tell me
that flares traveled in a rock solid equidistantly spaced mile
wide V for hours. And she says, I have a call coming in. I'll
get back to you while I'm still waiting, John.
Fast forward above as we've as a board, because it's so
interesting. There's so much more of the story that I'm
giving you the the tip of the iceberg. The big, big things
that happened which 10 years after the mass sighting for
whatever reason, our former governor who had mocked the
sighting in 97 came forward to disclose it, he actually saw one
of these crap. And the definitely wasn't flares. And in
his own words, which other countries I found out, were
saying the same using the same word. It was other worldly,
which is a big step forward. Okay, the more credible people
that come forward, the more credibility to the whole Phoenix
lights mass sighting plus, right after the New York Times had a
front page article about the study that Harry Reid funded $22
billion study of UAP you know, you unexplained aerial
phenomena, and military and government were admitting that
they were studying it. Shortly after then the pilot, that
private pilot who I had no idea who was came forward and
happened to be actor Kurt Russell. And his story is really
amazing in itself because he describes in a UK interview
very, very detailed and terrific interview that he forgot about
it for two years and we have witnesses including in my book,
a psychiatrist for this family that was coming up from Tucson
to Phoenix towers away and one of these craps was right above
their car, and he said the wingspan was was over The the
ground on either side of this giant highway for some time and
he saw the bottom and he also gunmetal and beings at the
windows. I mean, it's phenomenal when you when you hear the
description, they forgot about it to nobody said a word. And
they
John Greenewald: can I interject really quick. How do you forget
about that? Like, I mean, you would think that that would be
just a mind blowing experience that you just would not forget.
Is there some type of psychological explanation? I'm a
you're a medical doctor, is there some kind of of PTSD thing
like what explains that?
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Like I said earlier, some people can't deal
with it. Some people don't want to. What Kurt Russell said is
that he totally he was with his son who saw it. And usually
kids, by the way, were the first to see and I want to get into
that in a second to this big V coming towards him. And Oliver,
he was a more of an adult was a one to alert his dad about this
coming towards the airport. And they never talked about it. And
two years past that he came home to Goldie Hawn, and she was
watching your show and they were talking about the Phoenix
lights. And he said wait a minute that sounds familiar like
a Richard Dreyfuss movie. And he he goes to his log and sees that
that was him that he was a pilot that crawled into the tower. So
yes, there were that is so fascinating. And that would take
another hour to talk about. And I want to get into that a little
teeny bit because we are so inundated with threat, threat,
threat and harm, harm harm from media from the from Hollywood,
that Dr. Gary Schwartz, who's the head of the consciousness
study department, the University of Arizona makes a very poignant
statement in the documentary. He said, if you're just just
hearing about something that you should be afraid of, how do you
think you're going to feel when you see that something that you
should be afraid of? Right? So Independence Day movie was very
popular at the time, right before the Phoenix lights. And
children. As I said, we're usually the first ones to alert
their parents, this giant V was coming towards them and
chatting, Independence Day Independence Day. But as it got
close, interestingly, a communist came over everyone,
adults and children as well, a connectedness to the phenomena
that after it passed, not only does the kids want to run after
it or have their parents get in the car and chase it. But when
you look at the data, it's unbelievable. There is not one
not one credible report in 25 years now of harm, threat or
abduction associated with the Phoenix lights phenomenon. I
can't speak for other things. But I can speak for the Phoenix
lights. If anything, it was just the opposite. People were in awe
and wonder so many cars pulled off the road because they were
curious, I have more people tell me to this day, that they feel
blessed that they had the experience. And also
interestingly, a number of witnesses, including the
psychiatrist that I interviewed told me that they had had near
death experiences as children. That was reawakened by the mass
sighting. And that really hit me hard, because I did too what I'm
trying to get into it, and I lay it all out there in the book.
But I thought whoa, I could could there possibly be a
connection between all unexplained phenomenon not not
only near death experience, but out of body experience out of
body, as well as unexplained aerial phenomena that have
mystical light associated with the experience and lo and
behold, again, just like the UFO phenomena, there's a plethora of
credible data out there. I started looking at university
based studies they Omega Project at the University of Connecticut
Dr. Katherine like a three inch book, as well as Dr. John Mack
at Harvard, the peer Institute, as well as Dr. Bruce Grayson and
Dr. Stuart trembler near death experience experts, they were
all coming to the same conclusion. And by the way, my
first interview a month before I came forward in 2004, was with
Dr. John Mack at the Tucson Medical Center. And he was so
grateful that I presented my data because it confirmed his
data of people that had been contacted or abducted. And he
was writing a book just about this and he wanted me to help
help with him, and to join him in that effort. And then he was
unfortunately, killed in a car accident six months later, but
the point is that the experience itself, whatever the unexplained
phenomenon, experienced near death, auto body, unexplained
aerial phenomena with a mystical light is very, very simple,
very, very similar. And I lay it out very simply in the book,
what I described to you as a timelessness as seeing a light
and the feeling, as if time had stopped and if there was
intelligent presence there and getting getting a message and
not was the same thing. I mean, there's different points and I
point them out, all in the book or Very similar, but the most
profound, powerful
data is the after effect, the profound positive awakening the
enlightenment that happens within an individual who has an
unexplained phenomenon experience, I started calling
them all up, because it is so positive the connectedness that
one feels to the universe, the Earth to each other, that has
probably never been felt by that individual before. And you don't
have to have an experience. To have that positive
transformation, all you need to do is open your mind and your
heart and learn about it. And soon you'll start noticing
serendipities and coincidences, and it's just amazing how it
transformed your your whole life to a new worldview. It's not a
belief anymore, John, and people say, Do you believe that you
have those? It's a knowing?
John Greenewald: Do you have an idea after everything that
you've seen experienced? Obviously, have witnessed quite
a few times? What is then your, from your scientific background
that you've referenced? As you investigated this and wanted to
document it? And and think about it? What are you dealing with?
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Great question. As I mentioned, I don't know
what these are, but I know that they are. And it's time we get
it out in the open and, and we do address it and we do accept
it. And you know, some people won't be able to for a while,
but the data is there. If you want to open your mind and your
heart and your learn about it. And and study these study the
data, that and I think that the military and the government have
been doing this for a very long time. That's a whole nother
conversation. But at least it's out in the open now. And that
snickering and ridicule and discrediting, it's been rampant
for so many years is starting to dissipate. That's the good news.
And whoever did this, and that I can say, Whoever did this, and
we don't know, we don't know, John is an interstellar
interstellar interdimensional, which I saw it up close and
personal. And I can attest to that. Okay, there's an
interdimensional component to this time travelers of runaway
societies, some experts think. And now we're seeing
submersibles as well being presented to the public. And we
know that we see these UAP going into the ocean coming out from
the ocean, I mean, they could have been here for millennia. So
I don't know who's doing it. But I know that what they're doing.
And what they did on March 13 1997, is touch one person at
a time, which I'm trying to do with my own data. But what they
did was wake up one person at a time, to not only their presence
in a non threatening, gentle way. But also to wake that
person up to the potential we have as human beings to what
we're doing to our planet. Before it's too late. And Dr.
Edgar Mitchell, who's in our documentary set the same exact
thing. He actually quotes in the documentary that we are stewards
of this planet. And whoever is doing this is really trying to
wake us up to that, and wake us up to the positive potential. We
have as human beings to make this world a better world. And
if I can be a credible voice, it's not about me, it's about
the data. But if I can be a critical voice, so people
actually look at the data, then I done my job. And thank you for
listening to the
John Greenewald: story. Before I, you know, as we wrap up here,
in the next 1010 minutes or so, or 15, I want to make sure we
cover everything. But one thing that I wanted to talk about and
make sure that I asked you about was that military explanation.
Now you've already went through your phone calls, and their
attempts to sometimes explain it and then later daju just to
throw this out to you. And I want to know kind of what your
reaction was. I kind of know part of it, just because we've
known each other or when we first met, we talked about it.
But I had done a FOIA request to try and figure out what this you
know. Object was in March, obviously, I was focusing in on
the mass sighting the one in March. Not the previous ones.
You were talking I
Dr. Lynne Kitei: didn't know. Exactly. Yeah. That's right.
John Greenewald: Yeah, that's that's what I wanted to say
there was there was nothing else to me to investigate, because we
didn't know. But the march 13 sighting and let me go ahead and
pull up the letter that that I got here. This is from the black
vault comm anybody can just I'll link everything that we're
talking about in the show notes below. For those who aren't
aware with this channel. I will always link over two pages. And
if I ever forget, let me know. But anything that Dr. Keita and
I are talking about will be down below and while you're there,
hit the thumbs up button. It's a big help for this channel. But
that being said, the FOIA response that I had gotten, I
want to read this to you and then kind of just get your
reaction to all of this. This was again the official letter
from Luke Air Force Base. which is at the time back in 1997,
where I was told these aircraft flares came from. And so
naturally any FOIA Requester would go to Luke Air Force Base.
And here's the quote on the evening of 13 March 1997, our
command post and other base agencies receive telephone calls
about the lights that many saw in the sky over Arizona. In the
days that followed. Our Public Affairs Office also handled
calls about the same subject. When queried by the staff of the
strange universe television program. Our public affairs
people acknowledge that callers reported seeing lights in the
sky, but our staff did not state that the cause was aerial
flares. In fact, we don't know where the question of aerial
flares came from. There have been a number of accounts of the
13 March 97 incident that alleged Air Force involvement,
and we have made every effort to ensure that callers understood
that we were not involved in that incident. However, despite
our best efforts to the contrary, we've been accused of
withholding or covering up and the letter goes on. So my
question to you is, and this is kind of racking my brain because
it goes back so many years. But where did that aerial flare
explanation come from?
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Great question. And there's one other thing that
I have to share that I'm sure people aren't aware except the
people right here in Phoenix, number one at the end of that
for you, it says that we had nothing the military had nothing
to do with it. That's what that's got me. Okay. Now we're
talking after the USA Today, article came out. And we were
deluge by media from all over the world. And again, they were
asking, Why isn't there investigation? Why isn't there
especially they had to come up with something. Because there
was just too much talk, it was all over national news,
international news. Whoever came up with a flare theory was
brilliant, because there's a handful of videos from that
night including my own. And it's the blinders and move on before
10 o'clock. But the boomerang video, which was also being
shown quite a bit, had to be put to rest. And whoever came up
with the flare thing was brilliant, because as I said,
the video doesn't do it justice, but smaller, it's white there,
they flicker. But if you look at that formation, it doesn't
budge. In fact, I just posted on Facebook, on the feeding sites
Network page, a study that was done just a few years ago, with
more, you know, advanced technology showing the
stabilization they didn't budge, and one of them actually
elevated and split into. But whoever came up with a flare
theory was was brilliant because people could easily you know,
mistake them for flares. The other thing, okay, from the
video itself, not my 35 millimeter, but from the video.
Another thing that's really important to import and I'm so
glad you brought this up is three years after the mass
sighting. Then Councilman Frank Francis Barwood and vice mayor
of Phoenix, actually was running on Secretary of Secretary of
State to get answers for the Phoenix lights, the lights over
Phoenix and she was asking for a reenactment, which was
brilliant. Show me. I mean, shame on them if it was
military, and they were right over people's heads, and they
denied it for so long. But show me okay, I'm open. Well, we got
an announcement right before the third anniversary. And this says
it all by three national guards. I believe it was New York,
Michigan and California if I'm not mistaken, that they were
coming into town to show everyone the Phoenix lights.
Well, I have to tell you talk about a joke. And if you go on
the news page on the Phoenix lights Network website and
scroll down a bit, you'll see AZ family news. It was a CNN
affiliate at the time, and it shows what they did. They tried
to reenact it, it was a dire failure for them. They tried to
make a triangle it was upside down and fell apart immediately.
A huge smoke trails just flares due to this day. The Phoenix
lights have never been recreated or explained. And yet these
phenomenon continue to show worldwide, the Phoenix lights
have become the most witnessed, most documented, most important
mess, anomalous sighting in modern history, if not all of
history. And when people see similar phenomenon, whether it's
these orbs and rock solid arrays of V or boomerang or whatever,
or actual V or triangle craft, they look up and say, wow,
there's the Phoenix lights. And that's pretty cool. Worldwide.
John Greenewald: What do you feel this will be my last my
last question to you? And then if there's anything else you
want to cover, but what do you think the biggest misconception
is and the biggest piece of disinformation if you haven't
covered it already, about this event that people just don't
understand, for whatever reason, whether the media be to blame,
or maybe just people outside of that particular area really just
don't talk about it, but what do you feel is that single most
piece of it Biggest disinformation that you would
love to clear up.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Certainly the flair theory, people that were
looking for a logical explanation fed right into it.
And there was a show. I mean, there's so much more of this
story. And I get into it in detail on the book that came
into town called anatomy of citing that in August, the
following August, and I have no idea who is funding it. But when
I met with a producer, he wouldn't even look at my data.
He just blew it off. Because I thought it's important for
people to know there's more than this story. It wasn't just march
13, he wouldn't even look at my daddy says, the military said it
was flares they had already decided. And that's what they
did in the film they took and this is what did it to the to
the boomerang formation, that of March 13, they took that video
and try to show that it went behind the mountain. So it must
be flare sent off by the military. And by the way, with
your FOIA report, David Bahnson, also came up with they were
sending off flares that were too many in the plane. So on the way
back to Tucson, they were selling golf players, so they
kept changing their stories with the flare thing. So you know, if
you take that to the back as well, it was very, when the hand
didn't know what the other hand was. A lot of misinformation got
out there at the time about the flares anyway. But just because
it went, these lights went behind the mountain, as I
described earlier, the air traffic controllers saw this
massive formation of lights that seemed to be attached to
something move in synchrony as a unit behind South Mountain. So
just because it moved behind the mountain doesn't mean it's
flares. That's number one. Number two, as far as you know,
fast forwarding to now, and knowing that what happened in
that show, they actually had a report, one of the reporters at
one of the stations actually saw the craft, and he wanted to get
to the bottom of it. And he interviewed Christians, my
Christian who shot duck boomerang. And they did an
amazing, amazing report that I show in conferences now, where
it shows in their show that when he took that footage, there is a
tree on the right side there on his property, and there is a
light on the right side of that tree that's separate from that
Boomerang, that in their program is on the left side of that
tree. So it's just blatantly manipulated to show that those
boomerang lights conformed to the mountain to make the case
for flares. And they showed that show that program aired
Thanksgiving Christmas over and over and over and over. Someone
was making the point. And I even called a producer and I said
look, there's more to the story. And I have other data if you add
this, you know, footage analyzed, you know, I'm open, I
analyze my data. He says well, you know, you know, well, if we
ever get more funding, I'll let you know. So I always wondered
who funded that. But besides the flare thing, okay, um, there's
so much misinformation. Disinformation, too, to just the
timing, okay, which we've gone through today. And I hope that
the people will take a look at the buckets. There's so much
more the Phoenix like A Skeptics Discovery that we are not alone.
I just keep adding chapters. It's in its fourth print. I had
750 Page journal, seven years later that I didn't know what to
do with John, I really did not want to come forward people that
did what just plaster to the wall. I was an accomplished
physician, I went back to work to help put our younger son
through medical school at the Arizona Heart Institute as a
Chief Clinical consultant there and behind closed doors. I took
that 750 Page journal and edited down to 230 pages of the most
important credible doubt every word is there for a reason. And
once I came forward in 2004 I couldn't believe the doctors and
nurses that pulled me aside to tell me their stories there are
so many people out there that have had experiences that that
are real to them. And that's why it's so important to get this
out in the open for once and for all and to deal with it. And
I've added chapters in fact the ebook it has color pictures and
live links because I you know, I'm an educator and I know what
it's like to want to more material so I I put little links
so people can explore also the website Phoenix lights Network
website is packed with information. On the homepage,
the the photo page cap page news page, we have a share page and
just recently by the way, a Luke Air Force Base weather person
that was on that night did contact me to say that she got
many calls and actually went outside and
and I looked at it she saw it and she confirmed as the alleged
crewman did that Luke was on lockdown that night. So there
was so much more to the story and we have the documentary
who's won over a dozen international film festival
awards. We're so proud of that and they can get all this on
Amazon. Dr. Edgar Mitchell Mitchell not only one police
operator came for To say that, even though the police said they
got very few calls, when she retired, she said, they got
hundreds and hundreds of calls. And we have a pilot, a
commercial Vietnam pilot, who saw one of these craft and
looked into what he called a well, a spinning energy. It's
fascinating when you hear the witness reports, and also my
latest is coming from the education background and my,
like, passion for youth education of vital health
issues. I am working on a curriculum and I also actually,
just to show real quick because it's it's a book for all ages.
It's a graphic novel activities coloring book UFOs, the Phoenix
lights and, and crop circles, The Adventures of Su fo and you
fo he GH you ever was little alien. And I work with wonderful
people at Disney illustrator and teachers and students right in
the classroom. And it's 160 Phoenix lights story plus, the
pros and cons, I give all sides. And we have the 10 different
craft to color at crop circles to color. And I picked the most
ornate as well of activities. And we're talking word finders
and crossword puzzles and so forth and the answers for those
of us who are challenged with the answers. And and it's just a
fun book for teachers and parents and grandparents and
kids alike. So we have the trilogy now and certainly the
website and I hope people take a peek. And if you've had the
Phoenix lights experience or something like it, what I'm
working on now is actually another book. Finally, after 25
years to compile the data, how in real time and long term, the
Phoenix lights, anomalies, phenomenon, affected people. And
I'm working with Paul Perry, who wrote the foreword to my book,
he's a near death experience, best selling author with
melhores, MD and Dannion Brinkley and whatever and
really, really trying to get the data out there, how the Phoenix
lights? To answer your question really affected people at such a
deep, deep level, and is so significant, that we really all
of us need to take a look at what happened here in March
13 1997, as rested as lot and the rest of the data as well,
there is so much more to the story, and really compile it in
a scientific way that we show that the impact of the Phoenix
lights will be not only affecting us in real time, but
for many, many more years to come and is probably a stepping
stone to the next step of critical mass being ready to
accept who's ever out there and who's ever behind the Phoenix
lights.
John Greenewald: I really appreciate your time, Dr. Lin.
And and again, I will have all of your links below. But for the
audio version, go ahead and give out your website one last time,
which I assume is going to be the best way to reach out to you
what give the audience that
Dr. Lynne Kitei: people can contact me right on top or Dr.
Lin Dark Phoenix lights dotnet dotnet it's www dot the Phoenix
lights dotnet is, is the website address and it's a Phoenix
lights network just Google it. And we also have a Phoenix
lights network Facebook page, where people I welcome people to
come there share their stories and and I have to say it's very
cathartic and healing as an experiencer I know how that
feels to be able to share the data. And I just hope people
will look at it and decide for themselves.
John Greenewald: Well, I really appreciate your time. Thank you.
I know my audience loves it as well. And probably learned quite
a bit about the incident that we only really just kind of hear
the the the tip of the iceberg too. And a lot of these shows
and they deal with such an amazing amount of data and
evidence in like 90 seconds sometimes when they go through
it and it's probably frustrating for you to see that you know and
have producers just kind of misrepresent the event and not
take care. So I'm glad to have been able to bring you on
there's obviously a lot more to cover. I do hope people check
out your website, a lot of data there, your books and
everything. And on a completely different side note of those
listeners and watchers of this channel know my sonar dog who is
deaf and blind and sometimes she likes to make an appearance. I
don't know if you heard her but she was coming through and I
kept my finger on the mute button as much as I could. So I
apologize if that did come through a little bit loud to you
at times I did try and mute her out but God bless her she just
walks the halls and when she's up likes to make an appearance
and it always happens when I'm recording. So I apologize for
that. But other than that, thank you so much. I really do
appreciate your time and sharing that with my audience.
Dr. Lynne Kitei: I absolutely. So enjoy working with you John
in the past and now as well and, and your audience Thank you
thank you so much for letting me share and I always end it with
keep looking off it's a double entendre now your audience knows
why
John Greenewald: very good well thank you and thank you all for
listening and watching my name is John Greenwald JR and I'm
signing off I'll see you next time