John Greenewald: That's right everybody. As always, thank you
so much for tuning in and making this your podcast or your live
stream of choice. I'm your host, John Greenewald, Jr, creator of
TheBlackVault.com. And this will be probably one of the last
times I preface these either video presentations or audio
stream if you're listening to that with this. Now some of you
or most of you should know by now, I'm converting a lot of the
video presentations that I do into audio podcast versions, I
got a ton of requests for it. I thought, since I was using
visuals, some of you may not like that. Quite the opposite.
It's been a fairly big hit, and people prefer it. So although
I'm still going to continue doing the YouTube videos, if you
are listening to the stream, and you're hearing me point
something out, just know that's why there's a video companion.
It's the exact same thing that you're listening to, but rather
with visuals, if you want to check that out. It's www dot the
black vault, comm slash live and you can view not only this
video, but quite a few others. If you are watching live on
YouTube, welcome or if you're watching the stream, welcome to
you all. It's always a pleasure to have you show up for these
because a lot of times my insecurity takes over and goes
John, nobody's going to want to hear you blab about anything.
But I've received a lot of requests for doing a video on
this particular topic. Now what is that? Well, for those of you
who pay attention to social media, something has kind of
erupted here in the last couple of days. And that is an
appearance of an article from a US Army counter intelligence
agent that has told a story. His story, which I'll get into,
essentially ties into Luis Elizondo to the stars Academy,
Tom DeLonge, and the History Channel show unidentified, he
had quite a story to tell. And what's interesting, at least on
my end, anyway, is that I learned about this in 2019. And
I have kept my mouth absolutely shut about it simply because of
a conviction that you guys know I hold and that is running a
story of solely anonymously sourced information. And I don't
do that. And so for the last two and a half years, I have
essentially waited for the story to become public. Before I were
to talk about it, I did not want to, quote unquote, break the
story. If this particular person the CIA agent wanted to be
named, then I would have absolutely been happy to do
that. Even to this day, they still do not want to be named.
They want to remain anonymous. And I want to deal with that.
First, before we get into the story. Because a lot of you know
me, as someone who speaks out considerably hard about stories
that are anonymously sourced. If an anonymous source is used to
backup information, I got no problem with that as long as the
the information is verifiable. But in the last couple of years,
we have seen this, I would say incredible increase of UFO
related stories that are solely sourced to no one, that they're
just anonymous, and we can't back them up, we get no title we
sometimes hear they're the DOD, senior executive official,
whatever the the buzzwords are, but really no identifying
information. And the information is not verifiable other than the
journalist or the blogger who brings it forward. Well, that
has become an epidemic in itself, where that is just
rampant throughout this conversation. So how is this
different? Because this particular person wants to
remain anonymous. And here I am bringing the story to you. And
it may seem somebody called me a hypocrite on Twitter for doing
that. And I wanted to quickly explain how I felt it was
different. Now, I'm not running a story on this telling all of
you to just trust me, rather, now that the story has been
posted publicly. And again, we'll get into that. Now anybody
can grab that information and start vetting it, dissecting it
in whatever way they want, or can and I'll go through how I
did it so that way, you guys see what I did in 2019. But also
it's available to all of you. So in essence, even though the
person is kind of still shrouded in mystery. I don't know if this
is a 100% definite, but maybe that person's identity will be
revealed in the future. Until then they're anonymous. And with
that, I think that even though there's still apprehension on my
part, I can tell you that they were never anonymous, not only
to me, but now that they have posted their their information
publicly, other people contacted them and vice versa. And this
particular person actually wanted to be vetted by others as
well. So you don't have to take my word for it. There are now
others including a moderator on the popular social media
network, Reddit, who is a law enforcement officer, a
moderators been around for a while, I don't know them. And in
fact, I didn't know them until today, I reached out to them, I
have a statement from them as well. But again, former law
enforcement officer and this particular person who has the
story was vetted by numerous people at this point, and not a
single person has come out and said, You know what, nope, this
guy doesn't check out on the opposite the credentials all
checkout across the board. So this was the post that kind of
created all of the hoopla the subreddit was Aliens. But it got
forwarded to quite a few other sub what are called sub Reddits,
as well, if you're not familiar with Reddit, it's simply like a
message forum, they've got different rooms and stuff like
that. So this particular person have written their story. And
again, we'll we'll dissect it a little bit, but it created quite
a bit of traction. Or it got quite a bit of crap, traction
and created quite a bit of reaction. The subject was I met
Tom DeLonge, and Luis Elizondo, and these are my thoughts. And
so this essentially breaks down his entire story that he has
conveyed to everyone else. Now, I will not go over it in its
entirety, I invite you guys to read it in its entirety. But in
order for me to break down every single character line, and word
would take hours, and I don't want to bore you guys to death,
I want to get through this as quickly as I can. But this story
linked in the show notes below. Or if you're listening on a
podcast, it's in the description. I've also linked
over to my article which links to everything that I'm talking
about. Excuse me. So as I mentioned, before we get into
really breaking down the story, this particular person reached
out to me in 2019, February to be exact, and the reason excuse
me why they wanted to reach out, according to them, was they
wanted to essentially share some information, nothing classified.
And I want to stress that there was never any secret, anything
that was shared, it was never on behalf of the US government.
This just happened to be an employee of the US government,
namely US Army counter intelligence. So I want to
stress that up front that nothing was ever shared, that
was not supposed to be shared. This was just a conversation
between people. He just happened to have been, again, US Army
counter intelligence. So again, he reached out to me in early
2019, according to him, he felt that I dealt with facts and
evidence. And he liked that about the black vault and me
personally felt that it would be a beneficial, you know,
relationship just to share information, essentially talk
UFOs I've met amazing people over the years. And this
particular person when they reached out was not
like an out of the ordinary bad person, you get those red flags
all the time, sometimes people reach out to you go, boy, you
know, this is definitely not going to be someone that I'm
going to jive with. But rather, this was somebody that really
seemed down to earth and somebody I wanted to talk to.
And so we began corresponding. They wanted to share information
and their experience with trying to figure out what the UFO
phenomena was, or is, what a tip was, or is essentially
everything that came along with it. And so that is, that is kind
of the route of the contact in 2019. I'm gonna jump around only
because I won't will not share private communications not only
with this particular person or anybody that I correspond with
without permission. So I'm going to jump to what they posted
publicly. And I will tell you, and I put it there on the top
right corner. Consistency is key. I can tell you after two
and a half years, rereading my old emails with them, and then
reading their story they posted publicly, it's completely
consistent. Nothing changed, no faxed, altered. Generally, you
see that with people that are telling a tall tale. It was not
like what I would call a fine wine story that gets better with
age. I hate those. And it's always a red flag. Quite the
opposite. It was very, very spot on to what we had chatted about
in 2019. So the quotes that I'm pulling are from what you guys
can read it just here to say what happened in 2019 reflects
what they said in 2021. Let me read the introduction paragraph.
I am a US Army counterintelligence agent. This
will be the first time I've posted something on Reddit in
the 10 years I've been here that runs the risk of someone being
able to figure out who I am based on the story I'm about to
tell. But I'm nearly retired. So I think I'm probably all right.
Based on that, I believe that probably the retirement age. And
that or excuse me retirement date, being approaching I think,
probably relaxed him to telling the story publicly, albeit
anonymously, but kind of relaxed a little bit in 2019. As I
mentioned, they didn't want to go on the record, which is why I
never ran the story anyway. But had some great conversations and
learned along the way. But I think now with that retirement
date looming, that probably plays a role. And I think that
that's why he introduced the story that way. Where there's a
quote, I'll tell you, if you're watching the screen, it is in
red, those are going to be the quotes. I've paraphrased some
stuff as well, so you guys can follow along. And again, I've
condensed this. So I'm going to take you back to Thanksgiving of
2018. And I'm going to refer to the counterintelligence agent,
rather than just continually saying, counterintelligence
agent as the OP. That is more of a internet acronym for original
poster. It's quick, and it will allow this to go a lot smoother
for me. So when you hear me say, Opp, that is what I am referring
to as the counterintelligence agent, and his original posts,
sometimes people think oppas original post, it could be
original poster, whatever you hear me say, op, that's what I'm
referring to. So Thanksgiving of 2018, the OP met some people
involved with the old project Stargate that were still around
for him to meet, I'm assuming in the Pentagon. One was a colonel
who provided cover support for the project, Stargate program,
and UFOs were jokingly brought up the OP that asks have you
heard of was then asked to it meaning Have you heard of Luis
Elizondo? He was asked by one of the older project Stargate
people. That was how the OP was kind of made aware of Luis
Elizondo, and Thanksgiving of 2018. Speeding up the story
figured out where Elizondo was at this time he was with to the
stars Academy of Arts and Science. So he reached out and
wanted to speak with Luis Elizondo, he did so the next
day, apparently they had about an hour long, 30 minutes hour
long conversation on the telephone, and they began
speaking one on one and privately
to quote the OP on that experience, I will read what he
says the biggest takeaways from this conversation were the three
questions I asked and his answers to them. Number one,
what made you believe he responded with you know the
videos in the news? The stuff that's still classified is way
crazier. Obviously, Mr. Elizondo is referring to the FLIR, the
gimbal and the go fast. Number two is a tip still a thing
because the media says it's defunct. Mr. Elizondo says it
absolutely still is a thing. Question three. Can I get a job
with a tip as an Army CIA or counter intelligence guy to do
investigations? Luis Elizondo says, Absolutely. We'll set up a
meeting. Now we're going to fast forward to January of 2019.
January of 2019, Mr Elizondo sends a invitation to the OP to
meet at the Crystal gateway Marriott in Virginia, which is
just outside of the Pentagon. If that seems oddly specific, it is
and put a pin in that because we'll deal with it again. But
also that is one of those consistent points that goes back
to 2019 that I was told, that does pan out as being the locale
of this meeting. But stay tuned, because the pin that you're
putting in there, in my opinion, is is kind of a doozy. So Tom
DeLonge was there at the meeting. According to the app
that was unexpected. He did not expect Tom DeLonge to be there
at all. There are also two other gentlemen. They are not named in
the story. So we don't know their identities according to
this story. But they were also there. When the opp arrived.
There was some I guess some irrelevant conversations that he
makes note of it had nothing to do with UFOs or if it did, he
wasn't sure but he says it's irrelevant to this conversation.
So the team, the DeLong Elizondo, and two Gentlemen,
we're already there. And then opp walked in kind of in the
middle of it. I'm going to read a quote. Some of the key things
from this meeting that I want to point out are number one. They
said that they have recovered fragments from UFO sightings,
slash encounters and showed me several photos on their phone of
what looked to be regular metallic slag or melted chunks
of debris. They also had chemical analysis reports they
showed me copies of now I got an A in college chemistry, but
having like 15 seconds to look at these things, and then not
being willing to provide copies. I couldn't tell you what the
hell those reports said or if they contained anything
noteworthy, or really anything indicating these metallic lumps
were from potentially extraterrestrial origin or
whatever. One final thing they mentioned was the supposed
existence of what they referred to as a biological specimen.
When I exhibited a bit of surprise over this Elizondo
pointed to the two gentlemen from the Pentagon and said, they
know about it, it belongs to the US government. This will be
important later. Alright, that's the end of the quote. At one
point during this meeting, according to the OP Elizondo in
the two gentlemen had left the table, I think he was seeing
them out from what I gathered from the story. And that left
Tom DeLonge. In the OP behind, I'm going to read another quote,
during that portion of this encounter, he made the statement
to me meaning too long to the OP, that there were incidents of
some type of creatures coming through portals on Earth. And in
one incident, these creatures used some kind of weapon to turn
a dog into a grease stain. He also mentioned that there was
some kind of cold war or equivalent to the serious
situation taking place between a species of extra terrestrial
that is already here under the oceans, and another from
somewhere else that is currently on the moon. Being that I was
trying to be polite, still in seeking a job with a tip mode. I
listened and didn't really argue or ask a lot of hard hitting
questions, just nodded and heard these guys out. At the
conclusion at this meeting Elizondo set me up with the two
gentlemen at the Pentagon. And I left. That's the end of the
quote, that really sounds DeLonge ask, I know, there's
third party information. But obviously, Tom DeLonge is very,
very well known for saying some very outlandish and unfounded
statements like that. So it really kind of jives with again,
a DeLong ask, kind of story, but take it for, for what you'd
like. Fast forwarding now and the timeline to February of
2019, the end of February to be exact. This is when the OP met
the two gentlemen at the Pentagon.
I'm going to read you another quote. During this hour long
meeting in the Pentagon. We discussed a number of things
first, I obviously asked about the biological specimen
mentioned in the first meeting, they demurred and said, If there
was one, we don't know where it is probably been moved between
who knows how many warehouses by now. I asked them about a tip
and recounted my discussion with Elizondo and the potential for
possibly working with slash for a tip. They explained that a tip
went defunct due to a funding issue, and that though it still
existed, it was currently as of then active, or excuse me, it
wasn't currently as of then active, forgive me. We discussed
some other stuff. One thing which I won't recount because
they claimed it was secret, slash no foreign or no foreign
intelligence. But I will recount the thing they claimed was top
secret, slash SCI or special, compartmentalized information.
Don't get too excited yet. Continuing the quote, they told
me of an incident where an Italian helicopter was literally
shot by a UAP had to make an emergency landing and that they
had obtained this information from the Italians. This will be
important later. Also, for IC professionals, or intelligence
community professionals reading this who might have just had a
mild stroke. It turns out that this wasn't classified
information. So chill TF out. Moving on. The final bit we
discussed which I thoroughly agree with was that in the 1940s
when the UFO craze took off, the US government at the time had to
choose between dealing with the USSR and the start of the Cold
War and or dealing with potential hysteria at home due
to the flying saucers, people were reporting. So the National
Security Council at the time decided to work to debunk,
marginalize and ridicule the UFO slash flying saucer subject. And
it through those initial efforts, continued efforts
throughout the 1900s and via the plethora of fringe nonsense
today. That kept this subject marginalized. That meeting
concluded, and that was the last I saw of those two guys. On a
side note, I agree with pretty much the end of that summation
there about the 1940s and essentially, marginalizing the
UFO flying saucer topic, but that is something else entirely.
But at least that part of the conversation kind of rang true.
Interesting, though, the OP what he would call a run around,
we're getting a run around that he was being told about this
classified information. But it actually wasn't classified
information. In fact, Tom DeLonge had put it on his
Instagram and it showed up on on a later on unidentified
unidentified so it wasn't classified information at all.
But on top of that, the nothing panned out for him working
within the a tip thing. And then on top of that, the biological
specimen that he was essentially teased about, or teased with,
and what I mean by that is kind of like dangling the carrot.
Pentagon says, Yeah, we have no idea where that might be. So now
fast forward to July of 2019. Now, this is another quote, I
watched on identified and this is from the OP by the way, if
you haven't figured it out, I watched unidentified and when we
got to the part of the show where they had filmed that
meeting in that hotel, I was shocked. In my opinion, that was
pretty shady of Tom DeLonge and Luis Elizondo to have that
meeting take place, and secretly have a camera man up on the
second floor of the lobby without notifying us. So that
meeting that I just went over, is the exact same meeting that
took place and unidentified. Now this particular meeting, was
deemed as this here's a closer look of the shot from the show
that these were allegedly anyway, the military officers
that were running the current a tip effort, that's how it was
branded, that got a lot of traction online, people were
really excited. We see that Tom DeLonge and Luis Elizondo are
right there in the middle of it, it very much looks like this
clandestine meeting with with someone in fatigues, and then
what potentially look like to other maybe I can't really tell
if their suits or maybe dress blue type uniforms or whatever.
But regardless, I mean, it very much lended credibility to what
Elizondo DeLong and everybody was doing with TTSA that they
were right in the middle of it. Now, going back, when this
aired, I had spoken to the opp, as I mentioned in February
through you know, maybe March ish, I don't have all the
timestamps in front of me, but regardless, around that
timeframe, and then this aired in June. And I remembered that
the opp and I did not talk for a little bit, and then all of a
sudden I got this message, like I'm paraphrasing, this is not
what the email says. But like, oh my gosh, that meeting that
you saw on an identified that is what I was, that's what I told
you about because he had mentioned, meeting everybody and
and shared that information. Because again, it wasn't
classified, there was no indicator that anything was
classified. So then he sees himself on television, that
there was cameras that were rolling at least one of the
people at this table, including too long and Elizondo, and he
had no idea the OP had no idea. But once they told me this and
that that was the location of the interview, I started putting
two and two together, I wanted to challenge the OP because I
thought, okay, look, I'm always apprehensive about believing
people. And what he's told me up to this point was just about a
meeting and sharing information. And again, we shared some other
stuff as well. But, but nothing, again of a secretive nature or
classified nature. It was just essentially what we all do, or
hopefully most of us do is just communicate with other people
share information, see how we can help each other. But I
wanted to challenge it a little bit. I thought, Okay, what's
this really? Like? Is that really the ops stand in there
and what's going on? I had already vetted the person up to
a point already as much as you you could. I can and I want to
be careful. So you may hear me kind of be a little reluctant
because I don't want to blow anybody's I respect anonymity. I
don't want to blow anybody's identity. What I can comfortably
say is they wrote from a military address to prove who
they were in the beginning.
So the end there was no attempt to shield identity that's always
a red flag for me. So when people come to me and they I'm
not going to tell you my name, I work for the CIA and they're
writing me from like Gmail. That's always kind of a, you
know, a red flag. This particular person had zero
problems with their identity with me knowing their identity
as as You would quite expect they asked me not to share it,
you know, blast out a I'm talking to so and so. So of
course I would I would oblige with that. But they never tried
to hide identities whatsoever. So they were writing from a
military address. On top of that, then there were a couple
other resources that I was able to look at and completely could
verify that they were US Army, counter intelligence, I don't
want to go farther than that, other than I will show you some
quotes from the law enforcement officer that will explain a
little bit more about verification and how that works
and how you look at people's identities and so on. So I'm not
trying to be secretive, but rather, I'm going to let a law
enforcement officer tell you that rather than me try and, you
know, explain every little tidbit to you. So the
credentials had already checked out. But I thought, okay, look,
if this particular person is telling me that they were at the
Crystal gateway Marriott, outside the Pentagon, let's take
a look. So when you watch episode six of season one of
unidentified you'll see here on the left of the screen, if
you're watching the video, a scene between DeLong and Luis
Elizondo, and they're essentially getting ready for
this meeting with as was termed to be the military officers that
are running a tip. And I noticed here on the wall was a very
unique, and I'm not sure if my arrows coming through under the
video, so I'll find out later, I'm kind of doing this
presentation a little different than normal as a test. So I'm
not sure if you can see it, I usually have a laser pointer.
But regardless to left of the frame, if you're not seeing my
arrow is a unique mirror. I think it's playing off of the
crystal part of the crystal gateway Marriott. So it looks
like a bunch of crystals, it's silver if you're not looking at
the video, and it's a mirror circular in shape. So I thought,
Okay, let's go to the hotel. And so online, there's tons of
pictures of it, you can get virtual walkthroughs of the
rooms and conference centers. You'll see here on the right
hand of your screen, the exact same mirror, it was a match. So
very unique design, and essentially, the ops description
of where this all went down, was spot on, you'll also see the
desk lamp and both frames, you'll see that they are
absolutely a match as well, you will see out the window here,
very much a high rise. I didn't bank everything on that fact.
But you'll see it's very, very similar. So essentially, you're
looking at a match on the hotel. If you need more evidence,
here's another shot of DeLong going through what is assumed to
be the lobby of some kind of the hotel. On his way, you'll see a
light pillar slightly out of focus there in the middle of
that frame. Look to the right, here's a from the crystal
gateway Marriott website, I was able to find that exact same
light pillar all the way in the background here. That's probably
where he was walking through. Because those pillars kind of
match. If you look closely, there's TVs way in the
background, you'll see TVs here, I was never able to really
pinpoint if this was where they were, I think that camera person
who secretly took the shot was on this elevator here, or excuse
me escalator here, and that they shot down into this area here.
But that part's a little speculation. On my end, the the
photos were limited. Regardless, there's enough matches to show
this op knew exactly where everything took place. So I was
in 2019, not only convinced of the ops credentials, but
convinced he was there, there was no way that you could get
around it. One of the the other things I'll point out to you.
And again, I'm going to be a little reluctant here with all
the details because I respect the opposite anonymity. But the
physical appearance of the OP is you can tell in the video,
regardless of a blurred face, it is and was a match. So the
combination of all of that for me in 2019 made me realize,
okay, from what I could check out from locale, from
credentials to the physical appearance of the person, it was
a match to who was sitting at that table. And I was a little
mind blown that the scene was misrepresented. Now, if you may
or may not think that that's all that big of a deal. Stay tuned,
because I'll get into why that's kind of a big deal, and why we
should worry about the accuracy of stuff like that. Now, I did
mention the law enforcement officer who also vetted him.
I got a statement from him, I also got an audio recording. I'm
not going to play that for you in this particular video. It's
close to 10 minutes long, but I'll probably do a companion
video for you guys to see. But let me read the condensed quoted
version. And again, I was authorized by this this person
to give both out to you on Reddit, you will know them as
the sublime goose. They are the moderator of the aliens forum.
This is one of the people that was contacted, I don't know the
total number of people, but one of the people that was contacted
to vet the op and this US Army counterintelligence agent, and
this is what they had to say to me and to all of you. Here's a
quote alleged a CIA agent, Army counterintelligence agent
contacted the AR slash aliens moderator team on their own
accord. Given that I'm a veteran and current civilian law
enforcement officer, he was handed over to me for
verification purposes. When discussing what could be used to
verify him, he offered to email me from a military email
address. And while I declined, he provided that address to me,
I'm going to assume that's the same one he was corresponding
with me over as well. While some users wanted to see his CAC, or
the common access card slash military ID, I'm aware that
special agents of army counter Intel are issued federal law
enforcement officer credentials, I requested to see as FLIR
credentials, which he supplied to me, I have no reason to doubt
their authenticity. Although I have not officially looked into
them. They looked legitimate to me and would fool me on the
street, I have no reason to believe that they are fake. In
the audio version very quickly, this particular law enforcement
officer goes into detail about how you know you can flash
badges you can buy, those are dime a dozen online, those types
of identification cards and badges and stuff like that don't
mean anything. What the law enforcement officers point was
here was that he went for something that is much more rare
that it's not something you just go to your, you know, Internet
whatever.com address and type up, you know, what your your
name is, and then they send you an ID card. You can do that with
police badges, badges. It's very scary how easy it is to get
those types of things. And they are just spot on identical. And
it's legal, sadly. But that being said, this particular
person went after credentials that were not so common and
nailed it. So, again, there's a third party verification, you
don't need to take my word for it. Other people looked at him
as well. So why does it all matter? You know why? You know,
I saw quite a few different comments online that number one,
I was attacking Luis Elizondo, and let me let me just quickly
address that. I laugh because I've had many private
conversations now with Luis Elizondo, explaining to him that
these online trolls are completely taking things out of
context. And that if he ever has any questions for me, or wants
me to clarify that I'm always happy to do that, and we've
shared some nice conversations, and I have had the opportunity
to clarify certain things that I think he realized were very much
misconstrued by the trolls out there. So I don't speak for him
and in any way, but I just wanted to bring that up that
this is getting out of control. In the actual article, I
specifically state that I don't blame Luis Elizondo, or Tom
DeLonge. Because in my opinion, they likely may have not even
have known I don't know that for a fact, but they may not have
even known that this was happening, meaning that this
meeting that they were having was filmed secretly. And why I
say that is a very quick preface that I'll give you. That goes
back to ironically about the same time that the OP that we've
been talking about Thanksgiving of 2018 that I was contacted by
the crew of the show on identified now yet again, I
won't share private communications, but I will give
you the quick summation that I was asked to be on Season One of
unidentified the premise from what I understood was just
probably a one episode appearance. And without going
into too much detail, because again, it's a creative thing on
their side, and I don't want to blow it essentially, I think
that they were trying to get Luis Elizondo and I together in
a room at this time, we had never talked, I was trying to
reach out to him. So they were, in my opinion, based on what I
heard, kind of creating this
in again, opinion, a very kind of lame reality show moment. And
I was not down for that I don't do those types of shows. I don't
care for those types of shows. And it wasn't fair. It wasn't
fair to Luis Elizondo, it wasn't fair to me. And I also expressed
concerns about the creative control. Tom DeLonge, was doing
a lot of interviews around this time, that they essentially like
this was their show that they had creative control. I'm
paraphrasing some of his interviews, but he was talking a
lot about that. And I had a concern. It's no secret that
even to this day, some within or all of them, I don't know TTSA
circle, they don't like me. So here was the crew coming to me
the executive coming to me saying You know, will you appear
I'd spoken to a couple different people. And it names or it
doesn't matter. But I can tell you as executive producer level
and then one under, which was the one that initiated the
contact. And so and the reason why I say EP is there's like 20
of them credited. So again, I'm not trying to to point fingers
at people just trying to respect people's involvement. So, that
being said, I had respectfully turned it down based on my
expression of that concern that, you know, here I was signing a
release that they could do anything, because when you sign
those releases, they can make fun of you and you can't sue I
mean, they they can do whatever they want, depending upon that
wording of the release. And I was told back in 2000, late
2018, that Tom DeLonge into the stars Academy, this is the only
thing I'll share that was told to me privately, had no creative
control, that it was a&e networks control. That was very
much in line with what I was used to working for at&t, you
can all look me up on IMDb, I worked for a&e networks History
Channel extensively, for quite a few years, I don't do it
anymore. I run my own business away from the black vault and
away from television. But I've got quite a few credits under my
belt. So that was more along the lines of what I was under the
impression of but with Tom DeLonge, saying, Oh, we've got
full control and editorial approval and this and that that
didn't seem right, because he foots the bills on this unless
it's called a CO production deal. So it goes it spirals on
from there. So that was really my concern that was put to rest.
But I still respectfully declined. We parted ways,
hopefully on good terms. But it just wasn't my forte. It just
wasn't it. So I wanted to tell you that part of the story just
simply because of my next point that a lot of people have asked
me Well, why didn't you get Luis Elizondo his reaction? And
here's why. For the last couple of years, I've been told and led
to believe that they didn't have creative control. So it would be
unfair for me to do this to Luis Elizondo where I run to him and
I go, okay, man, how did this happen? And he's put in a
pickle, he has a couple decisions to make, he answers
me. And I pit him against the executive producer, the
executive team or creative team or ad networks as a whole, I pit
him against them, which is not a fair position. I was told he
didn't have creative control. I don't believe that that was a
lie. So why would I go and confront him about this or get
statements, you know, even if I sugar coated it, that was not
fair to him. And And truly, I don't believe in putting people
in positions like that, because on the other end, he could say,
You know what, John, I, I don't want to comment on this. Because
I don't want to comment period. So then I publish, Luis Elizondo
declined to comment. There's no way to publish a declines to
comment without allegations flying, right. There's there's
just nothing. If I said he wasn't available for comment,
I'd be lying then. So if he said, I declined to comment,
which is actually the right answer. You know, then
allegations will fly that he's covering it up that he knows
it's fake. It was a position that I was not going to put him
into, and it was not fair. So I made the decision not even to do
it. I originally, this was a social media post. And that's
it. But it got lengthy because I went into detail. So I put it on
a page, but no quotes or anything other than the OP, the
story was about the OP story, the experience there. And then I
added kind of my two cents about the production side, because
that's my that's my angle and how unfair it is for productions
to misrepresent the scenes that they're that they're showing on
camera, because if this was, according to the show, anyway,
I'll read you what Luis Elizondo said in the show. These are
individuals that have to remain very, very much protected. There
are extremely qualified people who might trust whom I
personally know that are still running this effort, and it is
being run with official blessing. And that is what I'm
prepared to say I cannot go into any more than that. That was
what Luis Elizondo said and then they led into this meeting. Now,
some of you may think, Well, wait a minute, John, you said
you're not blaming Luis Elizondo yet here. He is setting up the
meeting. Well, here is my good faith. I'm hoping that this is
not true. He could very well have been answering something
else and the producers chose to put it in to make it seem like
this lunchtime meeting that they had breaking from their
production schedule, this could have been just a lunch between
friends, a producer comes down the escalator, film some shots,
and then creates a dramatize scenario in the show. Yet again,
if I bring that up to Luis Elizondo, or Tom DeLonge,
although DeLonge has never returned any of my messages, but
not that I blame them, I probably doesn't like me. But
regardless, if I presented that to them, what are they going to
say? Oh, yes, all this was fabricated. And yet again, you
pit the talent of a TV show against their executive
producers. And whether we all want the answers or not, I would
love to ask, it just wasn't fair. And I made the decision
not to do it. But regardless, that is what was said and how it
was framed. In this interview. I did tag the executive pretty one
of the executive producers that I knew used Twitter. They want
answer if the scene was accurate, unfortunately, and
this is a quote from Anthony Lupe, again, the one of the
executive producers on unidentified he says,
unfortunately, as I've said before, I can't comment on the
show per similar agreements, all producers have with networks.
There was some Twitter banter. I won't go over everything with
you. But I will say this, I worked for History Channel, as I
mentioned, and ad networks quite a bit. I never was ever told I
could not answer a question on whether or not my nonfiction
show was accurately portrayed, or a scene. I've never speaking
on behalf of the network. Of course, you can't do that. Nor
would I nor was I asking Anthony. What I was just asking
was, hey, you guys set this up in a nonfiction show as a
meeting between military officers. Is that accurate? And
they wouldn't comment. So I'm not going to fault Anthony for
it. I mean, hey, with all due respect, he's the executive
producer wants to fall back on the network. That's fine. I have
reached out to a&e networks. I have not heard back yet.
Obviously, we're in the holiday season. So who knows when or if
I will get a response. But I have done that. Just haven't
heard anything? Will they comment on a 2019 airing of one
of their series? No idea. So we'll we'll cross that bridge if
they ever respond to it. But I will say and let me switch over
because again, this is just kind of a new way I'm doing things.
I'm going to play a video for you guys. This is one of the
other executive producers of the unidentified show are credited
as an executive producer. And we'll hear what he has to say
about accuracy and telling people the truth
Unknown: from a lot of citizens who have questions, but usually
they just don't talk to them. They just ignore them. Somehow
you were able to not not only get people on the phone, but get
people on the record and start really getting stuff out to the
public that had never been available for and that's is that
just due to your sheer tenacity,
it really kind of was I basically the very beginning of
it, I was playing a lot of very important people off each other.
It was really kind of funny, I was just making things up like
I'm talking to so and so and I go to that guy, well, hey, I'm
talking to so and so. And you were talking to anybody who kind
of was was more like handshakes and hellos. You know, so they
believe you were talking to somebody else. So they thought,
oh, it's safe. It's legit kind of, I mean, they hear from
John Greenewald: a lot of so that is Tom DeLonge. Again, the
executive producer of the unidentified series, obviously
the creator of to the stars Academy. Obviously, he was
laughing about it. And he was telling about how, in essence,
he was telling stories that weren't true in order to get
somebody to speak with him. He was telling them something that
wasn't true or only partially true. Very much echoes what
we're talking about today in that unidentified series. Now,
I'll say it again, I don't just by default, blame them. But
that's his mindset. And that, by the way, was from Kay rocks,
Kevin and bean show, or at least they were on K rock, I may be
wrong. Now. I'm in LA. So they were in LA for a long, long
time. But they're Kevin and Bing. And so he did that
interview in the last year or two. So that's his mindset, if
you want something that he will fabricate or misrepresent
something in order to get it. And it's funny the reaction of
some people online about that, because I posted that video,
same clip I played for all of you on Twitter. And it's funny
to see the reaction because a lot of people go Yeah, I mean,
it's just for him. It's it's it's a game, you know, it's it's
not truthful, and how do we know what to believe? For others?
They were cheering it on, you know, and they're saying, yeah,
go Tom, you know, give it right back to the government. They've
been lying to us. So let's lie to them. Who cares? We get what
we want. In that respect. I don't think the ends justifies
the means. But I think that that brings up a whole different part
of this conversation. That's very frustrating for me to bring
up. But I think it has to be said, especially with this new
story that we've been talking about where a US Army counter
Our intelligence agent comes out and says, Hey, I was the one
that was sitting on that table. I'm not a military officer
running a tip. This was a lunch hour break meeting in a hotel
lobby with Yeah, two people from the Pentagon, but totally not
what we were led to believe. We can't just dismissed that
because it's a television show. And there's creative license, I
saw a lot of that, well, who cares? It's just TV. Well, this
isn't an isolated incident. And I think what people are doing
right now, which for me, is kind of frightening as we live in
very exciting times, and the Jilla brand Amendment and the
NDAA passed, and we potentially are going to be getting more UFO
information, and hopefully, some transparency. When you build
that that house of cards on a rocky Foundation, what's going
to happen? I mean, eventually, it's going to collapse. You look
at the mid to late 60s and Gerald Ford's push for UFO
transparency and scientific scrutiny and so on. And we ended
up at the Condon report, and they shut down all UFO
investigations for decades upon decades, could stuff like this
play a role. And again, it doesn't just end with the
television show, because it goes much, much more. And I think
people are moving the goalposts when it comes to some of these
stories that as new information comes out, and essentially
rewrites the old story that we were once told was the truth,
that they move the goalposts and go Well, well, that doesn't
really matter. Oh, Tom DeLonge lied to those. That doesn't
matter. He's not lying to us, he lied to them. And that's okay.
You know, and those types of
there's no other way to put it, those those efforts to move the
goalposts are a problem. And I'll give you a prime example.
When this will get some, this will get some feathers ruffled
for sure by some people. But I will continue talking about this
because I think it's more important this entire issue has
gone on since day one. And I remember when, when the
information about the videos came out. And you'll see here
with the screenshots on the screen, every one of those
videos per to the stars Academy. And again, kudos to them for
bringing them out. They were saying that they were they went
through the official US government declassification
review process and approved for public release. That's how they
were framed in December of 2017. And go fast in March of 2018.
That there was and you'll see here by the second screenshot,
this content has chain of custody documentation to ensure
preservation of its original condition. For those who have
watched the black vault for a long time, you'll know I had
huge problems with all of those statements, because none of it
made sense chain of custody wouldn't even apply in this
instance. And there was no indication that anything went
through the declassification process, especially after the
paperwork leaked out. Once it was released via the FOIA. We
realized none of those statements were true. Nothing
went through the declassification process.
Because not to get technical, it wasn't even classified to begin
with. But on top of that, it was considered for official use only
and was only supposed to be used internally. Everybody hated me
for that. And yet it turned out to be true. In fact, the Air
Force Office of Special Investigations did a full
investigation on this. We didn't know this until years later,
what was their conclusion? That stuff never should have been out
and never given to the media. Then we have Christopher Mellon,
he says quote, this is a case where somebody bent the rules a
little bit and they did so for the larger good. And we are
absolutely all better off because of it while going
through a declassification process with chain of custody
information is not bending the rules. That was a lie. So who
bent the rules? Some people think well, Luis Elizondo did
all of this legitimately. Well keep in mind, he told me he
played no role in it. And I was pretty floored in that section
of my interview with him because he told me that when he filed
this form here, the DD Form 1910 I received this under the
Freedom of Information Act. You'll see here it may be hard
to read that essentially it was for US government internal use
only. And that was it. And he told me it was never meant to be
given to the media now I was surprised he was with to the
stars Academy December 2017 to the stars Academy obviously was
involved with the New York Times article. And he told me that he
wasn't not only wasn't the one that provided it to the New York
Times in this particular interview, but he also couldn't
recall if he was even aware that to the stars Academy had the
videos. Now if he didn't give it to them, and I'm not saying he's
lying, but if he didn't give it to them who did if Luis Elizondo
filed the paperwork, and we were told everything was on the Up
and up. But now Luis Elizondo is saying, Oh no, this was for
internal use only Chris Mellon got it. And he also says in this
interview with me that he doesn't want to know where
Christopher Mellon got it so he doesn't ask. So So according to
Mr. Elizondo, he has no idea who gave the information to
Christopher Mellon. That also was a surprise to me. Then where
did this come from? Who else is orchestrating this? Now some of
you may not be aware, but there was a Christian what they call
the Christopher Mellon leak. And it wasn't even really a leak. It
was just stored on his web server Christopher melons
website. And somebody I believe his name was Twitter Jay, he was
known as not a hacker. It was nothing illegal. They were just
kind of snooping around a little bit and stumbled on some files.
While on there were the likely CD or DVD discs with the
unclassified DoD envelopes. That was given to Luis Elizondo from
an AR SX likely inside the Pentagon. Chris Mellon is a
handwritten here at four o'clock 1600 hours on 972 1017. So if
Louise Elizondo didn't give it to Chris Mellon, where did this
envelope come from? That somebody take it from Luis
Elizondo something doesn't make sense here. But again, it plays
into this whole thing. This isn't just a television show.
Who cares? A scene was misrepresented. No, this goes on
and has gone on. Since day one of since a tip has come around
another example. I'll give you guys as a full presentation I
recently did on skinwalkers at the Pentagon, and how the entire
a tip story, the narrative that we respond in from the New York
Times, and politico was wrong. quotes from the book say quote,
unfortunately, the A tip deals presented in these articles and
news programs were actually those of OS AP, and in fact,
many of those details themselves were an error. Another quote,
one of the purposes of this book is to correct the record. In
other words, Politico New York Times infamous for breaking the
story. While according to James McCaskey, who was the director
of the OS app program, Dr. Calm Kelleher, who was a government
contractor through bass, and George Knapp, who is a
journalist. They're all saying that all of that was wrong. Do
we believe them? Now without actually blaming Luis Elizondo,
in my opinion, they throw shade has direction and say the main
source for The Times article was Lou Elizondo, who had recently
resigned who had recently resigned from his Pentagon
position, and join TTSA and Director of Global Security and
special programs.
Well, if you're saying that the article is completely wrong, and
then you say, here's the main source of it all, aren't you
saying that the main source messed up times two, because
they're saying both the New York Times and Politico? I'm not
saying Luis Elizondo was wrong, I'll be honest with you, I shy
away from the McCaskey book and lean towards Elizondo more,
because at least he hasn't wavered. At least he's been
around for a while. Now we get a new book, and all of a sudden,
we're supposed to question everything, that that doesn't
make any sense to me. So I believe, for whatever reason, it
is not just a scene and a TV show. And it messes people up
the investigators like you like me the curious minds to try and
figure all of this out. Because when you see information that
according to unidentified as officially sanctioned, you know,
in these meetings, secret meetings are taking place in my
world, in the investigative world that's called actionable
Intel. All right, I know that's probably intelligence, community
phrasing. But I use that in a research sense as well. Anything
that you can track the paperwork around, is actionable Intel to
me, and I will be all over it. If everything is all muddy,
watered, and, and completely skewed, away from the truth.
It's a waste of time. It's a waste of resources. And it's a
waste of how far we actually have come with this particular
topic. And if we continue down this route, again, I go back to
the 1960s, where you get congressional hearings, or you
get a congressional push for transparency, you get whatever
you get, but in the end, it's the Condon report, then what the
heck is the point, which is why accuracy matters, which is why
we should get the facts. I created this massive timeline,
which I labeled navigating the twisted maze of the ATEP
timeline, literally put points over the course of a couple of
years. To show how confusing and conflicting all of this is. Now,
as I record this drastically needs to be updated. But
regardless, you can actually see and I'll point out one last
thing to you, is simply the relationship between eight Tip
and OS app and what was it? And I can tell you that the US
government, Luis Elizondo Dr. Hal put off. And now Dr. James
McCaskey as of the last couple of months, all have varying
definitions for what ATA what OS app was, what a tip was and what
their relationship was. They're all different. Yet all four of
them are all the insiders. You've got the government, which
is the ultimate inside. You've got Luis Elizondo, who said he
headed a tip. You have Dr. James McCaskey who says he headed OS
app, you have Dr. How put off who says that he was the head of
the bass part, the private sector part of OS app. And then
in the book, you have another thing called BASS OS app, or OS
at bass, or whichever way it is, of those documents. So not dia.
So what is all of that? Right? And people wonder why I make
full videos about how confusing this ultimately is. Is that the
intent though, when I told you about how much of a waste of
time it is, we should call out television scenes between
military officers that are fake? Because if that all is
fabricated, I hope that those that were involved with that
speak out why? Because we need to hear it, we need to
understand that that is not what this field needs. But then on
top of that, we need the real facts. Why can't we get them?
Why can't the government insiders, those that were
intimately involved in all of this? Agree? Why does one
insider blame the other insider For ultimately, the mainstream
media getting the root of all of this wrong? Is the house of
cards going to shake a little bit? Is it going to fall? I
don't know. But all I can say is how frustrating and time
consuming. It actually is to sift through all this. And I
kind of wonder is that the point? Is it the point to get
people so frustrated that you rather just sit back and take
whatever information that bleeds to you true or not? partially
true, who cares? But at least you're not pushing for answers
anymore. And you essentially leave the cover up. Alone. I'm
not in the disinformation camp or Siam gossip camp, I know that
that's been around for a while I'm not there. But it starts to
make you wonder after all of this piles up, and I could keep
going but I'm already at about an hour here. I could keep
going. But it piles up about the crap that has spewed out there.
From all corners of the story from the heroes and the villains
of the story alike. And yes, to many on the villain. But
regardless, the the crap that has gone out there that is
spewed is ridiculous. It really is. And I put myself in that
category. I was making this video and going I don't want to
I don't want to do these asabi Tip videos anymore, but you just
have to because there's so much that that comes out that you
just have to you have to digest it, you have to deal with it,
you have to understand it. Because if you cherry pick the
information, and you only allow people to see certain things or
you you deny yourself from seeing all the evidence, what
are you involved in the conversation for anyway, your
mind is already made up? And I truly like I was doing this go
on. I says this is so tedious. But it does make you wonder, is
that part of the plan? They get you so set on a certain
narrative, and then you get comfortable with it. And then
another curveball comes skinwalkers at the Pentagon is a
prime example. I was so set that that a tip and Luis Elizondo and
$22 million. All be it I have a lot of unanswered questions, and
there's a lot of red flags still, at least you start
settling into a narrative and you keep digging at it. Then all
of a sudden over here a brand new book comes and goes, Yeah,
New York Times wrong. Political wrong. $22 million. Now he
didn't get it. We did over here. He was a small effort. We were
the real one. So just when you're getting comfortable with
what's over here, regardless of you agreeing with everything, at
least there's a comfort level because you've heard about it
for three, four years, then something else comes and for the
good old prices 1799 They turn everything upside down. And that
is incredibly frustrating, but it makes you wonder whether or
not it's intentional. I'll leave you with the words of the op
going back to his story and a quote that I think sums it up
nicely though, although strongly worded, it shows the confusion
and how hard it is to really unravel this. He says quote, I
don't know exactly what their entire angle was slash is
meaning TTSA Luisa, that entire meeting everything, I don't know
exactly what their entire angle was slash is regarding all of
this, their publicly stated stances one of disclosure, but
the way they interacted with me, and the run around I experienced
in the effing Pentagon put a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not going
to sit here and call their entire endeavor BS, because I
don't think on some level it is. There are too many stories from
the witnesses they interviewed for it simply to be complete
nonsense. But I have maintained from the beginning, that
something is a bit off, especially with the way Elizondo
his involvement started, how he went out how he went about all
of this, and the nature of the subject itself. Personally, my
first thought was that this was all a giant smokescreen, and
part of some kind of deception operation, the US government is
running to cover up for something else, what that could
be. Who knows. That's a US Army counterintelligence agent. I
think he sums it up nicely. I think he obviously has a bad
taste in his mouth. And maybe he is still trying to figure this
out as well. And maybe that's strongly worded against
Elizondo. Personally, I'll leave all of that up to you to decide.
But look what happened to him winding up on television, by the
way, he had to file a report to his local field office, about
hearing, quote, unquote, classified information. That
turns out to likely not be classified, but it winds up on
Tom DeLonge, his Instagram account, and on television. So
he goes into that as well about having to file a report and
having to make note of the fact that he shows up in uniform at
what should have been a private meeting. And cameras show up,
unbeknownst to him, but he had no knowledge of it, until he
wound up on television. So what do we do with all this? Is this
guy telling the truth? Is he just an anonymous disgruntled, I
didn't get my job. So I'm gonna come out guns blazing more than
two and a half years after it happened? I really don't know.
All I can say is, is this as a small piece of the puzzle in a
much bigger picture, that this charade whether or not it's
orchestrated by former government employees, former DoD
employees, former counter intelligence agents, the
government itself, I'm not really sure. But whatever is
being orchestrated here. It's not healthy. And it's
cultivating a certain percentage of people, not the majority, but
a certain percentage of people involved in this movement that's
inching closer and closer to violent rhetoric.
Now, that may seem like a left turn from what we've been
talking about for the last hour or so. But I think that with
this counter intelligence agent coming forward, it's showing us
that the games are not just on UFO, Twitter. They're not just
on Facebook, they're not just in these small chat rooms, that
whatever game it is whomever side you choose, it doesn't
matter. To me. My point is the same. It's getting dangerous.
Where former and or current military, and civilian personnel
within the Department of Defense and the Pentagon are
essentially, we'll call it warring, that they are going
like this towards each other, that they're angry that they're
speaking out against each other. This is going deeper, and
getting Messier. And I'm seeing rhetoric change from voices that
that I won't, I won't name I don't need to, I don't need to
make anybody look bad. But rather, I hope that you all
notice that minority of those that are out there that is
slowly growing in numbers, and volume. And using phrasing, like
going to war and preparing for battle and that type of
phrasing. What's What's sad is that you hear a lot about like,
let's say q and on online, and you see the January 6, whatever
you want to call it, insurrection, Riot, whatever.
And then you work backwards and you see the language that they
were using going up to that and you see a lot of the same types
of phrases. And I hate to use that comparison, but this is the
frightening part that if you remove Q anon and put you follow
G in there, we could potentially be getting into a dangerous area
by yet again, a small but growing number of people. I've
talked about the death threats that I've received, doing the
black vault and doing what I do, but that's just a small and to
be honest with you kind of you irrelevant situation, the bigger
picture is people are getting violent. And it's all stemming
from these games of charades. These, these stories are
infecting people to a point where you get you get so
involved. In it, I've used the LARP terminology to describe a
lot of this a live action role playing game. You look around,
and this is what's going on. And you look at the types of
comments from people just on social media. And you see that
although some people just get mad, and they get angry, and
that's fine, that's not what I'm referring to. But some people
just get so worked up, they are getting borderline violent. And
that's what's scary about this entire situation, we need to
just take a step back, we need to deal with the facts, we need
to deal with documents, we need to deal with verifiable
testimony. And we need to deal as much. We need to deal with as
much as the of the evidence as we can. But instead, there's
just faction that's growing, that doesn't care about the full
of the evidence, the totality of it all. They only care about the
small portion that agrees with their already made up my mind.
And that's the problem with stories like this. I'm not here
to tell you that this counter intelligence agent is 100%
telling the truth, and we should, you know, dis disbelieve
everyone else involved. I'm not saying that what I'm saying is
the waters are getting Messier. They're getting muddier. It's
getting more worrisome. Because it really is
creating an issue in the grander picture. And when I go back to
that LARP, the live action role playing game, you look around,
you look at some of these people, these factions that have
formed these teams, and you have the villains, and you have the
heroes, and you have the Warriors. And you have all these
different groups that are playing the game. And this is
where it's getting dangerous, whether or not you believe this
CIA agent or not, for him to have to go and create the case
that his work because he's allegedly hearing potentially
classified information, and then it winds up in a TV show or on a
rock stars, Instagram. So that has to, again, force him into
doing that. I don't have any reason to disprove that at this
point or disbelieve it. And I have no way to disprove it or
even prove it, let's just to operate off the assumption for a
moment that it's real. That's what we've gotten to that people
within the United States government and those that used
to be within the United States government are creating these
types of scenarios with games of charades. Again, it doesn't
matter which one is right or which one is wrong. You can't
look at this and say one of them is not playing a game of
charades creating these storylines and these false
narratives, whether it be through an anonymous person, a
named person on Reddit, on Twitter, it does not matter. But
this is getting dangerous. The rhetoric is changing. The
rhetoric is getting stronger. So I go back to that, you know,
warring phrase ology that people are using preparing for battle.
This isn't battle. This is a conversation. This isn't
something that we need to take up arms over. This is something
we need to discuss. This is not something that we have to
prepare for battle on. This is just something that we need to
enlist the help of those smart minds that need to be involved
in the conversation. Some people ask why I get passionate, like,
who cares about this? Well, we need to look at the totality of
the evidence, all of it. We need to separate the wheat from the
chaff, we need to figure out who's telling the truth and
who's not. Because the moment you omit the information that
may or may not challenge your beliefs, you're skewing it to a
biased mindset your mind's already made up. So if you don't
want to hear what may ultimately be BS, but it scares you to the
point of sending people nasty messages and HOW DARE YOU and
you try and attack people's credibility and I've had people
go after me on a personal level against my business. It has
nothing to do with the black vault UFOs UAPs the government
FOIA nothing, people pulling up public information, but trying
to dox me thankfully, my address is public, but their intent was
malicious. That's wrong. We're in a stage here that this whole
game needs to take a step back. And even though I don't single
handedly aim to change it. I believe that more people should
learn to speak out and speak up. Like I've said 1000 times in
this video, I don't blame Luis Elizondo or Tom DeLonge. In
fact, if I had to bet money, I would almost guarantee that they
just were not even aware that the secret filming was going on.
But those are the types of voices that need to speak up.
The silence doesn't help and in my opinion, because this goes
well beyond a TV show, this goes well beyond Twitter, this goes
well beyond all of us. This is something much bigger, but until
we learn to deal with each other, and until we learn to to
understand the importance of actual evidence and being able
to listen to one another, this conversation isn't going to go
anywhere, doesn't matter if there's a Jilla brand amendment
congratulate congressional mandates, legislation, another
Lewis Elizondo come out, it doesn't matter. None of that
will be relevant. If the people can't deal with each other, then
all of this is kind of pointless. So I go back to
dealing with all of the evidence. And I think as a
closing here, I just want to say that that's what we have to do,
we have to not be afraid to challenge our beliefs and
challenge our mindset. And once we're comfortable doing that, it
doesn't matter what evidence comes our way we can deal with
it, dissect it, vet it, take it for what it's worth, if it's
something worth saving great, if not toss it and move on. But the
reaction that I've seen to this story in the last two days, has
been incredibly telling. And it goes to why I say when I created
this video, how I just don't want to do them anymore. Because
why? To what extent, I would have 300,000 times the followers
and make 100,000 times the ad revenue, which isn't a lot let
me tell you, but I would multiply it 100,000 fold. If I
just told you guys what you wanted to hear. If I just
stopped trying to dissect information, show you the
evidence, figure out what's real, try and separate the wheat
from the chaff. If I waved goodbye to all of that, and just
dealt with what you guys wanted to hear.
I could retire I bet. But sadly, that's not who I am or who we
should be. And the last 48 hours have really showed me that on
social media to where they don't want. Some people don't want to
be lied to. They want to chastise the government for
lying. And yet I showed them a video where Tom DeLonge, who has
been preaching so many things in the last few years, it admits to
fabricating stories. And those same voices cheer him on and
say, All right, yeah, that's what we need to do. Wait, what?
None of that makes sense. So I hope that that makes sense to
you. And I hope it shows you why I do what I do. And even though
I feel that this may be my last eight tips, slash OS app related
video until something new comes out, I'm sure something new will
come out soon. And we'll have to do it all over again. So I'm not
going anywhere. But I can tell you that frustration is
incredibly, incredibly hard to deal with. In situations like
this, we should be having a conversation. But instead,
people have created these factions, these warring
factions, and that is more damaging than debunking or
skepticism, or anything else, we should deal with all the
evidence, we should deal with all the facts, we should sit
down, learn to discuss and go from there. At least that's what
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