John Greenewald: Missouri, it's the 19th most populous state in
America, and it boasts more than 6 million residents. But hidden
within its nearly 70,000 square miles, is an area known as
Marley woods, but its exact location remains a total
mystery.
Ripe with paranormal activity, it rivals that of the more
recognized Utah location known as skinwalker Ranch. Though
Marlee woods, unlike the Utah location, which turned into a
History Channel television series has stayed away from the
TV cameras and any widespread notoriety. Ted Philips, a
pioneering legend within the UFO field, spearheaded the research
into this mysterious location. Although now passed away, his
protege, and my guest today, Thomas ferrario continues to
hunt for the truth. He's here to step into the vault and explain
some of the darkest, deepest and most frightening experiences
that he and others have encountered while there. And
some of those experiences may have even left a lasting
physical effect that will be with him for the rest of his
life. Stay tuned, you're about to take a wild ride inside the
black ball.
That's right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for
tuning in and making this your podcast or your live stream of
choice. I'm your host, john Greenwald, Jr, founder and
creator of the black vault calm. And today is going to be an
exciting show, because I get to explore a topic that I've known
about for a long time, due to my friendship and relationship with
the late Ted Philips, but also my friendship with my guests
today, Tom ferrario, who was one of the main researchers that
worked with Ted's Ted, on his work on what's called Marlee
woods. Now, we'll get to that in a minute. But Tom, thank you so
much for joining the show.
Thomas Ferrario: Oh, well, thank you, john, it's good to be back
with you again. And we did all have a connection there for a
while we work together. And it's good to be here. And of course,
it's good to be anywhere right now. I'll tell you.
John Greenewald: Yes, it certainly is. Well, I've been
wanting to do a show with you for a long time. You and I have
known each other for many, many many years and and I've
respected you guys. Not only you but to but the team that you
work with simply because you go for the science, the nuts and
bolts, the evidence, and you really just kind of dig in.
You're not in it for the the glitz and glamour and that that
has always stuck with me over the years. And I've always
appreciated that about you. Let me get you to give my audience a
little bit of background, how did you get into UFO research,
paranormal research and why
Thomas Ferrario: I actually started in personal experiences,
and I live in a rural community. And through my experiences and
people reaching out to me and in a small community is taken very
seriously. You know, people do not go around talking about you
follow the UFOs what they've seen or experience. And when you
get to be a trusted individual in that community. Let me tell
you, there's a lot more experiences nationwide than you
can imagine. And then I talked on a Sunday afternoon, I get a
call to move on and contacted Walt Andrus, which at that time
was in St. Louis, one of the co founders have moved on. And I
spoke with him two hours on the phone and through my speaking
with him, he just he thought I should be in the move on should
get some training. And he assigned me to get some training
and connected me with Bruce Whitman. Very great individual
was state director for a movement in Missouri for many
years. And I know you're, you know, Bruce well, and but Walt
actually made me a section director on the phone. And when
I contacted Bruce the first time, Bruce actually said, Well,
first of all, I don't know who you are, and you're not even and
move on. You can be a second director. So I said Well, Walt
Andrews assigned me and so Bruce called him and we had a meeting
the three of us and got me some training when you signed me with
a gentleman named Jim cross, which was an Air Force captain
in St. Louis, which I went out on cases with him. And Jim was a
very nuts and bolts man also, he was a photographic analyst, also
on the jet pilot. And I learned quite a bit working with Jim and
then with Bruce, of course, but that's my background. And then
that went into working with Bruce on conferences. and fun. I
will tell you from the first lecture I heard, Jed and Phil
have spoke at I was just amazed and blown away by the man and my
dream was always to work with him. So I would send him letters
and I finally got to meet him at one conference that we were
working. And I offered my services to Ted and I was an
electrician and work as an electrical engineer for some
powerboat companies and along the way and, and Chad said,
Well, he said if you're serious about it, let's see what you
got. And so I that's how we met our first relationship was that
a practical one I I did the wiring ran wires and foot
cameras and Marley Woods up on windmills and alike and then we
got to be over the years close friends and, and that's how my
relationship with Ted started and how I got introduced to
Marley woods.
John Greenewald: Before we get into Marley woods, a quick
background on Ted Phillips for those who aren't aware he
recently passed away or I say recently, it's it's been what a
year or two maybe?
Thomas Ferrario: Yeah, was on March the 10th of last year, we
lost it so bad. And I'll tell you, it's a big loss. And the
time has gone so fast. And we had scheduled some memorials for
him near his home and in Branson, Missouri. And we had a
big hall, rented and several people were going to come and
john filet had made a video and because of the darn virus, it
just never happened. And we do have a video we're putting
together right now it should be out. It'll err recently. I
believe within the next couple of months. We'll have it out and
I'll give you the details on that one one. It's out there.
Um, but yeah, he was just an incredible man like you said a
nuts and bolts man. And you know Ted's passion and you followed
he started when he was a young boy. You know, his father worked
at a radio station and got him an interview with two Air Force
captains that bomber pilots from World War Two that had course
the typical Foo Fighters and sightings and in I mean, close
proximity to their plane within 20 foot their cockpit and these
pilots hadn't. And like as Ted said, it didn't get any better
speaking with anyone than Air Force pilots, so that that
increased the passion in Ted and he was very much a nuts and
bolts man, as you said he worked went to work with on a case
actually in Missouri. People think Ted's first case was
alonza Morris case, instead of girl, but actually, Alan got
with 10 on a case in Missouri, which was a very monumental
case, which we're working up background on that and getting
going to get that out. We feel it's as groundbreaking as Lonnie
Zamora case that's never been dealt with. And let me know
John Greenewald: real quick you said Alan, just for those who
aren't aware you're talking about Dr. J. Allen Hynek of the
process I am name and, and so on. And Ted Phillips again, for
those who aren't aware had worked under Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
which is how he started. And I had produced a documentary for
history channel where we explored Ted's origin story and
tying back into Dr. J. Allen Hynek. It is an amazing, amazing
story about how they came together and work together and
so many years later how much Ted really did and continued the
hard work that that obviously was pioneered by who trained him
essentially which was Dr. J. Allen Hynek. So amazing history
there and I appreciate your background. And and I want to
segue into now Marley woods, simply because you've brought it
up a couple of times. And also this is I would say a great time
to explore it because everybody in the UFO field and even
outside of the UFO community as a core. Now we see skinwalker
Ranch as a History Channel documentary, you know, they're
out there with television cameras. And in my opinion
anyway, they give the impression that's just this unique, one of
a kind area. But Marley Woods sounds like it is very much in
comparison to something like skinwalker Ranch where you have
all sorts of activity. So let me throw it to you, Tom, what is
Marley woods? And what what what goes on there?
Thomas Ferrario: Marley Woods is, you know, we used to think
they were these places were more unique. I will tell you that
there are several across the globe. Not to the intensity,
though I will say as skinwalker and Marley woods, you know,
Morley Woods isn't. And I will go off just tell you Morley
Woods is a fictitious name that Ted we all originally put
together because we have to we owe it to the property owners,
they asked us don't go looking on a map for Marley woods, it is
totally fictitious name, to protect the participants in the
ranch and everything that goes on there, because we had a
little security issues in the beginning. And it doesn't get
pretty, but it's an area that encompasses two miles east and
west and three miles north and south. Now, it's comprised of
two ranches. That one is 1200 acres and one's approaching 1000
acres. With two, just two property owners that we work
with that, trust us implicitly. And it is a place of high
strangeness. And this goes back several generations, I will tell
you, we tried to track it even going back to Native American
culture, we have not been able to, we just recently found
Native American, which we thought there wasn't any proof
of them being in this area. And we just recently found some,
actually some elements that that showed us that there had been a
presence Native American presence on one of the sites
with a natural spring in it. But it's an area that I will tell
you it, it has the high strangeness everything you've
seen on skinwalker I, I would tell you that we have that and
much more it we have the unseen force. And I just list these
briefly. Light ball activity cryptid activity, which includes
large white animals, Beast cryptids, flying reptilian
things. And it goes into cattle mutilations. energy sources,
which is very much similar to what they're dealing with right
now in skinwalker. We dealt with we did narrow it down, I will
tell you to the the energy levels. And I will I am able to
tell you right now that for a short time, we we did have a tie
with a Bigelow Foundation, we worked with Colin Keller, and we
had several other people with us we worked with and our energy,
so we did narrow it down to in the microwave spectrum, we felt
that most of our our problems were the energy sources, it led
us do the and then this I must say with Ted, everything is
documented and done. If you can't prove it scientifically,
you don't even mention it. And there were a lot of things we
didn't mention that went on that. Later on that we wish we
would imagine that. But that was Ted's method. And he was for the
scientific approach and method and that's what we had to do.
John Greenewald: Can I ask you really quick to timestamp when
you guys were there with Bigelow's funding or Colm
Kelleher, his involvement? When was that?
Thomas Ferrario: Oh, that was back, I would say in the
2008 2009 period. And it was, you know, we had a relationship,
they'd spend time with us. And they wanted us to come out and
spend time with them at skinwalker. We never had the
time or the ability because we were a small team. And quite
frankly, we had things just exploding off the chart at that
period at Morley that we were dealing with that like 10 nine
and the team Adam Johnson and a gal that's a state director now,
which I call her my sister. We're very close. She's the
state director for move on now. Debbie Ziggler Meyer, I know you
know that Debbie's a Debbie. And she's been on a lot of
productions lately of late. Any Alaskan triangle, but uh, but we
were, we were running our tails off out there at times. And we
spent a lot of time out there 10 in our group besides the lecture
circuit, and Marley woods, I was away from home more than I was
at home, I'll tell you and but the high strangeness of this
area is just it went off the scales at times. And I will tell
you whenever you'd like me to get into it, there was a
downside that Ted didn't like to speak of very much. It was the
physical effects encountered by the team. And some of us. Yeah.
Ted, Ted didn't like the researchers to be part of the
research ever. So many didn't want to upset the ranchers, they
the property owners.
John Greenewald: I do want to get in. I do want to get into
that. I want to ask you one. Yeah, I'm not sure if you can
answer. So I'll apologize in advance, when you would. And the
reason why I'm asking about the Bigelow connection, which was
intriguing to me in the year, that was during the funding
years that the Defense Intelligence Agency was giving
money to Bigelow in a program called OS app. And so the
question I have for you is around that timeframe. Was it
ever bantered about that this was part of potentially a
government research program.
Thomas Ferrario: You know, believe me, we have had that
question posed to us many times. We didn't see any signs of that.
And I will tell you that through the years, Jetta corps working
with Hynek and Project bluebook in the last stages, and we did
do in early days, we there was a connection that when Ted parted
with that area with the government connection, he was
very cautious. He didn't want to associate or touch base with
that culture at all in any way, shape, or form. So I know a lot
of people thought that we never dealt with that. And Marlene, a
lot of people have asked us did we think the government was
monitoring us and Marley and had any way, shape or form
interjected things in our reach as research? And I can tell you,
quite frankly, I don't believe they did. And you know, what,
the Bigelow aspect of it, we believe they were very honest
with us. And we worked quite well for a while together. And
concolor worked with us, and we enjoyed it. And it just didn't
turn out to be a mutual agreement as we thought it would
be. But it was a control issue. They're a property I, I'll just
throw out there. And but I we really detected no government
involvement at that time with any parties.
John Greenewald: Gotcha. Well, I appreciate you fielding the
question. So let's get into the the evidence aspect of it.
Again, I know that you and Ted were both convinced that
something was going on out there. Can Can Can you
potentially answer for Ted as well. But for you what convinced
you that there was something going on at Marlee woods, that
that made you guys say, okay, we really need to investigate this.
Thomas Ferrario: What convinced me in the early stages that as
Ted hurt from the very beginning, Ted told me that out
of all his years of doing a nut and bolt research, he had never
actually experienced anything physically and morally was the
first time he had actually seen any UFOs or anything. And it
goes so much beyond the scene of a UFO or structured craft or
mainly, what we experienced were light balls at Marlin. Once in a
while there was structured crafts involved. But it was the
intelligence aspect of it that we dealt with on an almost daily
basis. That was always one step ahead of us. It read our weakest
moments. It read when we were the least prepared to capture
something on video or audio. And when we were prepared to capture
something, and we started experiencing things, it would
literally take out our equipment, sometimes it would
burn out circuitry, it would eject and I'll date myself here
we were using VHS tapes. We had a large raft of VHS tapes in the
off, and I just want to throw out the property owners and
Marley was so great. They built a two floor two level structure
with a big observation deck for Ted to stay in and to have an
office in and to work out of Mr. Lee. And later, they built us an
outside open observation deck. But this entity, this
intelligence would, it wiped VHS tapes clean, in one instance,
injected tapes from the machine. When we switched to DVRs, it
would burn out some of our DVRs that had multi our hundreds of
hours of storage in them. And it would just always, it always had
the upper hand. Now, one of the things I will tell you that we
just recently did a video with jack fillet, which jack came on
and spend time with us. There was an incident incident that
happened with him that really turned him around. And it was a
just briefly, I'll go into that the incident that happened was
in the cabin that Douglas Trumbull donated s and he was
actually there at this point with us and jack fillet was
there. We set the camera on a table and a window facing north
to capture what we call the North mystery light. And we lock
the doors to the cabin. And the next morning, when we went in,
the camera was turned 90 degrees away from the window on a locked
tripod. And at first Douglas was very agitated at this. He said,
Who's messing with us. And we said no one was in this cabin,
Doug. So then john really picked up on that. And jack spoke about
this a couple of times in the in in a lecture, he actually gave
that the this phenomenon actually. And that's the way
this would play with us. It would always show its upper hand
and we were dealing with an intelligence we felt. And that's
and then I was going into that Ted warned me in the beginning
of how this at times could affect you. Like even when we
were weren't in the field and we we slept in some mornings, and
3am is the bewitching hour, I'll tell you not 12am like so many
people think and you learn that fast and you follow up more,
more things happen at 3am than at midnight. But I woke up one
morning and Jed was sleeping in another bed across from me in
the upper level of the office. And I just slept I felt like
something shook me woke me up physically. And I woke up with
an overwhelming sense of joy. And I don't know why To this day
I ran out on the deck expecting to see the mothership or
something I just knew something was there. And there was
absolutely nothing. And my state of joy went to almost
depression. And I went in and woke Ted up, which is something
you really never wanted to do. Oh, and I told Ted what had
happened. And he looked rolled over and looked at me and he
said, he said, Well, Tom, welcome to Marley woods. So that
was one of my first experiences and Marley. And but it was a
very real reference.
John Greenewald: Before we get into the physical effects,
because I want you to talk about that. Let me ask you just a
quick question. Because as you describe these experiences, a
lot of people will hear UFOs and lean towards alien. I keep
hearing more of a spirit slash ghost kind of presence,
depending upon you know, your belief sets in that. But but
that's what I keep feeling from you as you explain these
stories. Did you guys have a consensus of what type of
intelligence you were dealing with?
Thomas Ferrario: Absolutely, and I'm so glad you asked that
point. And I will tell you and now this is going to step on the
toes I know of a lot of youth ologists that want to think
interplanetary. But I can speak from Ted felicite his
experiences with Dr. J. Allen Hynek came to believe this and
totally proved it. Ted's belief was this job fillet. 100% jack
was on board with this before almost anybody and believes this
100% and what they believe is and we all come to believe, and
we actually documented improved satisfaction to our
satisfaction. This is all in jocks words. It's frequency
driven. Now, in layman's terms, that means dimensionally based.
And what that says is, this is all dimensionally based. It's
all dimensional. We feel there are portals out in Marley as all
these other places such as skinwalker. things come through
physically. We believe we caught one on one image doing this.
When they're on your side, there is real physical, they leave, as
Ted said, physical tangible tracks, physical trace cases.
When they're not here, you can search the woods with 1000 men
and it's going to phenomenon scoring. Now, we proved that on
so many levels, and Marlene and they're they're touching on this
a lot at skinwalker. Now that but I will tell you that they
and if I have to put my money on anybody, I'm sorry. I know a lot
of you follow just don't want to believe this and don't want to
go in this realm. But personally, I'll put my money
on. Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Ted Philips jacc, fillet inner
others, Ray Stanford, a good friend of mine is another one.
Douglas Trumbull. So I just believe that's truly what we're
dealing with here.
John Greenewald: And if it wasn't, you know, Ted leading
the way and and you and me knowing you, I usually dismiss
stories like this, to be honest with you, just simply because it
seems a little bit far fetched. But in the same respect, like I
said, you guys, are you and I've known you guys for years, which
is the, you know, intriguing part of all of this. So let's
get into the physical effect aspect. You've mentioned it a
couple times, I want you to go into a little bit more detail
here. You you you guys. And gals, I'm not sure if Debbie
came came with you. I assume she might have. But But team of
researchers small team goes out there. You guys experience some
stuff. What was happening to you?
Thomas Ferrario: Well, I'm going to touch it. I just want to go
back just briefly quick and just say that, as you stated to john.
In the beginning, I had very much problem. I did not I wanted
to deal with a structured graph like Ted did. And I will tell
you a little known little known fact is that Ted did have an
outing with Dr. J. Allen Hynek for a short time. They became
great friends again work with each other up to the point of
Dr. J. Allen Hynek is passing. They have spoken work together a
week before Dr. Heinrichs passing. Ted was very much
against Dr. J on Hynix theory on this. Ted was a nuts and bolts
man, he wanted to go there. That's what he wanted to do. And
he didn't want to accept this. But over the years, and
especially Ed Morley, he said that Alan was so far ahead of
his time. And like Alan said, this is so much more than a
structured craft and a little, little green guy coming here
from Alpha Centauri. It's so much more involved and more than
what that is that's so simplistic that that's not
what's going on at all. So I just wanted to lay out there
that that was hard for TEDx out. It was hard for me to accept,
believe me. But it's real. And you got to go where the data
lead you and what you experience. And that's what we
felt. Now, getting into the physical attributes of this what
we experienced. You know, we can get into the realm on an animal
we had cattle mutilations in Marlin, and I'm telling you the
Ted's first cattle mutilation before I was involved with him,
he was called out there. And he seemed Academy late, typical,
you know, the flesh, the phase of skull, sexual organs taken no
blood, that same scenario. He came up on the rancher showed
him the first one and get asked, How often does this go on and
Marley? And a rancher said, well come with me Ted, and they walk
behind the barn. And here the rancher head has stack of bleach
white bones, about a 25 foot in diameter pile about 12 foot
high, behind one old barn of what he claims to have been all
Due to cattle mutilation, and the reason it was just thrown in
this manner was there was no predation. There was no
predators insect involved in most of these, nothing would
touch this these carcasses. So that was absolutely a part of
modeling the physical effects. We can go through it. Just
before I get into the human aspects of this. We had a case
called the horse barn incident, which we weren't Ted was called
on a Saturday morning. We weren't out there at the time,
the rancher said that you got to you got to get out of your dead.
And he said, one of his prize horses had been affected by
this. And we didn't get out there, unfortunately for six
weeks. And when we got out there, it affected the rancher
so greatly. And just briefly what that was. The rancher had a
habit of going from the house, walking the perimeter of his
pastures, the checking the fence line. He had a barn where he had
his favorite riding horses favorite horse in in a corral.
He always brought it some sugar in the morning. He dropped in
and seen it The horse was perfectly fine. Eight to sugar,
no problems. He closed the corral, went on his way check in
the face of the fence line. And now he was within sight of this
barn the whole time. He was probably no I'd say a quarter
mile away from the barn. He ran the fence line came back up in
front of the barn. And as he glanced over at the barn, he
seen that corral door was ajar. And he said, Well, that's not
right. I know I closed it.
And what I will warn you what what follows is is really
gruesome. He as he went in the corral, he describes as what he
seen was a slaughter house in there that he said that there
were there was flesh and blood on the the lower rafters of the
barn. All the corral the wooden corral boards besides the gates,
and and virtually what had been in a matter of 20 minutes,
completely healthy horse had turned into a mass of horseflesh
in his barn as such it it like it exploded. And we got out
there, we took some sampling. There was no residual radiation
of any type. We sent in the what we had. And now I will tell you
that the samples we took were several weeks olds, so they
weren't good sampling. But there was no chemical traces found in
this No. It was to the degree that an explosive device was
putting this horse but there was no residual of any type of
explosives. And, and here again, thanks to Ted's experience in
the field over the years, and another case he involved and
I'll touch upon that sometime with you, Case he involved in
Vietnam, when he was sent there, and Ted was sent all over the
world for Allen Hynek when Alan had prior engagements and
couldn't make it or health reasons, but Ted had come across
this phenomenon before and what they had, after research they
determined it was, but it was as if this horse had been placed in
a microwave oven and exploded. And they're again, dealing with
microwave, you have no residual radiation or you better not have
Yes, like when you place a piece of meat in a microwave oven.
There's not going to be anything residual on that piece of meat
or better. And so that gets into the extreme cases of how this
intelligence now Do we believe this thing set out to destroy
this harsh? We have no proof of that. Was it a residual effect
of energy? That was it was exposed to for you know,
whatever reason? You know, we just don't we don't know that
answer. But I will tell you that the area that this horse was in
had been frequently it's in the in the area to the some of the
cattle mutilations were. So for what reason and how this
occurred. We don't know. But, but Ted did draw the conclusion
and other people he sent this off to and he spoke with some of
his, at the time some people that he had dealt with in the
past and they all felt that this was from microwave radiation gun
John Greenewald: Were there and not that I want to see them by
the description but did you guys take pictures to the homeowners
take pictures were they shown to and again this is not a distrust
for your research ability but just like an outside third party
either you know university level you know analysts scientists,
whatever Did that happen or was this stuff just like nobody
wanted to touch it, which is well is essentially took the
lead.
Thomas Ferrario: When we got there we took pictures I have a
picture of myself taking some sampling, nailing down scraping
some it's off the floor. Of course at that time, it was all
dried material. Absolutely. Which is odd, no smells like a
decaying animal, blood or you would expect there to be a
really a, an odor there. Unusually, there was no odors
there. And we did take pictures of myself sampling and Adam
Johnson in the same barn, taking samples we have, there really
wasn't a lot for us to catch on video or photo for the
photographs. Unfortunately, this affected the property owner to
the degree after this happened, he came down with a neighbor.
And they took the large parts out and merged them. He did not
take any photographs, which the minute he Ted told him about
this, which he didn't even notify Ted for a week after this
happened. He was so affected by this. And there were no he did
not take any photographs. And I will tell you that after we did
the investigation, and we did our sampling, Ted, we were going
to return to that site. Below that ranchers house. He actually
this small wooden there was an older barn, he actually was so
affected by it, he burned the structure down he didn't want to
have, he didn't he couldn't look at it anymore. So he actually
burned this, this barn down rather than deal with it. So
there you have just what we found when we took pictures. We
wish we wish to God, he would have took some images. You know,
those are sampling at the time, but there was none of that done.
So. And that's one of the reasons why we wanted to
establish a full time presence, at least one or two of us and
Marlene, and and we were when we were working with the Bigelow
team, that was our goal that we were going to get funding and be
able to do that. And but that never occurred. And but it I
will tell you that it was it's one of the more dramatic things
that happened. And Marlene
John Greenewald: would say that's a pretty dramatic and
traumatic experience for all parties involved. Before we get
into, you know more of the the research that you guys did, I do
want you to talk about you had mentioned physical effects to
you, to you and or maybe the team. Can you talk about those
types of effects as well?
Thomas Ferrario: Yes. And now this was an area, I will tell
you that Ted spoke to us. Of course, Ted gave us full
discretion to speak about do whatever we want it. If it was
contrary to his wishes are affected the team, believe me,
we would have been out of there. But we dealt with we went to a
TED we felt what his wishes were. But he gave us, you know,
the discrepancy to talk about it or deal with it. But he
basically there were things out there that happened. And other
aspects of Ted's life that Ted said, you know, Tom, after I'm
gone, I don't give a damn what you do with this stuff. But I'd
rather not we don't focus on this. Because Ted devoted so
much of his life to Marlin. He didn't want to take the focus
away from the research and Morley and what was going on in
Marlin. And he felt that if we we got too dramatic with what
happened to the researchers are some of the other things that
were the reasons why Ted spoke of and why he devoted the rest
of his life and morally because what he thought was going to
occur and Marley, I'll tell you, he just didn't want to take the
focus off that so he said that, you know, he'd rather we just
speak about this after he was gone and then make that issues,
those issues. We dealt with that it didn't take a focus away from
the research on Marley itself, what was going on, and But
anyway, I can get into the physical effects. Now. If you
You'd like john,
John Greenewald: please. Yeah, I'd like to hear about that.
Thomas Ferrario: Okay. And what that mainly deals with is
there's a phenomenon out in Marley, another thing we dealt
with that the ranchers dealt with for years and years as far
back as their, as they can remember. And it was called the
the light beams. Now, what these light beams were, they were a
pure, I don't want to compare him to a spotlight because
that's not a fair, that's not apples. I mean, that's just not
a fair comparison. Because what we experienced and we heard this
for several, several times, we've heard this retold out
there and but what that encompasses was a pure white
light beam, sweeping the area as if hunting for something like it
was looking for something, searching for something, for
whatever reason, and we heard of that found and I by the ranchers
several times. The first time we experienced that personally,
Adam Johnson and I, we were in a deer stand on on a night, it was
like 28 degrees. We were in a deer stand with cameras set up
monitoring devices, EMF equipment, analog digital, the
whole spectrum trying to be ready for some absolutely
nothing. And there again, this stuff read your weakness. We
decided to call it quits after three and a half hours. And we
had our cameras we were putting away which is a stupid thing to
do out there. We were getting all our stuff in our backpacks
to climb down. And I noticed over at Adams side to the north,
a light coming down, hitting the timber on a six acre field
sweeping across the timber coming down into the pasture.
And it came across the past year, right to the point our
gear stand was on the opposite side of the field, in the timber
right on the edge of the timber of that field. It swept across
the field went right to the bottom of our deer stand as if
it was going to come up into it with us and extinguished in an
instant. Now, I was trying to see the source of this. And Adam
was trying to get his cameras back out. Unfortunately, he got
one up and running too late. He didn't get any it just switched
off before he got his camera. I was trying to see the source
from other light, which I did not I could not see. It just
came out of the sky at that point. And so that's the first
time we experienced that. And we were on radio with Ted, and
asked Ted if he seen this. And Ted was in an upper another part
of the property on another field on the timber with a property
owner. They see no artifact of this what we were saying they
were saying you know, it's impossible, we didn't see
anything. Which there again, this brings into play the
dimensional aspect of stuff is very dimensional. If you're not
in the right place at the right time. You're not going to
observe this or any artifacts of it. Now, there were no physical
effects from that at that time. I was in that area with Adam. A
second time it happened. It happened to 10 and I and this is
one of Ted's most the very little shook Ted Phillips up I
will tell you very little. This is one time that it shook him up
to the point where he called his wife at home after it occurred
and spoke with her. It's one of two incidents that shook Jen and
Marley. That bad but we were in my vehicle coming back on site
to on and this is a 1200 acre ranch. I'll tell you a gated
area. It's a dirt road off a gravel road in the middle of
1200 acres that no one has access to or can get access to.
So there's no way this and no way this possibility that this
was done to us but but I happen to look in my rearview mirror
and I seen the same light, bright white intense light
coming up the road behind us.
It came up behind us and onto the vehicle and as it came in
the back window of the vehicle. It lit up the interior of our
vehicle to the degree where I remember seeing the vinyl grain
and the dash and looking down the air vents in my vehicle to
the furthermost point in what the Dustin I'm and I mean it was
just I hate to draw the analogy again to close encounters in
that scene. But that's what it was. And at that point I told
Ted, I said, Are you seeing this Ted? and Ted looked over at me?
And he said, Well, hell, yes, I'm seeing this done. And we
both instinctively at that point, which is probably not a
wise thing to do, we threw open the doors and jumped out of the
vehicle, and looked up. And what we seen at that point was, which
I don't know how I'm a little bit knowledgeable about
lighting. And I have never seen in my life the effect I seen
that night. And I don't know how you recreate it, but the light
retracted from the vehicle with a vertically a cut off definite
end. And it retracted into what Ted described as the aperture.
You know, that twisting reflex of an old time camera, the way a
twist, we see that light retract into that aperture. And when it
when it closed, it was gone. I mean, there was no craft, there
was no light ball, there was no, no remnant of that. It's just it
was there, and it was gone. Now that that's what we experienced
on that road. And we got back to site, one where we stayed the
structure. And we got we pulled up to the structure. JACK got
out. And he started taking his gear out of the car, and to take
up into the building. And I noticed he just dropped some of
it on the ground, which was so unusual for Ted to do. I mean,
he took care of equipment, like he was meticulous, especially
with cameras, since he was a professional photographer, but I
said Ted was a matter. And he was over leaning on the building
at that point. And he was vomiting. And I man, I was
really worried about him. And because he had had some other
health issues. And I said, Are you going to be okay, Ted? And
he said, Well, I think so I don't know. And he's just let me
stand here for a while. So he stood there for a while leaning
on the building and finally got up, right. And he came over and
grabbed this guy said, I'll get your cameras for you just go up
and lay down. So he went up in late, lay down and that evening,
and and at that point, I was thinking, Well, I'm you know, I
didn't know if it was from what had happened or just Ted's
health. And I thought, Well, I'm glad. I said in hindsight, I
wish that would have happened to me. I said, Well, I'm glad that
didn't happen to me. So anyway, that was the end. And about a
day later that we left. We and the one thing I want to tell
you, we told the property owners what had occurred, we did not
share with them the physical tag getting sick or anything we
never wanted to worry them and which in hindsight, I wish we
would have shared everything with them. And I'll tell you
why. We left that, that visit that trip and I came home. And
about a week later. My scalpel in my head. And at this point, I
will say I had dark brown hair then I got to wear condition I
couldn't my head just hurt all the time. I couldn't even touch
my hair. It hurts so bad. So I went in and this is all
documented. I have the documentation. I went into my
physician. He thought I had shingles at first they did test.
I didn't have shingles. He looked at over and he said well
it looks like maybe you got sunburned or some type of burn.
And I was on strong opiates for a couple of weeks just to deal
with the pain of my scalp. And I thought that would be the extent
of it or be the worst part of it. And within a month my hair
turned from dark brown to what you see today. Actually it was
actually got to be white after that. And to this day, it's the
color you see in the summary goes to white on top and usually
like one
and if that would have been the extent of my problems I would
have been happy with. I started having about a year later. And I
actually had put up with vision problems for a while. About I'd
say a year later and I I have documentation of this, I went to
the eye doctor. And my vision changed, which it does to this
day. Some days, I have extremely good vision. Other days, I have
eyeglasses, and it drives my eye doctor crazy, he doesn't even
want to see me anymore because he tries to prescribe vision
glasses for me. But I all I noticed my vertical lines on my
vision, like looking at a doorpost would be waving my
horizontal lines at times, especially my left eye would be
completely, it'd be almost at a point be being disorienting, you
know. So I went in, and they sent me in for tests. And, um,
what they come up with that I had, and at the time, I wasn't
the age I am now. They determined I had macular cyst,
which is a step worse than cataracts. It's another level
that they deal with Anna. And I said, Well, how do you get this?
What's this cause from and they said, Well, we really don't know
usually old age people get this. But we really don't know what
causes this. So I went in and had an operation. I had macular
cyst in both eyes, my right one is still in there, it's not that
bad. The stage of the operation is that you can have extremely
good outcome from it. Or you can lose vision from it because they
have to laser this cyst off. And the macular they're dealing with
it. It can, it's just touching go. So they did that on my left
eye. They removed the macular cyst. They removed the cataracts
in both eyes that I had after that. And what caused this, I
was always after a reason. They had no explanation for this and
the goods. The only good thing that I thank God I asked for was
on when I was going back and they put a gas bubble on your
eye, the surgery and everything. My vision came back and on my
last visit vision visit to the surgeon in St. Louis, Missouri.
That young eye doctor which was there doing removing the bandage
and just doing the follow up work, took it off, and they
checked my vision and it was all good. And I asked him just in
passing and I'm so thankful I asked him I said, you know, I'm
so curious, I I just would love to know what brought this on or
what caused this. And this young surgeon looked at me so you
know, I said we really don't know, he said, the only time
I've ever seen this and he said we had a case he said last year
with some cell tower workers. And one of the cell tower worker
was up installing some microwave equipment. And they fired this
thing up not knowing this guy was an off the tower. And they
had to remove macular cyst from this gentleman's eye. Now, when
he told me this, I mean, it blew me away. It just he looked at me
and he said, What's the matter? And I said, I you don't know
what that means to me. So I'm the minute he mentioned
microwave, I will tell you it, it really set me back that it
was more documentation.
John Greenewald: Yeah, and for those who haven't caught it, and
correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, I go back to the horse incident
with with how you were describing essentially, like it
was put in a microwave kind of thing and the gruesome scene
there to what you experienced, because you didn't really have
me convinced there until that end, where you have that, that
connection that kind of puts a through line to all of that,
which is, which is fascinating. I'm sure if you can can answer
this. And it's okay if you can't, but did Ted also after
that event and experience? Did he have ongoing health issues?
You mentioned the vomiting, but anything long term? And if you
can't answer that, I totally understand.
Thomas Ferrario: He had long he had some health issues. I really
don't believe any of them. They were ongoing. Before this
incident. I really I believe me and Ted Knight talked about
this. And, of course, Ted gave me the discretion to speak about
this if I wanted to, but he'd rather I didn't. And we didn't.
And Jen had no health issues. I feel except he got physically
sick that night. I don't think he had any other residual health
issues from this. I only try to draw conclusions that I was
exposed a prior time to this, this time with Ted and there's
another incidence. I'll speak about When I was out with an
individual, and I think we were exposed to radiation, but the
one thing I just want to bring up in passing that 10 rather,
that we didn't speak with us with the property owners, he
didn't want to upset them or worry them as far as what we
what happened. And then there's a aspect that were out there on
their property. We did never wanted to worry them that there
be any kind of, you know, lawsuit or we we try to hold
them responsible for this, which we never Ted would. And it was a
father's thing from Ted's mind. But Ted didn't want to approach
this with the property owners for several reasons. Now, I will
tell you, in hindsight, that was the wrong thing to do. Because
after Ted's passing one of the property owners, which I will
tell you I'm in contact with almost at least once a month,
sometimes twice a week, ongoing things happening and morally.
After Ted's passing. I just I thought I would I owed it to
him. And I brought it up, I started small. And I spoke about
my scalp issues and my hair. And the property owner shared with
me said, Well, well, Tom, that's nothing new. I've been to the
doctor three times from my head, I couldn't touch I had hair. And
I said, I said Really? I said, I said, you never spoke about that
with us. And the gentleman's name, I'll just call him john. I
said, john, that you never spoke about this. And he said, Well, I
went to the doctor. He said, it was usually after we seen this
light beam sweeping or got close to us in the field. And he said,
Well, what did the doctor determine? In your case? It was
he said, Well, the our local doctor, the old doctor just
called it, he said he'd seen it before he called a touchy scalp.
He just told him, it would go away. Now, had we shared this
with the property owner, we could have formed a bond there,
you know, but but that it just it shows to be always be
completely honest and share everything with the property
owner and data you have with the people involved? Because you
don't know what it could mean to them in a case. So that's just
briefly touching on this. And it's why not go ahead. And
John Greenewald: just gonna say it's a it's an amazing through
line from the the effects on animals to you to the property
owners that there is that that physical evidence that shows
there's obviously something going on? Can I ask you about
now present day, and I don't want to keep you obviously, all
day, we're at an hour now. And it's a fascinating function. But
But one of the things I want to make sure that I asked you is
Are you still going out there, obviously. And sadly, Ted has
passed away. And I'm sure that that that probably puts a
hindrance a little bit on the investigation. But is it still
ongoing? Do you have other cameras out there? I mean,
what's what's the present day status?
Thomas Ferrario: Yes, it's ongoing. I have been there just
once since just passing now, which are you? There's people
want to work with us. If it not been for this virus in this
area. Though, the one property owner, he actually didn't
believe in this virus. And it went from the point of not
believing the virus was real to his neighbor, which was a great
friend of his passed away, they found out with the virus, and
where he came to town and they picked it up somewhere they
believe they don't know where after his friend passed away,
everybody out there and the property owners wife has health
issues, even their family, they don't leave the ranch anymore.
Their farmhouse and their farmhouse is not a joint to this
acreage, which is Marley woods, they live on another ranch and
another small piece of property. They don't even they go on I
think a couple times now to town. And now it's starting to
hit again in that area. But they even had family members just
dropping groceries at the mailbox. They didn't allow
anybody out there and the property owner said Tom anytime
you want to go all by yourself, you have free rein You're You're
welcome, but we rather nobody else is with you right now to
this is over. So I respect your wishes completely. I don't want
to be the one to push their, you know, buttons out there and but
it the property owner there was a spell. It's in a little bit of
a lull now, but I will tell you that two months ago Go, the
property owner was calling me every other day at nine or 10
o'clock in the evening telling me what the land what the they
have an individual that lives out there and takes care of the
property. And he calls him when things start happening and the
individual will not come out of us. There's a mobile home out
there for the individual that keeps the property and genja
cattle and wishes very little cattle anymore Just for their
own personal uses. And they keep it low key. And then the warm
scenario they feed they don't let it go on to the fields
anymore. But it, it there's so many dramatic things happening
out there again. You know, we had reports he told me, we had a
veterinarian that was out there. Kenny one of the nearby ranches,
some cattle when she experienced this flying creature. She was
out working cattle and the property owner wanted to bring
her lunch. And that her her lunch, her medical bags where
she was working with all their their truck was gone and hit she
had seen something in there. She took out chase in her pickup
truck across the field and tried to take she caught a couple
pictures of it which I got. I posted on my Facebook page a
couple of them sometimes. But I will tell you the high
strangeness is has not decreased. It's increased if
anything at times. And you know, last winter the property owner
owner called and told me of a phenomena they'd never had. And
I couldn't get out there at dead. It was extremely part of
that part of the winter. But he found on the one pond near where
the cattle are kept. It was very thin ice the light snow on on
the ice. And he described what came down from the cattle onto
this thin ice and left three toed tracks which he measured
the 13 inches in diameter of a three toed track that went
across this pond and went out into the center of the pond and
terminate. It just came to an abrupt end in the pond on the
light snow and this thin ice, which he told me said, he said
Tom, there's no way he said it wouldn't have supported my foot.
He said it. If you laid a large rock on air, it would have broke
through. He said that it makes no sense. How can you lay down a
13 inch three toe track of considerable weight on this thin
ice and not break through and then terminate in the middle of
the pond? You know that there again, the only explanation for
this stuff is it's dimensionally based. It's so much of this when
you see it. When it's it's dimensionally based, it's
crossing over, depending what angle you are, from where it
crosses, it has a totally different look or appearance.
And, you know, it's just the only thing I can explain so much
of what we dealt with. Mr. Lee, is this what they come to
believe in proved in other cases, that this is all
dimensionally based. It's frequency driven. And it you
know, when this stuff comes across, it's as real and
physical as you and I and when it's not there. It's not there.
And it there are so many and morally cryptid sightings. The
only Bigfoot sighting in the county was near Marley. The
white animal which I know you're familiar with that case the
large white animal polar bear slash sloths type animal. We
found 16 inch long white hairs. We had tracks we had plaster
cast we poured we've got the tracks we Ted sent in the hair
to analysis some new Phyllis budding juror which I know you
know her. It did they did Mac microscopy on some of the hairs.
Another lab was so intrigued that we didn't have the money
for DNA work and back then Neroli DNA was crude. But one of
the labs was so intrigued they they further they further this
down the chain in the in the lab and they did a very crude DNA.
And it came back as no known match. On this 16 inch long
white hair. We pulled out barbed wire fences. So what does that
now do? We believe there's a living breathing population of
these creatures out there. Of course we don't and Ted knew
there wasn't Like when they're there, you have to believe no
matter how crazy it sounds, and for what aim, the witnesses I,
you know, when they tell you what they've seen and user,
believe me hard and farmers that they don't make this stuff up
for fun or gain. But when this stuff is there for whatever
reason, and, you know, Ted come to believe sometimes. And people
ask, Well, what what could the reason for this possibly be? Why
would this stuff? You know, Ted came to believe hypothesis that
sometimes not all the time. But sometimes this stuff is far.
It's like we're the ones in the test lab and we're experimented
on to see our reaction, how will react to this stuff, what we'll
do, there's the element of fear, I will tell you that is used a
lot. It's to gain a degenerate fear in the eyewitness
testimonies of these people. And there is that element. So there
you have, in a nutshell, of some of the high strangeness what we
dealt with.
John Greenewald: I mean, it's an amazing story. And and I'm so
glad that I brought you on today to at least touch upon it. Can I
in? Well, can I can I ask what? Where do you go next? Can I ask
that? I mean, you know, what do you want to do at this point,
because obviously, this phenomena, whatever it is, is
still there. You can, you know, bring in technology that's much
different than the VHS that you had mentioned earlier. If you
had your way, what would happen next?
Thomas Ferrario: You know, Ted wanted to further we wanted, Ted
was so far ahead of his time. With technology that wasn't
available at the time, he envisioned things and trumped up
things and ways to do things. The technology wasn't there.
Back in the early days, Ted was trying to duct tape cameras on
remote control airplanes and helicopters, which of course
now, we didn't have any success with that. He didn't. Of course,
technology now with drones surpasses what he envisioned
back then. jeden vision besides just having a 24 hour presence
there, he envisioned a network of trail cams, that would would
go back to a computer that anyone could go to our website
back then we were trying to set up. But we didn't have internet
connection after the time. But we were trying to set up some
way of having security cameras online 24 hours a day to monitor
these errors. Anybody could go to this website and watch see
what was going on and Marley at any given time. Of course, now
we have I've looked into I would like at one point, if we get the
funding to complete Ted's work with cellular, of course, now
that we have cellular trail cams that are out there, you can hook
up cell you like a cell phone, and back to a main data point
and distributed however you wish. In areas where you don't
even have cell phone connection. I've looked in there's ways to
do this now with cell phones. Yeah, it's extremely expensive.
And that is in kinda in its infancy right now to the general
public, the military hasn't. But you could hook these cameras up,
you know, with a satphone to your source work anywhere in the
United States you could turn on and you know, view what's going
on this network and it would alert you when these trail cams
go off. And you know, Douglas Trumbull bought us some state of
the art back then solar power radio, trail cam said you could
it had a mile line of sight, you could get it at three miles but
of course in the woods and everything line of sight drops
down to a quarter of a mile sometimes, but you could turn on
a trail cam and watch it or it would alarm you if something set
it off. But that was Ted's goal. To have the trail cam network,
you could view anywhere anytime and would be recording this on a
DVR. And, of course, like I said, you know, the if just the
state of the technology back then, you know, with the drones,
we didn't have the drone technology that's out there and
Ted always envisioned when we had the one light source it came
on which I think You've seen photos of I know, the most
dramatic photo that Ted ever got was this one light source on the
wood on the on the on the field through the timber he took with
an with a golden arms you, you could see it through the timber
and and it was he actually cleaned that up with different
programs where you could it all focus into a shield like object
in the middle of this field. And he always envisioned flying one
of these drones. And if we'd had at that time, right into the
heart of this, from our point A, at a line of sight into the well
he believed these things to be were portals. And he said at one
time, he said you would you should have smacked me if I ever
said portal. But he said that's, that's what they were. But he
envisioned flying this line of sight into the portal itself,
which we tried to get there manually by vehicle. And just a
demonstration real quick that one night, we've seen one of
these where this always took place this one portal, and 10 I
got in my vehicle, we we drove 70 mile an hour on crown on a
county road to it. We got up to the field, we knew where it
should be. There was no light, no artifact of it. And the
property owner was back on site, one on the deck. And thank God.
And this is the kind of things you've never you always have to
be observant. We were on radio communication with a property
owner. And the property owner said, Well, what do you guys
see? And we said, well, we don't see anything. And I turned
around my vehicle. And he he said, Well, Tom, I see your
brake light on right next to it.
I said, we can't see anything. And he said, Well, you should be
there, I could see your brake line right next to this portal
or this line. So that's how directional these things gonna
appear. Now, how do you explain that? And that's what drove me
crazy over the years. And Marlon will tell you but but there are
other aspects that it's why Ted pays so many people as Why did
Ted Phillips devote his rest of his life going out to Marley
Woods time after time. That's some of the things that drove
him crazy. And along with the thought there would be an event
in Marley. Due to his past experiences, which he didn't
share with the property owners from another case he was on. I
will tell you that he said after I'm gone, he said, I don't care
Tom, you can share with him but because he had felt at that time
over the years, if it didn't happen, it wasn't going to. So
he said you can you can share this with them whatever you
like. And, but but that's what kept me going. And still
interested in always back to Hollywood.
John Greenewald: If you have one, a couple more minutes, I
didn't mean to throw you off here by throwing Is this the
picture that you were talking about?
Thomas Ferrario: Yes, that is it. So that is absolutely.
John Greenewald: That's the one that Ted took of this lie. Yeah.
And and the reason why I wanted to see if you had a couple more
minutes, is to explain some of these visuals. If you're okay,
doing that. Would you Would you mind?
Thomas Ferrario: That would be fine. So that would be great.
John Greenewald: Yeah, yeah. Then let's just take a couple
minutes. Hold on bear with me here because I've got the
ability to let's start here. What are we looking at here?
Thomas Ferrario: That is the light source on the ground. Now
that isn't a light image that Ted took over the Northfield and
Marley woods. That's what he called the ambers. And I will
tell you that picture doesn't do it justice the issue here so off
and you foggy that colorization is it's on a spectrum that I
believe that the eye can interpret a camera. Very rarely
can a chat experience experiment with some film emotions, trying
to capture that on film. And unfortunately, you never could.
But it's much more amber color with the naked eye than what you
see there. You see a remnant of the amber but that that's what
was he referred to as cambers and Marley.
John Greenewald: I see. Okay, and then let's go let's do
another one here. See, these? were some of the ones you sent
over. What are we looking at here?
Thomas Ferrario: That was a time lapse photo that dead duck. Oh,
one of the heat shut up again. And, of course, the night sky, a
time lapse, he took a one of the light balls, and one of the
ambers. And I will tell you that it Ted had figured out with the,
with the, with the time lapse film, that he did the
calculations, and he estimated that this thing was traveling in
excess of 15,000 miles an hour. Now, the light loss can remain
motionless, they can hover, they can zip around, where you don't
even heard, you can't really even perceive them at times. And
if you catch the little, at the end of this line, this image,
you can see the little hook it goes up and comes down. And that
is one of the key features in a dead set is just, it doesn't
apply to our physics because nothing can travel it in excess
of 15,000 miles an hour. And do that, you know, and but that's
so common and you follow eg
John Greenewald: Is there a span of sky of the time lapse that
you can kind of gauge for us? Like, are we talking about the
entire sky? Are we talking about a you know, a 30 foot angle?
What do we what's the span here?
Thomas Ferrario: Yeah, it's on the GPS on that I don't have it
the I would say you're looking at a, you know, in the panorama
of a night sky, you're talking about a third of the night sky
if you're looking up in that time lapse photography there. So
that's about under some magnification, I will add which.
And magnification, of course add some artifacts to it. But But
still the image is astounding. And and then again. So imagine
you follow the you if you look at that image, which did like
the untrained eye, but to dig gaps in that. And why. And
that's the tract of a light ball in excess of 15,000 miles an
hour where you see gaps in it. Now does that mean it? It
stopped and started? You know, we don't know.
John Greenewald: Gotcha. And I appreciate you staying over your
time because because some of these are pretty interesting. I
want to just get to two more here, which ultimately may be
connected. This is a casting right of one of the unknown
animals.
Thomas Ferrario: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a trap we took of the
animal that was in a location where the property owner
actually had claimed he shot and this was the large why. And the
property, the guy works cattle, you can judge the way the cattle
he said this creature was in excess of 300 400 pounds. There
you go. I got it now. Yeah, that's the track that we took.
And it was in an area behind the barbed wire fence. And now this
gets really strange again. He said he shot this animal at a
good distance. He claims to the scope. He seen he he said he
made it red. Meaning he thought he hit it he thought he seen
what the animal at that point passed right through a four
strand barbed wire fence. Now I don't mean went over or under.
He claims that it just turned and walked through this fence.
Now, we found no blood at that site whatsoever. The strange
part about this is we did find a 16 inch long white hairs on the
bottom strand, and top strand of this fence. And I have images at
10 picking them off of this. Now, it makes no sense. It left
physical tracks in left hair on the fence. But the property
owner swears it just passed right through this four strand
barbed wire fence. Okay, wasn't there. So now I put that it's
impossible.
John Greenewald: I put that image of the hair on the screen.
I don't know if it's coming through on your end. Is this the
hair that you referenced earlier in the interview that had no
known match?
Thomas Ferrario: That's it. That's it. Yeah. And I don't
have the image yet. But that white hair on that is the hair
that we sent off. And Ted still has samples so that you know at
some point we'd like to send for further DNA, mitochondrial and
offer. What they can do now is unbelievable. But yes, that's
the hair and came back under my cross up and as you search it
Came back no known match. Now we have 16 inch long white hair,
there's no, no white ponies or dogs or anything in that area
has 16 inch long white hair. But we got it from the citing the
source of this it is physical trace evidence, you have to
accept it, and it leaves tracks. And that track there, it's hard,
it's the size of my open hand, it would fit right virtually in
my hand, it's that big. Wow. And stepping into that area, and I
will tell you, our we didn't compress the soil. And dedmon
did in one case, he did a compression test on the soil.
And he estimated was pretty hard at that day. He said it it looks
to him like it would did wait around 300 pounds or so. And
descriptions are from a white polar bear slash sloths. Some
compared to do I dare wolf. So what kind of cryptid this was,
you know, we have no idea. And we think there's a living
breathing population of these things out there running around.
We know there isn't it's was the only time ever seen Marley
woods, by the property owners, this creature, the one and only
appearance. Now I will say after he thought he shot it. The next
day, his daughter was on that piece of property. And she
claimed she seen two of them now, but they've never been
there. Now that is that is an image that the daughter took,
she had a camera with her very high magnification. And we we
tried to blow it up, she tried to zoom in on it very crude,
very poor image. That is the only known image we have of the
creature. And Ted use several types of filters to clean that
up and send it off. And you really can't tell anything
except that it's a very large pass the body, the neck and the
from what people that know what they're looking at. And one of
the veterinarians out there, we show this to show that the the
neck and head structure and that crude image just doesn't look
that it makes any sense. He from his expertise, it just doesn't
look like anything he could recognize her identify from the
structure of the neck and the head on it. So that's what we
had to work with the imagery. That's all we had. And we're
glad we had that. But that proves they were seeing
something.
John Greenewald: Yeah. Well, I wanted to end with this photo,
simply because it was there for me to grab. And I wanted to give
everybody an idea. This is you and Ted Philips standing side by
side. There's no date on my end. What do you remember when this
was taken?
Thomas Ferrario: That was taken probably early. I'd say 2006?
Early 2006. Yeah. Well, yeah, that was, I was. That was one of
the when I really got to be close with Ted out there. And we
formed a working relationship. And I was in a lot better shape.
Then Debbie and I were we were doing the move on dive team at
that point for move on, you know, and but yeah, that was
quite that's the structure behind us there. The metal
building you see is a two story structure, which was our office
in which the property owners I will tell you, I've even put on
the deed now to the property as Ted Phillips Morley would
Research Center they devoted to place to to. So that was really
great when they did that. And, but and it gets so crazy. JOHN,
in this business, I can tell you, that is actually the only
structure part of the structure we would show. We had actually
had showed photos of their of our building. And believe me or
not, there were people with a lot of time on our hands. They
got on GPS photos, and Google Earth. And there was one
individual that actually thinks he found Marley any zoomed in
how many hours he devoted to a define our structure on Google
Earth. I have no idea. But he actually found it on Google
Earth. Oh, wow. So that's the only image we would show after
that other building. And, and
John Greenewald: if it came through on your end, I have to
ask and it may mean absolutely nothing but that's skull back
there. That is mounted on the wall. I believe it's a skull.
Yeah. Is there? Is there a story behind that?
Thomas Ferrario: No, no, there really isn't the property owner
forever. It is. And the old cabin. There again, I don't have
a picture of a duck because the cabins next to the building, but
I will tell you they were avid deer hunters. And it goes into
another story but a hunter out there was an avid bear hunter
went up north and what happened to him and Marley, he would
never come back to Marley what he experienced but, but the one
front of the cabin is just full of skulls, deer skulls, you name
that type of critter and attain on that front of that log cabin.
But it's not related. Right? There again, I will check in
desk.
John Greenewald: Well, Tom, I thank you so much for spending
so much time with me. I know we kind of scheduled an hour. And
here we are an hour and a half. And that, you know, the photo
show and tell there was a little bit impromptu. So I appreciate
you playing ball with me on that, because I had the
capability to bring it up. And so I thought I'd do that and
have you explain what some of those photos are. But thank you
so incredibly much. And I wish you all the best. I want to
bring you back, though, and bring you back quickly. Because
we never even talked about another aspect of your work and
Ted's work which ties into the moon shaft project. So I'm
hoping that you had enough fun this hour and a half to come
back and talk about that. So you are absolutely invited. Anytime
you would like.
Thomas Ferrario: Well, I would love to do it, john. And I will
tell you, as Ted always said moon shaft is the Greatest Story
NEVER Told, and we're working with people that try to bring
that out. And all I can say is is I truly believe it's just
short is the story of instrumentality, that self
maintaining over eons of time that's sitting over in Slovakia
in a cave, and, uh, and it's there, believe me, and it's the
Greatest Story NEVER Told. And I truly believe it does been
there.
John Greenewald: Yeah. And and it's it is a fascinating story.
I talked at length with Ted about it many years ago. And
when you come back, we will definitely dive into that,
because that is a fascinating topic as well. But Tom, thank
you again. It's great to see you again, and stay safe out there.
But thank you. And we'll definitely do that second show
here soon.
Thomas Ferrario: Okay, john. Well, thank you. And I'd love to
do it. And I just want to tell you, Chad had such an
appreciation over the years working with you. And he really
respected your work and you as a friend and you were one of the
few believe me that Jed did trust and love to work with. So
I just want to thank you for the
John Greenewald: well I appreciate that. That means a
lot to here. And and thank you. Thank you for sharing that. And
And with that said again, thank you, Tom. And thank you all for
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Tom, I wish him all the best with his further research. He is
somebody that I very much respect in this field and have
for a long time along with Ted Philips and those that work with
them on these projects. Thank you all again. This is John
Greenewald Jr signing off, and we'll see you next time.