John Greenewald: Hey everybody, John Greenewald, here with the
black vault radio. While this last Saturday, I decided to do
an AMA or an Ask me anything. Well, if you don't know what
that is, it's simply just that it's your opportunity to write
in, or call in, I have a toll free line when I do these live
shows, to literally just ask anything you'd like, well, when
you do something on a Saturday morning, and it wasn't planned,
I had no idea that people would show up. But in reality, 1000s
of people showed up, they all listened, and called in and sent
in their text messages. And it was an incredibly amazing
experience for me, but also very motivating. To do this more
often. While after the show, it was asked that I put that into
podcast form. So that's what you're about to listen to. Of
course, it is long, I didn't expect it to go that long. And
quite possibly, you won't want to listen to two and a half
hours of people asking questions and me answering them. But
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That's right everybody. As always, thank you so much for
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course right before I was going to go live camera goes awry.
Everything is out of sync. Everything is blurry, and
nothing worked. So I had to do a quick reset. It looks like
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live streams, anything goes Honestly, I may have to break.
Because my dog starts barking I have positioned my animals.
Because I am so low at the house, I have a pretty big
puppy, and I've opened the door, I've let him out. So he can come
in and out. Who knows though if he comes busting through that
door behind me. Again, anything goes. So that's why I enjoy
live. But if I do have to break all apologize in advance, I'll
just put a temporary graphic up, go do what I need to do with the
dog, and then pull them in. So here's the deal. It's Saturday
morning, you guys are still coming in. And that's awesome to
me, simply because it is Saturday morning. It's a little
bit early here on the west coast. And obviously on the East
Coast a little bit later, but mid afternoon on a Saturday and
you guys are joining me. So I do appreciate that. So a special
thank you for all of you who are joining me live now with the
chat room just so you know because this is what I call an
Ask me anything or an AMA you'll probably see different
podcasters and YouTubers and stuff do this. I try and do it
every couple months or so because it's the opportunity for
me to essentially interact with all of you. I put a lot of
videos out there put a lot of ideas but a lot of documents put
a lot of all sorts of information. And I know that you
guys have questions. Travis Dearborn, thank you for that
Super Chat donation man. Really, really true. Appreciate that
support. Bow also right behind him both. Thank you. Thank you,
thank you, thank you, all of you who are already supporting this,
this live stream. So back to this. So I call it an AMA. And
again, it's just that it is my opportunity to interact with all
of you guys. Now, the I'm gonna put the put the number on
screen. And since I'm kind of frantically trying to bring
everything back online, because before that reboot, I had
everything all set up and running. And sadly, with that,
reboot, everything obviously is shut off. So I'm kind of
starting all of that again. But I'm going to put the toll free
line to call in, this is how the priority goes on the Ask me
anything priority is going to go to the Super Chat questions,
because I can see them out of the corner of my eye. If I do
miss anything, I'm going to apologize in advance. Trust me,
I will either get to it in this show, just kind of keep asking
if you can. But the Super Chat is really big, and they get
blasted. So I see that text messages, you'll see a text
number two, that literally goes right to my phone. So I will be
able to read those a lot easier than the chat room questions
away from the Super Chat. And, of course, a toll free line. Now
I've also got an Of course, I lost it on that reboot, I just
realized. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to try
and pull up really quick, the Twitter questions, because that
was going to get me started. And I do have this is the joy of
live guys. I mean, this is this is what we do. So I posted a
thing out there on Twitter had quite a few questions all in a
Word document, ready to print. And I think in my frantic reboot
deleted it. So let me pull that up. We'll just kind of go
through them one by one
as we go through. So let me switch screens, what I'm going
to go ahead and do is put on the call in line, and the text line.
And again, that is your opportunity to call in. I do ask
this if I pull you in and put you on hold, you will hear hold
music, my voice doesn't feed back until I bring it onto the
show. Just make sure you turn down your speakers. That way we
don't get feedback. So make sure you turn that down. But I will
pull you on. It's a queueing system. So it's going to tell
you what what position you are in line. And again, second in
line third in line depending upon how many people call, so
we'll be able to do that. So we're already starting all the
way from Canada. Actually. Let me go ahead and pull on this
caller from from Canada. Hey, thanks so much for for calling
in. You're Live on the Air. Who's this?
Unknown: Thomas from? Ontario, Canada, I actually called in
before, but a lot has happened since then.
John Greenewald: A lot has happened. Yeah. I haven't done
this in a while, obviously. But Thomas, thanks for calling in
again. What's your What's your question? What can I do for you?
Unknown: So my question was about the recent statements made
by the NASA director? Yes, I was. So I was just wondering,
what's your take on that? And do you think that's a big deal that
he's what he said?
John Greenewald: I do think it's a big deal, simply because
government agencies, and obviously the NASA Administrator
Bill Nelson is talking about UFOs. And let me before I miss
this, Jenny Lloyd and Steven, who has been a longtime fan of
this site, but also more so a friend. I remember meeting
Stephen more than 20 years ago. You guys, thank you so much. For
all of those super chats. Let me also thank Philip, I'm sorry, I
missed that. I'll get to your question, Philip in a moment. So
thank you guys for the Super Chat. So before I lost that, I
wanted to make sure I thank them. So back to your question.
I think it's very, very important because this is the
first time that government agencies, and the sitting
directors and the administrators are actually commenting on it.
For those who missed it. Bill Nelson started talking about how
they are looking into essentially uaps. And if there
is evidence that potentially there's life out there, they're
going to take an interest in it. That is why I feel that it's
important because after all of these years, those types of
people, either elected officials or appointed officials have
never really commented on it. They've never talked about it,
and they pretty much shy away from it or if they do talk about
it make a joke. And it seems like there's a shift now that
they are taking it seriously. What's going to happen with this
report once it comes out. That's anybody's guess. I'm sure you
guys will have questions about that and we'll get into it. But
the the reality of Bill Nelson talking about it, definitely a
big deal. When they did their press conference, and I think I
posted this video on this channel. When they did the press
conference, Bill Nelson had kind of said that they were taking
the UAP phenomena seriously, and the passed it to one of their
scientists. And they call him Dr. z, I believe, I don't know
how to pronounce his full name. I think it's Dr. z. And
essentially, what he kind of spiraled into was more the
search for extraterrestrial life in the cosmos, versus, I guess,
the search for extraterrestrial life in our atmosphere, if that
makes sense. So he kind of spiraled into what NASA is more
known for, for trying to find find life. But at least the
administrator kind of acknowledged these Navy videos.
And essentially, they were taking it seriously. So long
winded way to answer your question. I know, but I at least
wanted to give some groundwork for those who aren't familiar.
But yeah, it's absolutely important. You're still there,
Tom? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So do you have any
Unknown: seems like a big a big shift in the public's perception
of this issue. And it's just it's one more example.
John Greenewald: It is. Yeah. And there's quite. There's quite
a few. Do you have any? Yeah, go ahead. Alright. That's okay.
Yeah. Do you do you have any ideas on?
Unknown: Like, why there's been this significant shifts in the
past year? Because it doesn't seem like there's any new
information. It's more just like there's been a narrative change.
I mean, I mean, new information in terms of what the government
agency says, yeah. New information. For obviously,
there's new information for us, as citizens. Yeah, I
think.
John Greenewald: I'm not sure what the true core reason is.
But it's fascinating. And and, I mean, I wish I had a more
eloquent answer for you. But I don't think there there is one.
I do think that peer pressure, as silly as that sounds, plays a
role in this meaning that the mainstream media hounding on
this topic, sometimes very bad reporting, other times very good
reporting. But regardless, this massive interest, and
essentially, pressure from the mainstream media and the general
public that's reading those articles, I think, is absolutely
playing a role in in in the shift. And the reason why I say
that is that that there has been a shift in tone with the media,
again, sometimes very bad reporting, and I very much harp
on that, because I do think it's it's bad reporting in many
cases, but it's a serious toned, bad recording, reporting, if
that makes sense. And so what I think happens as a result of
that, is with that serious tone, what happens to the government
and the elected and appointed officials, is they realize if
they just kind of start dismissing this again, and fall
back on their jokes, that you're going to have even more peer
pressure from the general public going, Hey, wait a minute. This
may or may not be aliens, that's not the point. But if if the
most highly trained fighter jet pilots are, are coming forward,
and they're talking about this, and they're scared or fearful
about what these objects are, in some of the interviews, they
talk about that, that essentially that that fear that
trepidation of is this a? Is this something I'm going to have
to fire upon? Or or evade? Are they going to fire upon me,
there's an issue there. And if they continue that, that
fallback of I that's, you know, little green men, haha, that
would not bode well for them. So I think that they were forced to
do the shift. And then once they did that shift, now that has
paved the way for them to do this report, what that report,
again, will entail, I think, is anybody's guess. But I think
that that plays a huge role in the shift.
Unknown: And even even not just military pilots, commercial
pilots to a plane full of passengers that have things
flying right over them. And they have no idea what they are. And
the FAA doesn't, either.
John Greenewald: That's right. And I think we're starting to
hear more and more about that. We're also seeing, or at least
the general public is seeing that this is something that has
gone on for decades, right? This is not anything that started in
2017 with the discovery of a tip and then boom, all of a sudden
we have this phenomena. No, it has stretched back decades upon
decades upon decades. And some of the most interesting stuff
I'll be it happened decades ago, happened when the government
said they had no interest in it. And I think people again,
general public wise, are waking up to that reality that this has
been a phenomena that's been around for a long time, and it's
nothing new and pilot encounters both commercial and military.
Again, there's there's nothing new about that, although it's
great that they're getting on 60 minutes and talking about it,
and so on and so forth. But I think people are definitely
waking up to the reality. This is nothing new. You're sure
yeah. So Thank you. Yeah, go ahead. Alright,
Unknown: just I don't know if you caught this. But recently
there was an interview with Sam Harris.
John Greenewald: I did not catch it, to be honest with you, but
I, I've heard rumbles about it, that he was like asked to go in
and play a role in disclosure or something like that. But I find
it very strange. I don't know. You know, claims like that. My
problem with that is if if, if you really was asked to do that,
he was probably asked not to talk. I mean, I would think that
he would be asked not to talk about it until it happened. So
for me when I hear claims like that, and claims like that are
nothing new, either these big, grandiose claims of people being
on the inside or playing an instrumental role in some world
shifting event. I don't know the man Personally, I know he's
incredibly popular as a huge following. I just don't know
really anything about him. But again, how I approach claims
like that is, that's great. But until it happens, or until we
see something, I just kind of take it for what it's worth, you
know, and sadly, a lot of those types of claims never pan out.
So Time will tell I mean, hey, if we have disclosure tomorrow,
I'll be a happy camper, especially if he's out there
spearheading it, or was, you know, consulted on it? But
regardless, I just, I just take those things as with a grain of
salt. And if it happens, it happens. If not, I wouldn't be
surprised. Yeah, and there have been a lot of celebrities making
big claims recently like Baker Mayfield. Yes. So that's the
other problem with celebrities, too, is they kind of hop on the
bandwagon. And do they want the press because celebrities when
they come out? God bless them, you know, get a ton of press,
but like, why, you know, I mean, that's, that's great that, you
know, celebrity XYZ, because I don't want to put anybody on the
spot, but either saw a UFO or they're interested or whatever.
But look at how much press they get, you know, and they're
entertainers and they they live for that press and publicity and
this, that and the other thing. So I'm not saying that nothing
happened to celebrities like that, but it's just always a
major red flag for me when stuff like that happens. So like Tom
DeLonge? Sounds a bit. I mean, who knows? But sounds a bit out
there. Yeah, I guess we'll find out. I think a lot. A lot of
those celebrities are quite a bit out there. But anyway, man,
I truly appreciate you calling. I'm not trying to cut you off. I
just want to get to some of these questions here that are
piling up. But thank you so much for calling in from from Canada.
Man. I really appreciate it. And I hope you call in again. Thanks
for having me. Thank you anytime. All right. So numbers
are on the screen. I've got tons of text messages that we're
going to get to here. There was one that I promised that was a
chat. Excuse me, a Super Chat from Philip or Felipe, where do
you think UAP phenomena is? Well, that's a great, very
generalized question and one that that can simply be answered
this way. I mean, it's up but you know, I mean, it's, it's in
our skies, there's no denying that the phenomena is definitely
here. The so it's, it's real. There's there's no, there's no
way about it. The question mark, though, is what it is, is it
alien? Is it top secret military technology? We're not really
sure. And I know that there's a lot of people that are new. And
I'm not sure if you, sir, are new to the to the topic or been
around for a long time. But I think that one thing if you are
new or newer to it, that you know, definitely look at the
history behind the phenomena, how long it's been around, where
it's being seen both in our skies and in our water, you
know, going in and out of our water. There's a lot of cases
that have been bantered about lately. So where it is, there's
your physical locale what it is, that would be an even bigger
question and one that's very, very hard to answer. So I hope
that that helps you a little bit there. With with your question,
let me go ahead and pull. Let me pull another caller onto the
line. Who's this? Hey, john, plan be calling from New York.
Hey, there, how are ya? Good, how you doing? I'm good. Thank
you. What's your question?
Unknown: Well, I just want to start off and say that I've been
a big fan of your work for a long time. I think we're both
roughly around the same age. I've been following you since
the 90s. And just really proud of to see how you've progressed
with the channel and, and all the success you've been having.
John Greenewald: I appreciate that. Thank you. Now, back to
business. Oh, sounds like a good one.
Unknown: You know, you know, there's a lot of action going on
out there in the UFO field and you know, I'm a little skeptical
of some of it. But I'm just wondering, do you have any sort
of fear that this sort of disclosure movement is being
used as like an excuse to maybe implement some sort of space war
fighting domain? Well, look,
John Greenewald: I mean, that that's definitely part of a
bigger, I don't want to call it conspiracy theory, because I
don't want to diminish it. But that's definitely part of of the
theory of some secret agenda behind this that, is there
something that is going to play a role in funding our space
warfare, the space force is still relatively new. Is it all
connected? And I'm not sure about that. I mean, I think for
me, I look at it more simplistically, in the fact that
this phenomena is real, I think they finally have been convinced
of that, meaning the general consensus of the US government
that they've been convinced. And so they, they have to figure out
what it is, if if they meaning the government starts funding,
you know, space, whether it be technology, or the space force,
and connecting it to the UAP phenomena. I think that in
itself would be not only very telling, but also it would be
kind of a big interest to the general public in a bad PR kind
of way. So I think that what's going to happen when the
government addresses this more and more, is they will do
everything they can to separate the space domain versus UAP.
Because if they connect it, then the general public will connect
it and say, Aha, this is this is definitely leaning towards an
alien thing. And I don't think they want that. I think that's a
PR disaster. So yes, it's a very prevalent theory. I'm just not
sold on it yet.
Unknown: Hmm. And what is it about this, that we are so sure
that this is in US military technology? I know they've come
out and said, Well, this isn't ours. But I mean, if it was
ours, would they even say that, you know, originally? I mean,
they just seems logical that they would deny that it was our
technology in the first place.
John Greenewald: I think it's a great question. When it comes to
videos that the US military itself has said, we cannot
identify these, there are two options. They're lying, which we
know they've done it in the past. So are they lying? Now? I
mean, that's anybody's guess. Or the second option is they're
actually telling the truth. They have no idea what these things
are. I pushed on those original three videos, which again, for
those who aren't aware, those are officially unidentified
flying objects or unidentified aerial phenomena. And that is
the true designation of those three videos. My connection to
that was that I was able to get the Navy to first go on the
record about it in September of 2019. When that story then
broke, I started pushing the Pentagon asking them, okay,
let's, let's try and figure out is there some other explanation
here? And I pushed the Pentagon for an answer on would a branch
of the military, let's say the US Air Force, test, top secret
or classic, you know, classified technology against the US Navy
without their knowledge. Because at the end of the day, you now
have the Navy who's actually telling the truth that they have
no idea what those objects are, because they were not read in as
as a military branch. And the US Air Force that's testing this
highly classified technology, does it against the Navy, I
thought that that was plausible. I wasn't trying to prove it,
rather than I just wanted to see what they would say. And they
came back and said that they would never do that, that they
would never test without the Navy's knowledge, any type of
classified technology. So that was a interesting revelation
doesn't sound real big. But for me, it was fascinating, because
that was an out for them. That was an out to say, yes,
potentially, they could could test classified technology.
Maybe they won't admit that 2004 Nimitz encounter was, but
speaking in broad strokes, would they say it, and they said that
they would never do it. So that in itself proved Okay, if the
government really doesn't know what these things are. And from
2004 to 2019, when I wrote that story, originally, if they were
unable in that amount of time, to truly figure out what these
objects were, does that ultimately rule out on identify
or does that ultimately rule out classified objects that were
being captured by these f 18 pilots? And I mean, I'll let all
of you guys decide. But it's, it's interesting. So are they
lying? You know, are they just saying Yeah, yeah, we have no
idea what these things are. But in reality, they know darn well
what they are maybe, and and I wouldn't surprise me because
I've caught him in many lies before. But one one thing I will
point out to you as well, and I'm sure we'll get more into
this into the channel, or as this video progresses on this
channel, in that the leaked post gimbal go fast and FLIR videos.
So the ones from Jeremy core Bell, and George Knapp, the
videos and the briefing slides and the photographs. I pushed to
see what the Pentagon would designate them as, because the
Pentagon said, Yes, they're real. Yes, they were taken by US
Navy pilots. And yes, they're utilized by the UAP Task Force.
And those answers came very, very quickly. What they would
not do after being pressed upon it was give a designation, do
they know what they are? Are they unidentified? Are they
uaps? Are they balloons? Are they drones? Are they classified
tech? Nothing, they wouldn't comment on that. And I feel that
that is part of a bigger story that has yet to be written yet.
That they will not comment on the designation of those they
did on the FLIR gimbal and go fast. But everything that came
out after and leaked out after they won't touch. What does that
mean? I mean, I have a couple guesses. But I just wanted to
throw that out there that that I think those aspects of the story
plays a much bigger role.
Unknown: Hmm. Yeah. And, you know, I don't want to take up
all your time here. But you mentioned though, I hear this a
lot. Everyone talks about people being read in or briefed in. And
I'm wondering, you know, who are these people that are doing the
briefing? You know, because a lot of people talk about, oh,
well, this president wasn't read in or this person wasn't read
in? Well, who's in charge of that? Who is in charge of the
government and reading these things into people? Because it
seems like if the president isn't read into these UFO
programs, then there must be some sort of, quote unquote,
Shadow Government operating behind the scenes. I mean, what
what's going on there? Yeah, I
John Greenewald: mean, I think the people that are doing the
briefing of the ones that are not elected officials, they're
not appointed officials. Rather, they're people behind the
scenes, military, brass, those cleared for whatever knowledge
there is to be gained from this phenomena. They're cleared to
see it, understand it, and even you know, write about it and
brief others about it. I've dug through the the Navy archives of
emails and tried to trace around to who was involved. And so I've
got some articles on the black vault. I'll I'll after this
stream. Somebody remind me to dig that link up. But I'll be
more than happy to post it for you. But essentially, you you
can see some of the names that again, you don't see every day
in the press, if at all, that were the ones that were involved
in crafting the UAP related statements. If I were a betting
man, which I am, I would say that those are the people away
from the spokespeople. Those are the people, those are the
individuals that are responsible for the briefings. And again,
it's people that are not doing press conferences every day.
They're not elected officials. They're not speaking to the
general public, they're working behind the scenes. And when it
when it's appropriate, and they do the briefing. Marco Rubio
comes in Mark Warner comes in, they get the briefing from
individuals like that. And then they come out of their
classified briefing. And you know, don't tell anybody,
anything what they heard. But I think that that's that that's
what you're talking about. Right? Yeah. So hey, thanks so
much for your call. No, thank you, john, thanks for taking the
call. You're awesome. appreciate all the work.
I appreciate that you take care of yourself, and definitely
calling in the future. I appreciate it. Take care of you
as well. And so thanks for your patience, everybody. I'm getting
lots of questions. So these are always exciting, especially as
the channel grows, and the audience number grows. I want to
go back to the chat room on a Super Chat. This is from Wald
hammer coming in, and I really appreciate your support on that.
So thank you. Your question posted in the Super Chat saw a
great question in chat earlier, and I wanted to make sure you
saw it. Have you ever submitted a FOIA on yourself and what has
come up? If so, great question. And the answer is yes. A couple
years back, and I've done this a couple times. And it's funny,
actually, I mean, when you request on yourself,
essentially, you're probably talking about an FBI file. The
FBI has been known to watch organizations, people, you know,
and what they're doing. I am officially on and this isn't a
joke. I'm officially on what's called a victim list on the FBI.
And what that means is is that I am annoying as heck, if you
don't know what the word vexen means. There is a very small
list of individuals but more so organizations that essentially
are the problem childs of the oil world. Those that can I've
heard a couple of different reasonings, those that can
garner media attention for their foi requests, those that can
write and get a lot of reach. So if they release something of
importance, this small list of people can create an issue
essentially A PR nightmare. And so that that they've created
internally a list of of what they call vec. Some requesters
are vexen people. And I'm one of the few actual individuals
that's listed versus organization. So you see some of
the bigger media outlets that really push for stories. So I do
know that I'm on that list. But I have requested a file on me,
where, you know, if they've been either watching me or they have
some kind of whatever behind the scenes, one of the quicker
responses I ever got from the FBI, and they said, No. So it
doesn't seem plausible that I don't have any type of file, but
I'm on this back some list, quite possibly. Who knows? I
really don't know. But regardless, that's what the FBI
has said. So no file on me, but I definitely annoy the heck out
of that agency. interesting side note, the IRS is actually has
their own vaccine list. They don't call it that. But they as
well kind of keep track of who can create a problem for that
agency, essentially, through FOIA, and the attention that
their releases can get through certain outlets or through
certain individuals on that list as well. So I'm, hopefully never
never get audited, because they hate me so bad. So I haven't
gone through that yet. But they do have these internal problem
lists. And that's a badge of honor. I'm on a couple of them.
Dan, James. Dan, thank you so much for that Super Chat. Let me
read it all together here for the first time Lieutenant Ryan
graves indicated both he and other pilots, were seeing ua
peas on a daily basis for years. So is, is this report's number
of 120 instances seem a little light and a deliberate downplay.
So that's a great question that that that was to me was the
biggest revelation out of the New York Times recent article
about the UAP report. Now, God bless the New York Times, and
all the journalists that come along with that. But if you
watch this channel, I've harped on their reporting in the past
simply for their inaccuracies. And you don't need to take my
word for it, you can take the word of their corrections that
they've been forced to post on a couple of their claims. So if
there is truth to this, right, and their article of 120 cases
that the UAP Task Force has investigated or looked into, if
there's truth to that, I'm excited, because that, to me, is
a much bigger number than I thought. Does it seem light?
Well, again, it's it seems heavy to me, that they're
acknowledging that much. But based on the testimony of Ryan
graves, and what he has said, He seems like a very cool guy. I've
talked to him a couple a couple times, and no reason to doubt
what he is saying, at all. But that if they were having these
encounters every day for a couple years, to me, it seems
like that's a huge story. And that we should have been made
more aware of that at this point, or that there should be
more material available at this point. I don't know what to
think of that. At the end of the day, I truly don't. But it's
like when stuff like this happens in in bulk, right, and
you have so many different encounters. And that's a lot of
pilots, right? I don't think that that's like four or five
pilots flying around the same waters for a couple years. My
guess is you have a much larger list of names of men and women.
And And truly, God bless them for their service to this
country. But you've got a longer list of the men and women that
have been flying in and around that area, or the radar
operators or the ship personnel that are out on deck with their
field binoculars and see something in the sky or fill in
the blank. There's a lot of people that would be involved in
something like that. And we only have a handful of people that
are speaking about it and a very small amount of quote unquote,
leaked photographs and videos essentially. So when you have
something that's happening that prevalently I would think at
this point, we would see more of it, or at least I would hope so.
And we haven't doesn't mean anything doesn't mean that that
Ryan graves is wrong. I'm just saying I'm surprised that more
has not come out. So if and when that happens, I hope it does.
We'll see but, but those are my thoughts on that.
Another Super Chat, bn any thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn oil
leaks? Absolutely. I've got some thoughts. First of all, I don't
like anonymous sources and I don't like leaks, plain and
simple. I've always been that way for 25 years, I've run the
black vault. I've gotten myself in trouble with some people when
I speak out against leakers and whistleblowers that bring out
potentially classified information or definitely
classified information. I think that's a problem. So The issue
aside, what intrigues me about Jeremy stuff is the fact that
the government has quickly acknowledged that it's real,
that it's quickly being acknowledged, it's utilized by
the UAP Task Force. So the question mark is why, why with
that, and I'll go back to what I pulled in 510 minutes ago with a
caller? Why won't the government say that they're unidentified?
So all that stuff that's coming out of Jeremy and George, and
kudos to them for bringing it out? Because it's being
confirmed by the Pentagon? Why is it that the Pentagon will not
comment on the designation? And I don't know why, why that is,
it will not surprise me if we see these leaks in the UAP task
force report, and being used as essentially examples of stuff we
can identify. Now, I can absolutely be wrong on that.
That's a guess. And if it's not in the report, and that doesn't
happen, I guarantee some people will, you know, harass me on
social media going Ah, you said that this would be, you know, in
the report uses a primmer. Again, that's just speculation
and a guess. But I do believe the fact that they did not
designate this yet, is part of the story. Here's another aspect
to it, I'm why I say that a lot of times a designation, it has
the potential for being classified. So when you talk
about the gimbal FLIR and go fast videos, the designation
officially is confirmed as being UAP. So they consider
unidentified aerial phenomena are depicted in those videos,
that tells me as a researcher, that the designation of UAP is
not a classified designation, because those can't exist. So
the the fact that they will label something UAP, and we can
prove it shows that it is not classified. So what happens now
is why won't they on this other stuff? Because we can rule out
Well, it's not a classified issue. It's not not designated
top secret or secret or whatever. So why won't they do
that? And the question mark remains, so we will see as time
unfolds, I've had I've had a caller here on hold from
Phoenix. And so I apologize. You were on hold there for a while.
Who's this? Oh, no
Unknown: problem, sir. Mr. Greenwald, thanks very much for
having me on. My name is Ivan. I'm from Gilbert, Arizona. Hey
there, how are you? I'm doing pretty well, sir. Thank you. So
I'll try to make my point. My points actually kind of quick,
and then I'll move on. Because I know you're busy there. So we
want it's quite obvious to me that this phenomenon, there's
something to it, right. I mean, you have all these witnesses and
whistleblowers and things that we've seen, particularly people
in the military, and even before that.
John Greenewald: I hate, I hate to interrupt you, but you're
really breaking up. So I guess, do you hear me now? I can,
Unknown: yeah. Nothing. So I'm just going to make my point. And
then I'll leave? Sure. I think at this point, we basically have
no choice. I think that if if people are going to start taking
this seriously. And you know, like the media has already kind
of put this behind the, you know, it looks like in advance
and that story. Correct. So I think a wonderful whistleblower
does not have to release some real, real clear footage,
something that people that's completely undeniable. I
understand that sometimes, you know, this might be I mean, I'm
not condoning it. But I think this is so important that
somebody has to basically put their freedom on the line.
There's no other choice. You know, the government's never
going to tell us the truth. They be hiding this question, or they
won't even tell us the truth on the origins of the virus, what
makes you think they're going to tell us the truth about UFOs?
You know, they're never going to tell us the truth, ever. So
that's the only way, you know, and I think this is something
big enough that, you know, the world is crumbling and
collapsing. And it's, you know, it's a story like this that will
unify the whole world. I just don't see any other feature, to
be honest with you without first being exposed and everything
else. I mean, it's just I think it's time for us to somebody has
to stick their neck out. You know, yeah.
John Greenewald: No, I, I got you there. So let me I'm gonna
answer your question here. I'm only going to disconnect it just
because of the the audio so I'm going to apologize to you. I'm
not trying to cut you off. I can get off the line now. Yeah, that
was just my point, sir. No problem. And I appreciate your
call. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm sorry that connection
wasn't ideal on my side, but so Yeah, so so thank you for your
call. Let me really quickly what I had gleaned from that because
I know it was a little bit challenging to hear was the
government is never going to tell us the truth. And
essentially, we're going to need somebody that really does blow
the whistle and come out and tell us the real information.
That is a very interesting aspect to this that a lot of
people don't realize or deal with. And the reason is, is
because, number one, the government has lied and has lied
for quite some time, right? Like nobody can
hide from that it is the most easily provable cover up, in my
opinion. And I've dealt with every government secret over the
last 25 years, and UFOs is the most challenging. So why is it
in 2021? that some people think, aha, this is it, we're gonna
have finally the truth. This is disclosure, this is they're
gonna reveal secrets that have been maintained for decades. I'm
not sure why people are so hopeful of that nothing has
truly shifted, that would make them do that. There's been a
shift to make them acknowledge it. But that's a lot different
than them coming clean. And I think that that, for me, anyway,
is one of the bigger aspects to this story that nobody is
realizing the same people that are really rooting for this
report to come out, are the ones that never believe the
government anyway. So how can those things go hand in hand? If
on one hand, you say the government lies all the time,
and on the other hand, you're saying, haha, this is it,
they're going to come out and tell us the truth. Finally, and
this is going to be disclosure? How is that possible? we don't
we don't there's a huge disconnect there. So that's why
I'm yeah, optimistic to see it. But I said on a show yesterday,
where I was being interviewed, we talked about this. And I'll
bring it up again, where I'm more interested in the
background. How did that report get made? Who was talking about
it? What are those 120 cases because you know, darn well,
that 120 of them are not going to be in there. So what are they
and and that's what I'm going to go after the moment that that
report is released, you could bet your bottom dollar, I'm
going to have 3500 FOIA requests filed by mid day whenever that
happens. So again, going back to the caller's question, I think
that there's a big issue that a lot of people don't deal with, I
don't see a shift that they're going to come clean. The shift
at this point is only the acknowledgement that the
phenomena, whatever it is, is real and warrants something new
and more. So we'll see, you know, again, what happens when
this report comes out. But I would just tread carefully.
That's my biggest advice for everybody is tread carefully,
because again, who's to say that they're not going to be either
lying through their teeth or, or what and continue what has been
going on for decades. And that's not conspiracy talk for those
that are maybe new to this topic that is provable by the evidence
that the US government will give you. So that cover up that I
talked about that so easily proven, that is only using their
own evidence, no leaked material, no secret insider
information, no anonymous sources. That is all through the
Freedom of Information Act. And there are 1000s and 1000s of
pieces of paper that I can show you some declassified, in full,
others are still classified to this day. But that all tells a
story that there is a major major cover up here. Let me go
to the Super Chat again. And make sure I'm not missing
anything. So again, guys, I'm sorry, the chat itself is really
hopping. There's, I'm showing more than 400 of you all in the
chat room right now watching this live. So that is awesome.
So thank you for that. So there's no way I can watch that
chat. What I can see because they're gigantic squares on my
monitor over here are super chats. And those really really
stick out makes it helpful. So that's why you're seeing me
prioritize those because they're very, very helpful to the
channel. But obviously I can see them Have you seen the my UFO
propulsion version 4.0 theory posted on on Reddit, what are
your thoughts on that? So dark horse, so no h on there? I was
expecting an H Dark Horse. Thank you for that Super Chat. And
Man, I wish I had a better answer for you, especially since
your support in the channel. I'm not familiar with that. I do. I
do traverse Reddit from time to time, you'll see my posts on
there and I like to just kind of lurk and see what's posted
there. But I'll be honest with you if that was something the
last day or so I have been totally off of Reddit for the
most part. So I did not see that. So man, I'm really sorry I
don't have a better answer for you. But I will look into that
and drop me an email. All of you can but it's just Very simple
and straightforward, john, at the black vault.com. And I will
definitely get to that. So before I get to the caller,
there are so many text messages that have come in. Let me see if
I could bang out a couple of these as we as we go here. Give
me one second.
Hey, john, just wondering, have you been paying any kind to the
attention that China has been giving to UAP stuff lately been
seeing rumors that they are taking it all very seriously,
you want to bring up the issue? In the UN? Do you believe that
this is pushing a more transparent government at all?
Thanks for all you do. Thank you for the text message. In short,
yes, I'm following it. I do believe that other countries,
especially world powers are seeing the seeing the interest
in the UAP phenomenon, and also the potential concern of a
security risk. And it also could be, it also could be strategic
on their end. And let me explain that in a second. But I think
that they're probably seeing all of that information come to
light. They're realizing that citizens on a global scale are
likely concerned that if it is not China, or Iran, or Russia or
even America, who are they? So the times we live in are a big
concern to general Siddons citizens around the world. So I
think that that they would essentially have to or be forced
to look into that a little bit in the same respect. What if
they are Chinese? Right? There's a big question out there. What
if they're Russia or China? And some have said, No, there's no
way that it's Russia or China? Well, let's just play a
strategic Intel game for a second or counter Intel game, in
that what if they are? So the prime way to deter people from
looking at you is to say, Yeah, we got no idea what these things
are, either. And when in reality, they're they're Chinese
drones or whatever. I'm not betting my my house on that, by
the way. So please don't think that that's what I'm saying. I'm
throwing out the idea and concept that from a
counterintelligence perspective, it plays a value to say we have
no idea what these things are, when in reality, they're theirs.
And that same tactic is true for us. And we can't forget that.
Even though the government says that they won't lie about
classified tech that they may say we can neither confirm nor
deny or whatever, there is potentially a value to give the
aura that they're clueless. Yet in reality, it's their own
technology. Again, not betting my house on it, but it's
something that we have to consider too. We can't anymore.
I'll get two more text messages. Here's another Super Chat one
galactic beat galactic beat. Thank you so much for your
support of the channel. keep hearing about a large black
triangle ship coming out of the water with exceptional quality
video, possibly from Navy 2019. Have you heard of this? Can you
speak more? galactic bead? I only laughed because it is a
great question. And it's one that's frustrating. And here's
why. There are so many rumors out there. And this is one of
them, where people talk about or make claims using only anonymous
sources. And again, I've said it in this stream. And on this
channel, many times anonymous sources are so frustrating
because you can't verify or authenticate anything. You are
simply left with either the blogger or the journalists
promise that they vetted the anonymous source. But how do we
know? You know, and I'll use the New York Times and sadly throw
them under the bus because they've earned it in their
reporting in the past. And they even named their source of Harry
Reid, saying that he said that that he believed the background
with some of these crashes was that they were offworld vehicles
essentially insinuating they were aliens, The New York Times
later retracted that, so how do we know? Right? That's the New
York Times that's not Joe blows blog anymore? That's the New
York Times and yet they are forced to to retract and correct
statements like that. That's a huge thing to say, to a former
gang of eight senate majority leader and attribute Hey, we're
seeing offworld vehicles. That doesn't, that doesn't compete
with me that a major mainstream outlet like that would make that
mistake yet they do. So my bigger point with pointing that
out is how do we know them? These smaller outlets are these
blogs that often tout anonymous sources are either being
truthful or not being misled themselves, this triangle photo
from everything that I know about it, and please correct me
in the chat if I'm wrong, but everything that I've known about
it is yes, it's a rumor. Yes, people are bantering about it.
And I think you even have one or two people that have hinted that
they've seen it or whatever. Yep, they can prove nothing at
this point. So until we see it, to me, I guess it doesn't exist
because in the grander scheme of the UFO world For decades, we've
heard these rumors most of which don't pan out. So I'm not trying
to be a negative Nancy about it, because it is a great question.
I'd love to see that. But you're talking about something that at
this point has no supporting evidence that any of us can
verify. And so that take that for what it's worth.
And they make sure there's no one there. Okay. And I apologize
yet again, collar been hanging there for quite a while. And I
appreciate you doing that. Who's this? Hi, john. This is Joe. And
from Ohio. Hey, Joe from Ohio. Thanks for calling in. I'm so
sorry that you were on hold there for a while. What can I do
for you?
Unknown: No, I appreciate you taking my call. I'm going to try
to be brief, just to be respectful of everyone else's
time as well. But my question does have a slight bit of build
up to it. So I don't know how familiar you are with like Dr.
help put off and Dr. Eric Davis. But it seems as though recently
there's been some interesting comments made by Lou Elizondo,
and both as Richard Dolan interview, and also in Tucker
Carlson about crash retrieval, and then hasn't really gone into
much detail on it just stated it. But in any case, it was
after he did that on Tucker Carlson that Dr. Eric Davis, who
is, you know, a faculty member it Baylor's Physics Department.
He came out and stated that blues assertions were 1,000%
correct, but that he couldn't comment further because of MBAs.
Now, obviously, people making comments isn't the same thing as
actual proof or evidence. But it is interesting that all of these
comments are coming out at the same time. And I guess, within
the last couple of days, Mr. Or Dr. Put off, it also confirmed
that the special National Intelligence estimate from 1961
that was like supposedly about crash retrieval that had been
leaked was an was actually a leak. I'm still skeptical
myself, because it was, you know, this is the whole mj 12
type conspiracy theory that has been out there for a long time.
But I'm just wondering if you would be willing to comment on
that. Maybe I know, you've given thoughts on it in the past. But
does any of the new media probably doesn't change your
opinion at all? Does it? I mean, until we have actual evidence
besides commentary? Yeah,
John Greenewald: I mean, I don't want to say that it doesn't, you
know, change my, my theory at all, just because I want to be a
skeptic or debunker. There's just no evidence of it. And in
fact, on this channel, I've done a video on that. And IE that put
off has hinted at that was real, because he made a comment in a
speech a couple of years ago about it, if that truly is
confirmed that that's what he's referring to. I mean, I, in my
opinion, I believe that ni ees is a hoax, and not real. And
that's what's kind of worrisome about some of this. The other
thing too, and I've talked to Dr. Put off, and I mean, no
disrespect to him or anyone, really. But the problem is, is
that when you do and conversations like this, and
questions, where they say, you know, we we have an NDA or
security clearance, we can't talk about it, it makes it
really challenging, you know, to confirm anything. And the other
thing is, you see a lot of the same names and a lot of stories
and stories that have survived even well before a tip, some of
which are highly controversy, look at how Dr. Hall put offs,
you know, connection or alleged connections to project serpo and
stuff like that stuff that is, again, really not holding any
true weight of legitimacy. You had mentioned Dr. Eric Davis.
He's one that I'm sorry to say has also been caught
disseminating false information and put in a public domain,
which I tried to respectfully point out and, and he didn't
like that very much. But I feel that it needs to be pointed out
and I don't know what it is. I'm talking about broad strokes.
Now. Not anybody in specifics, but I'm not sure if people like
that in that group in that world. And people that have
worked in classified tech and stuff like that, if they like
the aura that they are just more read in than they really are.
You know, are they into that? I don't know. I really don't. But
it seems to me that that is an impression that I get these
leaked documents again, there's just no indication that they are
real. And when this offworld vehicle talk came and then
you've got the Wilson Davis documents floating around,
there's so much mud that has been thrown in the water. It's a
shame because if there truly is material that has been retrieved
from UAP meaning is a craft of, you know, a highly advanced, I'm
trying to get my words careful here. But if they receive
something from a highly advanced piece of technology that they
deem as a UAP, I just don't think that people would even be
walking around talking about it or even hinting about it,
because you're talking about something that would be highly
classified in nature. And the mere existence of it would be
something that anybody with a high classification wouldn't
touch it, they just don't see it. I mean, how many people?
This is a rhetorical question I'll throw out there, how many
people were out there, hinting that they were working on like
the B two stealth bomber, or the f 117? Before they were ever
officially acknowledged? I'm not aware of any that were out there
hinting and go getting pressed with questions. And then they
go, I've got an NDA can't talk about it. No, those men and
women were behind the scenes, they weren't talking about
anything. And so that's where I think history plays a very
important role. When you try and decipher some of these leaks.
And the Bible is are like stories, and even Bob Azhar
himself. I'm sorry, there's people that have leaked true
classified information. And where are they, they're either
in jail or hiding in a hole, literally, you know, support
them or not. You can't hide from the fact that they're in jail or
hiding in some embassy somewhere or in a hole. So you can look at
history on true classified information coming out, and what
happens to the person, but in the UFO realm, it's like people
can walk around and hint about stuff and even outright claim
stuff and nothing ever happens to them. People made claims the
Bible is ours, history was erased and stuff like that. But
we don't we don't really see true evidence that that that
happened, you know, and you dig into these stories. You see that
a lot. So I hope that wasn't too long winded. But I answered your
question. And again, I'm not trying to be a negative nancies
skeptic about it. It's just it's so hard with these leaked
documents and claims to verify it all.
Unknown: No, I totally understand that. And I know
you've done an immense amount of work, you know, digging into a
lot of these stories, and, you know, providing a very
thoughtful analysis on it. So appreciate you for doing that.
And thank you for taking my call. Oh, anytime. And I really
appreciate it. hope that answered your question. But
thank you.
John Greenewald: All right. So there is a super chat question.
Hot sauce. Thank you so much for that donation to the Super Chat.
Are you scheduled for any upcoming events or recommend
any? So COVID has obviously been a challenge for everybody more.
So for me, watchers of the channel, no, my wife works in a
COVID unit. Now knock on wood, the consensus in COVID units
nationwide, are very much down at this point. So things are
kind of turning around. So I hope that that stays true. But
it's made appearances very, very difficult. As the world open
opens back up, I've had to turn a couple down, just simply
because of scheduling. But man, I am eager to get back out there
in the physical world, lecturing, it's one of my most
favorite things to do. But for now, I don't have anything
scheduled just because I've had to turn a couple appearances
down. And it comes down to scheduling. But as again to
census looks good. And in COVID numbers, my wife schedule won't
be too insane. I've got two children, a seven year old and a
two year old, which are two monster challenges in my life.
But that aside, yeah, I'm definitely interested in getting
out there. So for now anyway, scheduled in the digital world
right here on the YouTube channel. So hopefully that will
answer some of your question there. Let me get some chat,
chat text messages here. Where might leaks to core Bell and nap
be coming from what might be the purpose? Can we absolutely be
sure it's coming from the US government and not someone on
the outside possibly even foreign? All great questions,
none of which anybody has the answers to probably other than
Jeremy korbel. And George Knapp, in my opinion, why the
government is talking about this so quickly, is something that is
of big interest to me. I've mentioned it already in this
video. I won't go over it again. But the speed that they have
essentially been doing this confirming these leaks, I think
is very intriguing. When it comes to the UAP taskforce. I
think Christopher Mellon is the one that's gone essentially on
the record and posted out there. It's incredibly underfunded. And
there's very few people involved. So if this is coming
from the UAP Task Force, my I would imagine that the list of
suspects of those that would be the leaker so to speak, would be
very, very small. Or are are these just readily passed around
to Navy personnel and one of those people were the ones that
leaked it which then is set again, would essentially make
now the suspect list go from very small to very, very big.
I'm not really sure. But the answer is I don't have any
insider information on where Jeremy or George gets these
leaks. I'm not sure I just have guesses. I'm just more
interested in the government's swiftness confirming the
authenticity. One other thing to point out is that they have the
Pentagon has a couple months ago, denied that they were
investigating the leaks. Right? So they said no, and which was
very intriguing to me, why wouldn't you? Even if they're
unclassified, they're still likely considered for official
use only. So why would they just not care? You know, those, those
pieces of evidence would need to be
reviewed prior to release, so they don't care. A couple of
weeks ago, I asked the Pentagon again, and said, you know,
here's more stuff that you cuz you're just, you know, quickly
confirming, I've got to ask again, you know, is there any
type of investigation? Now they're dodging the question. So
I think that that was around about admission, that yes, they
are concerned about this, that they are looking into it,
because let's face it, it's a concern. These can be balloons
or drones, whatever terrestrial explanation. Skeptics want to
put on it. But regardless, if they're being utilized by the
UAP Task Force in classified briefings, then there are
potentially those that have a security clearance that is
extracting, albeit an unclassified elements,
extracting something from the report, and then sending it out
there into the ether for everybody to look at. That would
be a concern, because if they'll do it with a UAP balloon photo,
again, I'm being facetious there with with a skeptical label on
it. But if they're going to be willy nilly about that, who's to
say they're not going to do it about something else that's even
more sensitive. So it wasn't surprising to me that they did a
shift in tone. Let me do a couple others. Would you be
willing to share your thoughts about Daniel Sheehan and his
plan meeting with AIG next Wednesday? Look, I'd love to
pick Danny's brain a little bit more on that I'm very intrigued
by the i g investigation or rather, evaluation versus
investigation. I've heard rumors, there are two others. I
think Danny himself has also said that, that they are
investigating. You know, the treatment of Luis Elizondo
political reported that there was a 64 page complaint that was
submitted, other than what's been reported publicly, I
wouldn't have anything to add to it. Other than behind me,
there's popcorn popping, because I'm super intrigued on how all
of that will turn out and what essentially will become public,
because there is a lot involved in that. Not right now. But
there's a lot involved in that process that will be foible in
the future. And although I did go for the 64 page report, or
excuse me complaint that was submitted by Luis Elizondo, and
his attorney, it was denied under what's called exemption B
seven B seven is essentially an open law enforcement
investigation or information that could potentially involve a
law enforcement proceeding, essentially since the Igy. Is
that sounds a little bit more sinister than it really is
essentially, since the IGA is still open with their evaluation
and potentially an investigation into the Luis Elizondo issue.
Then all of that is going to be exempt once they close that
investigation fair game. We do one more and then I'll hit the
phone because I know you guys are holding on there a while. Do
you believe Bob has our story about him working out on his on
this? Okay. Essentially his offworld vehicles do I believe
Bob does are to be honest with you No, I don't my good good
good dear friend of more than 20 years the late Stanton Friedman
I know really dug into that and i would i would relinquish to a
lot of his work he did he did great work he's somebody that
would pick up the telephone and physically go places to confirm
the claims of Bob Azhar versus you know do some Google stuff
and and and make some theories. So he really dug in I have as
well but to a point and I saw enough to say look, you know,
there's no way that this guy would have access to that type
of technology and information and then just be able to go to
some affiliate station in Las Vegas, even in silhouette, talk
about it then reveal his identity and then continue to
talk about it and nothing ever happens. And and for stories to
be embellished over the years, I know that a lot of people think
he was rated for potentially they were looking for element
115 we know that that's not true. Sadly, it was just kind of
spun that way. So there's a lot of when you dig in, there's a
lot of those types of things that just aren't true and and we
did he work unclassified technology. Yeah, potentially
wouldn't surprise me. Did he have a government contract?
Yeah, potentially potentially wouldn't surprise me. Did he
work at Los Alamos as a contractor? Yeah, wouldn't
surprise me but seeing alien spacecraft and so on and so
forth at a hangar, I just don't see that he would be able to get
away from it.
So here's another one. And I read these on the spot. So
apologies. Hey, john, Mike from Philly here. Thanks for all you
do love your tenacity, my question his thoughts on Lou
being a kinder, gentler, gentler Richard doty. I'm on the fence
with him just seems like he's tossed out there to relate to
the every man, that's all someone you could have a beer
with type guy. Something just doesn't feel right. That's all
just just asking for your thoughts on that. Thank you.
Well, thank you for the question. So in short, I mean,
my history with Luis Elizondo, obviously, I'm one of being very
skeptical of any claim. I did not single him out. For anybody
who's watched the black Vault for a long time. That's how I've
been, I've always question I question everything, that's the
right way to do it, because the truth will survive scrutiny.
Somebody told me that on Reddit a couple years ago, and that is
stuck with me because you know, some people just don't want
those questions ask the the very difficult questions. And so what
they want is, is essentially just leave people like Luis
Elizondo alone, let him come out to tell the story and so on,
don't rock the boat, for me that that Reddit comment was, was
resonated so much to me, and within me, because it's like, no
matter what I or notable skeptics or debunkers, or
whomever, throw at claims, or people or cases or photographs
or videos, so again, I'm broad strokes here. But whatever,
people that are skeptical throw at cases like that, or claims,
if on the other end, it is true. And there's truth to it, then
nothing what they do, or say, or ask or whatever, we'll break
that, nothing. Nothing. And in the process, if you're
solidifying that truth, to me, that's a good thing. And and I
and I, I, I support that Meaning, if I make a claim, and
I do a video and you guys go, Wow, that really happened.
challenge it challenge me that that's what I'm here for.
Because I want to be challenged. I want people to question what I
put out there. Because when you research it and go, Wow, is
Greenwald really being truthful here. And you know, you guys do
whatever research you need to do. And then you confirm it, and
you realize the document was obtained from the CIA, or this
document was declassified from the NSA or whatever it is, it
reinforces it. So nothing, you as a skeptic that threw at me
could negate that particular claim. That's how I operate on
my end, when I see those claims. And when I see people make
claims or put information forward, I challenge it, because
at the end of the day, nothing that I do, or anyone else for
that matter, can ever derail the truth. So I apologize to you. I
know you've been on the phone for a little bit here. Who's
this? This is correct. Hey, Clay, thanks for calling in. And
I do apologize again. Obviously, lots of questions. Lots of
people here. We're close to 500 people now watching. So I do
apologize, but what can I do for you?
Unknown: Yeah, okay, so I'm going to try to make make this
quick, john, just just whenever you've got a lot of people that
want to get in and get questions. And so with that
being said, I really wish that that you could do this at least
once a week. I know you're a busy man. But I mean, just the
fact of being able to know to get on with you be able to run
our questions by hearing your answer and everything. I mean,
that is like really a big deal. Not many people are actually
doing that. But real quick to my question is that why do you
think there isn't a lot of I guess, I guess analysis of the I
believe it's called the Oh, Willa airport, UFO sighting? I
mean, it's like great video. I mean, just the things that that
the object is doing from from, from what I can see. Looks
pretty amazing. And just one other question. I don't know if
anyone has ever asked you this. And if you get a chance to ask
them or if you've heard it, but But the thing is, is that has
anyone ever asked him? What is the one case that made him a
believer in the phenomenon just pretty much just said, Okay,
this is real. So if you've heard what that case was, you know, if
you can just, you know, if you can just let us know, you know,
but you know, you get a chance to ask him, you know, if you
think that that's a good question, you know if you can
run it by him. Thanks, john.
John Greenewald: Sure. And let me ask you really quick, before
you if you do hang up, what was the airport that you were
talking about? I think it's called a gorilla airport. It's
and you're talking about agua de agua de Puerto Rico.
Unknown: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
yeah. Yeah, that's like some of the most amazing videos that
I've seen. Yeah. And I just don't see a lot on it. So I
don't know if it's just maybe YouTube's algorithm or what's
going on. But for it to be so amazing. I just don't see a lot
of talk about it.
John Greenewald: Sure. So two great questions. So I'm gonna
deal with the latter one first, simply because it's easier to
answer. I don't know if there's one case, although I won't be
surprised if it's out there. I have not watched every interview
that Luis Elizondo has done. He's done a ton. And so kudos to
him for being able to do that. So there may be an answer to
that. I just don't know what it is. I know he's obviously spoken
about the 2004 Nimitz encounter quite a bit. But if there was a
different case, I'm not really sure. So I don't have an answer
for you on that one. With the agua dia one, I would definitely
point you to a big report that the scientific Coalition for UAP
studies sccu. I had Robert Powell on who was one of the co
founders of that organization, and they released a big report
on the agua dia citing and the video and analysis and they they
do a great job like really digging in. So I would
relinquish that question to them just for being you know, the
pros that they have really dug in deep on that. Feel free to
drop me an email. Again, it's very straightforward, john at
the black vault calm and I am happy to send you a direct link
to that. I'll also add it to the show notes after after the video
ends. But that being said, even if you just Google at sccu agua
dia Report, I'm sure you'll come up with it. And and they go into
great detail on that.
Unknown: In just just real quick one of the things that I've
noticed why why does it appear that South America countries are
more open about their UFO sightings? And they, for
instance, like Chile and Brazil, Argentina, even a theme from
Colombia signing, it just seemed like they're more open? Do you
know why I visit? Yes, me.
John Greenewald: I agree with you that it seems like it's a
little bit more open down there. And and even the society is more
welcoming two topics like that. What What is that? stemming
from? I'm not really sure. But but I do think that there's that
there's definitely something to that, that I wish I had the
answer to. In regards to governments. Yeah, it looks like
that they as well have come out with information. I know the
Mexican government has released FLIR video footage and stuff
like that. And of course, the skeptics and debunkers all
attack it. But regardless of I've always gotten the
impression that America was very, very much more tight
lipped than many other countries, especially the South
American countries. Thanks, john. You're very welcome. And
thanks for your phone call a couple more text messages here.
Let me go ahead and get this one. Why don't we just shoot one
down? And we will know what they are? For? Sure. Well, a couple
thoughts on that really quickly. Who's to say we can catch it to
shoot one down? Because it seems like they pretty much outperform
everything and everything we got and everyone up there. So that
that that would definitely be one comment on that. The other
thing is who says we haven't? You know, I mean, that's a big
possibility. If we were ever to do that, if we haven't already,
I would consider that something that would be highly classified,
and likely, not anything that we would be hearing about. Mr. Bao,
we are Bowie, Bowie, Bowie, thank you so much for that
support has in the Super Chat, has everything in the last two
years been a psyop to either cover New Tech, they are
developing or distractions from the horrors we have seen lately.
I touched on that a little bit. When it comes to classified tech
is all of this a cover story. I mean, of course, that's a huge
possibility, in my opinion, the the effort to do that, and the
outcome would be worse off than if they just didn't address any
of this at all. Meaning leave you a piece out of it, and
continue to operate in secrecy with whatever classified tech or
whatever new technology that they're developing. I say that
because of history. When you look at history, and you look at
how long area 51 has survived and it was in operation without
being known by the general public or even acknowledged. You
look at the classified technology that we've developed
over the years, many times. Things were secret for decades
upon decades before it was ever officially acknowledged. We hear
about things all the time like these stealth helicopters that
were used in the Osama bin Laden operation, all of which were
unacknowledged prior. They are very serious. cessful at keeping
secrets when they want to. And so for me thinking that this was
all a psyop I just don't buy it for that reason, just simply
because history shows that if they wanted to keep it all a
secret, and this was covert tech or, or something in development,
that they absolutely could without the stain of a UAP cover
up because you look at the amount of publicity that this
topic is getting. And the amount of accusations that are being
thrown towards the general US government as a whole or the US
military. To me it's just not worth it for them to create some
kind of a cover story here. I would just leave it alone.
here's here's one about the T shirt love the T shirt. I bought
it a great conversation starter any new merchandise in the
future? new merchandise love the T shirt. Thank you for that.
Yes, I have a couple of T shirts. They are on the black
vault store. Yes, that really is a text message. So I'm not
trying to plug my merch here. But I do have a couple black
vault t shirts to show your support. So if you go to the
black vault comm there's a shop link at the top, you can buy my
books as well, which you see behind me there inside the black
vault. Obviously a lot of you guys are loving the UFO topic,
as that seems to be a common theme on these live streams. So
you might be interested in that book as well. So thank you for
that gave me an opportunity to give a shameless plug thoughts
on Verner von Braun Kennedy death because releasing UFO
files to Russia. Why did Reagan ask for Russia's help in the
early 80s? Wow, lots of stuff their thoughts on Verner von
Braun? I mean, I don't know what you exactly mean by that,
obviously, lots of history there with von Braun and the role he
played with our space program and stuff like that, but I'm not
entirely sure what you're referring to, I will focus on
Kennedy death because of releasing UFO files to Russia.
You know, there's a lot of rumors about the Kennedy thing,
sadly, that just really nothing substantiated. In my mind, I
believe. And this is kind of going back in my memory here. So
I could be wrong, that there was a document that came out, but it
was never confirmed as authentic. I know that he wanted
to research UFOs. But I think that there was a claim in the in
a book and I'll have to look this up again, but many years
ago that he was going to release everything. I've been to the JFK
library sifted through his documents, it's one of the most
amazing things to do if you've never done it, and you like
documents like I do, definitely take take it, take a day to do
it. Go to a presidential library, pick a topic that
you're interested in from that President and get documents I
remember I was going through UFO documents. And there's a pretty
big box of them. I have them all on the black vault comm they're
they're literally under the president john F. Kennedy
library, UFO documents. So if you use the search, and going
through that, and I stumbled on a letter that was actually
signed by JFK himself, like the original, most of those are
polled and photocopies are put in. These were overlooked. And I
remember just sitting there for a moment and, and looking at it
and holding it going, Wow, JFK actually signed this, you know,
and I sat there for a moment. And then I got up and I told the
archivist and they ended up pulling it. But amazing
experience. However, going through all of those UFO
documents, you realize that those types of claims are really
not substantiated in what was going on behind the scenes. JFK
and mostly his brother, Robert Kennedy was fielding all of the
questions from the general public. But again, although JFK
expressed an interest in maybe getting some some UFO answers,
there was really nothing to substantiate that he was just
going to blow the lid wide open and release all the UFO files.
And I think that that was more generally to the public versus
Russia, like your question said. But regardless, that I don't
think that that theory has ever really been substantiated. So
let me hit one more super chat question that I'm going to the
phones What is your take on the declarations from the head of
Israeli space program or the Canadian former Prime Minister?
That is up Philip or Felipe? And again, I apologize. I'm not sure
the correct pronunciation. But that's a second support that
you've given the channel today. So thank you so much. What is my
take? You know, it's that's what's hard with claims like
that the Israeli space program, john kind of a blank on his on
his name. But also I think you're talking about Paul
hellyer from Canada. And, you know, I've met Paul hellyer. I
haven't met the other gentlemen. And they're they're very
interesting claims they truly are. But But again, it's it's
not what you believe it's what you can prove. And sadly, when
individuals like that come forward, I haven't really seen
like this amazing mound of evidence that's been put forth
with them. They're more claims. Now that doesn't mean that I
dismiss them and that doesn't mean that I think they're lying,
nor does it mean But I think we should ignore it. But rather,
I'm just a I'm a researcher, you know, and I need to be able to
take a claim like that, and try and authenticate it. And with
with what we've seen with those particular stories, I'm what
you're asking about. Very hard to do that because they don't
come along with a lot of evidence that you go, Oh, my
gosh, look at that, you know, I'll be at it's still very
interesting. And it still goes on the list of really great
supporting testimony. But when it comes to hardcore evidence
for me, it's it's lacking a little bit. So I hope that
answered your question. Let me hit the phones. I know you've
been on the phone for a while. I apologize for the whole Who's
this?
Hello. Did I lose you? Maybe you didn't want to hang on? I don't
blame you. Are you there? Yeah. Okay. My name is Mo. And my last
name is Lester. So I wanted to ask you about this Wendy's
program. So have you heard anything about this program?
Which program? Are you referring to? The Wendy's. That's not
striking a bell and the imposter sauce? Like a morgase? mugas
sassy buck. bucha. Vegas. Alright, Korean call, should I
blast that number out? He waited that long just to crank me? How
How, how upsetting that somebody would wait on hold just to I'm
not even sure what he said to be honest with you. Alright, so
we'll, we'll get through that caller. Just so you know, I have
no problems taking phone numbers and blasting them out there if
you decide to do that again. So we'll leave that as as it is.
Let me go ahead and get a couple of text messages here. Sorry,
I'm going to tell you in advance. There's no way for me
to get to these. Overwhelming on the support here today. And I
truly appreciate it. Another caller thankfully, not the same
one. All right, but let me get some text messages here. I'm
starting to think that these vehicles are ours. The only
reason that these people are coming forward is because the
government has told them to. I mean, it's it's definitely part
of that cya.
Theory that's out there. Again, not substantiated yet, but
something that that is prevalent. Now, are they on some
kind of secret operation and under orders? I mean, that
sounds conspiratorial, I can't rule it out. I mean, I'll be
honest with you, how do we know that the people that have come
forward, don't have another agenda, you know that they're
not under orders? No, that's not again, something that I'll bet
my house on before people start lambasted me on Twitter. But
again, as the way that I approach in a anything is, as a
investigator, you deal with all possibilities until you can't,
and you deal with all potential explanations until you can't.
And you challenge each and every single one by drilling down on
each and every single one. And until you can rule it out, you
have to take it as a possibility, albeit a very small
one. Now, people don't like that aspect of me, right? They'll
just blindly dismiss X, Y, and Z, because they don't want to
believe that X, Y, Z and can be true. But if you're truly trying
to investigate something, you need to deal with XYZ until you
can't anymore, you find evidence to either support it or dismiss
it. I think the scientific method is the same way. Right? I
mean, they just don't not deal with certain theories, just
because it's a theory and they don't want it to be true. You
have to challenge it and test it. And that's what I that's
what I absolutely do with stuff like this. So is there this
secret agenda behind the scenes that this is all playing into a
much bigger story? It's it is absolutely quite possible.
Because all you have to do is not think that I'm being a
conspiracy theorist and take my word for it. rather look at
history. And history shows and proves that the general public
has been misled, right? There's no there's no way around it. You
look at the CIA mind control experiments. You look at all of
that stuff that they've done in the past the Tuskegee
experiments. You look at that, and the general public has been
lied to for the greater good, whatever that greater good is,
but they've been lied to and misled. There have been things
going on behind the scenes to essentially puppeteer a
narrative to the general public to ensure that you guys me
included, don't know the truth. So who's to say they're not
doing that now? And until till we can prove otherwise? We have
to always keep that in the back of our head. Now I like Luis
Elizondo, I'm not saying that he's part of this. I don't know
Christopher Mellon, but I like what I've seen about him. These
are all individuals that I would sit down and have a beer with
and dinner. And, and, and enjoy my evening, right? So I'm not
placing that accusation. But I'm speaking in generality that no
matter who comes forward, no matter what is being said, we
have to challenge it and question it. Because if history
has taught us anything, it's that history often repeats
itself. So it may not be that people like and again, I'm not
trying to throw them under the bus. But Christopher Mellon,
Luis Elizondo and these people that have come forward, it's not
that they're spearheading it. But maybe they're a victim of it
too. because keep in mind, history also shows that hat that
has happened with people that have come out and have set a
narrative that isn't true. I'm sure you guys can think of a
couple spokespeople, that that's happened to over the years, that
they as a government official are tasked to say something,
because that's what they're told, and it is the truth. Well,
at least that's what they were told whether or not it was the
truth or not becomes irrelevant. They were told it was the truth
that all that matter. That's all that matters. So again, history
shows us that we as the general public, by sometimes way of a
spokesperson, by sometimes we have a press release, or
sometimes we have a maybe even a Freedom of Information Act
release, but it could be strategic, and it can have a
much deeper underlying motive on why that information is there.
Again, people don't like that aspect of me. But it's something
that as a researcher, investigator, whatever you label
yourself, I label myself as a researcher investigator. That's
what you have to do. You challenge it and you just keep
pushing.
Just join the stream. This is about 30 minutes ago, so I
apologize. Just join the stream Have you seen UFO loose channel
on YouTube? The telescope night vision video footage he captures
is pretty incredible. Triangle objects, 90 degree turn objects,
dissipating cloaked objects, keep up the incredible work. I
appreciate the kind words UFO Lu doesn't ring a bell to be honest
with you. But I have seen quite a few different night vision
triangular objects. Those are very cool. I always dig stuff
like that. A lot of times it lacks context, or you find it on
YouTube from somebody that I you know, there's really no way to
verify it. That does again, not meaning that it's fake. It's
just a little bit more challenging to to research. But
regardless, I'm not sure if that specific channel but yeah, I
totally dig those types of videos. If you have any that you
want to show me directly, please, by all means, send them
in. I apologize to this color on for a little bit. Who's this?
Unknown: Hi, john kerry from out here at the Trent place in
Oregon. Hey, Terry from Oregon, how are you? I'm doing well. I'm
kind of having a little bit of trouble putting some puzzle
pieces together here okay. with Mr. Elizondo would make sense
that he would have had to then read into some certain
classified things to do the research he was doing. Well,
when when Senator Reid tried to get a tip the authorization to
look into their quote unquote, we will program he was denied. I
can't I can't understand what the way that we talk especially
about some of the temporal things that he talks about, and
metamaterials and so forth, where the breakdown in
communication would have been in a tip associate they were giving
briefings. And why have you ever asked through how many
classified things he had to be read into in order to do the
research he was doing for a kid?
John Greenewald: No, I haven't asked him that specific
question. But I do know when it comes to classified aspects of
what he was doing, he will often fall back on the fact that he
can't talk about it because it would be classified in regards
to the Harry Reid letter that I just did a big article about the
Harry Reid letter about a month ago if you haven't seen it, I
would recommend to look into it. It's very interesting.
Unknown: I've seen it I follow pretty much everything he does
John Greenewald: a gotcha Yeah. So I why he was denied I'm not
sure what I found intriguing behind that story. Since you
have seen it this won't be new to you. But for the audience.
This was the letter that Harry Reid wrote requesting a tip get
SAP status or special access program status which would open
up you know a whole new world to them when it came to classified
information and the access to it. The it was reported that he
was denied I fought for a couple years to try and get the
response letter to read and there was none. So they claim
that there's no records so that's always intriguing to me
the
Unknown: terror that you are a deploy office
John Greenewald: I'm sorry say again.
Unknown: I think you being the terror that you are a deploy
office those people fear you So yeah, I don't really have an
awakening when you're asking for things like that. Yeah,
John Greenewald: I I know that they don't like me too much. I'm
sure but regardless, you know that I was able to Yeah, thanks.
I I did though dig up other letters from Harry Reid sent
that that same day, including the response letters. So it was
intriguing to me that the response letter for this wasn't
there. But regardless I here's the thing. Luis Elizondo denies
this and I did ask him this, but I will throw it out there. What
if a tip actually did get SAP status or something like a tip
got SAP status, and that would make a lot of this make sense.
But But he in fairness, I asked Luis Elizondo that and he did
deny it said that it didn't. But it wouldn't surprise me if
something like this branched off into a sap program, I just don't
believe that they would give access to someone like Robert
Bigelow, and Bigelow Aerospace. And that that is a show in
itself on why I say that. But regardless, I just don't think
that it would have been given to the private sector. I think
stuff like that is either kept in house or if it does go to the
private sector, it goes to a very small list of people that
that would be able to get a contract like that and have the
clearance to such sensitive information. So
Unknown: yeah, well, Mr. Bigelow has the same problem that
Senator Reid does now that he tend to drop things that he's
not supposed to. So that's understandable. Yeah. Yeah. Hey,
john, thank you for all the hard work that you do. And hopefully,
we'll be able to make a little more sense of this coming into
the month,
John Greenewald: I'll do my best that a lot of it doesn't make
sense to me, but I'll keep asking the questions and try and
put the puzzle pieces together for you. But thanks so much for
your call. I really appreciate it.
Unknown: Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
John Greenewald: Thank you. So you, too. All right. So thank
you for that. I know some of these calls are a little bit
challenging to hear. But I will do my best to try and translate
if it doesn't convey audio wise. Good. Here's a super chat
question from jack 392. JACK, your question, john, what are
your thoughts on people like Dr. Greer and Uri Geller? Thank you.
Wow, two wildly different people in my book, just with their
approach to everything. Let me start with Uri Geller. I mean, I
don't know a whole lot about him on a personal front, I've never
met him. I know his connection, obviously, to the remote viewing
program and what they were doing during the Stargate program
through the CIA and and that time when it was through Sri, or
where Dr. Hal put off was was involved in that. So that's
really kind of my connection, whether or not he's a charlatan,
you know, magician, someone who has or has not the ability, I
would love to see him do it right in front of my eyes. And
then I'm the type of person that needs to see to believe. So that
that's kind of how I view stuff like that. I mean, it's it's
very cool to hear about, but until I personally see it, who
really knows, Dr. Steven Greer, have that's a tough one for me.
I mean, I don't want to speak ill about the man there's
there's a lot that he's done good over the years and a lot,
not so much. And where I'll say the good stuff, the Disclosure
Project and bringing forward some of those witnesses, I think
was great. I think he definitely solidified a part of his work
into you for logical history that will survive for many years
to come. I think that that was a very valuable project. I was a
very let down at some of the vetting of some of the
witnesses. I remember doing an article I was asked to write for
UFO magazine many many years ago. And I started digging in
and uncovering that there were some people that were mentioned
that didn't want to be mentioned, that they were
essentially not portrayed correctly in the book and that
project. But again, other words were and and the press
conference was a prime example. Some of the other stuff, you
know, I'm not here to talk bad about the man, I just don't
agree with the approach, meaning if he can summon UFOs, and wants
to take people out to teach them how to do it. I think something
like that would change mankind, and to just slap a big price tag
on it to go out camping is something that I don't have a
whole lot of respect for. Just to be blatantly honest. But I'm
not here to trash the man. Again, that's just an approach
that doesn't work for me. But if if truly somebody could summon
or channel or communicate or whatever it is that that he
truly ultimately claims UFOs and some alien presence. Give that
to the world. truly don't charge for it. Because what will happen
to you in the long run will probably give you riches, the
amount of interviews and book deals and stuff like that, that
will come along with it will be phenomenal. But if you just want
to charge people an exceptional amount of money to go camping
and tell people not to talk about it, and I hear that people
are forced to sign NDA is it's not my deal. Let me see another
super chat question. And of course I lost it. Oh, hold on.
Apologies. While chat is super busy. Good job, guys really
appreciate it. About 430 of you watching right now. And if these
numbers on YouTube are correct, it looks like more than 2789
have come through the doors to watch at least some of this live
stream. So that's awesome. Thank you guys. Here's from Cole Borg.
Cole, thank you so much for your support of the channel. I
apologize if it was already addressed, but would you be able
to speak to the significance of the incident known as starfish
prime? Elizondo was asked he said he MPs may have some
significance. So I think you're talking about the the nuclear
test. I don't know what interview Elizondo was asked
that I am happy to address it for you. I apologize. I won't be
able to do it now. Just simply because I'm not sure which
interview you're referring to. JOHN at the black vault calm is
my email address. shoot me an email, let me know what
interview. I'll do it in a future stream and give thoughts
on it. But I'm not. I'm so sorry. Because you're obviously
supporting the channel and I want to answer your question
here. But I just don't have an answer for you. So I apologize.
So let me get through that. Just caught my eye make john laugh
say Cory. Good. No, let's not. Let's not go there. Alright, so
this collars been on for a little bit. I apologize. Who's
this?
Unknown: Hey, this is Rocky. I'm out of Missouri. And I'm a truck
driver. I'm actually sitting in New Mexico currently. Are you
doing Hey, john. Hey,
John Greenewald: Rocky. Thanks for thanks for calling in. I'm
very, very good. Thank you. I hope you're safe out there on
the roads. What can I do for you?
Unknown: Well, first of all, let me say thank you for all you've
done on this topic. I truly believe that one day in the
future, you will be a notated and history as someone who did
more for this subject than just about anybody else out there.
And personally, I'd like to thank you for what you did.
John Greenewald: Well, thank you. Thank you truly for that
Rocky, I really do appreciate that.
Unknown: My comment is it seems to me that the the let's call it
the UFO community now is as laser focused in on on to this
past three years. And you really you got to look at this data in
aggregate, you know, we have radar data that goes back to as
early as at least 1952 with the DC file. You know, there's not
verifiable but good reporting of gun camera footage of these
things as early as World War Two, Korea and Vietnam. You
know, there's more data out there than just the Nimitz and
what this UAP Task Force has. And it seems like the community
is not looking at this entire situation in the aggregate. And
now you have the government and reporting agencies saying, oh,
Russia, China, if you look at the data and aggregate of what
these things are doing, going back to the twining memo, it's
not possible that in the 40s and 50s, Russia, China had jumped
that far ahead of us, and that they don't control the world
right now. Yeah. I'll see what your comments are, as far as
that goes. Sure. Yeah. And I appreciate what you do. You
John Greenewald: know, and I, and I appreciate your kind
words. Thank you. So really, you bring up a great point. And it's
one I touched on a little bit, but I'll touch on it again,
because it's important in that this phenomena is not new. And I
think a lot of people that do enter the field, and they think
that this is relatively new, and there's a handful of cases and
select few witnesses. That's not true. This truly does go back to
the world war two era, arguably much prior to that. But
obviously, with the gun camera footage, the Foo Fighters
through World War Two, we were seeing, you know, essentially
lights out there. We thought it was the Germans or potentially
the Soviets and they all thought it was us, according to the
story, legend and lore. So these things have been around for a
very long time pilots have been encountering them for a very
long time. And there are even files of engagements of these
objects. I think I got a text message. Why don't we shoot one
down? Well, there have been engagements with some of these,
the Thomas mantel case is a prime example where, you know,
he did engage a UFO tried to chase it ended up crashing and
dying. So you know that that stuff does happen, whatever this
phenomena is, it has created these risks and potential
threats, but it is nothing new. So I do appreciate that point
because I think it is often overlooked, especially this day
and age because it's all about 2004 Nimitz and 2015. Roosevelt
and Luis Elizondo a tip but it truly does stretch back into
history a long way. And what I'm also very excited about is to
see people like me Luis Elizondo starts start grabbing documents
from the 50s. And and I think that the general audience
sometimes thinks that that material is snoozy and boring
and it's old and who cares. But but on the contrary, it really
solidifies that the phenomenon is not only real, not only been
here for quite some time, but it is something that they can not
understand. And I think that that is one of the biggest, I
think, overlooked aspects to this, that that again, even Luis
Elizondo now is saying, hey, look, look at this document from
1950, or whatever it was saying, you know, is this proving that
the tick tax, whatever they are, have been around for, well, more
than half a century. So I'm encouraged by that, simply
because I've spent 25 years digging into, you know, the
1000s and 1000s of files that stretch back decades upon
decades. So yeah, I love that point. And I'm glad that you see
it. And I hope that more more people see it as well. Well, I
Unknown: hope so too. And as far as, quote, unquote, disclosure,
there was a memo that came out years ago, I think it was in the
50s or 60s, I don't remember the exact name of the memo. And I
don't remember if it was part of the magic 12 stuff or not, it
said that disclosure has to be at the sensitization of the US
public, before it happens. And if you really look at it, I know
it's going tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. But it
really, it really fits what's happened. You know, as those
numbers those polls were done of people who believe in extra test
terrestrial life out there, and who believed that the
possibility of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth has
increased over the years more and more, quote, unquote. Yeah,
and I'll end with that. Have a good day, sir.
John Greenewald: I appreciate it. Sir. You take care yourself
all great. points. Thank you so much. And hopefully, you'll call
in again, and be safe out there on the roads. Alright, so thanks
to Rocky and, again, I hope he is safe out there. So here's a
Super Chat, school craft. Thank you so much for your support by
a fire on me. Thanks, john, I definitely will do that all
those Super Chat donations and everything are very, very much
appreciated. They go right back into this channel for your
requests, even the server hosting, which can get rather
pricey on all of that. So thank you, guys for all of your
support. Let me go ahead and put that one on hold. Here's a text
a couple text messages real quick. The ga Jeremy releases
are most likely trading videos for pilots. You have previously
debunked the Batman balloon, but it continues to be shown
training videos. That's why they won't classify them. A great
point. I will I will. By the way, say it was not me who
debunked the Batman balloon. Rather, somebody had sent that
into me, I'm not sure the true route, I believe that somebody
goes that goes by the moniker of Isaac Koi was the true root of
that, so credit to him. But also, if that was somebody else,
then kudos to them, I apologize for not knowing the true root of
that. But to me, it really is spot on. And in fact, for those
that haven't seen it, I didn't even put in my video because I
wasn't aware of it. Somebody actually bought one of those
Batman balloons, tethered it to a 500 foot string, put it up
well into the air and from the ground snapped pictures. And
they were able to snap pictures of it and show that I mean
literally all nearly identical from every little protrusion of
it, even a part on the bottom where essentially a string would
be tied to I know some people hate that theory because it's
like well how can they go that high? Again, we don't know how
high it was people were theorizing what it was just bias
based on the curvature the horn the horizon and so on and so
forth. But if you read the original news thing they said
approximately 40,000 feet there was no there was no actual
evidence put forward so until that comes forward you know i
mean hey, outcomes razor does apply to at least some of this.
But that was an amazing experiment. So again, john at
the black vault calm I'll link it over to anybody who cares.
Again, text messages coming in. Dr. Greer questions. I feel like
we already touched upon that so I apologize for the person who
sent that in or maybe it was the same hey there Tim. So john ever
get anything on the Gulf Breeze? Six. any insight? Thanks. You
should do a weekly live cast. Yeah, I'm starting to think that
just simply because the reactions to these have been
great. So time permitting, I think you'll finally see me do a
little bit more of this. The the Gulf brief six. I mean, I'm not
sure if you're talking about the Gulf Breeze Florida UFO photos
or like the I was at Ed Walters or whoever was down in Gulfport
I apologize for not knowing the reference there and I'll
probably feel stupid once you tell me. But feel free to email
me they're more talking about Dr. Curse pretty popular here
with the questions. Here's a different angle. Do you believe
Dr. Greer in his contention that Elizondo and to the stars
organization is psyops up to fund more money into black
programs? To me, that's overthinking I've seen that the
Greer thing I mean, he's really kind of come out guns blazing,
so to speak with accusations. I've never bought on to the
psyop train that, you know, Elizondo into the stars and
DeLonge, potentially, and so on and so forth. We're involved in
some CIA run black op, or sign up. I know that that is
something that has been around for quite some time. I've never
been on that train. I truly don't think so. Just simply
because let's face it, if they want more money for black budget
programs, and military, I'm sorry, they can get it. They
don't need to spearhead it through a Tom DeLonge run
organization talking about UFOs and building spaceplanes.
Rather, I think that they will just get money. So again, it's
it's more of a simplistic way to look at it. But let's face it,
if they want it, they get it. So I think that that's something
that that we have to take into consideration there. I want to
make sure that I got all the Super Chat ones. Yeah. Let me
let me hit the phones. I don't want you to stay on hold too
long. Who's this? Steven? Hey, Steven, I'm sorry, you were on
hold there. I'm trying to frantically keep up with
everything coming in. So that's fine. I appreciate your
patience. What can I do for you?
Unknown: Um, so I kind of had a wild three, but real quick
questions. One on One was the Nellis Air Force Base. I'm No,
I'm not. I'm pretty sure that you're aware that alleged
footage that was leaked?
Yeah. Like, never gotten any confirmation or any or heard
anything about that.
John Greenewald: You're talking about the FLIR footage from many
moons ago? Yeah, yeah, I took to be honest with you have have not
really received anything, I'll have to look back on my foi
request. I don't recall ever requesting anything. But if I
recall, and this is kind of going back in my memory bank
here, there was really nothing that you could cite other than
the actual visual. Like, I don't remember if there was any date
to it, other than like the date of release, I'll revisit that. I
mean, I may may stand corrected there. If the date was on the
video, I just don't recall that. So yeah, stuff like that. It's
very hard to verify. Because with the foi, a, you have to be
specific enough that they know where the hell to go to. So you
can say, you know, I want this video declassified, and then
send them the video if there's really no way for them to trace
it or track it. But But I'm happy to revisit it because
again, I'm going by memory there that there wasn't a date
attached. But if there was, I'll see if I ever did a FOIA and get
back to you on it. Okay. And then the next question that I
had is,
Unknown: I did see on on Twitter, Stephen Green Street
put up some videos that allegedly got leaked by I think
it was the Department of Homeland Security along the
border. And I don't I was just seeing if you had gotten any
confirmation or heard, maybe asked or heard anything from
that. When did he post them? I think it was a couple of days
ago, and it's alleged to be leak from. I think it's like Border
Patrol or the Department of Homeland Security.
John Greenewald: Yeah, this is the one that looked like an A 10
warthog. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, I do
required to look it up myself. But yeah, I do recall them
posting this I that's new to me. I haven't I haven't seen that.
Or, you know, essentially, he even had time to really research
it at all. But his tweet was the first time that I saw that so I
wouldn't have anything to add other than, hey, it's
intriguing. I'd like to see more of it. But I have literally not
spent any time trying to verify, verify that video.
Unknown: Okay. And then just the last question. I did find an
article, I think it was by the drive, and it talks about these
drones in Iran at the same period, that same time period of
whenever the Nimitz incident happened stand as a scene a few
if you had heard about that or or heard anything from that at
all.
John Greenewald: That doesn't that doesn't ring a bell from
the drive. So if you could please email me the article. I'd
be more than happy to take a look at it.
Unknown: Yeah, yeah, I'll email it to you. I'm I'm sorry. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. All the all eat mail it to you. Great. Yeah. I
John Greenewald: appreciate that, Stephen. And just so you
know, it is john at the black vault calm. That's my email. I
welcome anybody who's watching or listening to this, feel free
to drop me an email. And I'm happy to take a look at it. But
yeah, thanks for sending that over and thanks for your call,
Stephen. Okay, thank you. Thanks. Have a good day. Thanks
you as well. Alright, so a couple more chat things, and I'm
gonna have to sadly wind it up here. pretty quick. As it been,
I guess it's already been like two hours. Hey, john, have you
had a chance to look at UAP theory calm to make a great case
for a non terrestrial origin of these vehicles? That doesn't
sound familiar to me as a website that I'm familiar with
that I may have seen it, but I'm happy to take a look at that.
Hey, john, so glad to catch this session. You're awesome. Thank
you for that. My question is, what are your feelings about the
comments made by the White House spokeswoman, NASA etc? I know
we're interested in what the Pentagon has to say. But lately,
several others are throwing their hands in the fire. I'm not
sure what to think about it. I mean, I know NASA, NORAD, and
the like have to look at these things historically. But until
recently, it seems NASA has been less than forthcoming and
dismissive of the subject. So you may want to rewind to I did
talk about the NASA the question, but to kind of
nutshell it for you, I do find that that's a very interesting
aspect to this. But the way that I look at it is that they were
forced to acknowledge this. And if they did anything, but
essentially give the aura that they're taking it seriously, it
would come back and bite them. So I think that they were forced
to talk about it and forced to give a serious approach, what
that approach will essentially conclude, Your guess is as good
as mine, but I think that they were forced to because the
seriousness by the general public and how they're taking
this nowadays, they had no other choice to but to do that. But
again, I go into a little bit more detail earlier in the show.
Black dread Scotland. Thank you so much for your Super Chat.
Your question, how come we don't see or hear? Excuse me any
flying saucer videos or pictures? Is it because they
don't exist? Or is it because the government hides the
pictures videos real? Well? Well, I mean, arguably, you do
see them. If you're talking about official government
releases, those are a little bit more hard to come by, just by
chance, I had posted a CIA file of all of the archived UFO
photographs that they had within their holdings. Now for warning,
some of them are silly, like lenticular clouds. And there's
no context to the actual photos. So yes, some of them are easily
explainable, but you'll also find flying saucer photographs
in there. The other friendly caveat is it's like they use
this archaic photo photocopy machine to actually photocopy
them. So make sure that you know you take that into
consideration, but there's like well over 100 of them, and these
are the photos that were officially held by the CIA. The
question mark is why why did they have them and sadly,
there's not a whole lot of context, but you'll be able to
see some flying saucer pictures in there. It seems to me though
the the buzzword nowadays really are like the tic tac, you know,
and, and that that that in itself is nothing new. The Tic
Tac verbiage is, but in history, they call them cigar shaped
UFOs. And I think that a lot of people are missing that a tick
tack UFO is the same darn thing as a cigar shaped UFO. Which
cases stretch back decades and decades throughout the world. So
that in itself is nothing new. The military aspect of it. Yeah,
that doesn't happen every day. So that's fascinating. But I
think my bigger point with that is there is a big historical
narrative to support that these types of objects have been
around for a long time, or at least the shape of them, and the
description thereof, in the project bluebook files and they
were shown on CNN and Fox News. And then I ended up just kind of
showing context of where they came from. describe them as a
flying lozenge, and a flying butane tank because at the time,
that's how they described them nowadays, tic tac is the phrase
of choice. So you do see them arguably, they're just not as
prevalent of course as that we would want them to be Dustin
Allen, thank you so much for that Super Chat. Do you have any
info on a program entitled Zodiac I've heard it mentioned a
few times but without contact context as to what it is or why
it exists. I saw a clip on Twitter
my reaction to it was a little bit of a surprise just simply
because I off the top of my head that did not ring a bell again.
It's one of those things because there's so many aspects and
facets to this. One of you may post it in the chat and I'll
miss it or send me an email. Hey, Zodiac is this way you've
no don't know about it. And then it'll ring a bell so I'll feel
like a dummy but A lot of it, you know, again, there's so much
the Zodiac stuff just didn't ring a bell mj 12 obviously did
the Collins elite obviously did Zodiac didn't mean that's a
serial killer, I think to me, so it didn't really didn't really
jive. So I'm not really sure what that was. But I was
intrigued. That's something I saw on the last day. Engaging
the phenomenon, I believe was the show that did that. So
credit to James who runs that that channel? Who's a very cool,
dude. So if you guys have not seen his channel, it's called
engaging the phenomenon. I know, he just started a podcast. And I
wish him all the best with that. But I believe that it was his
interview with Luis Elizondo that that came out with so kudos
to him, but I don't know exactly what the reference was. So let
me let me go ahead and go to the phones. Apologies on your whole
time. Who's this? Hey, how you doing? This is Paul, how are
you? I'm good, sir. How are you? I'm doing pretty good.
Unknown: I'm doing a little background work. And I'm hoping
you can answer a few questions. I'll do my best. When you
interviewed Lou, Mr. Elizondo, were you? Were you limited into
the scope of your questions? No.
John Greenewald: And and I'll stress that he never once said
Don't ask me X, Y or Z. He was never had any stipulations.
Unknown: And he's an interesting guy. And there's not a lot of
open source information. Correct. I mean, he, he did work
for the CIA. Correct? Do D. That's also part of my question.
The CIA and the D o. t. Does one answer to the other?
John Greenewald: No, they're independent, essentially,
organization. So the CIA is part of the intelligence community.
They're not part of the Department of Defense, the
Defense Intelligence Agency is under the umbrella of the D o t.
But again, two different agencies there.
Unknown: So if you were, if you were to request information from
the do D, you know, a FOIA request about Lou, and he was
indeed employed by the CIA, you wouldn't get any information?
John Greenewald: Well, again, this the CIA, I mean, I'm not
sure if he did work with them. There's a lot of aspects to Luis
Elizondo his background that are super intriguing to me. And
that's a way from a tip and UFOs. I don't want to start any
unfounded rumors here. I don't believe that he's ever said he's
worked for the CIA. But again, I could stand corrected. What I do
know is that and what is provable and confirmed is that
he worked for the Department of Defense and worked for them for
for quite a few years. His job title when he resigned was the
Director of the National programs, special management
staff. I'm sorry, national programs, special management
staff. Yeah. And psms. Sorry, it's a mouthful. That job title,
it I've been able to dig a very few things. But one aspect of
that job title was orchestrating SAP access or access to special
access programs. And I was able to tie Luis Elizondo his office
into the trial of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. And I ended up asking
Luis Elizondo that last week when I had interviewed him, and
for obvious reasons, he can't go into detail. But I'm here to
back them up in the sense that I found Navy court transcripts to
show what his office did. But to your point, that very little is
known about it. That is absolutely true. Very little is
known about him. And very little is known about his office. And I
think that that is by design. So it doesn't matter. And I'm not
pointing this directly at you, sir. But just in general, it
doesn't matter what you think on UFOs or his connection to a tip
or whatever. What you can prove is that he was deeply entrenched
in these classified essentially programs within the D o t. Then
the question mark comes running a UFO, what they call Pentagon
secret UFO study. That's a different question. But there's
a lot of unanswered elements to a story.
Unknown: I have read that his supervisors all gave him you
know, high high marks. He wasn't a low level guy, as far as I can
tell. I mean, he. It sounds like the UFO gig, the eight tip gig
was almost like just, you know, an assignment. Hey, we're here
we go. We need and I'm kind of curious as to what that
assignment actually is. How do you go from waterboarding, you
know, the shake, to investigating UFOs Yeah, once
again, that's only you know, I can't I have no information to
prove that he was involved in any kind of Enhanced, enhance
the information techniques. Yeah. And I have no, I have not
met nothing to prove that he you know, we sold manpad stuff. You
know, the Hootie rebels? Yeah, once again, that would it would
seem to me, gentlemen like this has, has something he does this
is he's not doing this because he suddenly decides he wants to,
you know, find out if we're being invaded by Martians. You
know, I don't I don't think he gives a damn one way or the
other. Yeah.
John Greenewald: Well, there again, this is why I say he's
very intriguing. And I've said this, this part for quite some
time. And there's a lot of elements that we don't know. And
again, tying into Guantanamo Bay and get mo and he's admitted
that now and when I first came out with that Navy transcript, I
don't believe he had ever talked about get mo at all. And then in
time, you know, with the 12,000 interviews he's done, you know,
he's he's come out with more of his background. And I'm here to
say that there's documentation to essentially support that. I
mean, I don't know what he did it did get mo or, you know where
he was? I can tell you I'm not done with that aspect of the
story. So that I will say, but there's still a lot of
unanswered questions. So you know, he's, he's an intriguing
guy. He really is. And and I'm, I'm eager to find out more. Are
you familiar with the work of the dark journalist? I am? Yeah.
I've been on his show a couple times in the past. Yep.
Unknown: You know, he mentioned that lose dad was in imprisoned
in, in Cuba, after the Bay of Pigs. And I simply wanted to
find out, try to confirm that. Yeah. And I have a lot of
discretion every time and I couldn't, I can't confirm
anything on loop.
John Greenewald: Yeah, well, here's what I will say. Just
Just to be respectful. I don't know the answer to it. And I
don't want to, you know, I don't know what the dark journalist
channel has has said about that. So what I would recommend, as
maybe you write into him, just simply because I don't know the
claim. And I don't want to make the claim here either. And
mislead anybody, because I don't know what the what the truth is
behind that. I would
Unknown: ask you just a couple more things. You know, I was
intrigued by the fact that I personally believe he was
employed by the you know, that, that the CIA, I think he was a
journeymen for the CIA? I believe he still is. Okay, I'm
wondering if he can he commit a crime? Of course of his work if
he was employed by the CIA at CIA? Can he commit a crime? So
John Greenewald: we're going to, we're treading into territory I
don't want to go to simply because I don't know of a CIA
background. And I understand you're, it sounds like you're
doing your own research.
Unknown: So there's a few postings where he, you know, he
mentioned bosses, his boss being, you know, Director of the
CIA, but I don't know how the timelines run off. Everything is
really vague. Sure, if he was if he was employed by the CIA, and
still is, can he commit a crime?
John Greenewald: Yeah, I don't want to go there. Because I
don't know the right answer. And I don't want to insinuate
anything on either, so Well, that's fair enough. Yeah. I so I
and I truly, I'm not dodging your question. I just don't know
the legality of it. But I don't want to insinuate that anybody
is committing a crime and getting away with it. So
although I do appreciate the question, I just, I'm gonna I'm
gonna not not go there. But, yeah, but that said, I.
Unknown: I do believe that there's some kind of ulterior
motive behind ttsa. And the group of people involved. I
don't think it's a you know, they're trying to get more
money. Like you said, if they need more money. Yeah, they're
just, they can print it. Yeah. Yeah, you got something up their
sleeve. I'd really like to know what because these are not low
level people.
John Greenewald: Yeah, no, I gotcha. What what, here's my
final thought, and then I'm gonna have to let you go just
simply because I got to wrap up the show now. Yeah. But my final
thought on the ttsa thing, and again, I I feel anyway, over the
last few years, some have over thought their involvement. I
truly think that at the root of it, it was a corporation. They
were trying to raise $50,000,000.05 zero 50 million.
That was their intention. And they wanted to essentially
compete with the Elon Musk's and the Richard Branson's of the
world. Get into the space race, so to speak. There's nothing
wrong with that. I'm I won't chastise that. But I think that
that that has to be taken into consideration that a motivating
factor for them was potentially financial. And it wasn't for the
greater good. It wasn't about bringing UFO information out. It
was creating a business. Now that's not conspiratorial, but
rather something that you have to consider when you have these
types of players that, yes, have a intelligence agency
background, and some were CIA and stuff like that all coming
together. I'm sure they weren't all doing it out of the good
graces of their heart. I mean, that that's not that's not
demeaning them in any way. But rather, that is the reality of
how today works. You know, that that is what I believe was the
original intent. But they fell far short of that 50 million
mark, they felt far short of the goals that they set forth.
They've now Frank got like $2 million, right? It was a little
over 2 million from what I understand. And and obviously,
the the key players, some of the key players have branched off,
and one took another job in the private sector and so on. So I
think that if you were really talking about the goodness of
your heart, being the main motivating factor, none of that
would have happened, but rather, look, everybody's got to pay the
bills, I got to have a job, you have to have a job, everybody's
got to have a job. So I think that a lot of people have
overthought that ttsa involvement, in my opinion.
Unknown: My last point, I gotta think if it was indeed
financial, you know, $50 million to Mr. Mellon is a rounding
error.
John Greenewald: Correct. But But again, the but there's a
missing element. I don't mean to step on yet. The missing
element, though, is you have to, you have to take into
consideration, what would they have done to that $50 million,
they wouldn't have kept it. Rather, that was your initial
investment money that they would then take to turn it around,
create whatever it was, they were going to create, and make
that 50 million and to 500 million, you know, and so there
was, there was a bigger intent with that. And and it was just
essentially planting the seed. Now, I'm also not saying that
Christopher Mellon would be top of my list, that would be
motivated by money. He truly does strike me as someone who's
genuinely out there pushing this issue, because he's genuinely
concerned about it. So again, I wouldn't put him on that list.
But in fairness, I think some of the other people involved in
that would be on that list that were more potentially motivated
by, okay, this is a job for me. Sure. UFOs are great. And yeah,
they're, they're important, but I gotta pay my bills, too, you
know, so I don't consider Mellon on the top of that list. But I
would absolutely consider some of the others potentially on it.
So
Unknown: hopefully, that explains your time. No problem.
I realize it's late. I'll, I'll try to get back to you. I
appreciate your your thoughts, sir.
John Greenewald: No problem. Thank you. And thanks for
listening. So let me make sure I didn't miss anything there. And
I wasn't dodging his question, but I'm sure you guys can figure
it out. You know, I just don't want to go to the placing of
accusations there and former CIA and stuff like that. He may have
very well talked about it. But you know, who knows what, what,
where that came from. And I just didn't want to go there.
Thoughts on the lease Elizondo saying he was told by someone in
government that UFOs are demonic. I've heard that quite a
few times. I've always had potential concerns about it,
just simply because what one man or woman's opinion is, doesn't
necessarily either get or stop the funding of something. So I,
you know, again, these government officials on the
inside, I'll be it could very well think that this is demonic.
I don't believe that they're making financial decisions to
either fund or not fund a program based on that. I know
that Luis Elizondo said that that played a role. And I don't
want to seem disrespectful by going against that, I would just
be very surprised to hear that that was truly an official
stance within the arms of the God. And then they got out word,
that we're not touching a tip that there's demons flying out
there. I just don't see it. the nuts and bolts aspect of this
are a potential concern. They have been convinced enough to do
a task force and to throw at least some money to it, and it's
got the senate attention. I don't believe that if there was
a demonic aspect, or if there was a belief of a demonic aspect
to this, that that would play any role internally on a smaller
scale water cooler type talk. Yeah, maybe. I just don't
believe that that truly would be the nail in the coffin for
thwarting this type of effort. I mean, no disrespect to Luis
Elizondo by again not not believing 100% of that aspect to
it. Lots of Luis Elizondo questions does Elizondo his
occasional woo talk like on his interview with engaging the
phenomena undermine his credibility for you. If We trust
him on one thing a tip. Don't we have to trust him on everything?
He says? I don't know exactly what you're talking about with
whoo talk other than I'm I believe that I do in that is the
fact that he's now is talking a little bit more about life
forms, essentially speculating a little bit more people read into
that speculation does he have insider knowledge of something?
I'm asking those questions because I don't know the answer.
I don't know if he would have insider knowledge or anything
like that. But I do fall back that if there was this
connection to a little bit more that whoo talk, that that would
be classified in nature. I mean, I truly believe that if they
were able to prove offworld vehicles, if they were alien, if
they were able to prove that aliens were living in our ocean,
whatever the whoo talk is that you're exactly referring to. I
believe that stuff like that would be a classified in nature
topic. So you wouldn't see Mr. Luis Elizondo going out talking
about it. But in fairness, he has every room to speculate just
like me, just like you just like anybody who, who has a platform
to do so. So there's nothing wrong with speculation. But in
the same respect, we shouldn't, we shouldn't read into it too
much. Now, if he comes out and says he's got insider knowledge
that something's extraterrestrial, or offworld
vehicle, or whatever, cool, we can have that conversation. But
I also don't want to miss label what he's saying, because he,
like me, has room to speculate also, based on the information
that we have seen, and obviously that applies to all of you as
well. So great question. But, oh, in regards to undermining
his credibility, you know, I don't find any problem with the,
with the speculation, you know, and and people are going to
believe certain things or speculate in certain ways that I
don't necessarily agree with or that you don't necessarily agree
with. I speculate in certain ways that people on this channel
don't agree with me on and that's okay. That's, that's,
that's all part of the game. And that's the fun of this topic. So
I would say let's give him room to speculate. I'm always
intrigued by his speculation, and that if he is going to
double down on that speculation and say that it's grounded in
some kind of wreckage that he held or photograph that he saw
or video that he uncovered or whatever, we can definitely have
that conversation but until then, I think he's just doing
what a lot of us are doing and taking our experiences and what
we've seen and then speculating a little bit another Luis
Elizondo question Luis Elizondo got upset with narrative with
the narrative he is disinformation
and I'm sorry I'm a little disjointed here Luis Elizondo
got upset with the narrative that he is a disinformation said
against the law for him to just inform Okay, so essentially this
disinformation allegations against him he got upset because
it would be illegal for him to do so. And he's and he's likely
right. But has that stopped the government as a whole from doing
that in the past thing answers a clear and resounding no. So
that's not against Luis Elizondo, but rather the
government as an entity. They absolutely have done that one
more. Picture pictures. Okay. Sorry, I'm skimming through
here. Wow, non UFO question. I have to take this operation Snow
White documents. Is there any information posted on the black
vault that discuss what Lawrence Wright described as FBI agents
discovering 120 people huddled huddled in a pitch black
basement and placed in small cubicles at the Church of
Scientology headquarters in LA. So this Wow, non UFO question. I
don't even know what to do with that. operation. Snow White
obviously, was a code name for essentially the Church of
Scientology infiltrating numerous government agencies and
essentially stealing information. Some people went to
jail after pleading guilty. I just posted a ton of documents
about that. So if you go to the black vault.com, just search for
operation Snow White, it will pop up or search for Scientology
and you'll actually come up with Snow White documents, but also a
bigger file on the Church of Scientology itself. I won't say
that I've studied all of the information that has come out on
those FBI files. So there's a lot to read off the top of my
head. No, that does not sound familiar with the Lawrence
Wright and 120 people how to huddled in a pitch black
basement. That doesn't mean it's not there. So I would definitely
download those records if you're interested. But there's a lot
there. And and admittedly, I would not be versed on every
single page. So hopefully that'll that'll point you into
the right direction. Let me bring in this caller so sorry
for the hold. Who's this? Hey, JOHN, this is Jordan from
Minnesota. Thanks for taking my call. Hey, Jordan, thanks for
calling. It's my pleasure. Sorry about the whole time What can I
do for you?
Unknown: So you are the king of foyers, you are always chasing
down the truth. And I know here in the UFO ology world, it's a
hunt between a number of different departments and people
and trying to get straight answers. So my question to you
is, let's say someone gave you a truth serum. And you were able
to use that truth serum to ask one person a list of questions.
Who would that person be?
John Greenewald: That's a great question. Wow, that's a tough
one. I, you you may have stumped me on being able to give you an
answer off the top of my head, because I'm not sure. There.
There are quite a few officials in the past that I would that I
would love to sit down and ask them a question. But who that
would be more than anyone else? I'm not. I'm not sure. To be
honest with you. That's a great a great question. And I'm gonna
write it down. And I'm gonna, I'm going to have to revisit
that in the future. Do you mind? That sounds great. Thanks for
your candor. And keep up the great work. Now. I feel bad that
I haven't. And thank you. I feel really bad that I don't have a
better answer for you. But man, great, fantastic question out of
every live question show live show. I've done one of the one
of one of the stumpers, I would say, let me grab this caller.
Who's this? Hi, john, this is Nathan from San Antonio, Texas.
How are you? Hey, Nathan, I'm good. Thank you. What can I do
for you?
Unknown: Well, I've got just a couple of thoughts. I wanted to
get your opinion on. What is your thoughts on the government
saying that these crafts are not some super secret program we
had? And the other one, the other question is,
assuming that disclosure does happen, who is the guy you want
to see on the podium making that announcement?
John Greenewald: Well, the first part of the question in regards
to the military denying that it's a, you know, top secret
program, who's to say they're not lying? Now, that's not me
trying to debunk any of this, but rather that is a potential,
because history shows us they will lie area 51 is a prime
example. Right? The F 117 is a prime example, the B two stealth
bomber is a prime example, that they will dodge or create a
narrative that is not true about programs that they have. So by
them saying no, this isn't us, we don't know, is potentially a
strategic move, you know, and potentially a way for them to
get the eyeballs off of them and put somewhere else do I think
that that's my top theory, not necessarily. But also, that is
something that I that I can't rule out, you know, that that
they would potentially lie about this being top secret or
classified technology that they don't want to admit to because
again, strategically, it's it's a it's a brilliant move, you
know, because then that makes all the world superpowers that
are watching us, and and seeing what technology that we have, if
it truly is ours. And then we put it out there that we have no
idea what this is, it creates confusion and creates a seed of
doubt in these world superpowers. So we have to keep
in mind that counter intelligence plays a role in
this, whether we like it or not. And that counter intelligence
aspect to this is something that we can't discount. And history
shows us that they will absolutely mislead, if it serves
them a benefit. So that's what we have to take into
consideration until we can rule it out. And in my personal
opinion, we can't rule that out. The second part of your
question, Who would I want at the podium? You know, I don't
really know who the best person would be. I'd like to see the
scientific community confirm this outside of a government
head, simply because it's just that it'll be a government head
and who can trust the government on anything in relation to this
issue? But then I'd play devil's advocate with myself and say
that, yeah, the leader of the free world, giving that White
House lawn, you know, announcement to the world would
be fantastic, too. So I think that there's there's things to
be said, in in both methods, I should say. But I do want to see
those of science have a scientific background, disclose
to us the reality of whatever it is they're disclosing and ensure
if, if it's that the government has some kind of interaction or
communication And then sure, but I'd like to see somebody of of
note, like a sitting president, give that address. And if it's
rather a discovery, then then I would really hope that
scientific, the scientific community would band together
and create maybe even a joint press conference to really say,
Okay, look, you know, after years of study, or after this
discovery, or whatever, this is what we have. So I don't think
that that really answered your question, but at least kind of
threw out a couple possibilities.
Unknown: What about the when it comes to the secret technology,
you know, that suddenly we have to have a spaceforce. And I'm
just wondering if we're building up to some sort of revelation
of, of new technologies that we've been keeping secret for so
long, like, just like they did with the stealth fighter, you
know, years ago? Well,
John Greenewald: I will say, in regards to the space force,
there's nothing new about that. I mean, we've had a Space
Command for many, many years, essentially, they, in my
opinion, they changed the name, and made it a little bit more
grandiose, but but the root of it, it roots into, you know, the
Space Command, which was part of the United States Air Force, and
essentially, that they've been in operation for many, many
years, decades, even. Essentially, which is, which is
the space force. So the space force, in my opinion, Space
Command 2.0. And I think that there was a little bit of
politics in this, you know, I think that Donald Trump, whether
you hate him, or like him, this isn't politically motivated
here. But rather, he wanted just to be that guy that created the
space force, you know, and I think that there was a little
bit of politics on his end, to do that, and to change the
landscape of the United States military. So at its core, I
don't believe that it changed that much. But the aura around
the dead, the landscape of the dead by creating another branch
of the United States military. So I think that there was a
little bit of politics in there as well. Is it connected to the
UAP phenomenon and talk about it, and, and so on, and so
forth? I personally don't think so I think it's probably more
coincidental than anything. And again, I think in the eyes of
the government, they will want to keep the UAP phenomena
drastically far apart from the space force, because if they
start combining that and saying that this phenomena, whatever it
is, is flying in space, and even though there may be evidence to
support that, with NASA live streams and photographs from
even going back to Apollo missions and stuff like that,
the the reality, if they were to join those two things, would be
incredibly problematic for them. And so that's why I think that
they'll probably try and keep it very far apart. And again, in my
opinion, that's not connected, just more coincidental. Gotcha.
JOHN, it's been an honor to speak with you. Appreciate it.
Thank you for great work. I appreciate that. Thank you so
much call anytime. Thanks for for watching the channel. Go
ahead and bounce that. Let me do a couple more. And then I am
going to have to end this guys. I hate to do it. But what time
did I start at 930? Wow, two and a half hours. That's awesome.
Let me see. More. Greer. Greer's have another one. I think we
touched on Greer enough, though. Hey there, Nate, longtime
listener first time question, what is the status of your voice
attempts to uncover the money trail? From the sap Hawk and srg
to the defense contractor, supposedly gatekeeping, the
crashed off world tech?
Have you looked into the defense tech and logistics organization
mentioned in the Tom Wilson Eric Davis notes? If so, what's the
status? Okay, in regards to the crashed off world technology,
those are very big claims that are really not grounded in
anything verifiable. So going after information on that really
did stem from the original New York Times article that talked
about specially designed buildings at Bigelow Aerospace.
Now I bring that up, because that truly was a very under
appreciated element to that story. Because that's a big
claim to make, that they have pieces of something from these
the from this phenomenon, and warehousing it in special
buildings. And I pushed on that point for a long time. And it
ultimately concluded with Robert Bigelow coming forward and
saying he never got anything, right. That just came out
earlier this year. I think it was that he never got anything.
So that element to the New York Times story I'll be it was maybe
rooted in some building modifications that Robert
Bigelow did. There was nothing there. And and Robert Bigelow
said that there was nothing there. Now is he lying in the
interest of national security? Sure, maybe if somebody wants to
make that claim, but to a point we have to understand that some
people are honest sometimes and that if he's actually saying
that there was nothing there. Maybe there wasn't. And I know
that there was a claim. And if you guys haven't listened to
the, to the train wreck of an interview I did with Anthony
brigalow Anthony magalia, in his claim that all SAP had captured
UAP pieces of debris and he got the reports or whatever. It was
a train wreck of an interview. But stories like that don't help
that narrative, just simply because Robert Bigelow said
nothing was there a doctor put off said that they never got
anything, nor did those reports deal with UAP offworld tech. So
that entire element to the 2017 story, essentially is a nothing
burger, right? There's nothing there. Is there offworld vehicle
technology away from that, potentially, but to go through
FOIA to get that is now a challenge. Because when you
pursue it through, let's say, the offset program and what the
New York Times has reported, but they erroneously attributed it
to a tip. Regardless, you have something that you can cite as a
source, and go to the government under the FOIA and say, Okay,
look during 2008 to 2012, you guys did this program, New York
Times reports, there's, there's wreckage, so you can pursue
that. But now that entire thing has fallen apart. So that goes
away, right? There's no evidence to support that that was
actually real. So now what do you have, and you have
essentially a fishing expedition to try and find offworld
technology vehicles that have crashed without a date without a
time without a non anonymous source. You right? I mean, you
can't just say, a secret birdie told me that you guys have
anonymous or have anomalous wreckage that is located at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base. You can't do that through FOIA.
You need to say, Sergeant so and so has gone on the record with
Politico and said XYZ. That is a sizable source. You can't do
anonymous sources. When it comes to FOIA. It just doesn't work.
You can try and sometimes you'll get lucky. Absolutely. But for
the most part, you can't say it's based on a secret birdie.
So the back to your question, it's a tough one to really
pursue, just because it really is a fishing expedition. And
there's nothing at this point, concrete going back to way
earlier in the show, when we were talking about the how put
off comments on the ni E, which was talking about crashed UFOs.
that's never been substantiated as a real document, let alone a
real story. So again, when you drill into a lot of aspects of
those types of claims, it falls apart. I'm not saying that it's
all 100% fraudulent, but rather from a research angle, it's
nearly impossible to try and do anything with. So Nate, thank
you for that question. This may be one of the last callers let
me go on to the phones. Who's this? Yes. Hi, this is Lee
Martinez from El Paso, Texas. How are you? Hey, Lee, I'm good.
Thank you. How are you?
Unknown: Doing good doing good. JOHN, thank you really quick for
everything you do. And I just had a really simple question,
man. I don't know if you're familiar with Sam Harris. Yeah.
John Greenewald: Yeah. We talked about him a little bit earlier
in the show. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. Then I can probably just
replay it on YouTube. I just got on the show late. That's okay.
Unknown: Yeah, my question was in regards to somebody
contacting him. And, you know, I've been a massive Sam Harris
fan for years. And he just wouldn't say that. So I just
think that has that carries a lot of weight. And I was like,
What? Something must be going on then.
John Greenewald: Yeah, you know, it's the short of it to kind of
nutshell version it from prior to the show his claims like that
even somebody with a huge following. I know, he's very
well known. I don't know much about him. But yes, sir. I'm
eager to see a little bit more proof of that. I would think
that if they really did ask him to play a role in a process like
that, that that in itself would come along with a nondisclosure
agreement, or something like that, that he couldn't talk
about it until after it was all said and done. So I'm not saying
that, that he's lying. I'm just eager to more see proof of what
he's saying. actually come to fruition. And that's okay,
question mark. So I'm open to it. I just kind of have my
doubts on claims like that.
Unknown: Oh, no, no, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for
giving me the the TLDR of in, like I said, Man, that it was
just interesting, because he doesn't touch anything
paranormal. So it just kind of struck me as profound. Thank you
for everything you do, man. And thank you for fighting for the
truth. And, you know, keep watching and thank you so much.
John Greenewald: Thank you. I appreciate it. And thanks for
using the phrase TLDR Not a lot of people use that. And so I see
it online all the time. But never unspoken words, so very
cool. You take care of Yeah, no, man. Thank you so much, man.
Keep fighting and I love your website. Thank you. I appreciate
it. Thank you. All right. Let's see a couple more a couple more.
What are the ramifications if any of the Pentagon could face
for destroying Luis Elizondo his emails? Personally, I don't
think they did. You're absolutely right. With the
question on, you don't think that they did. I don't think so
either. Now, there are ways that I am attempting to access the
emails in a different way around about way I hinted at it in my
article, I'll talk about it a little bit more in brief by
saying that even though they destroyed the mailbox and the
emails and the attachments and the calendars and the chat
transcripts of Luis Elizondo, and I have that in writing, the
opposite end people he was communicating with may
potentially not be destroyed. So prior to publishing that
article, I set in motion numerous Freedom of Information
Act requests, seeking out Luis Elizondo his emails and who he
would most likely communicate with. And it was a roundabout
way to get access to emails that would pertain to the questions
that I'm trying to answer, essentially a tip UFOs uaps,
what was he doing so on and so forth. So I had set that in
motion prior to ever coming public with this story. And I
know for a fact the Pentagon caught on to what I was doing. I
know they've mentioned it to me, and they're processing those
requests. So what will transpire from that, I really don't know,
other than I set in motion those cases, in hopes to still
discover his emails. But as I said, in my article, that is
definitely a story for another day. Let me hit another phone
call here before I end it. Who's this? Hi, john, how are you?
This is Andy from New York. Hey, I'm good. Thank you. Thank you
so much for calling. I'm sorry, if you were on hold for a while.
What can I do for you?
Unknown: It's quite a ride. much appreciate everything you do is
really wonderful and fantastic. Thank you. My question. Yeah, my
question has to do with the Navy's UFO patents because it
can suggest a couple of things either it's it's been us tech
all along with UFOs as a cover for that. Maybe it's reverse
engineered UFOs and, and the points in that direction and
possibly a mix of the boat. So just generally speaking your
your thoughts on the USL patent from the Navy.
John Greenewald: I think that they're really interesting. I
think the patent office, even away from those some of those
Navy patents hold some extraordinary, you know,
patents, essentially technology that people have conjured up.
When it comes to those patents, I would definitely say that
Brett Tingley investigative journalist is definitely the pro
he has dug in deep on those things, written quite a few
articles for the drive. So I would recommend that you look at
those my personal opinion is, I'm not really sure other than I
think that they're, that they're classified pieces, or I'm sorry,
that they're pieces of technology potentially leading
into classified programs, if they can get some of that stuff
to work. But in regards to back engineering and stuff like that,
I would imagine that stuff like that wouldn't be patented. So
anything connected to any type of reverse engineering, let's
say if they did capture an offworld vehicle or, or
something from an offworld vehicle, and they were trying to
essentially reverse engineer at or back engineer it, that they
wouldn't create a patent and file it, you know that i think
that that stuff like that would be so kept near the vest within
the classified world, it would never ever be found within a
patent office or patent database. Because for those that
don't know, you can go on and download these patents, you
know, and everybody has access to them. So I think that if
there was any type of shroud of secrecy whatsoever that
surrounded them, that we wouldn't find them there.
Unknown: Right now, to that point, could it be possible that
those patents were filed so to speak in order to muddy the
waters on the UFO issue?
John Greenewald: It's I don't see that again, I think that the
general public muddies the UFO issue darn well on its own, that
I don't think that the military has to do that. Because I don't
see a motive. I don't see what they would gain from doing
something like that. I think that what they would want to do
is essentially, again, not to repeat myself, but if it was
either a back engineering thing, or, or whatever, they would
shield that, if they wanted to muddy the waters, I don't think
that they would do it with patents. Again, I think the
general public is very good at doing that on its own. And I
think that I'm not insinuating that Jeremy korbel, or George
Knapp or victim to this, but essentially leak something, you
know, leak something to an outfit that will give it
publicity and mislead or muddy the waters that way. But rather
filing official patents and going through that, to me, that
would just be too much effort for that. I mean, keep in mind
that the counterintelligence world, the less footprint you
have, the better meaning the least amount of work that they
can do with the most amount of effect that they can accomplish,
I feel would be better. And so for them to just say Okay, look,
let's let's leak this out. information out there. Let's put
that out there, General, and then the wipe their hands clean
of it, and the general public does the rest. And so again,
from a CI perspective, and again, this is just an opinion.
But from a CI inspector perspective, that would be gold,
because then their footprint is very small. All they did was
throw that stuff into the wind, and let the general public do
the rest. With filing patents and doing stuff like that, then
you create paper trails, you create a lot more evidence. I'm
surprised that that Salvador and I think it's pronounced pace,
Salvador pace as something Yeah, is even real. I mean, the drive
like tracked him down and talk to him. And kudos to them, I
literally would have bet money that that dude was a ghost and
didn't exist. And yet, there he is. So, you know, kudos to them.
That's why they're investigative journalists and I just run a
YouTube channel. But regardless, you know, I'm, I feel that
there's too much of a paper trail with that, that if if they
wanted to muddy the waters, there were much easier ways to
do it.
Unknown: very fair point. Let me leave you with this. And thank
you, again, for taking my call. Sure. The most compelling video
or image of a UFO that you've seen from, from your
perspective? And thank you again,
John Greenewald: thank you, I do appreciate, do appreciate the
call. So great question. What do I figure is that what's
compelling, and that's a really, that's a really tough one for
me. I mean, there's there's obviously cases in history that
I like, and I'm intrigued by but but actually, it's less videos
and photos and more documentation. You know, because
photos and videos are so easily faked, especially nowadays. What
I truly like, is the hardcore documentation. And, of course,
it's not as fun and visually stimulating, reading a document
versus actually seeing a video. But I truly mean this, I find
more value in that than I do a photo or video simply because of
the debunk keable nature of almost anything you put forward.
Case in point the last few years, you know, and you look at
the FLIR gimbal, go fast, the sphere, the acorn, whatever,
whatever nicknames are out there. You look at how those are
so easily attacked, and potentially even debunked. It
makes visual imagery very challenging to really get behind
and go, man, you guys got to look at this one. That's why I
love documentation. Because there's more information you can
vet, there's more information you can read. And if I had to
pick one, my personal favorite, or one of the favorites is the
1976 arann. incident. I've talked about it on this channel
before. But to answer your question, definitely the 1976
arann incident because that is the case and the four pages of
an intelligence report. that kept me going 25 years after it
was sent to me. I didn't discover it. It was been been
around for many years. In fact, I think it was released before I
was even alive. But that document when I first received
it from the Defense Intelligence Agency, outline such a story
that was so amazing to me, I haven't let go since and so
either email me john at the black vault calm or just search
the black vault comm for 1976 around incident, you'll come up
with that document, I encourage you all to read it. Alright, so
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