1 00:00:01,810 --> 00:00:04,240 coming up on this edition of the black 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,879 vault radio I sit down with legendary 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,920 UFO researcher mr. Stanton T Friedman if 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,379 it had been ours I believe the word 5 00:00:14,379 --> 00:00:16,600 would have been put out to keep the damn 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,349 mouth shut and everybody would have paid 7 00:00:20,349 --> 00:00:24,669 attention believe me they people in 8 00:00:24,669 --> 00:00:27,900 power want to stain 9 00:00:28,589 --> 00:00:32,800 no ideas come to be accepted not because 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,510 your opponents come to believe in them 11 00:00:34,510 --> 00:00:36,790 but because their opponents die and a 12 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:42,160 new generation a custom all that and 13 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:45,340 much more so stay tuned the black vault 14 00:00:45,340 --> 00:00:48,900 radio is about to begin 15 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:54,790 more than 20 years ago I began a journey 16 00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:59,800 my quest for the truth my name is John 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,350 Greenwald and I have hammered the United 18 00:01:02,350 --> 00:01:03,820 States government with Freedom of 19 00:01:03,820 --> 00:01:06,280 Information Act requests trying to get 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,539 answers I have more than two million 21 00:01:10,539 --> 00:01:13,179 pages of declassified documents for you 22 00:01:13,179 --> 00:01:16,539 to download at the black vault calm now 23 00:01:16,539 --> 00:01:19,689 I attempt to dive even deeper and talk 24 00:01:19,689 --> 00:01:21,700 to some of the most brilliant minds on 25 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:24,819 this planet no government secret is 26 00:01:24,819 --> 00:01:27,609 off-limits and no question is off the 27 00:01:27,609 --> 00:01:32,710 table all I aim for is the truth this is 28 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:36,149 the black vault radio 29 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:50,030 [Music] 30 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:53,140 welcome everybody to the premiere 31 00:01:53,140 --> 00:01:55,869 episode of the black vault radio I am 32 00:01:55,869 --> 00:01:58,240 your host John Greenwald jr. and I'm 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,590 gonna be honest with you it feels 34 00:01:59,590 --> 00:02:01,990 awesome to be back on the air and 35 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:05,170 finally getting this project off of the 36 00:02:05,170 --> 00:02:08,288 ground this radio show and I'm even 37 00:02:08,288 --> 00:02:09,970 apprehensive of calling it that because 38 00:02:09,970 --> 00:02:12,549 you'll hear in a moment um kind of not 39 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:14,799 doing it the traditional way but this 40 00:02:14,799 --> 00:02:17,590 audio channel is a phrase I like a 41 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:19,269 little bit better than radio show or 42 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:23,319 podcast this audio channel is literally 43 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,860 decades in the making now for those of 44 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:29,319 you who have followed my my work and the 45 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:31,510 black vault for quite some time you'll 46 00:02:31,510 --> 00:02:33,910 know my history and radio it started 47 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:37,959 with hosting a show with my friend the 48 00:02:37,959 --> 00:02:41,620 late dr. Roger Leir dr. Leir really gave 49 00:02:41,620 --> 00:02:45,459 me my first shot back when I was about 50 00:02:45,459 --> 00:02:49,030 17 18 years old I think I was 18 and he 51 00:02:49,030 --> 00:02:51,190 called me introduced himself and asked 52 00:02:51,190 --> 00:02:53,950 me to speak for his local MUFON group 53 00:02:53,950 --> 00:02:57,340 and in Ventura Santa Barbara here in 54 00:02:57,340 --> 00:03:00,280 California and I was excited I had never 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,530 done that before I had been on an art 56 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:05,200 bell around that time but had never 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 lectured before and so I went out there 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,290 and had a great time met dr. Leir we hit 59 00:03:11,290 --> 00:03:13,989 it off and as the years went on and our 60 00:03:13,989 --> 00:03:15,609 friendship continued we ended up hosting 61 00:03:15,609 --> 00:03:18,190 a show together called Millennium 62 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:20,440 mysteries and we had a lot of fun with 63 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,069 it together 64 00:03:21,069 --> 00:03:23,560 I I missed that man that he did great 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,079 work he was obviously a pioneer when it 66 00:03:26,079 --> 00:03:28,720 came to the abduction phenomena and 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,470 potential alien implants we we just had 68 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:34,450 an all-around great time and as my 69 00:03:34,450 --> 00:03:36,790 career kind of continued in television 70 00:03:36,790 --> 00:03:39,130 and so on I did a rendition of the black 71 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:41,200 vault radio which was broadcast for 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,930 quite some time and this is going to 73 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:45,670 differ from that there's going to be a 74 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:47,430 lot of differences between this and that 75 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:50,260 format for those of you who remember now 76 00:03:50,260 --> 00:03:51,010 life got in the 77 00:03:51,010 --> 00:03:53,620 way sadly I had to put that project on 78 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:56,769 hold I didn't plan on having it go for 79 00:03:56,769 --> 00:04:00,040 years on hold but it did life kind of 80 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,959 got in the way and I had to put that on 81 00:04:01,959 --> 00:04:04,090 the back burner but I'm really excited 82 00:04:04,090 --> 00:04:07,090 to say that that hold today comes to an 83 00:04:07,090 --> 00:04:10,090 end I had aimed to do this in the 84 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:12,790 beginning of 2018 in January that was 85 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:16,389 one of my new year's resolutions sadly I 86 00:04:16,389 --> 00:04:19,418 ended up in the hospital and spent about 87 00:04:19,418 --> 00:04:21,639 a week in for complications due to 88 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:23,710 pneumonia didn't really advertise it 89 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:26,280 that much but I had some pretty severe 90 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,570 complications spent some time in the 91 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:30,789 hospital and got to know the nursing 92 00:04:30,789 --> 00:04:32,860 staff pretty well on my wife's Hospital 93 00:04:32,860 --> 00:04:35,260 that she works at and wasn't a lot of 94 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:38,050 fun but still I'm still after all these 95 00:04:38,050 --> 00:04:40,720 months healing they said we'll take over 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,300 six months but hey you know what there 97 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:45,669 is no time like now and I thought this 98 00:04:45,669 --> 00:04:47,650 is it this is the time 99 00:04:47,650 --> 00:04:50,620 I love being interviewed on different 100 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:52,960 radio shows but it's time to really come 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,020 back to making an audio channel that you 102 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:58,660 guys want and I've heard your 103 00:04:58,660 --> 00:05:00,940 frustrations I've read it on comments 104 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:04,300 social networks Twitter I see what you 105 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:06,250 guys want and that's what I want to 106 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,770 really aim to bring to you with the 107 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:11,590 black vault radio now what is that well 108 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:13,300 you heard me to say just a couple 109 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:14,919 minutes ago that I did not want to call 110 00:05:14,919 --> 00:05:18,010 this a radio show it is but I just I 111 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:20,800 kind of kind of leaned towards a very 112 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,810 traditional format whenever I hear that 113 00:05:22,810 --> 00:05:25,720 term and let's face it there are 78 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,780 million options when it comes to podcast 115 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:31,960 and radio shows and I know because I've 116 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,250 experienced this myself 117 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:35,740 you guys will hear a good show good 118 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:38,110 interview good momentum and the mint and 119 00:05:38,110 --> 00:05:40,300 it really starts to get good the music 120 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:42,610 comes on a commercial break comes about 121 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:44,349 and you got to wait five minutes for 122 00:05:44,349 --> 00:05:45,880 everybody to come back start talking 123 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,740 again the problem with that when you're 124 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:50,050 having a conversation the momentum is 125 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:53,110 gone the break is there and it really 126 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:55,449 kind of breaks the momentum now I get it 127 00:05:55,449 --> 00:05:58,060 commercials kind of a necessity in this 128 00:05:58,060 --> 00:06:01,060 day and age but really in the middle of 129 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:02,740 an interview what I want to do is kind 130 00:06:02,740 --> 00:06:04,380 of go straight through 131 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:05,490 and that's what you're gonna hear today 132 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:08,040 when I bring my friend and colleague on 133 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,030 mr. Stanton Friedman and that will be a 134 00:06:11,030 --> 00:06:12,870 characteristic of this show moving 135 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:14,460 forward where those interviews take 136 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:17,610 place break free except when they last 137 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:19,500 more than an hour that's just a courtesy 138 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:20,610 to all of us 139 00:06:20,610 --> 00:06:22,680 simply because well let's just face it 140 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,600 we need a break sometimes while we're 141 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,160 doing a long conversation and that's 142 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,220 kind of the idea I'm looking to profile 143 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:31,740 some independent artists figure out a 144 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:33,570 fun way but I'm not going to break it 145 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:36,420 and you know go to a commercial for 146 00:06:36,420 --> 00:06:38,520 deodorant or anything like that in the 147 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,430 middle of an interview the show is also 148 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:42,960 going to have a couple other segments 149 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,060 and and that's really the format of this 150 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:46,590 and I wanted to take a minute or two 151 00:06:46,590 --> 00:06:48,990 before we get really started with the 152 00:06:48,990 --> 00:06:51,810 with the show talking about the format 153 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:54,960 of how this show is laid out now 154 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,430 obviously you heard the tease already 155 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:58,050 you heard some sound bites and sound 156 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:00,390 clips from Stanton Friedman but also 157 00:07:00,390 --> 00:07:02,160 you're gonna have a couple different 158 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,960 segments before we get rolling here with 159 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Stanton and the first and foremost every 160 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,910 week or every episode I should say 161 00:07:08,910 --> 00:07:11,640 because there actually will be more than 162 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,010 one episode per week on some weeks not 163 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:14,640 all the time 164 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,680 but there will be where there's multiple 165 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,900 episodes that are dropped onto the black 166 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:22,170 Volcom that you can listen to but every 167 00:07:22,170 --> 00:07:23,520 episode is going to have a new segment 168 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,310 and the tbv news segment is literally 169 00:07:26,310 --> 00:07:28,500 just that where there are headlines I'm 170 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:30,990 not trying to be a new show or breaking 171 00:07:30,990 --> 00:07:33,120 news or anything like that but rather 172 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,060 it's to keep tabs on the headlines that 173 00:07:36,060 --> 00:07:37,860 I feel that you guys should be aware of 174 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,680 they pertain to the topics that I will 175 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,720 deal with here on the black vault radio 176 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,330 now just so you know - this is not going 177 00:07:45,330 --> 00:07:47,750 to be just geared towards a UFO or 178 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:51,180 paranormal realm that is not what this 179 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:53,970 show is I'll deal with those topics but 180 00:07:53,970 --> 00:07:56,130 rather I am NOT trying to be the next 181 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:59,580 UFO show or paranormal show rather the 182 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:02,490 black vault radio tackles pretty much 183 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:05,430 every government secret out there all of 184 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:07,890 those stories that you hear about from 185 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:10,230 historical aspects to the paranormal 186 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:13,620 aspects to top secret military aircraft 187 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:16,890 all sorts of different topics I dive 188 00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:18,120 into 189 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,760 in essence I'm taking that 2 million 190 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,550 page archive that I have and I'm trying 191 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:26,160 to bring it to life because I know deep 192 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,590 down that those documents are not the 193 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:29,669 complete story 194 00:08:29,669 --> 00:08:33,210 there's no humanity behind that there's 195 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:36,059 no voice behind those records and so my 196 00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:37,440 idea is to bring some of the most 197 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,409 brilliant minds to use those documents 198 00:08:40,409 --> 00:08:44,400 as a as a starting point and then expand 199 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,089 on them figure out what more to the 200 00:08:48,089 --> 00:08:50,850 story is there with these brilliant 201 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:52,770 minds that I don't want to bring on to 202 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:55,440 the show so we're gonna start with those 203 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,320 headlines on the tbv news segment the 204 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,720 segment with our guests will be tbv 205 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,600 dialogues and that is going to be the 206 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,310 main brunt of the show that's gonna be 207 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:07,230 the main length of it that's where 208 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:09,240 you're gonna get the most talking back 209 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,690 and forth we aim for 1 hour interviews 210 00:09:12,690 --> 00:09:15,360 but I'm giving the guests the option if 211 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,890 they don't have that much time 212 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:18,150 that's fine it'll be a little bit 213 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:20,400 shorter if they want to go longer even 214 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,920 better I will break it at the hour maybe 215 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,390 have some fun music or something like 216 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:27,180 that but the tbv dialogues we aim for at 217 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:29,940 least an hour if not two and hey if a 218 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:31,620 guest wants to hang out for even longer 219 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:34,110 I'm all for it so expect a longer show 220 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:37,920 in the future and lastly a segment 221 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,410 called tbv unredacted now what is this 222 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:43,860 every episode out of those 2 million 223 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:46,650 pages that I have I'm gonna be honest 224 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:48,630 with you and say that sometimes I forget 225 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:52,200 what the heck is in that archive and I 226 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,240 live it and breathe it and I've created 227 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,660 it so if I forget I'm thinking that 228 00:09:57,660 --> 00:10:00,390 maybe the audience may miss a heck of a 229 00:10:00,390 --> 00:10:02,930 lot in that archive reason is it's just 230 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:06,510 huge I never imagined that it would get 231 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:09,390 that big this fast I mean it granted 232 00:10:09,390 --> 00:10:12,000 it's been over two decades but to have 233 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,400 millions of pages and and the effort to 234 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,370 try and organize that for me it's been 235 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:20,339 challenging it really has so what I want 236 00:10:20,339 --> 00:10:22,230 to do with tbv unredacted is just take a 237 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:25,140 couple minutes every episode and profile 238 00:10:25,140 --> 00:10:27,480 a random document sometimes it'll be a 239 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,980 document that pertains to the guest 240 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:30,780 that way it'll tie in and you can see 241 00:10:30,780 --> 00:10:31,680 some of the 242 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,390 real information that's come out of the 243 00:10:33,390 --> 00:10:35,520 government other times it will just be 244 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,250 literally just that random something new 245 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,740 something old something I got 20 years 246 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,420 ago and I totally forgot about I'm 247 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:44,760 looking for those random gems in my 248 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,670 archive to profile every episode for you 249 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:51,180 because I think that once I post it 250 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:53,459 maybe this is my fault and I shouldn't 251 00:10:53,459 --> 00:10:55,529 do this but I just kind of don't feel 252 00:10:55,529 --> 00:10:57,180 like I should just keep posting it over 253 00:10:57,180 --> 00:10:58,800 and over meaning a document goes up on 254 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,700 Monday 255 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,760 I don't really post it again and that 256 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,589 might be a bad thing but I mean there's 257 00:11:04,589 --> 00:11:06,709 so much new stuff that I put online 258 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:09,149 unless you guys want posts every eight 259 00:11:09,149 --> 00:11:12,029 seconds it would be kind of impossible 260 00:11:12,029 --> 00:11:14,310 to keep profiling this so that's the 261 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:15,660 point of that segment is I want to 262 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:17,700 really highlight those documents the 263 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,610 important ones that have a fascinating 264 00:11:20,610 --> 00:11:23,700 story because I will say this too two 265 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:25,560 things actually number one it's not 266 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:27,420 always the content of the document that 267 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:28,620 is the interesting part 268 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:31,500 sometimes it's the lack thereof that is 269 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:33,270 the interesting part now what do I mean 270 00:11:33,270 --> 00:11:35,370 by that sometimes it's the redacted 271 00:11:35,370 --> 00:11:37,140 portions the blacked out stuff that 272 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:39,300 might frustrate you and think well why 273 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:41,850 is that important and a lot of times the 274 00:11:41,850 --> 00:11:43,800 fact that they're blacking out material 275 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,470 tells part of the story and as the 276 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:48,930 episodes are posted as I start exploring 277 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:50,610 all of these documents you will 278 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,950 absolutely see what I mean and the one 279 00:11:52,950 --> 00:11:55,380 this week this episode I think you will 280 00:11:55,380 --> 00:11:57,930 really enjoy because it's not redacted 281 00:11:57,930 --> 00:12:00,360 and it tells a fascinating fascinating 282 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,950 story and the fact that it's not 283 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:02,640 redacted 284 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,860 I believe plays a gigantic role into how 285 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:10,650 important this topic is but you're gonna 286 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:12,360 have to stay tuned to find out what 287 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,430 document that is also in the coming 288 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:16,260 episodes there's a document that will 289 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:18,570 profile not necessarily the content of 290 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:20,910 it but the fact if you can believe it 291 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:23,279 and I'm not exaggerating the fact is I 292 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,820 waited fourteen and a half years for 293 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:29,130 that document to arrive now think about 294 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:32,279 that think how long that is fourteen and 295 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:34,020 a half years after I filed the original 296 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:37,970 request for that record I finally got it 297 00:12:37,970 --> 00:12:41,070 that is an insane amount of time we 298 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:43,529 really think about how frustrating that 299 00:12:43,529 --> 00:12:45,570 is to wait 14 300 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:48,050 and a half years but that is exactly 301 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:50,790 what I had to do so all those documents 302 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:52,589 are coming up in the coming episodes of 303 00:12:52,589 --> 00:12:55,639 tbv unredacted plus a heck of a lot more 304 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:58,829 so that being said thank you all for 305 00:12:58,829 --> 00:13:01,560 tuning in we're going to get on with the 306 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,560 show very soon with Stanton Friedman but 307 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:07,500 before we do like I said it's time for 308 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:12,380 some headlines on TBB news 309 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,030 [Music] 310 00:13:22,030 --> 00:13:24,400 up next in the tbv news segment i want 311 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,140 to speak just about a couple of things 312 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:27,880 before we get going here the shows 313 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,280 probably a little bit longer just simply 314 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,170 because of the longer introduction to 315 00:13:32,170 --> 00:13:34,090 give you guys an idea about what the 316 00:13:34,090 --> 00:13:35,560 show is all about and kind of give you 317 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,810 the rundown but as we move forward I'm 318 00:13:37,810 --> 00:13:39,730 not gonna do that obviously every time 319 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:41,380 so it'll be a little bit shorter but 320 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:43,510 this time in the tbv news segment i want 321 00:13:43,510 --> 00:13:45,700 to talk about a couple of things that 322 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,710 you may have missed now one of the 323 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:49,530 topics that's going to be coming up here 324 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:51,790 not only with my friend Stan Freeman 325 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:53,620 who's gonna be joining me in the next a 326 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:56,440 few minutes but also in the coming 327 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,810 episodes the topic of to the stars 328 00:13:58,810 --> 00:14:01,660 Academy led by former rock star current 329 00:14:01,660 --> 00:14:03,550 rock star whichever way you look at it 330 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:07,050 Tom DeLonge and his efforts to bring out 331 00:14:07,050 --> 00:14:10,120 more UFO information he's done that 332 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,460 since last October with a big press 333 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,560 conference and he brought forward and I 334 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:15,940 give him a lot of credit for this 335 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:18,100 brought forward a man who headed a 336 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:21,150 project within the Pentagon 337 00:14:21,150 --> 00:14:24,130 investigating UFOs an unidentified 338 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:27,250 aerial phenomena now I have been 339 00:14:27,250 --> 00:14:31,360 skeptical about the scope of that and I 340 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,550 was very intrigued when it all went down 341 00:14:33,550 --> 00:14:35,800 last October and then in December it 342 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,590 really broke in the media this is gonna 343 00:14:38,590 --> 00:14:40,270 be something we talked about quite a bit 344 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:42,370 simply because it's going on now it's 345 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:44,800 all unfolding now and that leads me to 346 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,780 the first story here in the in the 347 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:51,460 headlines is just this week just I think 348 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:53,980 in the last 24 hours or so let me see if 349 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:56,590 I can get a date the to the stars 350 00:14:56,590 --> 00:15:01,260 Academy posted on Instagram and Twitter 351 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:06,250 and and yes it was posted on July 2nd so 352 00:15:06,250 --> 00:15:08,140 just this week to the stars Academy 353 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:11,260 posted a post posted a post I should 354 00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:12,790 find a way to better way to say that 355 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:16,570 post did our science and this is a quote 356 00:15:16,570 --> 00:15:19,840 our scientists are all smiles while 357 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,660 welcoming Lu Elizondo in his delivery to 358 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:25,780 their lab happy hashtag world UFO day 359 00:15:25,780 --> 00:15:28,450 and linked over to the Instagram photo 360 00:15:28,450 --> 00:15:31,840 now Lou Elizondo or Luis Elizondo is the 361 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,350 man who did head 362 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:35,960 that UFO project the photograph is dr. 363 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,420 Hal putt-off mr. Allison doe in the 364 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:40,850 middle and dr. Eric Davis on the right 365 00:15:40,850 --> 00:15:44,930 now what did he deliver and the reason 366 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:50,180 is is because then the Instagram caption 367 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:52,940 of this dr. Hal putt-off and dr. Eric 368 00:15:52,940 --> 00:15:55,220 Davis welcome Luis Elizondo to their 369 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:57,250 laboratory in Austin Texas 370 00:15:57,250 --> 00:16:00,320 everyone's excitement is palpable as the 371 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,120 award-winning physicists prepare to 372 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,510 inspect his delivery happy hashtag world 373 00:16:05,510 --> 00:16:08,870 UFO day now here's my criticism why 374 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:12,020 tease it right what is he delivering now 375 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:13,100 I get it 376 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,960 we want to get a little bit of intrigue 377 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,260 here and people talking and so on 378 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:22,820 but that really is the the biggest 379 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:25,280 criticism I have is that if you have 380 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,160 evidence right at least show it this is 381 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,890 a public benefit corporation and they 382 00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:33,350 are asking for your money right that's 383 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:34,880 the whole point they want you to give 384 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,670 them your money to invest and be a 385 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:40,250 stockholder and yet here they are kind 386 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:42,500 of teasing you know what a piece of what 387 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:46,090 a specimen of what what was his delivery 388 00:16:46,090 --> 00:16:48,110 that's the kind of stuff that really 389 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:50,090 frustrates me as an investigator because 390 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:51,620 if they are trying to do this for a 391 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:54,020 public benefit sadly they are not 392 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:56,390 benefiting the public by just simply 393 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:59,570 teasing all of this stuff so that being 394 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:01,810 said don't miss that photograph 395 00:17:01,810 --> 00:17:04,099 definitely subscribe to to the stars 396 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:06,230 Academy I mean I'll give them the plug I 397 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:08,839 think you should follow them on Twitter 398 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:13,220 it is TTS Academy and then on Instagram 399 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:16,130 it's to the Stars Academy so follow them 400 00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:17,960 both I mean randomly they send out this 401 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,450 stuff who knows what that sample is or 402 00:17:20,450 --> 00:17:23,030 what will come of it of anything but 403 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:25,040 definitely don't miss that because that 404 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,560 is the first time that they have tweeted 405 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 in about a month it looks like so you 406 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,540 know they're not very active sending out 407 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:34,550 information and when they do you know 408 00:17:34,550 --> 00:17:36,830 hey it's interesting so keep tabs on 409 00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:39,050 that another headline worth mentioning 410 00:17:39,050 --> 00:17:40,940 here in the last couple of weeks is 411 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:43,700 paranormal investigator Joshua P Warren 412 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,070 now recently I made an appearance in Las 413 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:46,930 Vegas 414 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:50,440 and was actually pretty honored to be 415 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,080 asked by George Noory and the producers 416 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,180 Tom Dan Heiser and and Laurie Wagner of 417 00:17:55,180 --> 00:17:58,030 the event to appear at coast-to-coast am 418 00:17:58,030 --> 00:18:01,330 live in Las Vegas I had a lot of fun 419 00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:03,630 with that we had a great time on stage 420 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:06,880 but after the show I got to meet Joshua 421 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,890 Warren and he introduced himself at the 422 00:18:08,890 --> 00:18:12,340 bar he and I chatted for quite a long 423 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:15,280 time a very interesting guy and had a 424 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,020 lot of fun just kind of hanging out and 425 00:18:17,020 --> 00:18:19,660 and relaxing a bit and he told me about 426 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:21,310 some of the experiments that he was 427 00:18:21,310 --> 00:18:23,710 doing now I didn't know that he would 428 00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:26,350 kind of make a discovery around this 429 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:28,930 timeframe but then within days of that 430 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:33,040 event I see a Las Vegas news story with 431 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,950 Joshua Warren that he was using what's 432 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:38,140 called a DT meter and that stands for a 433 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:41,470 differential time rate meter now I'm not 434 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:44,200 all I'm not very privy to exactly what 435 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,610 this device does other than measure the 436 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:50,770 amount of time it takes for a signal to 437 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:53,350 get from this meter through a hundred 438 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:56,410 foot cable with a sensor on the end to 439 00:18:56,410 --> 00:18:59,680 send the signal back now really what 440 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,010 this measures is just showing the amount 441 00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:04,810 of time that it takes for this signal to 442 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:08,620 pass through it will stay constant with 443 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:12,310 this time where we are on earth now 444 00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:14,590 according to Joshua Warren and this is a 445 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:17,050 quote that signal is always supposed to 446 00:19:17,050 --> 00:19:19,210 travel at the same rate of time at any 447 00:19:19,210 --> 00:19:22,210 particular place the only way that could 448 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:24,640 change is if a black hole approached 449 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,100 earth or something like that which is 450 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:30,460 never supposed to happen and yet then on 451 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,740 June 18th and 2018 452 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:35,350 Joshua Warren actually measured on this 453 00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:38,650 device that time slowed down for 20 454 00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:41,680 microseconds now this was in the desert 455 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,250 between the i-15 and Route 93 as just 456 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:47,230 north of Las Vegas now if you're 457 00:19:47,230 --> 00:19:49,510 familiar with the area there's also kind 458 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:51,700 of another big thing in that general 459 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,700 vicinity and that would be area 51 so 460 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:55,840 it's interesting that he made this 461 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,760 discovery out there what does it mean 462 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,980 was it a machine malfunction well 463 00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:00,790 according to him 464 00:20:00,790 --> 00:20:02,830 he hasn't registered this at all at any 465 00:20:02,830 --> 00:20:05,200 other time during any other experiment 466 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,110 now knowing Joshua Warren after talking 467 00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:10,630 to him he's an interesting guy I mean he 468 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:12,340 knows his science and so in the coming 469 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,760 episodes I'm gonna invite Joshua on 470 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,560 explain that meter a little bit more but 471 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,460 if you're interested go to Fox 5 Vegas 472 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:22,780 dot-com I'll also link it in the show 473 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:26,920 notes but Fox 5 Vegas dot-com and search 474 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,300 for Joshua Warren you'll come up with 475 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,640 that story it's interesting hey look 476 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,960 there's a lot about science we don't 477 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,060 know about I can prove that all the time 478 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:35,620 with government documents they're proven 479 00:20:35,620 --> 00:20:37,540 wrong all the time when scientists 480 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:40,240 working for the feds make a discovery 481 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,160 that they didn't know the day prior so 482 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,590 who knows maybe he stumbled on something 483 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:47,290 out there towards area 51 that really 484 00:20:47,290 --> 00:20:48,930 shows that the laws of physics are being 485 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:52,030 altered and time really is slowing down 486 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:54,250 in one particular spot so definitely 487 00:20:54,250 --> 00:20:57,310 check that out last headline I want to 488 00:20:57,310 --> 00:20:59,620 talk about is a little bit closer to 489 00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:01,690 home this one deals with the black vault 490 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:04,930 now you may not have heard about a new 491 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:07,150 project that I launched late last year 492 00:21:07,150 --> 00:21:09,820 at the beginning of this year around 493 00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:12,820 December - January of this year called 494 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:16,330 tbv investigations now I was getting a 495 00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:19,360 ton and I mean that literally a ton of 496 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,180 UFO and paranormal related cases just 497 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:23,470 because of my appearances on television 498 00:21:23,470 --> 00:21:26,410 on a worldwide scale on various 499 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,540 documentaries and shows and so on over 500 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,970 the years and I didn't know really what 501 00:21:30,970 --> 00:21:32,560 to do with them so I started archiving 502 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,600 these cases these witness testimonials 503 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,540 and I realized that there were just too 504 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:40,390 many good cases that I just didn't have 505 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:41,770 time to investigate I mean I'm not a 506 00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:43,690 field investigator I don't claim to be 507 00:21:43,690 --> 00:21:46,030 one where I go out into the field and 508 00:21:46,030 --> 00:21:48,000 take soil samples and so on and so forth 509 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,870 now obviously there's a couple 510 00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:52,770 organizations that do that they trained 511 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,760 investigators researchers to go out 512 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,860 there and do it but I wanted to make a 513 00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:01,870 different approach I'm not taking away 514 00:22:01,870 --> 00:22:03,250 from anything from those other 515 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:04,930 organizations okay they do great work 516 00:22:04,930 --> 00:22:07,060 they have great people involved I'm 517 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:10,390 friends with them I I'm in good standing 518 00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:12,160 with them I am NOT trying to compete 519 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,900 with them so that's not what this 520 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:14,650 project is 521 00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:17,260 about but rather I wanted to bring 522 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:20,860 together researchers on a global scale 523 00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:23,740 and I built a complete infrastructure 524 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:26,890 with a case management system in the 525 00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:29,230 background ways to communicate with the 526 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:31,180 witnesses ways for investigators to 527 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,550 communicate all in the background while 528 00:22:33,550 --> 00:22:35,740 in the foreground people like you 529 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:38,110 curious minds even those that have 530 00:22:38,110 --> 00:22:40,510 witnessed something can go on and see 531 00:22:40,510 --> 00:22:42,550 every case that has been put in the 532 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:44,470 system and there are thousands already 533 00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:46,780 that are into the system all put on a 534 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:48,940 global map now the reason I bring this 535 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:51,460 up is twofold for the headline number 536 00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:53,050 one is for those who just want to look 537 00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:55,450 and read that the case files do not miss 538 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:56,830 it because like I said there are 539 00:22:56,830 --> 00:23:00,310 thousands of cases now there is almost 540 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:02,110 40 investigators in about eight 541 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:04,450 different countries involved in tbv 542 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:06,820 investigations that literally take on 543 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:08,940 cases manage the case themselves 544 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,140 investigate it try and find answers 545 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,260 sometimes they can sometimes they can't 546 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:17,320 but they're doing amazing work so I want 547 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,640 to make sure that you guys know about 548 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,070 that resource because I'll be profiling 549 00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:22,450 a lot of these cases in the coming 550 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:26,710 episodes to get into that system log on 551 00:23:26,710 --> 00:24:07,420 to www.hsn.com so it's definitely worth 552 00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:08,440 a look 553 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,090 the other part of this though and I want 554 00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:12,430 to mention before we move on if you're 555 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:14,800 interested in getting involved in UFO 556 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,750 research or paranormal related research 557 00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:18,600 you know whether it be goats or 558 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920 cryptozoology since I get all of those 559 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,170 reports the infrastructure I built it'd 560 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:24,370 be silly for me to turn them down 561 00:24:24,370 --> 00:24:27,310 because investigators not not the entire 562 00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:28,400 team 563 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,900 everybody has their niche and interest 564 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,570 but some of them want to take on those 565 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:35,120 cases and that also might be you so if 566 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,190 you're interested this is open to 567 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:41,450 anybody to write me let me know that you 568 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:43,790 want to investigate it's okay if you've 569 00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:45,680 never done this before we're here to 570 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,900 help that's the whole point of this as 571 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,000 as we kind of move forward because it's 572 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,830 a fairly new project still I mean we're 573 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:54,170 I'm only about seven months in fairly 574 00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:56,570 new project but we all help each other 575 00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:59,180 and it's a very cool group of people 576 00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:01,790 something I'm very very proud of so if 577 00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:04,580 you want to apply as being an investment 578 00:25:04,580 --> 00:25:06,290 to be an investigator and you want to 579 00:25:06,290 --> 00:25:08,630 take part in this send me an email 580 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:11,120 pretty easy and straightforward contact 581 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,970 at the black vault comm that's the email 582 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:18,530 again contact cont a CT at the black 583 00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:21,080 vault comm let me know about your 584 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,520 background let me know what you want to 585 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,059 do but we're definitely looking for more 586 00:25:25,059 --> 00:25:27,440 investigators and more locations because 587 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,460 the case load the amount of cases that 588 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,190 are coming into the black vault is 589 00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:35,870 increasing dramatically now we 590 00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:37,340 definitely need your help if you're 591 00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:38,929 interested and don't worry there's no 592 00:25:38,929 --> 00:25:41,300 time commitment I don't demand that you 593 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,460 do 60 cases a day and work 90 hours a 594 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:46,130 week it's not about that it is designed 595 00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:49,610 to be at your own pace and those are the 596 00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:51,320 headlines coming up 597 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,230 mr. Stanton Friedman in this episode's 598 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:57,790 tbv dialogue segment 599 00:26:08,169 --> 00:26:10,720 this week on the tbv dialogue segment 600 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,749 I'm very excited to welcome the man the 601 00:26:13,749 --> 00:26:16,749 myth the legend but most of all my 602 00:26:16,749 --> 00:26:19,239 friend mr. Stanton T Friedman now 603 00:26:19,239 --> 00:26:21,210 Stanton gave his first lecture back in 604 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:24,789 1967 on the UFO topic he's a nuclear 605 00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:27,159 physicist by trade but we will always 606 00:26:27,159 --> 00:26:29,619 remember him as the original civilian 607 00:26:29,619 --> 00:26:32,830 investigator of the Roswell incident but 608 00:26:32,830 --> 00:26:34,869 his story after me knowing him for so 609 00:26:34,869 --> 00:26:37,149 many years his story goes much much 610 00:26:37,149 --> 00:26:38,109 deeper than that 611 00:26:38,109 --> 00:26:40,799 Stanton welcome to the black vault radio 612 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,009 delighted to be here I am very excited 613 00:26:45,009 --> 00:26:47,379 to have you on this show now I kind of 614 00:26:47,379 --> 00:26:49,720 want to tell a quick story before we get 615 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,850 going and the reason the reason is is 616 00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:54,070 because I love telling the story of how 617 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:56,440 we met and if you can believe it it is 618 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,730 over 21 years ago that you have a heart 619 00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:03,489 yeah I know it is very very hard to 620 00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:06,519 believe but over 21 years ago I was 15 621 00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:07,239 years old 622 00:27:07,239 --> 00:27:11,080 and I was fascinated by this topic and I 623 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,999 looked into everybody that was involved 624 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:15,039 in everything in every angle and so on 625 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,659 and I tried to write letters to 626 00:27:16,659 --> 00:27:18,700 everybody out there all the big names of 627 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,700 ufology and as a fifteen-year-old kid 628 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,739 you know I wasn't sure who would write 629 00:27:23,739 --> 00:27:26,980 back if anybody I will not name names of 630 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:29,830 who all I wrote but I will name you you 631 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:32,080 are the only one that wrote me back as a 632 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,869 15 year old kid and here we are more 633 00:27:34,869 --> 00:27:38,259 than 21 years later you sent me I don't 634 00:27:38,259 --> 00:27:39,759 know if you remember this you sent me a 635 00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,999 package of material for me to read on 636 00:27:42,999 --> 00:27:45,070 your own dime in your own time and you 637 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:47,679 sent that to me via snail mail I still 638 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,080 have all of it and that motivate 639 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,460 motivated me to do what I have done and 640 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:57,309 here I am more than 21 years later still 641 00:27:57,309 --> 00:27:59,559 at it and honored to have you on this 642 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,720 show and it's a true testament to who 643 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,980 you are because we all know you're an 644 00:28:02,980 --> 00:28:05,320 amazing researcher right I mean that 645 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,590 that's that's a given your your history 646 00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:10,749 in this field is extensive but I wanted 647 00:28:10,749 --> 00:28:12,279 to point that out for those who don't 648 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,139 know you personally because it really is 649 00:28:14,139 --> 00:28:16,480 a testament to who you are as a person 650 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,210 in addition to a researcher so I wanted 651 00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:22,030 to tell you on this inaugural show 652 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:24,010 of the black vault radio that you truly 653 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:27,190 were the original inspiration for me to 654 00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:29,950 do what I do so thank you for that 655 00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:32,260 you're very welcome I wish there were 656 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:34,000 more that I could say that I am that I 657 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,760 am inspired but I've been impressed with 658 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,950 your approach to things John that seems 659 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:42,100 to me you put facts first how amazing 660 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,980 yes 661 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:46,570 shockingly there's not a whole lot of 662 00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:48,940 people that do that nowadays 663 00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:50,710 and that is what struck me about you in 664 00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:52,870 the very beginning is that you truly I 665 00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:57,130 think pioneered the original research 666 00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:58,930 angle I mean a lot of what we hear today 667 00:28:58,930 --> 00:29:01,180 and not to take away from anybody but a 668 00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:03,040 lot of what we hear today is stuff that 669 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,050 just kind of been rehashed or hashed 670 00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:07,150 over people taking one thing from one 671 00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:10,000 person and another term from another and 672 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,900 then just kind of putting it together 673 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,270 and then they make a blog out of it and 674 00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:15,670 they feel like that's theirs but you 675 00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:18,460 really pioneered that original research 676 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:20,200 angle and that's always what what has 677 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,730 impressed me about you 678 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:24,730 and just because I've been in 220 679 00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:27,790 archives John yeah and and that and and 680 00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:30,130 the amazing numbers too I mean 20 681 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:32,320 archives I don't know how many documents 682 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,180 you you've gone to you want to take a 683 00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:35,590 guess at how many documents you've 684 00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:41,080 probably gone through no I read an awful 685 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,500 lot of stuff and I comes out of when I 686 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:46,600 was working in industry I found that I 687 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,420 had to get the facts in hand mm-hmm I 688 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:51,880 was in radiation shielding on advanced 689 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,120 nuclear systems and there were times and 690 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,220 we had disputes about the best way to do 691 00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:01,960 this or that and mahat facts in hand 692 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,640 before putting mouse in gear or you're 693 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,060 gonna look like an idiot I wish more 694 00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:09,730 people take that advice yeah and well I 695 00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:12,460 think it's necessary and there's enough 696 00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:15,430 conflict in the world without putting 697 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:18,400 fake news out there or thinking 698 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,560 something is true because somebody heard 699 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,960 it from and heard it from somebody else 700 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,450 that's not good enough yeah and you get 701 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,110 surprises but there's nothing like being 702 00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:30,670 eyed if somebody would pay me I would 703 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:33,550 have spent full time at archives would 704 00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:35,490 be nice well the eyes narrow library 705 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:37,440 library and non Library of Congress 706 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,390 manuscript division and all that sort of 707 00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:41,429 stuff a lot of great stuff out there but 708 00:30:41,429 --> 00:30:44,820 it takes work I mean you got a s for it 709 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:47,059 and we got to go there and read it and 710 00:30:47,059 --> 00:30:50,880 it's it's effort but it's fascinating 711 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,210 and you know there are a lot of 712 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:56,480 mysteries in the world at this time 713 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,700 ufology is only one of them but I think 714 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:01,890 it's very important that we recognize 715 00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,740 that our place in the universe it is not 716 00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:07,020 at the top of the heap mm-hmm that's 717 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:09,179 right and I think that that is the fear 718 00:31:09,179 --> 00:31:10,770 for a lot of people to make that 719 00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:12,929 realization you know I think people like 720 00:31:12,929 --> 00:31:14,309 like us and maybe a lot of people 721 00:31:14,309 --> 00:31:16,679 listening to this can handle it fine but 722 00:31:16,679 --> 00:31:18,090 I think that there are a lot of people 723 00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:20,730 out there that that want to be the top 724 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:22,290 and if they find out that they're not 725 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:24,960 that in itself is the national security 726 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,160 risk and to be honest with you I think 727 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,890 that that is the motivation for this 728 00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:31,590 cover-up now before we get into all that 729 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,210 I want to back you up into your 730 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:35,820 beginning days you touched on it very 731 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:37,470 briefly already but I want to ask you a 732 00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:39,630 little bit more before you got into the 733 00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:42,330 Roswell incident and really started with 734 00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:44,760 your ufology can you kind of give the 735 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,590 audience a little bit of a background of 736 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:48,960 you know who stands Keith Reaser was 737 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,710 prior to that it's easy when I was a kid 738 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,929 I read lots of science fiction mm-hmm 739 00:31:54,929 --> 00:31:57,570 well I went on to become a scientist I 740 00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:59,280 didn't read much science fiction I was 741 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,050 too busy working my way through college 742 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:03,390 and university and stuff believe it or 743 00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:04,980 not I was a union waiter at a good 744 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:06,630 restaurant in Chicago for three years 745 00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:08,100 while I was taking the Roasterie of 746 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,320 Chicago learned a lot about food that I 747 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,790 didn't I'll tell you that couldn't have 748 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:14,220 a war to go there myself you learn a lot 749 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:16,050 about people too doing I I was a faux 750 00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:18,570 fur and bartender myself and I miss it 751 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,070 but you learn a lot about humans by 752 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:22,860 doing that yes you certainly do learn a 753 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:25,830 lot about people and so I worked my way 754 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:28,890 through school and you know I was naive 755 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:31,530 I got a job with General Electric and my 756 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:32,910 dad had worked for the same company 757 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:36,600 American Cyanamid for 37 years and I was 758 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,400 looking at the charts gee I can retire 759 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,440 gee he's got several nuclear division I 760 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,730 was particularly interested in nuclear 761 00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:43,860 because Enrico Fermi was at the 762 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:45,600 University of Chicago and I 763 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,240 was very impressed with him died while I 764 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,230 was there nothing cuz of me and a laugh 765 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:56,309 at that but I got you the idea is that I 766 00:32:56,309 --> 00:32:58,500 started with GE with the idea I stay 767 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,929 with them until I could retire at age 57 768 00:33:00,929 --> 00:33:04,919 why not you know after three years and 769 00:33:04,919 --> 00:33:07,830 their program people many Americans 770 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:09,570 don't have any concept of how much money 771 00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:11,580 was spent on these advanced programs but 772 00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:14,610 at General Electric aircraft for nuclear 773 00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:16,530 propulsion Department Cincinnati 774 00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:19,830 basically even deal Ohio if you want to 775 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:21,780 be technical 776 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:26,610 in 1958 we spent 100 million dollars we 777 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:29,640 employed 3400 people of whom 1,100 were 778 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,799 engineers and scientists we're not 779 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,510 talking about six professors sitting 780 00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:35,190 around a table with ten grad students 781 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:37,830 mm-hmm was a major program I was very 782 00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:39,929 lucky I worked I was one of the younger 783 00:33:39,929 --> 00:33:41,789 guys I hadn't been in the military and 784 00:33:41,789 --> 00:33:43,530 there were a lot of guys I've been GI 785 00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:46,860 Bill and all that sort of thing and so I 786 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:48,990 was fascinated by the work but I could 787 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:52,590 see the handwriting on the wall that I 788 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:56,130 didn't see I told people and I left that 789 00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:58,320 I didn't think there'd be a JEA MP 790 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,000 project in a year or two because there 791 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,820 was no leadership being provided I mean 792 00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:04,830 the company had nothing invested except 793 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:06,809 the rug on the boss's floor literally 794 00:34:06,809 --> 00:34:09,389 there's an old government facility and 795 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:13,469 so forth so I it was fascinating work 796 00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:16,590 exciting I did experiments on citizen at 797 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:20,969 Oak Ridge and Idaho and radiation 798 00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:23,359 shielding that was my bag how to protect 799 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:28,109 people from radiation and you know I 800 00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:32,699 went on four separate jobs that all got 801 00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:34,560 canceled the urgent general nucleonic 802 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,020 scum packed reactors for space vehicle 803 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:40,320 applications and I worked at General 804 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,080 Motors ålesund division again compact 805 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,629 reactors that you could transport from 806 00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:48,030 place to place and the crowning glory 807 00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:52,050 was westinghouse astra no clear lab in 808 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:55,109 pittsburgh pennsylvania where I worked 809 00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:57,480 on nuclear rocket engines and I'd say 810 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,920 the high point in my industrial 811 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,079 career was when we successfully operated 812 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,569 the NR xa6 nuclear rocket engine 813 00:35:03,569 --> 00:35:06,960 propulsion system out not far from area 814 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,339 51 at the nuclear tests I hate Wow and 815 00:35:10,339 --> 00:35:13,650 you know here we get his reactor total 816 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:18,119 diameter was under eight feet power 817 00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:24,930 level was 1,100 megawatts and Hoover Dam 818 00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:27,240 produces 2,000 megawatts and I have a 819 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,069 lot bigger than eight feet and I asked 820 00:35:29,069 --> 00:35:34,319 and you know and they played we had live 821 00:35:34,319 --> 00:35:37,260 we could listen to the actual test of 822 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:41,609 that and our classified facility and it 823 00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:43,440 was exciting because we didn't have any 824 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,720 idea how long that thing would operate 825 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,280 nobody had done this before I mean the 826 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,750 exhaust temperature the liquid hydrogen 827 00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:51,540 going in it was cold when I went in it 828 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,910 was 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit when it 829 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:56,520 came out Wow we had no idea how well 830 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,790 this thing would stay together mm-hmm 831 00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:02,010 you know would be shaken to pieces would 832 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:04,020 dump the filament through the nozzles 833 00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:06,930 who knows so that was the high point 834 00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:11,430 there but I got started on UFOs really 835 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:13,980 in a sense because I'm a cheapskate I 836 00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:16,650 was ordering books from marburo books a 837 00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:19,890 long time ago mailer place I need one 838 00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:21,390 more books I wouldn't have to pay 839 00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:24,299 shipping mm-hmm and there was a book to 840 00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:27,059 report on unidentified flying objects by 841 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:30,000 Captain Edward J route of Project Blue 842 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,700 Book in the early 50s and it was marked 843 00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:37,319 down from 299 to a book so because it 844 00:36:37,319 --> 00:36:39,329 would my shipping would be covered for 845 00:36:39,329 --> 00:36:41,520 the rest of the order it was costing me 846 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,490 nothing so what the heck 847 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:46,079 our program was co-sponsored by the Air 848 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,119 Force in the Atomic Energy Commission in 849 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,430 a big rocket program so you know it's 850 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:53,640 exciting and it was cheap and the book 851 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,910 intrigued me it didn't convince me but 852 00:36:55,910 --> 00:37:02,490 it intrigued me and I was surprised what 853 00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:05,369 what made me angry a little bit later 854 00:37:05,369 --> 00:37:07,410 that was in 1958 when I read that book 855 00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:09,660 it was at the University of California 856 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:12,690 Berkeley library in the early 60s 857 00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:15,539 and I found a copy of Project Blue Book 858 00:37:15,539 --> 00:37:19,230 special report number 14 now that did 859 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:20,849 surprise me because it hadn't been 860 00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:22,349 mentioned by that time I'd read ten 861 00:37:22,349 --> 00:37:24,299 books some of which were garbage and 862 00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:26,190 none of them had mentioned Blue Book 863 00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:28,140 expression report fourteen biggest study 864 00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:29,609 ever done for the Air Force 865 00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:31,260 how come wasn't mentioned those other 866 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:35,130 books and dr. Leon Davidson who had 867 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:38,670 gotten it published had included the Air 868 00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:41,900 Force press release from the early 50s 869 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:46,859 which included the crazy statement on 870 00:37:46,859 --> 00:37:48,930 the basis of this study we believe that 871 00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:50,789 no objects such as those properly 872 00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:52,410 described as flying saucers have 873 00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:55,049 overflown the United States even the 874 00:37:55,049 --> 00:37:58,650 unknown three percent excuse me could 875 00:37:58,650 --> 00:38:00,089 have been identified as conventional 876 00:38:00,089 --> 00:38:02,460 phenomena or illusions of more complete 877 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,049 observational data had been available 878 00:38:04,049 --> 00:38:06,450 mm-hmm it seems straightforward the only 879 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,369 trouble was I had to report the unknowns 880 00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:11,849 weren't 3% or 6% or 12% year 21 and a 881 00:38:11,849 --> 00:38:14,549 half first and mmm-hmm that's not three 882 00:38:14,549 --> 00:38:19,020 rounded off or icons and also they had 883 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,789 quality evaluations of 3201 sightings 884 00:38:22,789 --> 00:38:25,650 charts tables graphs maps loaded with 885 00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:29,250 data and evidence and a quality 886 00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:30,660 evaluation showed the better the quality 887 00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:33,020 of the sighting the more likely to be 888 00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:35,819 unexplainable that's what you'd expect 889 00:38:35,819 --> 00:38:37,740 if the sightings were real mm-hmm 890 00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:41,520 and so that report made me angry I don't 891 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,650 like being lied to 892 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:44,970 especially by the air force sector the 893 00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:46,319 air force is quoted as making that 894 00:38:46,319 --> 00:38:50,670 statement and so that I wanted to I got 895 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:51,900 to turn I'm going to find out what's 896 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,180 really going on here there has to be 897 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:57,510 something going on if the government 898 00:38:57,510 --> 00:39:01,470 lies so blatantly you know I'm a mess 899 00:39:01,470 --> 00:39:03,270 accustomed to dealing with security and 900 00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:06,329 tiptoeing around the truth sometimes but 901 00:39:06,329 --> 00:39:09,480 this was a blatant lie and so I joined a 902 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,720 pro and I cap the two big UFO groups to 903 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,450 get their newsletters and stuff to learn 904 00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:19,799 more and my you know somebody at work 905 00:39:19,799 --> 00:39:22,559 asked me to speak to their book review 906 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,070 club oh I got to know Frank Edwards yes 907 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:27,960 flying saucers serious business he was 908 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,630 living in Indianapolis and I got a copy 909 00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:37,350 of his book and then when I was working 910 00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:39,480 in Pittsburgh and Westinghouse I called 911 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,240 Frank I said Frank you know everybody it 912 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:47,370 was a newsman and he did know and give 913 00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:49,110 me some names here in Pittsburgh you 914 00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:52,290 know I want to go public so he gave me 915 00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:55,020 some names and one of them was the 916 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:58,350 producer of a radio show called contact 917 00:39:58,350 --> 00:40:05,510 would you believe and I was on and I 918 00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:08,940 wasn't as good then as dealing with the 919 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:11,070 nasty noisy negative is but apparently I 920 00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:13,950 did okay and somebody at work and that 921 00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:15,900 Westinghouse heard the program she had a 922 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,660 book review Club and they were reading 923 00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:20,700 Frank's book and asked if I would give a 924 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,770 talk to her calm so that my first 925 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:25,250 lecture was in her living room oh wow 926 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:28,830 you know not a big production yeah but I 927 00:40:28,830 --> 00:40:31,440 did the show Graham several times more 928 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,690 was on KDKA which is the biggest station 929 00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:41,490 in Pittsburgh and I got a got asked one 930 00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:43,520 day these things happened by accident 931 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,230 one of two days in the three year period 932 00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:48,330 where I got a ride in to work with Joel 933 00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:52,950 an PhD from Carnegie Tech at Carnegie 934 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,120 Mellon University and was telling her 935 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,280 how much I'd like to speak at Carnegie 936 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,200 Mellon she said well did you talk to the 937 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,750 Dean and I said no she's my husband Stan 938 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:07,250 he's heard on the radio give him a call 939 00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:13,950 and so I called him and a talk was 940 00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:19,490 arranged and was amazing 941 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:22,680 the place the crowd was great a few 942 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,100 hundred mm-hmm and there were no nasty 943 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:30,030 noisy negative questions and you know 944 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:31,710 things went extremely well 945 00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:36,569 and it gave me a taste and the guy 946 00:41:36,569 --> 00:41:40,130 the guy whose wife I had talked to I 947 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:42,929 sent a nice letter to the agency through 948 00:41:42,929 --> 00:41:46,429 a boom we had booked the other speakers 949 00:41:46,429 --> 00:41:51,869 and they booked me I mean from him he is 950 00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:57,239 last question to me only was how much do 951 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,660 you want as you know a hundred dollars I 952 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:05,249 would have taken 50 but he booked me and 953 00:42:05,249 --> 00:42:07,439 because I knew his wife he told me where 954 00:42:07,439 --> 00:42:11,630 he was paying the other speakers 1517 955 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:14,429 and at that time that's probably a lot 956 00:42:14,429 --> 00:42:16,529 of money I mean that's a lot of money 957 00:42:16,529 --> 00:42:19,199 now so that's why I'm saying that you 958 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:20,789 know like he sent a nice letter to the 959 00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:26,219 agent when booked me mm-hmm and then I 960 00:42:26,219 --> 00:42:28,619 booked the the agent booked me at the 961 00:42:28,619 --> 00:42:31,829 Engineering Society of Detroit how much 962 00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:33,689 more respectable can you again I mean I 963 00:42:33,689 --> 00:42:35,279 read Japanese of cars but that doesn't 964 00:42:35,279 --> 00:42:35,579 count 965 00:42:35,579 --> 00:42:40,799 yeah and they were sold out two weeks in 966 00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:43,229 advance for a thousand people thousand 967 00:42:43,229 --> 00:42:45,119 and eight people for dinner and a talk 968 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,459 I'll always remember that number and no 969 00:42:47,459 --> 00:42:52,140 nasty negative attitudes and that 970 00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,779 impressed me frankly and I was so pretty 971 00:42:54,779 --> 00:42:57,599 darn young 2008 people holy cow 972 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:02,939 you know so I we had our successful test 973 00:43:02,939 --> 00:43:04,799 a nuclear rocket engine and naturally as 974 00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:05,999 a result of that the program was 975 00:43:05,999 --> 00:43:08,669 canceled yeah no it seems to always be 976 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,039 the case with stuff with with success 977 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:12,989 let me ask you because you said that you 978 00:43:12,989 --> 00:43:14,549 were at Westinghouse while you were 979 00:43:14,549 --> 00:43:17,400 doing a lot of this was it weird and I 980 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,619 can only assume I'll let you talk about 981 00:43:19,619 --> 00:43:21,959 it you know security clearances my 982 00:43:21,959 --> 00:43:23,759 assumption as you probably had one at 983 00:43:23,759 --> 00:43:27,479 this time oh I had a Q clearance from it 984 00:43:27,479 --> 00:43:29,609 took a couple of months and get one when 985 00:43:29,609 --> 00:43:31,979 I started work at GE good night all 986 00:43:31,979 --> 00:43:36,449 during that time and I've been 56 and 987 00:43:36,449 --> 00:43:37,610 this was 988 00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:40,730 in late seventies yes and I had a cute 989 00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:43,280 clearance the whole time so was it weird 990 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,610 was it weird to have that weird for you 991 00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:48,440 to have the clearance be working in 992 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,570 these security projects but then on your 993 00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:53,150 own time you're researching the lies and 994 00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:56,990 the cover-ups of the same agencies that 995 00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:58,670 the companies you're working for are 996 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:02,090 contracted by weird might not be the 997 00:44:02,090 --> 00:44:04,610 word I would have used but I was well 998 00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:07,190 aware of and and it's why I will say 999 00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:09,740 this it's one of the things that kept me 1000 00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:12,230 as honest as you could possibly be I 1001 00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:15,110 didn't want to get into any trouble 1002 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:18,950 mm-hm and I respected security and you 1003 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:20,660 know there's a basic rule you can't tell 1004 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:22,580 your friends without also telling your 1005 00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:24,590 enemies they read the newspapers they 1006 00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:26,120 listen to the radio and all the rest of 1007 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,420 that so I've had people say well of 1008 00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:30,860 course you told your wife would you were 1009 00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:32,840 doing no I never told my wife anything 1010 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,330 yeah so fine it's against the rules I 1011 00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:37,010 can lose my job and I don't know where 1012 00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:40,490 there's a spy sitting around no you 1013 00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:45,560 don't very important and I know once I 1014 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,340 had to carry my own slides with me for a 1015 00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:52,370 classified program I was going to be 1016 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:55,460 giving about probably no terrible 1017 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:58,340 chilling from the care of it and I'll 1018 00:44:58,340 --> 00:45:00,500 tell you they sit you down and they 1019 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,570 indoctrinate you and you know the slides 1020 00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:05,060 go with you not in the trunk of your car 1021 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:07,010 that you're driving not the rental car 1022 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:10,850 no with you on your person and if the 1023 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:12,830 plane crashes we need your itinerary to 1024 00:45:12,830 --> 00:45:14,480 point crashes we don't care about you we 1025 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,580 care about the slice right McCarran 1026 00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:18,680 calling aside I was so glad they're rid 1027 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,540 of that stuff imagine so I and I think I 1028 00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,180 did once have somebody X went over to 1029 00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,480 his home after a lecture I gave in Texas 1030 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,690 and indicated that he would they I was 1031 00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:34,760 being kept the reserves and I being kept 1032 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,480 on me but that they approved what I was 1033 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,790 doing I was not 1034 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:44,750 it was okay that was a relief and I was 1035 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:45,980 not surprised somebody was paying 1036 00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:49,900 attention but pleased that I wasn't 1037 00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:52,520 stepping across the line and it's 1038 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,590 something I've always tried to be very 1039 00:45:54,590 --> 00:45:58,070 careful about and again because it could 1040 00:45:58,070 --> 00:46:00,470 cost my job and national security is not 1041 00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:03,680 a trivial matter yeah you know I know 1042 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,330 some people think it doesn't matter to 1043 00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:07,250 anybody but it does to me even though I 1044 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:09,380 haven't had a clearance you know since 1045 00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:10,910 the first fourteen years so that would 1046 00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:16,580 be from 1970 on I haven't had a 1047 00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:21,590 clearance and I look security is 1048 00:46:21,590 --> 00:46:26,600 necessary for a lot of things it's like 1049 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,760 the first spice at like the corona spy 1050 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,150 satellite again people don't appreciate 1051 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:35,180 maybe the first 12 launches we knew the 1052 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:37,220 YouTube would be destroyed at some point 1053 00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:40,040 which it was oh you're probably not even 1054 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,750 older to remember that but it came as 1055 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:43,490 quite a shock on the worst five points 1056 00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:46,730 with very powers yeah no I wasn't around 1057 00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:49,310 then but I do definitely know the story 1058 00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:50,600 and have gone after quite a few 1059 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,740 documents about it 1060 00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:55,070 yeah and security is important yeah he 1061 00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:58,520 do have to be careful about it and when 1062 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,920 I mentioned the corona spy satellite we 1063 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,530 knew that the u2's would be would reach 1064 00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:08,360 their limit there were 12 unsuccessful 1065 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,300 launches of the attempt to put a corona 1066 00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,450 spy satellite in space mm-hmm the 13th 1067 00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:17,240 one works they can imagine how much 1068 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,550 money we're talking about here yeah and 1069 00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:23,360 it got more data so we had military 1070 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,010 construction you know it's just going 1071 00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:28,280 round and round and looking I then all 1072 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,000 the u2 flights that had preceded it it 1073 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,680 was not Declassified it went on for many 1074 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,250 years 1075 00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:40,070 mm-hmm and it was only Declassified 1076 00:47:40,070 --> 00:47:42,620 after it got replaced by other ones I 1077 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:44,360 got a real kick out of one of the things 1078 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,490 about Corona they D orbited the film 1079 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:52,310 they kicked it out of the spacecraft 1080 00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:56,840 and an airforce plane caught it like a 1081 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,750 big net no kidding out over the Pacific 1082 00:47:59,750 --> 00:48:02,630 in secret yeah I mean that's kind of 1083 00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:03,050 neat 1084 00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:04,850 that's actually very cool I've never 1085 00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:07,310 heard that about Corona I think one of 1086 00:48:07,310 --> 00:48:10,240 the things on your point that most 1087 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,010 people don't realize today and I'm often 1088 00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:15,470 ridiculed for saying this because I've 1089 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:17,360 spent now more than half of my life 1090 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,000 decades of my life going after 1091 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,310 government secrets but I come from a 1092 00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:25,880 family who has who has had clearances 1093 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,730 top secret clearance my grandfather 1094 00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:31,760 worked on propulsion systems and we 1095 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,080 believe we kind of traced some of his 1096 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,610 research and we believe that it led into 1097 00:48:34,610 --> 00:48:39,800 the the Saturn 5 rockets that that took 1098 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,590 us to the moon he was working at Bell 1099 00:48:42,590 --> 00:48:44,960 Aircraft and worked on the bell x-1 and 1100 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,730 then the Bell x5 that crushed every 1101 00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:50,240 where I got the x1 yeah very cool but 1102 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,100 where I'm often ridiculed is I actually 1103 00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,190 support that some secrets should be kept 1104 00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:57,350 and I think a lot of people you know 1105 00:48:57,350 --> 00:48:59,600 they back people like Edward Snowden and 1106 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,770 I don't know what your thoughts are on 1107 00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:02,780 that but I have been very outspoken 1108 00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:05,990 about what he has done and people trying 1109 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:07,760 to spill the beans about some of these 1110 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,360 classified programs and classified you 1111 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,520 know things that are going I'm not for 1112 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,970 the bean Spillers yeah and neither am i 1113 00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:18,350 and I'm glad to hear you say that but I 1114 00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:20,120 I think it's important and I think 1115 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,190 you've reinforced it that some secrets 1116 00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:26,270 should be kept and that that's gonna 1117 00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:27,950 lead me to my next question to you so 1118 00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:30,860 after you read all this material on UFOs 1119 00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:33,320 you went from intrigue to anger because 1120 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,620 obviously you're feeling lied to 1121 00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:37,760 obviously you kind of went full bore and 1122 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,890 went after the Roswell incident and and 1123 00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:43,430 and really did an amazing job getting 1124 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:45,860 out in the field literally talking to 1125 00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:48,380 people going to archives going through 1126 00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:51,400 documents what made you push on that 1127 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,020 specifically on Roswell versus you know 1128 00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:57,380 Socorro or some of these other UFO clubs 1129 00:49:57,380 --> 00:50:00,470 what was it about Roswell I I got very 1130 00:50:00,470 --> 00:50:04,130 lucky I heard about it from a television 1131 00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:05,900 program producer 1132 00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:11,060 Louisiana I was giving a lecture and the 1133 00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:12,560 students brought me to the station to do 1134 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,000 three interviews and when I finished one 1135 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,480 of them the third one the producer says 1136 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,370 you know the guy got a task to talk to 1137 00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:25,100 is Jesse Marcel and brilliant 1138 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,190 investigator than I am I said who's he 1139 00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:29,600 yeah well his next sentence changed my 1140 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,310 life he handled records or one of those 1141 00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:32,840 saucers you're interested in when he was 1142 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,330 in the military what you know it came 1143 00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:36,530 out of the blue and there was nobody 1144 00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:37,790 around he wasn't joking 1145 00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:40,040 this was not a casualty loss foundry 1146 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,710 mark what do you know about him he lives 1147 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:44,900 over in Houma great guy turns out they 1148 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,450 were ham-radio buddies from it had been 1149 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:48,260 for years 1150 00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:52,310 and I when I later asked him what did 1151 00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,560 Jesse tell you he didn't tell me 1152 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,440 anything this guy the producer had seen 1153 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,840 the articles in the newspaper back there 1154 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,050 and 47 you know army captures flying 1155 00:51:03,050 --> 00:51:05,450 saucer on ranch in Roswell region and a 1156 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:07,880 few hours later Air Forces only weather 1157 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,480 balloon radar reflector combination I 1158 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,140 took care of that you know and so 1159 00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:16,790 Roswell intrigued me I was impressed I 1160 00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:19,280 called information for the young people 1161 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,220 that's how you used to get phone numbers 1162 00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:23,630 it didn't go on your computer because 1163 00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:26,600 they didn't have one yeah you called 1164 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,520 information and the information our 1165 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,260 operators were very knowledgeable you 1166 00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:32,480 could say is that in a nice part of town 1167 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,810 things fine they would know a lot times 1168 00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:39,020 I got a number for Jesse now I was 1169 00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:41,300 impressed by him as a person but also 1170 00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,670 look at his position he was the 1171 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:46,880 intelligence officer for the only atomic 1172 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,910 bombing group in the entire world at the 1173 00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:54,410 time in the world the Russians didn't 1174 00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:58,910 have one until 49 and so you don't get 1175 00:51:58,910 --> 00:52:02,240 to be dad without having a lot on the 1176 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,810 ball and general the man who was head of 1177 00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:12,980 the 509 what went on he was he was a 1178 00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:16,550 colonel when he was at Roswell but he 1179 00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:18,830 went on to be a four-star general was 1180 00:52:18,830 --> 00:52:19,790 vice chief to Stan 1181 00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:21,590 for the United States Air Force when he 1182 00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:25,130 died of a massive heart attack again not 1183 00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:31,330 a dink and so I found out about Roswell 1184 00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:35,570 you know in the 70s and I first heard 1185 00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:38,000 about it from somebody else on some time 1186 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,590 around on what I was just talking about 1187 00:52:39,590 --> 00:52:43,760 a woman named Lydia slippy we calling 1188 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,140 and I had talked to her son who had had 1189 00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:46,220 a good sight and he said you ought to 1190 00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:49,190 talk to my mom and we did and she had 1191 00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:54,110 lived in Albuquerque and she had a the 1192 00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:57,290 Roswell story to some limited extent in 1193 00:52:57,290 --> 00:53:02,750 other words and so you know you do your 1194 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:05,840 thing but it was only after talking to 1195 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,800 Jesse that Bill Moore and I went after 1196 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,470 finding people first year we found 60 1197 00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:14,660 people in conjunction with Roswell 1198 00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:18,320 mmm-hmm and one of them of course was 1199 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,620 Walter Haut you know and talked about 1200 00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:23,870 luck John you know about this every once 1201 00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:25,850 in a while good things happen you're not 1202 00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:27,980 expecting them I didn't know anything 1203 00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:30,080 about Roswell so I looked and Oh they've 1204 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,610 got a newspaper I looked in editor & 1205 00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:34,550 Publisher Roswell Daily Record called 1206 00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:37,130 them and asked trying to get some more 1207 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:40,100 information I have a story here about 1208 00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:41,630 something that happened years ago and it 1209 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:45,440 mentions Walter Haut or hot his name is 1210 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,610 spelled three different ways in the 1211 00:53:46,610 --> 00:53:50,180 articles I had mm-hmm and I was shocked 1212 00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:52,070 when the gal on the other end says Oh 1213 00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:53,090 his wife works here 1214 00:53:53,090 --> 00:53:57,920 what Wow so I talked to the wife then I 1215 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,230 talked to Walter and he was a great help 1216 00:54:00,230 --> 00:54:02,470 he had a copy of the base your book 1217 00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:07,100 which he made for me and he remembered a 1218 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,440 lot of the people he was the PIO at but 1219 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,600 he also for those who say law public 1220 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,340 information I was a big deal 1221 00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:15,380 he was also a World War two bomb but 1222 00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:18,200 here more than 20 bombing missions over 1223 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,350 Japan and dropped the instrument package 1224 00:54:21,350 --> 00:54:23,920 and one of the nuclear weapons tests in 1225 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,230 1946 you pick your best guy to do that 1226 00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:28,220 because we didn't have a lot of nuclear 1227 00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:30,530 weapons back then you want a waste one 1228 00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:31,550 if you don't have your instrument 1229 00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:32,840 package in the right place at the right 1230 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,619 time 1231 00:54:33,619 --> 00:54:36,890 it's a wasted expression that's silly 1232 00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:40,099 so Walter was very special and I did 1233 00:54:40,099 --> 00:54:42,950 check he was well thought of in town but 1234 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,230 bill Moore and I found over 60 people in 1235 00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:47,690 the first year after that I was 1236 00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:50,779 impressed with the people I talked to 1237 00:54:50,779 --> 00:54:55,160 their backgrounds and what I could dig 1238 00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:00,680 out from the newspapers and stuff and so 1239 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,150 rocks well yeah you could say I'm 1240 00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:04,190 fixated on Roswell they love me in 1241 00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:07,549 Roswell but to give your audience 1242 00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:10,599 some idea of how interested people are 1243 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,690 last year the International UFO Museum 1244 00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:18,680 and Research Center in Roswell had two 1245 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,259 hundred and twenty three thousand 1246 00:55:21,259 --> 00:55:23,210 visitors that's crazy 1247 00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:25,130 from all over the world I mean 1248 00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:26,569 especially when you consider Roswell in 1249 00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:28,369 the middle of nowhere yeah I mean it's 1250 00:55:28,369 --> 00:55:30,079 200 miles from Albuquerque 200 miles 1251 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:31,579 around Marilla Turner miles from El Paso 1252 00:55:31,579 --> 00:55:34,099 it's not on the way to anywhere you know 1253 00:55:34,099 --> 00:55:35,779 it's not a place people cry but you got 1254 00:55:35,779 --> 00:55:37,279 to want to go there I've been there 1255 00:55:37,279 --> 00:55:38,869 myself you had you literally have to 1256 00:55:38,869 --> 00:55:41,180 it's it's like you said it's not on the 1257 00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:42,950 road and you take a five minute detour 1258 00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:45,670 it's it's out there it's quite a hike 1259 00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:50,599 yeah and so I say that not to impress 1260 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,069 people about me but to let them know 1261 00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:54,109 there are a lot of people interested in 1262 00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:56,289 the subject they wouldn't make that 1263 00:55:56,289 --> 00:55:58,690 dragged their kids 1264 00:55:58,690 --> 00:56:03,259 you know to Roswell and to me it's only 1265 00:56:03,259 --> 00:56:08,509 fitting John you realized that the base 1266 00:56:08,509 --> 00:56:10,849 was closed they've got a 13,000 foot 1267 00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:14,150 runway their runways are typically nine 1268 00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:16,190 or ten thousand at the Roswell Army 1269 00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:18,170 Airfield because that's where the five 1270 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:20,569 or ninth was based and these huge Beach 1271 00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:24,859 thirty Six's were lumbering in there and 1272 00:56:24,859 --> 00:56:30,890 so I it it's special all right 1273 00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:33,920 but when Lyndon Johnson ran for 1274 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,069 president in 64 New Mexico didn't vote 1275 00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:40,430 for him so after he became president he 1276 00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:43,999 closed the base in New Mexico and moved 1277 00:56:43,999 --> 00:56:47,690 it to Texas amazing yeah 1278 00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:50,420 so it seems fitting to me that they get 1279 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:53,660 the benefit of the government lives and 1280 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:56,260 cover up and all that sort of stuff 1281 00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:58,670 there are lots of people working at the 1282 00:56:58,670 --> 00:57:00,680 base and they were put out of work for 1283 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,470 no good reason at all yeah sadly that 1284 00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:06,109 happens way too often around the country 1285 00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:08,960 but specifically in Roswell after you 1286 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,210 spoke to everybody Walter Haut and all 1287 00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:12,500 these people that had the direct 1288 00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:15,650 connection to kind of bottom-line it for 1289 00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:18,710 the audience how convinced are you that 1290 00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:22,160 it was an alien spacecraft and not some 1291 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,150 other top-secret 1292 00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:26,920 weather balloon oh very very convinced 1293 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,230 partly because remember that Jesse 1294 00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:33,200 Marcel had a top-secret clearance when 1295 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,660 he was there as the intelligence officer 1296 00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:40,819 for the 509 mm-hmm and the way the 1297 00:57:40,819 --> 00:57:42,020 government would deal with something 1298 00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:46,280 like that was to say look this is 1299 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,910 classified technology and we cannot say 1300 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:52,099 anything about it yeah you know and 1301 00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:55,940 nobody did anything like that and and I 1302 00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:57,170 think that that's not to interrupt you 1303 00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:59,210 that's a very important point because 1304 00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:02,180 with a top-secret clearance being who he 1305 00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:05,210 was on that base anything in or around 1306 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:08,029 or on that base that was highly 1307 00:58:08,029 --> 00:58:10,849 classified he would know about it so as 1308 00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:14,150 decades go on you get involved the Air 1309 00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:16,490 Force keeps changing their story you 1310 00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:18,440 would think that that he would you know 1311 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,569 in essence have the quote-unquote real 1312 00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:23,869 answer if it was technology but what did 1313 00:58:23,869 --> 00:58:26,059 he tell you did he tell you it was alien 1314 00:58:26,059 --> 00:58:27,460 just to make sure the audience knows 1315 00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:32,839 what you heard from him he no he he had 1316 00:58:32,839 --> 00:58:33,920 handled wreckage 1317 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,849 he saw the pieces of wreckage because 1318 00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:39,440 Mac Brazel had brought them into the 1319 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,020 sheriff's office and the sheriff had 1320 00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:44,119 sent him to the base and he talked to 1321 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:48,680 Jesse and he talked to a lot of people 1322 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,779 and Walter and had talked to a lot of 1323 00:58:50,779 --> 00:58:54,829 people and they made very clear that 1324 00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:56,750 there was no indication from Colonel 1325 00:58:56,750 --> 00:59:00,440 been Colonel Blanchard you know that 1326 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:01,330 this was how 1327 00:59:01,330 --> 00:59:05,300 technology and as I say from my own 1328 00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:08,750 working unclassified programs mm-hmm 1329 00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:11,630 if it had been ours I believe the word 1330 00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:13,670 would have been put out to keep your 1331 00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:14,720 damn mouth shut 1332 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,880 yeah and everybody would have paid 1333 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,800 attention believe me they would mm-hmm 1334 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,080 all right because that's how these 1335 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,890 things work so you know the story was 1336 00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:27,440 buried very quickly but the more 1337 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,450 witnesses you talk to and the more data 1338 00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:33,080 you heard I I was stuck 1339 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,010 mm-hmm this darn thing was real and you 1340 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:39,950 know there have been debunkers all over 1341 00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:42,590 the place debunk is easy you don't need 1342 00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:44,480 to know anything just denial denial 1343 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,640 denial if the first explanation doesn't 1344 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,920 work try a second one that doesn't work 1345 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,870 try a third one just keep trying until 1346 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:54,020 something sticks yeah yeah and so 1347 00:59:54,020 --> 00:59:55,610 Roswell 1348 00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:57,710 you know I focused a lot of attention on 1349 00:59:57,710 --> 01:00:01,910 it sure but I was able to get because I 1350 01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:03,680 started you know somewheres near the 1351 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,930 time somebody who was directly involved 1352 01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:11,620 Jesse get access to lots of people and 1353 01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:14,570 get stories from lots of people mm-hmm 1354 01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:18,410 and what can I say not everybody in the 1355 01:00:18,410 --> 01:00:20,270 world is a liar all the time which is 1356 01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:21,650 what you'd have to say if you say the 1357 01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:23,840 story isn't true mm-hmm do I believe 1358 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,000 everything everybody ever anybody ever 1359 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,110 told me of course not 1360 01:00:27,110 --> 01:00:29,870 mm-hmm but you try to evaluate on the 1361 01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:32,780 basis of who's trustworthy and as I say 1362 01:00:32,780 --> 01:00:35,960 Blanchard went on to be a four-star 1363 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,750 general Mike's chief of staff of the Air 1364 01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:42,470 Force this is not a dink yeah you know 1365 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:43,970 this is not somebody with nothing better 1366 01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:45,950 to do with twiddle his thumbs and make 1367 01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:48,710 up stories and stuff like that and I did 1368 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:51,560 talk to Blanchard's daughter and two 1369 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,880 sons you know I talked to an awful lot 1370 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,360 of people because he was dead when I got 1371 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,190 involved in this thing yeah and I 1372 01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:02,840 couldn't talk to him I would have if I 1373 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,010 could have but I don't know how to get 1374 01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:06,920 to the other side yeah and after all 1375 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,800 you've done and you're convinced so now 1376 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,600 you know you you're saying that you're 1377 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,460 convinced and that to be honest with you 1378 01:01:13,460 --> 01:01:14,750 knowing you personally and knowing your 1379 01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:14,960 back 1380 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,970 crime that's good enough for me when it 1381 01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:18,950 comes to Roswell just simply because I 1382 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:20,900 know you've done the legwork it's not 1383 01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:23,750 one or two or three people that support 1384 01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:25,520 this story but rather you know you have 1385 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,589 talked to an exceptional amount let me 1386 01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:29,330 ask you then before we move away from 1387 01:01:29,330 --> 01:01:31,930 Roswell what do you feel after 1388 01:01:31,930 --> 01:01:33,440 everything that you've done and 1389 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,750 researched and who you've talked to what 1390 01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:38,660 do you feel the motivation is by the 1391 01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:41,270 military and by the government to cover 1392 01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:44,030 this up and the reason why I ask other 1393 01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:47,420 than the obvious one is it is so blatant 1394 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:49,580 not only with your research and your 1395 01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:52,640 books which by the way for those 1396 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,380 listening if you haven't checked them 1397 01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:56,270 out definitely check out the books you 1398 01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:59,150 can order them online and see a lot more 1399 01:01:59,150 --> 01:02:01,810 about Stanton Friedman at 1400 01:02:01,810 --> 01:02:11,030 www.stanford.edu n FR IE DM aen dot-com 1401 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:13,310 definitely check out those books but 1402 01:02:13,310 --> 01:02:15,020 stand after everything that that you've 1403 01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:18,290 done that in itself is amazing but when 1404 01:02:18,290 --> 01:02:20,630 you look at how blatant the lie really 1405 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:23,210 is I love doing public lectures and I 1406 01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:26,750 start with the most recent explanation 1407 01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:28,849 quote-unquote for the Roswell incident 1408 01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:32,599 by the government and it is so easy to 1409 01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:35,599 dismiss pretty much everything that they 1410 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,450 try and claim about the Roswell incident 1411 01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:39,890 it's not a stretch there's no leaked 1412 01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:41,839 documents there's not one guy who told 1413 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:44,270 me something in a dark garage one day it 1414 01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:47,690 is using their own documents to disprove 1415 01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:50,540 their own story why is that right Oh 1416 01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:53,089 dummies dropped six years later good 1417 01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:54,770 enough for you yeah I mean it's 1418 01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:58,790 ridiculous how how blatant the cover-up 1419 01:02:58,790 --> 01:03:01,010 is meaning the lies and you can prove it 1420 01:03:01,010 --> 01:03:03,859 why is it meaning why are they doing 1421 01:03:03,859 --> 01:03:06,230 this why is it so easy to disprove it 1422 01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:08,300 and what is their to motivation to keep 1423 01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:11,750 the lie going well I I'm worried about 1424 01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:14,030 that obviously I may have noticed I 1425 01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:16,520 don't speak for the government right oh 1426 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,900 I I think there are several reasons 1427 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:23,750 major one is technology in other words 1428 01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:25,609 if we have wreckage and of trying to 1429 01:03:25,609 --> 01:03:28,300 learn from it 1430 01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:30,590 and if the right our enemies find that 1431 01:03:30,590 --> 01:03:33,080 out they can put it together with what 1432 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,790 they have learned and maybe they can 1433 01:03:34,790 --> 01:03:36,830 beat us to the punch and you know 1434 01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:40,580 developing a higher faster further kind 1435 01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:45,110 of vehicle secondly I think that we tend 1436 01:03:45,110 --> 01:03:46,850 to forget I don't I've got to look up 1437 01:03:46,850 --> 01:03:48,230 the latest number how many countries 1438 01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:50,510 there are on planet earth but it's I 1439 01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:54,200 think it's over 190 there aren't many 1440 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,550 people thinking of themselves as 1441 01:03:55,550 --> 01:03:58,610 earthlings people in power want to stay 1442 01:03:58,610 --> 01:04:03,230 in power and III think that's one of the 1443 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:04,850 reasons you don't want to get the world 1444 01:04:04,850 --> 01:04:07,190 thinking that this is a planet and 1445 01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:09,350 should have a government because of it 1446 01:04:09,350 --> 01:04:11,510 does and I'm not going to be doing what 1447 01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:16,250 I'm doing in charge also I think there 1448 01:04:16,250 --> 01:04:21,830 is a feeling that the aliens at some 1449 01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:26,270 time or other may decide not to land on 1450 01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:27,980 a White House lawn which is one of those 1451 01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:29,480 silly notions 1452 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,970 it's a no-fly zone you know but to come 1453 01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:39,050 clean and times have changed look the 1454 01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:41,960 Pope has talked about life in outer 1455 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,470 space you know time thanks really have 1456 01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:50,380 changed and the biggest thing is the 1457 01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:54,920 Kepler satellite space telescope if you 1458 01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,330 will when Frank Drake and Carl Sagan 1459 01:04:59,330 --> 01:05:00,980 were talking about life in outer space 1460 01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:03,020 and let's listen for radio signals you 1461 01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:04,600 know and all this kind of stuff 1462 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,220 Frank was talking about 8-thousand there 1463 01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:09,440 may be 8,000 places I could be sending 1464 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,130 us signals 8,000 planets mm-hmm 1465 01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:15,230 the latest numbers from Kepler indicate 1466 01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:19,970 there are 1.6 planets per star so in our 1467 01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:21,830 galaxy alone that would be well over a 1468 01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:25,790 hundred billion planets hmm and I'm 1469 01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:28,100 saying they all have life and maybe only 1470 01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:30,710 10% maybe 2% you're still talking about 1471 01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:34,360 a huge number no even a fraction 1,000 1472 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,740 usually the kids learned that the 1473 01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:40,100 nearest star is 4.3 light years away but 1474 01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:41,300 if you look at the 1475 01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:44,360 the neighborhood there loads of stars 1476 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,940 and have other stars much much closer to 1477 01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:49,100 them than that my favorite paired Zeta 1 1478 01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:51,740 and Zeta 2 Reticuli from the Benny Hill 1479 01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:53,540 star map stuff described in my book 1480 01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:58,040 captured etcetera I those two stars only 1481 01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,480 thirty nine point three light-years from 1482 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,680 here but from each other they're only an 1483 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,090 eighth of a Lightyear apart 1484 01:06:07,090 --> 01:06:10,130 the other one is visible all day long 1485 01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:12,970 from a planet around the other one 1486 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,980 that's more than 30 times closer to each 1487 01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:18,230 other than we are to the next star over 1488 01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:20,750 so we're in the Belize mm-hmm we're on 1489 01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:22,820 the ad states but the other thing that's 1490 01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:23,420 changed 1491 01:06:23,420 --> 01:06:26,060 you know Bishop Ussher in the 16th 1492 01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:28,700 century I guess it was figured out he 1493 01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:30,530 was interested in sex he looked at all 1494 01:06:30,530 --> 01:06:33,260 the big gaps in the Bible and figured 1495 01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:35,180 out that the world was created in about 1496 01:06:35,180 --> 01:06:39,980 4004 BC so it's six six thousand years 1497 01:06:39,980 --> 01:06:42,940 old now we know that the earth alone is 1498 01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:45,740 good four billion years old give or take 1499 01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:48,140 them a few million tons of millions of 1500 01:06:48,140 --> 01:06:51,500 years so that makes time for others to 1501 01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:53,570 have developed trips to the neighbors 1502 01:06:53,570 --> 01:06:56,570 mm-hmm because everybody is going to ask 1503 01:06:56,570 --> 01:07:04,720 two questions among many are we alone 1504 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:10,720 and how do you get there mm-hmm and you 1505 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:17,350 know what do they want out there and 1506 01:07:17,350 --> 01:07:19,700 when you start looking at things that 1507 01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:22,450 way all right 1508 01:07:22,450 --> 01:07:25,250 everybody is also going to ask an 1509 01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,110 obvious question how does the Sun work 1510 01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:29,870 mm-hmm people don't realize 100 years 1511 01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:31,400 ago we thought the Sun was a massive 1512 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,850 burning gas and yeah and it turns out it 1513 01:07:34,850 --> 01:07:38,210 isn't it's nuclear fusion going on there 1514 01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:39,650 now I'm one of the few people can say I 1515 01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:41,600 worked on a study of fusion proposing 1516 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,950 way back in 1962 and if you got the 1517 01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:51,770 dough you can go that was so I'm saying 1518 01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:53,780 every civilization is going to ask the 1519 01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:54,830 question how does 1520 01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:58,280 star of ours produce its energy yeah we 1521 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,330 figured it out in 1938 that's after I 1522 01:08:02,330 --> 01:08:03,050 was born 1523 01:08:03,050 --> 01:08:08,480 mm-hmm and you know frisson and then 1524 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,350 fusion and again people don't understand 1525 01:08:12,350 --> 01:08:15,650 how much of a jump it is these aren't 1526 01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:17,390 just a little better than a chemical 1527 01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:20,420 rocket a big bomb in World War two and 1528 01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:22,550 which there were many dropped was a 1529 01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:25,460 10-ton Blockbuster released the energy 1530 01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:28,160 of ten tons of dynamite Wow I think a 1531 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,450 big hole in the ground all right all 1532 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:34,420 right okay the first atomic bomb 1945 1533 01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:38,170 efficient device releasing energy of 1534 01:08:38,170 --> 01:08:43,010 15,000 tons of dynamite 10 tons 15,000 1535 01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:44,510 tons the first 1536 01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:49,220 h-bomb of fusion device 1950 to reduce 1537 01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:52,550 the energy of 10 million tons of 1538 01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:55,250 dynamite mm-hmm and the Russian set off 1539 01:08:55,250 --> 01:09:01,160 Tsar Bomba name yes you know very how 1540 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,600 big 15 million tons of dynamite that's 1541 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,790 insane that is the biggest explosion 1542 01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:11,359 right to date yes yeah and the kicker is 1543 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,490 what I'm saying is not to scare people 1544 01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:16,939 about nuclear explosions but to realize 1545 01:09:16,939 --> 01:09:19,880 to any alien in this neighborhood he 1546 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,310 knows we couldn't go out and bother them 1547 01:09:24,310 --> 01:09:28,189 fusion would do the job and our track 1548 01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:30,380 record is pretty damn bad if you'll 1549 01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:33,649 pardon the expression but we killed 50 1550 01:09:33,649 --> 01:09:37,729 million people in World War 2 we 1551 01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:41,720 destroyed 1700 cities when everybody in 1552 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,160 the neighborhood want us to take our 1553 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,350 brand of friendship out there yeah I 1554 01:09:45,350 --> 01:09:49,359 don't think so they keep their eye on us 1555 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,740 and you know maybe you say well we're 1556 01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:54,050 really good guys at heart yeah but look 1557 01:09:54,050 --> 01:09:55,970 at the evidence now 50 million deaths 1558 01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:58,580 you don't value life very much do you 1559 01:09:58,580 --> 01:10:02,120 earthlings yeah yeah I don't know that's 1560 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,120 a huge conversation in itself where in 1561 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,910 would aliens then at that point 1562 01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:10,400 care to either come here or if they've 1563 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,800 been here come back you know what I mean 1564 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,390 because if there are as one civilization 1565 01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:17,600 that has the ability to reach us and can 1566 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,820 visit planet Earth the biggest question 1567 01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:21,380 that I've struggled with now for more 1568 01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:24,740 than 20 years is I don't know if they've 1569 01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:26,660 been here or not but if they have would 1570 01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:28,790 they ever care to come back I mean we 1571 01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:31,130 are that anthill in my opinion the 1572 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:32,510 anthill in the middle of the Sahara 1573 01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:36,290 Desert that isn't worth their time you 1574 01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:37,850 know what I mean we have a quarantine 1575 01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:40,370 izj ah yeah kind of I mean we'll 1576 01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:42,740 quarantine but but just by quarantine 1577 01:10:42,740 --> 01:10:44,660 they can just ignore you know what I 1578 01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:46,490 mean I mean we just don't have it have I 1579 01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:48,530 show up on their doorsteps with nuclear 1580 01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:51,260 weapons rather too ready to enforce 1581 01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:55,160 their will on us yeah us on them but do 1582 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,780 you do you think they don't think the 1583 01:10:56,780 --> 01:10:59,150 Galactic Federation wants to allow that 1584 01:10:59,150 --> 01:11:01,910 kind of stuff to go on if and this is an 1585 01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:03,470 honest question because I think that 1586 01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:07,040 this is a big one do you think which it 1587 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,450 doesn't even have the biggest nuclear 1588 01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:09,980 bomb that we've exploded that when the 1589 01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,710 Soviets did it do you think that that 1590 01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:16,640 would even threaten them at all it 1591 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,130 threatens us and it scares the bejeebers 1592 01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:20,540 out of probably a lot of people who 1593 01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:23,030 weren't aware of the magnitude of the 1594 01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:24,950 nuclear weapons but to a civilization 1595 01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:27,200 who can traverse the Stars and this is 1596 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,030 an honest question do you think that 1597 01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:32,810 that that would even be remotely close 1598 01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:35,600 to the technology and the weaponry 1599 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,220 that's that someone like that has I know 1600 01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:41,900 probably not because we haven't been 1601 01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:43,310 around long enough to develop the 1602 01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:46,490 ultimate if you will but it would be 1603 01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:48,020 enough to say keep your eye on the 1604 01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:50,090 idiots over there yeah at the rate 1605 01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:52,490 they're look we have exploded 2,000 1606 01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:55,060 nuclear weapons on this planet mm-hmm 1607 01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,920 you know and some of them underwater and 1608 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,640 all the rest of them huge that isn't the 1609 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,770 point it tells you something about the 1610 01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:06,350 civilization here so I don't think the 1611 01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:08,930 Galactic Federation Intelligence Agency 1612 01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:10,820 I just made up a new alphabet soup page 1613 01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:16,610 yes I would want to let us zip along in 1614 01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:18,590 our own speed and come out and threaten 1615 01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:21,140 them mm-hmm we're more like 1616 01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:24,380 were nasty like I say 50 million lives 1617 01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:28,910 is not peanut butter you know so I think 1618 01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:32,450 that I think they're good reasons for 1619 01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:34,310 their not landing and saying okay guys 1620 01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:36,260 here's the way you got to do business I 1621 01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:38,930 think there are rules because I think an 1622 01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:42,350 advanced civilization makes rules to 1623 01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:46,280 protect its citizens and we haven't 1624 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,830 really done that you know here we're at 1625 01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:50,690 the war they're at war that's the way it 1626 01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:52,520 goes on earth yeah it's probably a song 1627 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,950 there no and there absolutely is a song 1628 01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:57,200 there's a hundred and ninety five 1629 01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,300 countries to go back to what you were 1630 01:12:59,300 --> 01:13:02,060 saying before yeah so there's a hundred 1631 01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:04,850 ninety five countries as we talk and to 1632 01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:06,200 be honest with you there's a hundred and 1633 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,600 ninety five mindsets of how this planet 1634 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,270 should be run and to your point I don't 1635 01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:14,780 think there's any unity to that fact 1636 01:13:14,780 --> 01:13:17,000 meaning and the number is growing from 1637 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,270 what I understand from 109 right so I 1638 01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:21,710 mean people aren't coming together and 1639 01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:25,130 joining hands and and and living in a 1640 01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:27,620 paradise sadly it is quite the opposite 1641 01:13:27,620 --> 01:13:29,240 where we have Wars going on and 1642 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,860 different parts of the world in 1643 01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:32,450 different countries and people who hate 1644 01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:34,190 each other still hate each other and so 1645 01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:36,730 on and so forth so sadly there's just no 1646 01:13:36,730 --> 01:13:40,010 unity here on the planet Earth and not 1647 01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:42,650 to sound a little new agey but sadly we 1648 01:13:42,650 --> 01:13:45,110 do need to get to that point where we 1649 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:47,540 work together and and figure out because 1650 01:13:47,540 --> 01:13:49,670 we are gonna have to figure out how to 1651 01:13:49,670 --> 01:13:52,070 get off this planet and join that 1652 01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:54,290 galactic federation if it exists we have 1653 01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:56,360 a space force now so why not you know 1654 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,550 create and join the the Galactic 1655 01:13:58,550 --> 01:14:01,430 Federation because I did a show stand I 1656 01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:03,290 don't know if you saw it but it was 1657 01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:04,760 about the end of the world that was on 1658 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,040 History Channel and I got to produce and 1659 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,510 write this thing and it was called I 1660 01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:10,820 didn't well between you and me and 1661 01:14:10,820 --> 01:14:12,380 everyone listening I didn't care for the 1662 01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:15,110 ultimate title it ended up originally it 1663 01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:17,030 was called the end but it ended up 1664 01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:20,270 doomsday ten ways the planet will die 1665 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:23,840 and every episode talked about nuclear 1666 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,630 war or an asteroid impact or so on and 1667 01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:28,430 so forth so this production company 1668 01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:30,230 called me and they said okay we've got 1669 01:14:30,230 --> 01:14:32,840 an episode the synopsis is if aliens 1670 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,270 come here and they're in 1671 01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:37,090 is malicious what happens and so I got 1672 01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:40,270 to literally write a one-hour show yeah 1673 01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:41,680 it was it was a lot of fun I'll have to 1674 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,000 send you a link to it so you can walk 1675 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,910 because you can watch my whole point is 1676 01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:48,820 is is and that goes to my question to 1677 01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:52,690 you earlier was do we even could we even 1678 01:14:52,690 --> 01:14:55,180 ding their Armour or so to speak with 1679 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:57,310 what we've got because if they're there 1680 01:14:57,310 --> 01:14:58,780 and they can traverse the Stars they've 1681 01:14:58,780 --> 01:15:02,230 got an awful lot that travel is not such 1682 01:15:02,230 --> 01:15:04,690 a big deal and I mentioned nuclear I 1683 01:15:04,690 --> 01:15:07,450 didn't point out that for example um 1684 01:15:07,450 --> 01:15:09,970 world war ii submarine you know u-boats 1685 01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:12,910 big threat to shipping everywhere could 1686 01:15:12,910 --> 01:15:15,400 stay underwater for 24 hours mm-hmm now 1687 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,700 they can go around the world without 1688 01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:21,760 coming to surf yeah yeah and we have 1689 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,280 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers they 1690 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,260 need a tanker nearby they can operate 1691 01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:30,130 for 18 years without refueling just 1692 01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:30,900 mm-hmm 1693 01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:33,430 so that's what I'm saying part of the 1694 01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:35,410 picture you remember the Malmstrom Air 1695 01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:37,540 Force Base case they're paying attention 1696 01:15:37,540 --> 01:15:40,590 to where we have nuclear weapons 1697 01:15:40,590 --> 01:15:45,670 so we're looming large and somebody's 1698 01:15:45,670 --> 01:15:48,690 public's ago keep your eye on the idiot 1699 01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:53,260 and that's us in the laughs yeah in the 1700 01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:54,730 last 10 minutes here with you Stan 1701 01:15:54,730 --> 01:15:56,110 because I know you're you're packing 1702 01:15:56,110 --> 01:15:58,870 your bags literally to go to Roswell 1703 01:15:58,870 --> 01:16:01,630 here in the next the next day so I do 1704 01:16:01,630 --> 01:16:03,160 appreciate you taking the time but in 1705 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,700 the last 10 minutes I want to talk about 1706 01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:08,770 today ufology today in the state of 1707 01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:10,540 research into this field I mean 1708 01:16:10,540 --> 01:16:13,090 obviously the last seven months has been 1709 01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:14,530 fairly seven eight months has been 1710 01:16:14,530 --> 01:16:17,650 fairly exciting we've got news of a you 1711 01:16:17,650 --> 01:16:20,290 know a secret Pentagon UFO study which 1712 01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:22,540 is fairly controversial still we don't 1713 01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:23,770 know a whole lot about it 1714 01:16:23,770 --> 01:16:25,660 a lot of speculation and rumor out there 1715 01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:28,150 we don't know you know exactly what it 1716 01:16:28,150 --> 01:16:30,730 is but with that being said it's an 1717 01:16:30,730 --> 01:16:33,430 exciting time and sadly you did announce 1718 01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:36,550 your retirement earlier this year from 1719 01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:39,160 the field and as a friend of yours I'm 1720 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,740 telling you you seem more busy in your 1721 01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:44,650 retirement than you did while you were 1722 01:16:44,650 --> 01:16:46,390 active so hopefully you were getting 1723 01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:47,750 some rest 1724 01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:50,630 and well I'm look this trip to Roswell 1725 01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:52,790 which I leave tomorrow mm-hmm 1726 01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:56,270 is my last big trip I've got another 1727 01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:59,330 lecture booked in South Carolina which 1728 01:16:59,330 --> 01:17:01,280 has been booked for many many months and 1729 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,740 maybe one in California and that's it 1730 01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:06,710 mm-hmm hey I'm gonna be 84 John yeah 1731 01:17:06,710 --> 01:17:08,540 well 84 you're supposed to be traipsing 1732 01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:11,240 around the neck galactic neighborhood 1733 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,240 when you're 84 yeah well you've done 1734 01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,900 you've done amazing in the the 84 years 1735 01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:21,110 young that you've been around let me let 1736 01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:22,520 me go back to that question though of 1737 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,700 what you feel today is are you happy 1738 01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:28,220 with with what the field is today from 1739 01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:32,090 from the late 1960s on are you disturbed 1740 01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:35,390 what's what's going on I I think it's a 1741 01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:37,160 it's a mix there are things that bother 1742 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,980 me there are things that please me I I 1743 01:17:39,980 --> 01:17:43,190 think that I noticed the MUFON Journal 1744 01:17:43,190 --> 01:17:47,510 is getting fancier looking good serious 1745 01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:50,270 effort what I want to know and you 1746 01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:52,190 mentioned that the release of 1747 01:17:52,190 --> 01:17:55,000 information last December in January 1748 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,940 louise Elizondo and others and the fact 1749 01:17:58,940 --> 01:18:01,400 that there was a secret program for cost 1750 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,620 we only spent 22 million dollars which 1751 01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:06,920 is peanuts but the question I want to 1752 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,860 have an answer to and I've been 1753 01:18:09,860 --> 01:18:11,200 impressed with what I've seen 1754 01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,900 Elizondo and some of the others but my 1755 01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:17,870 quick question is where is the paper you 1756 01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:19,520 don't have government-sponsored programs 1757 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,650 without there being reports generated 1758 01:18:21,650 --> 01:18:25,370 the nature of the beast you know you 1759 01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:28,010 can't avoid paper progress reports 1760 01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:30,110 quarterly reports semiannual reports 1761 01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:32,150 annual reports technical reports they're 1762 01:18:32,150 --> 01:18:33,980 all over the place we haven't seen one 1763 01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:39,560 yep yeah and then why and was it because 1764 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,570 the original stuff story came out and 1765 01:18:41,570 --> 01:18:43,190 they were afraid to prosecute the people 1766 01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:44,990 for releasing it because and that would 1767 01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:48,200 be admitting that it was true but 1768 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,020 they're withholding the rest I don't 1769 01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:53,660 know it bothers me mm-hm I want to see 1770 01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:56,660 those reports guys yeah no I and I agree 1771 01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:58,190 and that's been one of the red flags and 1772 01:18:58,190 --> 01:19:00,140 concerns for me now I will say that the 1773 01:19:00,140 --> 01:19:01,340 official line from the 1774 01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:04,160 government side is that the reports 1775 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,810 everything that you just mentioned and 1776 01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:08,330 your this is why I love you to death is 1777 01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:11,240 that you know what to go after so those 1778 01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,250 are the reports that I'm going after and 1779 01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:15,290 according to a couple different agencies 1780 01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:17,660 now mostly the office of the Secretary 1781 01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:19,520 of Defense everything that you just 1782 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,150 mentioned would be at the Defense 1783 01:19:23,150 --> 01:19:26,480 Intelligence Agency and sadly out of the 1784 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,490 entire government federal etc the that 1785 01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:34,540 is the worst agency that it could be yet 1786 01:19:34,540 --> 01:19:38,090 because they are roughly approximately 1787 01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:40,910 about two years backlogged I literally 1788 01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:44,030 just got a FOIA response from them I kid 1789 01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:46,670 you not about a week and a half ago that 1790 01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:48,730 was in response to a request I did in 1791 01:19:48,730 --> 01:19:53,870 2014 so that could yeah and so I mean 1792 01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:56,810 four years on that one alone the average 1793 01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:57,950 is about a year and a half to two years 1794 01:19:57,950 --> 01:20:01,100 now so to go back to your point where is 1795 01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:02,840 everything where's the beef 1796 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,030 the official line that's at the DIA but 1797 01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:06,890 once it gets processed we could wait two 1798 01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:09,290 years for nothing because that request 1799 01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:11,720 that I did in 2014 if you can believe it 1800 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,620 the responsive records were 100% 1801 01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:18,410 classified so I waited four years for 1802 01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:20,300 them to tell me that they couldn't give 1803 01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:23,690 it to me so that being said I'm with you 1804 01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:25,430 I want to see the beef I want to see the 1805 01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:28,220 original stuff the the progress reports 1806 01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:30,470 the quarterly reports you know and but 1807 01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:33,380 again that's that's a show in itself so 1808 01:20:33,380 --> 01:20:36,890 tomorrow where do you think you follow 1809 01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:42,200 gee is I think it's sitting waiting for 1810 01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,320 old guys like me to retire I guess among 1811 01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,900 other things but no we don't want you to 1812 01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:51,110 go to be honest with you at all I'm 1813 01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:53,390 still at the end of a phone you know 1814 01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:57,770 yeah I can do that easily without I went 1815 01:20:57,770 --> 01:20:59,990 to Arkansas several months ago three 1816 01:20:59,990 --> 01:21:02,020 four flights they get there from here 1817 01:21:02,020 --> 01:21:05,480 thanks that's walking around airports 1818 01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:08,950 I'll tell you at my age anyway but I 1819 01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:12,740 think there is definitely a difference 1820 01:21:12,740 --> 01:21:14,750 in attitude I don't get many people 1821 01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:15,320 saying with 1822 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,230 the only ones anymore mm-hmm and you 1823 01:21:18,230 --> 01:21:21,139 know there's an old saying if you will 1824 01:21:21,139 --> 01:21:24,230 new ideas come to be accepted not 1825 01:21:24,230 --> 01:21:26,000 because your opponents come to believe 1826 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,130 in them but because there's a their 1827 01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:30,409 opponents die and a new generation grows 1828 01:21:30,409 --> 01:21:33,020 up that's accustomed to them mm-hmm 1829 01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:36,199 and I think we're living at a time where 1830 01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:38,389 we're accustomed to the idea of there 1831 01:21:38,389 --> 01:21:43,099 being aliens out there you know it's not 1832 01:21:43,099 --> 01:21:45,560 a shocking notion to young people oh 1833 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,079 sure we can go in space why couldn't 1834 01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:51,949 they be going in space and so I'm 1835 01:21:51,949 --> 01:21:54,500 pleased that I think we're going to be 1836 01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:57,349 moving forward and I think there will be 1837 01:21:57,349 --> 01:21:59,570 more people who take it seriously 1838 01:21:59,570 --> 01:22:04,389 I think that there will be more stories 1839 01:22:04,389 --> 01:22:08,409 maybe we won't get the documents an 1840 01:22:08,409 --> 01:22:12,590 optimist about that but I think there 1841 01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:14,150 will be more people who may make 1842 01:22:14,150 --> 01:22:16,849 deathbed confessions because the ground 1843 01:22:16,849 --> 01:22:18,889 has already been walked on so to speak 1844 01:22:18,889 --> 01:22:22,460 mm-hmm all right and so I'm still an 1845 01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:25,429 optimist John yeah sure I would like to 1846 01:22:25,429 --> 01:22:27,290 have said 20 years ago Oh we'll know 1847 01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:29,360 everything in 10 years you know I 1848 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,780 couldn't have said then and I won't now 1849 01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:35,989 but I think the tone is right that is I 1850 01:22:35,989 --> 01:22:37,849 think people have grown accustomed to 1851 01:22:37,849 --> 01:22:39,889 the notion that there are aliens out 1852 01:22:39,889 --> 01:22:42,590 there not necessarily that they're 1853 01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:44,000 coming here that the government is 1854 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,010 covered up although I always get a great 1855 01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:49,369 response when I show an NSA UFO document 1856 01:22:49,369 --> 01:22:51,250 where you can read one sentence per page 1857 01:22:51,250 --> 01:22:54,380 or you know there's those hundreds of 1858 01:22:54,380 --> 01:22:57,889 CIA documents all blacked out redacted 1859 01:22:57,889 --> 01:23:01,639 that sounds so much better than yeah and 1860 01:23:01,639 --> 01:23:03,679 that's why they use whiteout on some of 1861 01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:06,560 them so it doesn't look as striking well 1862 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,219 yeah the NSA documents I got 156 pages 1863 01:23:10,219 --> 01:23:13,070 of top-secret Umbra material you can 1864 01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:15,650 read one sentence per page mm-hmm and 1865 01:23:15,650 --> 01:23:19,280 the NSA actually put out a memo haven't 1866 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:20,900 looked at in a long time saying that we 1867 01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:22,429 have reason to believe that some or all 1868 01:23:22,429 --> 01:23:25,340 of our agencies shall be will receive 1869 01:23:25,340 --> 01:23:27,679 requests from Stanton Friedman I gave my 1870 01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:29,130 address what they block that out 1871 01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:33,389 God for information about UFOs if such a 1872 01:23:33,389 --> 01:23:35,880 request is received do not respond is 1873 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,739 required by Air Force regulation blah 1874 01:23:37,739 --> 01:23:40,860 blah blah blah instead sending requests 1875 01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:42,630 to headquarters if there's nothing to 1876 01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:45,270 cover up what do you make statements 1877 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:47,699 like that for yeah they're worried 1878 01:23:47,699 --> 01:23:49,260 they're worried that people ask 1879 01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:51,540 questions like you have done and have 1880 01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:54,690 done beautifully for decades they're 1881 01:23:54,690 --> 01:23:58,100 afraid of that and I think people are 1882 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,960 most people are just comfortable taking 1883 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,719 what I call the company line and moving 1884 01:24:03,719 --> 01:24:05,489 on they go back to their cell phones and 1885 01:24:05,489 --> 01:24:07,469 their reality TV and they don't care to 1886 01:24:07,469 --> 01:24:09,929 to ask questions and I think as 1887 01:24:09,929 --> 01:24:11,790 indicative by that memo you just talked 1888 01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:13,739 about when people like you come along 1889 01:24:13,739 --> 01:24:15,600 and they ask questions and they push 1890 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,340 back that in itself is is part of that 1891 01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:23,159 national security problem about UFOs 1892 01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,580 that keeps me curious I don't know if 1893 01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:27,900 you feel the same way but it's that 1894 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:31,260 cover-up that is so blatant I just I 1895 01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:34,739 can't lose interest I can't I can't stop 1896 01:24:34,739 --> 01:24:37,170 you know I just keep kind of pushing oh 1897 01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:39,300 the feeling John and I look at people 1898 01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:41,280 ask me who's coming along that you would 1899 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,050 trust and yours is the first name that 1900 01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:45,719 comes to mind well I'm honored somebody 1901 01:24:45,719 --> 01:24:49,590 who's pushed it was pushed hard and how 1902 01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:51,840 shall I put it legally you've gone 1903 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,460 through channels you've done things the 1904 01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:55,020 right way you haven't disgraced the 1905 01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:59,489 field my there are people who wail 1906 01:24:59,489 --> 01:25:01,980 loudly making all kinds of claims it 1907 01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:04,020 isn't good enough to make claims yeah do 1908 01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:06,360 something about it yeah you know show me 1909 01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,000 the paper that's right and there's not a 1910 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,820 whole lot of original true original 1911 01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:15,360 research out there and you know I could 1912 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,870 talk to you all day long and sadly you 1913 01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:20,250 know this is kind of the end of the hour 1914 01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:23,190 that we allotted for our dialogue here 1915 01:25:23,190 --> 01:25:26,130 but I really do hope obviously we're 1916 01:25:26,130 --> 01:25:27,600 friends that will continue to talk but 1917 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,429 on the air I want to tell you hopefully 1918 01:25:29,429 --> 01:25:32,520 you do realize not only with me how much 1919 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,080 of an inspiration that you have been 1920 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,030 because of that original research and 1921 01:25:36,030 --> 01:25:38,010 because of that hard work I mean you 1922 01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:41,159 truly were the pioneer in this and 1923 01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:42,560 showing others hey 1924 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,510 don't be afraid to do this don't be 1925 01:25:44,510 --> 01:25:47,390 afraid to ask questions I can tell you 1926 01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:49,280 that I probably don't just speak for 1927 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,650 myself with that so I hope when when we 1928 01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:53,390 hang up even though we'll probably talk 1929 01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:56,540 again very soon for for everyone out 1930 01:25:56,540 --> 01:26:00,140 there just know that that that that 1931 01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:02,180 you're an inspiration to them too and I 1932 01:26:02,180 --> 01:26:04,430 think that for anybody who wants to 1933 01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:06,440 learn more about Stanton he really is 1934 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:08,390 the real deal I don't say it that often 1935 01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:11,180 as you guys will listen to this show and 1936 01:26:11,180 --> 01:26:12,620 hopefully continue to listen week after 1937 01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:15,350 week it is very rare for me to truly 1938 01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:18,590 endorse the work of somebody stanton is 1939 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,520 definitely one of them check him out at 1940 01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,210 WWSD n friedman calm amazon has you 1941 01:26:26,210 --> 01:26:28,130 listed stand as the author of 12 books 1942 01:26:28,130 --> 01:26:31,400 is that an accurate number I would have 1943 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,230 said 6 but there are some things that 1944 01:26:33,230 --> 01:26:35,270 some people call books and I don't go I 1945 01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:35,780 gotcha 1946 01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:37,760 ok well it spits out 12 I believe on 1947 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,810 Amazon 1948 01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:40,940 regardless by Amal if you're listening 1949 01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:43,190 there definitely well worth it well 1950 01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:45,800 researched and again that original 1951 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,510 research that we all know and love so 1952 01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:50,450 Stanton thank you so so much for joining 1953 01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:52,820 me on this first episode it was only 1954 01:26:52,820 --> 01:26:54,800 fitting out of this entire field for me 1955 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,920 to ask you to appear with me on this on 1956 01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,270 this first show which I'm very excited 1957 01:26:59,270 --> 01:27:02,270 about and there's a lot of exciting 1958 01:27:02,270 --> 01:27:04,130 shows coming but thank you for taking my 1959 01:27:04,130 --> 01:27:06,710 pleasure John thanks for having me thank 1960 01:27:06,710 --> 01:27:08,930 you and that wraps up my interview with 1961 01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:10,630 Stanton Friedman but don't go anywhere 1962 01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:13,760 because coming up is that one document 1963 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,980 I'm gonna profile this episode and it's 1964 01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:19,280 one that is on the top of my list as not 1965 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,500 only being important but it's one of my 1966 01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:24,500 favorites stay tuned for this episode's 1967 01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:26,890 edition of tbv unredacted 1968 01:27:26,890 --> 01:27:36,690 [Music] 1969 01:27:36,690 --> 01:27:39,760 this week's document and tbv unredacted 1970 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,000 is kind of fitting for my first show not 1971 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,739 only as you just heard mr. Stanton 1972 01:27:44,739 --> 01:27:46,900 Friedman who I have known longer than 1973 01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:49,420 anybody in the UFO field let me tell you 1974 01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:52,030 he's an amazing person to know not only 1975 01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:53,980 because of who he is but of the 1976 01:27:53,980 --> 01:27:56,620 knowledge that he has that it goes well 1977 01:27:56,620 --> 01:27:58,480 beyond Roswell and we only scratched the 1978 01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,940 surface you can only do that 1979 01:27:59,940 --> 01:28:03,520 barely in an hour with Stanton but I 1980 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,160 also felt it fitting that this episode's 1981 01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,360 first TBB unredacted highlight is the 1982 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,969 first document that I ever got under the 1983 01:28:12,969 --> 01:28:15,130 Freedom of Information Act now here's 1984 01:28:15,130 --> 01:28:17,860 the backstory when I was 15 years old 1985 01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:20,050 like I told Stanton in the introduction 1986 01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:22,810 I was fascinated by the topic never 1987 01:28:22,810 --> 01:28:24,310 thought that I would be an investigator 1988 01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:26,320 never thought that I would actually go 1989 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,940 out there and start filing for your 1990 01:28:27,940 --> 01:28:30,340 request and trying to get answers and 1991 01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:32,800 that method rather I was just looking 1992 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,410 for information online I wanted to see 1993 01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:37,600 what was out there and I read about this 1994 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,910 document it had been out before and it 1995 01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:42,880 was called the 1976 Iran incident that's 1996 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,980 what it's been infamously known as and 1997 01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:47,680 it was a four-page government document 1998 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,920 or so this website claimed and I read 1999 01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:52,290 through it and I thought to myself 2000 01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:56,320 there's no way that this document could 2001 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,480 be real now I'll get to the story in a 2002 01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,670 second so when I was 15 this website 2003 01:29:00,670 --> 01:29:02,920 kind of knew that there would be some 2004 01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,199 skepticism behind what this document was 2005 01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:09,400 was all about and people would doubt it 2006 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,590 and that's exactly what I did because 2007 01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:13,660 there are so many bunk stories out there 2008 01:29:13,660 --> 01:29:16,000 I just didn't believe that this one was 2009 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,400 real and so it talked about this thing 2010 01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,040 called the Freedom of Information Act 2011 01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,469 now I had no idea what the Freedom of 2012 01:29:23,469 --> 01:29:25,480 Information Act even was at this point 2013 01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:27,610 but it said if you want to get the 2014 01:29:27,610 --> 01:29:30,340 document itself you can all you have to 2015 01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:33,010 do is ask for it now I thought there's 2016 01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:35,800 no way that the government is gonna send 2017 01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,290 little old me anything for free but 2018 01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:40,210 that's what this website said so they 2019 01:29:40,210 --> 01:29:41,949 gave you kind of a form letter that you 2020 01:29:41,949 --> 01:29:44,010 could copy and paste asking for this 2021 01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:46,390 specific record it was only four pages 2022 01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:49,030 and sure enough 2023 01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:51,159 I filed that request and within about a 2024 01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:54,010 month I think it took the government 2025 01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:56,469 sent it to me now I was shocked because 2026 01:29:56,469 --> 01:29:58,750 this document was real now what's the 2027 01:29:58,750 --> 01:30:00,969 contents well it's an incident that 2028 01:30:00,969 --> 01:30:03,670 happened in September of 1976 it goes a 2029 01:30:03,670 --> 01:30:04,809 little something like this 2030 01:30:04,809 --> 01:30:07,389 the base commander there at the local 2031 01:30:07,389 --> 01:30:10,329 Imperial Iranian Air Force Base was 2032 01:30:10,329 --> 01:30:12,099 receiving multiple phone calls from 2033 01:30:12,099 --> 01:30:14,469 people all around the city they were 2034 01:30:14,469 --> 01:30:17,320 talking about a UFO an unknown aircraft 2035 01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,840 in their vicinity that shouldn't be 2036 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,699 there and they were asking well what do 2037 01:30:21,699 --> 01:30:23,980 you guys have in the air well the base 2038 01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:25,510 commander tried to tell everybody that 2039 01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:27,340 they were just seeing stars in the sky 2040 01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:29,139 but after quite a few phone calls 2041 01:30:29,139 --> 01:30:32,110 according to this document he went 2042 01:30:32,110 --> 01:30:34,780 outside took some field binoculars sure 2043 01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:39,159 enough he sees the UFO now it shouldn't 2044 01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:39,760 have been there 2045 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,670 all right that's that's point number one 2046 01:30:41,670 --> 01:30:45,159 he knew everything that was in that area 2047 01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:47,590 he was the base commander and he didn't 2048 01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:50,260 have anything in the air so he scrambles 2049 01:30:50,260 --> 01:30:53,020 an f4 phantom jet to go take a look now 2050 01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:55,239 as it gets about 25 nautical miles from 2051 01:30:55,239 --> 01:30:57,639 the object something strange happens 2052 01:30:57,639 --> 01:30:59,980 this document says that the f4 phantom 2053 01:30:59,980 --> 01:31:02,739 jet lost all communication and most of 2054 01:31:02,739 --> 01:31:04,809 his control panels everything just kind 2055 01:31:04,809 --> 01:31:07,210 of shut down so thinking it was a plane 2056 01:31:07,210 --> 01:31:10,030 malfunction or something like that it 2057 01:31:10,030 --> 01:31:11,550 had turned away from the object 2058 01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:14,800 seemingly no longer a threat to whatever 2059 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,199 this UFO was it regained everything now 2060 01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:19,389 that's not my assumption if you could 2061 01:31:19,389 --> 01:31:21,369 believe it the document actually is the 2062 01:31:21,369 --> 01:31:24,460 one that says that itself it says and I 2063 01:31:24,460 --> 01:31:27,460 quote as the f4 approached a range of 25 2064 01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:28,449 nautical miles 2065 01:31:28,449 --> 01:31:30,639 he lost all instrumentation and 2066 01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:33,520 communications parenthesis UHF and 2067 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,280 intercom he broke off the intercept and 2068 01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,099 headed back to sure okie that's the 2069 01:31:39,099 --> 01:31:41,739 airbase when the f4 turned away from the 2070 01:31:41,739 --> 01:31:43,809 object and apparently was no longer a 2071 01:31:43,809 --> 01:31:46,599 threat to it the aircraft regained all 2072 01:31:46,599 --> 01:31:48,699 instrumentation and communications 2073 01:31:48,699 --> 01:31:52,619 unquote now that's a pretty interesting 2074 01:31:52,619 --> 01:31:56,289 summation in this document because it 2075 01:31:56,289 --> 01:31:57,639 was showing that whatever this object 2076 01:31:57,639 --> 01:32:00,190 was had intelligence now the base 2077 01:32:00,190 --> 01:32:02,760 commander once this f4 phantom returned 2078 01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,350 scrambled a completely different f4 2079 01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:07,810 phantom jet to go take a look and it 2080 01:32:07,810 --> 01:32:10,000 approached at about 25 nautical miles 2081 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,310 the exact same distance as the first one 2082 01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:15,420 when it lost all communications and and 2083 01:32:15,420 --> 01:32:18,700 instrumentation and then something 2084 01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:22,120 strange happened this time a second UFO 2085 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,340 appeared out of the first one now 2086 01:32:24,340 --> 01:32:26,350 instead of flying around or staying 2087 01:32:26,350 --> 01:32:28,810 stationary this second UFO darted 2088 01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:31,480 straight forward towards the f4 phantom 2089 01:32:31,480 --> 01:32:34,660 jet now for any military pilots that are 2090 01:32:34,660 --> 01:32:36,400 listening if you see something come off 2091 01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,830 of a aircraft that you're approaching 2092 01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:41,469 and engaging and it comes at you chances 2093 01:32:41,469 --> 01:32:42,969 are that's some kind of offensive 2094 01:32:42,969 --> 01:32:45,910 maneuver or a missile of some kind so 2095 01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:49,090 the pilot is pretty much nervous at this 2096 01:32:49,090 --> 01:32:52,120 point and he arms his aim for missiles 2097 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,489 to fire back he goes to fire three two 2098 01:32:56,489 --> 01:32:59,830 one pushes the button everything shuts 2099 01:32:59,830 --> 01:33:02,650 down all communication instrumentation 2100 01:33:02,650 --> 01:33:04,840 he has no control of his aircraft or 2101 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,239 those missiles that he just armed so now 2102 01:33:07,239 --> 01:33:09,310 he's a sitting duck he sees this 2103 01:33:09,310 --> 01:33:12,340 incoming object thinking that it's a 2104 01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:15,130 missile but before impact according to 2105 01:33:15,130 --> 01:33:18,940 the document it drops down loops around 2106 01:33:18,940 --> 01:33:22,480 his aircraft then Jets back to the 2107 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:26,410 original UFO for a perfect rejoin the 2108 01:33:26,410 --> 01:33:28,450 pilot even says that he thought it was 2109 01:33:28,450 --> 01:33:29,739 going so fast there was going to be a 2110 01:33:29,739 --> 01:33:32,170 collision but there was not this object 2111 01:33:32,170 --> 01:33:34,120 was able to perfectly rejoin to that 2112 01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:38,739 first UFO seconds later a third UFO was 2113 01:33:38,739 --> 01:33:41,500 seen this one comes out of the side of 2114 01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:45,190 the first UFO now this one instead of 2115 01:33:45,190 --> 01:33:47,590 jetting straight towards that pilot it 2116 01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:50,590 goes straight down also at a great rate 2117 01:33:50,590 --> 01:33:53,200 of speed and right before impact on the 2118 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,110 ground it cast a light about a third of 2119 01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:58,630 a kilometer in diameter according to 2120 01:33:58,630 --> 01:34:01,120 this document now this is the strange 2121 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,750 part what happens next and I'm not sure 2122 01:34:04,750 --> 01:34:07,120 the document seemingly just kind of 2123 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,219 jumps over the most important part kind 2124 01:34:09,219 --> 01:34:11,290 of the the pinnacle of this story where 2125 01:34:11,290 --> 01:34:14,890 this UFO what lands on the ground does 2126 01:34:14,890 --> 01:34:16,570 it blow something up to a 2127 01:34:16,570 --> 01:34:19,060 and bodies come out we don't really know 2128 01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:20,980 and that's the frustrating part because 2129 01:34:20,980 --> 01:34:24,369 this document then kind of skips towards 2130 01:34:24,369 --> 01:34:27,099 the fact that the pilot eventually 2131 01:34:27,099 --> 01:34:29,650 regained control communications turned 2132 01:34:29,650 --> 01:34:33,060 around returned to base saw a fourth UFO 2133 01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,409 his senses instrumentation was not 2134 01:34:35,409 --> 01:34:37,599 working correctly he had to go way out 2135 01:34:37,599 --> 01:34:39,250 into the desert turn around for a long 2136 01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:41,139 approach that way he didn't crash it was 2137 01:34:41,139 --> 01:34:44,500 night time and saw a fourth UFO while 2138 01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:47,130 doing that he said described it as a 2139 01:34:47,130 --> 01:34:53,079 cigar shaped UFO the original craft the 2140 01:34:53,079 --> 01:34:56,349 one I wish I didn't have this term it's 2141 01:34:56,349 --> 01:34:57,790 the only one that makes sense though but 2142 01:34:57,790 --> 01:35:00,369 like the mothership of the original UFO 2143 01:35:00,369 --> 01:35:03,070 he described it as a parent the apparent 2144 01:35:03,070 --> 01:35:05,920 size of one third the size of the moon 2145 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,719 so that was the description that he gave 2146 01:35:07,719 --> 01:35:10,810 the apparent us one third the apparent 2147 01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:13,630 size of the moon is the exact quote so 2148 01:35:13,630 --> 01:35:15,130 as you look at a full moon in the sky 2149 01:35:15,130 --> 01:35:17,770 one third of that full moon at 25 2150 01:35:17,770 --> 01:35:19,889 nautical miles that is approximately 2151 01:35:19,889 --> 01:35:23,469 what size this object was so fairly 2152 01:35:23,469 --> 01:35:26,469 sizable by by a vision by by his 2153 01:35:26,469 --> 01:35:29,530 eyeballs and so that's um that's what he 2154 01:35:29,530 --> 01:35:32,290 saw now the report then goes on after he 2155 01:35:32,290 --> 01:35:35,230 lands back at base they go out the next 2156 01:35:35,230 --> 01:35:37,119 morning to where this craft allegedly 2157 01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:40,139 had landed or hovered above the ground 2158 01:35:40,139 --> 01:35:42,489 didn't see anything on the ground but 2159 01:35:42,489 --> 01:35:45,250 they saw a small shack or house nearby 2160 01:35:45,250 --> 01:35:47,469 they landed in their helicopter 2161 01:35:47,469 --> 01:35:49,630 questioned the residence asked them 2162 01:35:49,630 --> 01:35:51,489 specifically did you guys see or hear 2163 01:35:51,489 --> 01:35:53,860 anything last night they did recount 2164 01:35:53,860 --> 01:35:55,630 seeing a lot of bright flashing lights 2165 01:35:55,630 --> 01:35:57,159 through the windows but they didn't dare 2166 01:35:57,159 --> 01:35:59,349 look outside they also heard some loud 2167 01:35:59,349 --> 01:36:03,099 crashing like noises but again they did 2168 01:36:03,099 --> 01:36:05,560 not want to go outside of their home to 2169 01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:08,050 take a look at what's going on the 2170 01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:09,969 report ends with the fact that they 2171 01:36:09,969 --> 01:36:13,020 collected soil samples for radiation and 2172 01:36:13,020 --> 01:36:15,940 that the results when available would be 2173 01:36:15,940 --> 01:36:19,619 forwarded over that's a pretty amazing 2174 01:36:19,619 --> 01:36:21,969 four-page document there's even more 2175 01:36:21,969 --> 01:36:24,610 details I invite you to check out the 2176 01:36:24,610 --> 01:36:28,420 show notes with links to this document 2177 01:36:28,420 --> 01:36:30,360 read it yourself it's only for 2178 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,100 pages but one of the most fascinating 2179 01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:35,219 things for me when I first received it I 2180 01:36:35,219 --> 01:36:38,610 didn't realize how important this aspect 2181 01:36:38,610 --> 01:36:40,940 was but one of the most fascinating 2182 01:36:40,940 --> 01:36:42,989 characteristics to it is the fact that 2183 01:36:42,989 --> 01:36:46,199 you can read it there are no redactions 2184 01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:50,460 and it is considered unclassified now 2185 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,250 really stop and think about that fact 2186 01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:56,040 and the reason is is because the fact 2187 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:57,750 that you can read it and it's not 2188 01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:00,690 redacted in the coming episodes and 2189 01:37:00,690 --> 01:37:02,520 jumped the gun on me don't wait for me 2190 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,590 to tell you about them go to the archive 2191 01:37:04,590 --> 01:37:07,409 on the black vault comm go to the UFO 2192 01:37:07,409 --> 01:37:10,440 section and look at how many UFO related 2193 01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:13,350 documents are considered top-secret to 2194 01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:16,469 this day blacked out or in the NSA's 2195 01:37:16,469 --> 01:37:19,199 case whited out and they will not tell 2196 01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:21,540 you what the contents are of those 2197 01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,449 documents now when you can read this one 2198 01:37:24,449 --> 01:37:26,969 this four-page document that's not 2199 01:37:26,969 --> 01:37:30,000 redacted not classified considered 2200 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,980 unclassified in the intelligence world 2201 01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:36,360 if you can read it what the heck is in 2202 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,850 those other top-secret documents that we 2203 01:37:38,850 --> 01:37:39,800 can't 2204 01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,090 the last thing I'll point out about this 2205 01:37:42,090 --> 01:37:46,110 incident is this was 1976 this was seven 2206 01:37:46,110 --> 01:37:48,929 years after the United States Air Force 2207 01:37:48,929 --> 01:37:50,670 closed their official investigation 2208 01:37:50,670 --> 01:37:52,800 known as Project Blue Book now the 2209 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,780 reason why that's important is that once 2210 01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:56,820 Project Blue Book closed the United 2211 01:37:56,820 --> 01:37:58,500 States military and the United States 2212 01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:00,690 government alike claimed that they had 2213 01:38:00,690 --> 01:38:03,929 zero interest in the UFO phenomena and 2214 01:38:03,929 --> 01:38:07,590 on on that note they claimed that the 2215 01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:10,409 UFO phenomena in their investigations of 2216 01:38:10,409 --> 01:38:14,580 more than 12,000 600 sightings never saw 2217 01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:17,310 evidence that a UFO case was a threat to 2218 01:38:17,310 --> 01:38:19,889 national security now I can tell you 2219 01:38:19,889 --> 01:38:22,409 there are quite a few examples of that 2220 01:38:22,409 --> 01:38:24,540 very thing in the project Bluebook files 2221 01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:27,510 but that's for another episode with this 2222 01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:30,000 particular document this proved beyond 2223 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,580 any shadow of a doubt that the United 2224 01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,170 States military the United States 2225 01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:36,480 government should be investigating this 2226 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:40,920 it was a threat to national security we 2227 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,260 don't even have this technology today 2228 01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:46,890 for craft to strategically shut down 2229 01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:48,690 communication and controls of another 2230 01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,900 aircraft and then give it back when it's 2231 01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:54,870 no longer a threat that is amazing 2232 01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:58,640 technology in 1976 let alone here in 2233 01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:02,790 2018 so what exactly was this object I 2234 01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:04,980 know we have drones flying around and 2235 01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:06,780 I'm sure a lot of them can handle other 2236 01:39:06,780 --> 01:39:08,970 aircraft and drones and you know they 2237 01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:10,860 can fly in the sky and piggyback on each 2238 01:39:10,860 --> 01:39:11,910 other and that's fine 2239 01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:15,030 but this was 1976 how many descriptions 2240 01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:17,790 of mother ship type aircraft I'm sorry 2241 01:39:17,790 --> 01:39:20,280 to be a little sci-fi with the lingo 2242 01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,560 there but how many mother ship type 2243 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:26,820 scenarios do you have in 1976 where 2244 01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:30,030 multiple crafts are fitting inside of a 2245 01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:33,989 bigger one that is why this document 2246 01:39:33,989 --> 01:39:36,450 deserves to be the first document that I 2247 01:39:36,450 --> 01:39:39,420 profile here on tbv unredacted because 2248 01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:42,450 it is the first document I ever got it 2249 01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:45,570 is an absolutely fascinating story but 2250 01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:47,880 more than anything else this document 2251 01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,610 serves as really the reason why I got 2252 01:39:50,610 --> 01:39:53,100 hooked on this topic and Here I am more 2253 01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:56,460 than 21 years later talking about this 2254 01:39:56,460 --> 01:39:58,680 document still because it is that's 2255 01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,410 important to me but talking to you on 2256 01:40:01,410 --> 01:40:03,480 the air about it and I hope you do take 2257 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,489 a couple minutes and read it because the 2258 01:40:05,489 --> 01:40:08,130 implications behind this are absolutely 2259 01:40:08,130 --> 01:40:12,150 staggering with that being said thank 2260 01:40:12,150 --> 01:40:13,950 you so much for listening to the first 2261 01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:17,370 and premier episode of the black vault 2262 01:40:17,370 --> 01:40:20,220 radio I'm your host John Greenwald jr. 2263 01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:22,710 and there are many more episodes to come 2264 01:40:22,710 --> 01:40:25,500 I don't have a set date they will be 2265 01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:27,680 dropped onto the channel at random times 2266 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,120 including new features to come along 2267 01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,489 this includes new segments with more 2268 01:40:32,489 --> 01:40:34,260 information and more data that you can 2269 01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:36,239 use in your journey as you try and 2270 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,190 uncover the truth there's gonna be 2271 01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:39,810 segments where I'm gonna be asking you 2272 01:40:39,810 --> 01:40:41,460 guys for questions we'll play them live 2273 01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:43,770 on the air for the guests to answer and 2274 01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:45,960 on top of that there's even a thing 2275 01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,210 called the vault cam coming your way 2276 01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:50,790 what is that you're just gonna have to 2277 01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:52,320 stay tuned so thank you all for 2278 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,180 listening and we will see you next time 2279 01:40:54,180 --> 01:40:56,430 right here on the black 2280 01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:58,820 radio 2281 01:41:00,940 --> 01:41:04,050 [Music] 2282 01:41:11,140 --> 00:00:00,000 [Music]