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magonia17
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I have been trying for over 2 years now to obtain track information from NORAD via USNORTHCOM who contacts NORAD PA (Public Affairs)

The link here shows that NORAD PA only releases information on known tracks detected by NORAD systems and live feeds (unfiltered) provided by the FAA (federal aviation administration). The NEN system is exempted from the US FOIA, and any Unknown Tracks are classified SECRET and not releasable.

It is interesting that any unknown object detected and remains unknown is a national security matter, it was the same before 9/11, so that isn't the reason.

The FOUO document here is discussing my FOIA (US) requests for various types of data on TOI (tracks of interest) which are deemed tracks which have national security implications, and unknown tracks, as you can see it is mainly censored.

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Great work on all of this.

In case you are not aware, there was a Congressional hearing on the FOIA, and the issues by many frequent requesters. What you just experienced with the blacking out of your information, and the use of exemption (b)(5) was a big topic at the hearing.

In short, my friend Jason Leopold who testified to Congress was one of the most vocal on the fact that (b)(5), or better known as "deliberative process" is largely overused. In short, if an agency feels they are making a decision on something, it's all automatically redacted.

They also call it the “Withhold It Because You Want To” Exemption.

The National Security Archive did a big write up on this in 2014, and it has plagued many of us requesters. Expect that again, if you continue your FOIA journey 🙂

Here is some background: https://nsarchive.wordpress.co.....exemption/

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John Greenewald said
Great work on all of this.
In case you are not aware, there was a Congressional hearing on the FOIA, and the issues by many frequent requesters. What you just experienced with the blacking out of your information, and the use of exemption (b)(5) was a big topic at the hearing.
In short, my friend Jason Leopold who testified to Congress was one of the most vocal on the fact that (b)(5), or better known as "deliberative process" is largely overused. In short, if an agency feels they are making a decision on something, it's all automatically redacted.
They also call it the “Withhold It Because You Want To” Exemption.
The National Security Archive did a big write up on this in 2014, and it has plagued many of us requesters. Expect that again, if you continue your FOIA journey 🙂
Here is some background: https://nsarchive.wordpress.co.....exemption/

Releasing the material would help us understand why the decision was made and whether it was justified it would certainly help form an appeal better if we knew what the format of the decision making was and what were the arguments and opinions and ideas that were discussed.  

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Agreed. Unfortunately, they consider that deliberation all exempt. 

The point of the Congressional hearings is to change the misuse of that exemption, but until then, it's their rules and their playground. 

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John Greenewald said
Agreed. Unfortunately, they consider that deliberation all exempt. 

The point of the Congressional hearings is to change the misuse of that exemption, but until then, it's their rules and their playground. 

Well yes, I have recently received records created during the processing of my FOIA request from the FBI it is almost completely censored, it gives no understanding on the processes of the FOIA or whether their determinations are justified.

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