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May 15, 2020
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Who worked on this/these things?
Lets say that the US military somehow got hold of an alien space ship with a propulsion system way beyond anything we can image with our understanding of physics. Who would you hire to investigate this technology?
I would hire the best scientists in the world. Nobel prize winners in physics, chemistry and what not. Instead US government hired some unknown engineers with questionable background?

That is completely logical and explainable. Bob Lazar asks that question himself in the following video at 3:50...

Bob Lazar convinced disks were alien, calls UFO secret 'unfair outright' -- Part 6
Nov 8, 2019
8 News NOW Las Vegas

...where he thought it was strange and unfair that S4 wasn't allowing the more general scientific community work on it, since they were more qualified and would have made better progress. To me the answer is simple: such investigations are being done by a shadow government, not the real government. One S4 researcher who was reverse engineering an antigravity device died in a huge underground explosion at S4, for example, when he insisted on prying the antigravity sphere open while it was in operation. If famous competent scientists started dying and blowing the whistle on what they were working on, the world would pay a lot more attention than it would to relative nobodies in the desert.

Yes, this is "conspiracy theory" stuff, which is what I keep insinuating or stating outright: everything is tied together. You won't be able to understand what's going on in science, especially in controversial areas like UFOs, without understanding the political climate that really exists on this planet, and according to some people you can't understand the political agenda unless you believe in aliens or Christianity. The three SOIs, {religion, politics, science}, are highly integrated in extreme topics such as these. Just as in science experiments or software testing, it is in such extreme topics/cases where the truth really emerges, but to see it you have to accept some very disturbing facts that seem unreal at first listen. One reason 95% of people don't see it is that they don't deal with anything, and are not interested in anything, that is too extreme. To such people, anything too extreme cannot be real, which is an example of what I call pseudo-logic.

(p. 78)
My name is Cathleen (Cathy) Ann O'Brien, born 12/4/57 in Muskegon,
Michigan. I have prepared this book for your review and edification
concerning a little known tool that "our" United States government is covertly,
illegally, and unconstitutionally using to implement the New World Order (one
world government). This well documented tool is a sophisticated and advanced
form of behavior modification (brainwashing) most commonly known as
MIND-CONTROL. My first hand knowledge of this TOP SECRET U.S.
Government Psychological Warfare technique is drawn from my personal
experience as a White House "Presidential Model" mind-control slave.

(p. 78)
It is my patriotic respect for the principals of truth, justice, and ultimately
that freedom on which America was founded that compels me to expose the
world domination motivations of those in control of our government,
commonly referred to as the Shadow Government. By taking back America
NOW, we can maintain the integrity of our country's history and future by
detouring its destined course of being recognized world wide for the mind
control atrocities unleashed on humanity that literally began where Adolph
Hitler left off. Hitler's version of world domination that he termed in 1939 the
"New World Order" is currently being implemented through advanced
technologies in, among others, genetic mind control engineering by those in
control of America.
Senator Daniel Inouye, (D. HI) commented about the operations of this
secret government before a Senate Subcommittee well when he described it as
"...a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fund
raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of 'national interest',
free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself."

(p. 79)
Violation of laws and rights, Psychological Warfare intimidation tactics,
threats to our lives, and various other forms of CIA Damage Containment
practices thus far have remained unhindered and unchecked due to the National
Security Act of 1947 AND the 1986 Reagan Amendment to same which allows
those in control of our government to censor and/or cover up anything they
choose.

(p. 119)
Byrd also "justified" my victimization by saying, "You lost your mind
anyway, and at least you have destiny and purpose now that it's mine." Our
country's involvement in drug distribution, pornography, and white slavery was
"justified" as a means of "gaining control of all illegal activities world wide" to
fund Black Budget covert activity that would "bring about world peace through
world dominance and total control." He adhered to the belief that "95% of the
[world's] people WANT to be led by the 5%," and claimed this can be proven
because "the 95% DO NOT WANT TO KNOW what really goes on in
government." Byrd believed that in order for this world to survive, mankind
must take a "giant step in evolution through creating a superior race." To
create this "superior race," Byrd believed in the Nazi and KKK principles of
"annihilation of underprivileged races and cultures" through genocide, to alter
genetics and breed "the more gifted -- the blondes of this world."

(p. 119)
My CIA Operative mind control handler Alex Houson was often
scheduled to perform at the Swiss Villa Amphitheatre in Lampe, Missouri,
which is yet another installation where I was programmed. Swiss Villa was a
cover for a CIA Near Death Trauma Center of which there are several across
the country. It is a remote, high security resort, enclosed with military barbed
wire fences, that swings its guarded gate open to the local public for country
music concerts. The small Amphitheatre covers the covert activities occurring
inside, which includes U.S. Government CIA cocaine and heroin distribution
operations and mind control projects.
Swiss Villa, like the Mount Shasta, California compound, was also used as
a training and operations camp for the Shadow Government's paramilitary
projects referred to by Senator Inouye (D. HI). I learned that this not-so-secret
military buildup, sanctioned by corrupt members of our government, consisted
of special forces trained robotic soldiers, numerous black unmarked
helicopters, and the highest technological advancements in TOP SECRET
weaponry and "Star Wars" electromagnetic mind control equipment. These
paramilitary compounds were intended for global policing of the New World
Order through the Multi-Jurisdictional Police Force.

O'Brien, Cathy. 1995. Trance Formation of America. Reality Marketing.

Note the mention that the Shadow Government has its own Air Force and its own funding mechanisms that are independent of the regular government (which is done mostly through covert drug trafficking, which brings in huge income and would not be sanctioned by the regular government). It obviously has its own science labs, too.

I've never had any reason to believe Bob Lazar was lying, and I have consistently trusted him, unlike Emery Smith and a few supposed whistleblowers whose stories are not consistent with everything else, or who cannot answer any question immediately with deep insight and detail.

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Who worked on this/these things?

That is completely logical and explainable.

  

Is it? During the second world war US developed the nuclear bomb. Who was working with that? Top scientist in the world, like Einstein.

Why is this any different?

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Yes, this is "conspiracy theory" stuff...  

Yeah right...

Not only do I have to believe Bob Lazar, but I also have to believe a load of other crazy ideas. All without any kind of proof, but just because you say soo.

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Is it? During the second world war US developed the nuclear bomb. Who was working with that? Top scientist in the world, like Einstein.

Why is this any different?

Despite your hostile tone, I decided to answer your question directly.

First, consider this time line of events starting around the end of World War II...

Franklin Roosevelt, 1933-1945

World War II, 1939-1945

Manhattan Project, 1939-1942-1946
Harry S. Truman, 1945-1953, involved with aliens, created the deep state, and worried about it
Operation Paperclip, 1945-1959, Nazis brought to the U.S. from Germany and put in high positions of power

CIA created by Roosevelt, 1947
Dwight Eisenhower, 1953-1961, warned the public about the deep state, involved with aliens, lost control of CIA

NASA created, 1958
John F. Kennedy, 1961-1963, warned the public about the deep state, was assassinated by LBJ
Lyndon Johnson, 1963-1969, assassinated Kennedy, aligned with deep state

Richard Nixon, 1969-1974, he and all subsequent presidents were aligned with the deep state

The government-funded Manhattan Project to build an atomic bomb was done for WW2, and the war ended in 1945. By that time WW2, Truman was president, and had to deal with the secret import of Nazi scientists into the USA starting in 1945. He did this because it had come to light that the Nazis had been working on an antigravity craft called Die Glocke, and the Americans wanted the Nazis to continue working on this project secretly for the benefit of America. Truman dictated that an elite group called MJ-12 was to handle ET issues and report directly to him. However, MJ-12 never reported to him, then Eisenhower became president in 1953. Eisenhower summoned the MJ-12, but they told Eisenhower he didn't have any jurisdiction over them, which was basically telling Eisenhower to go to hell. Eisenhower was a former general, didn't take this lightly, and threatened to send in the First Army to seize those records in Area 51 by force if they didn't report to him. Area 51 relented and turned over the records. Eisenhower then made a treaty with the Grays (aliens) whereby the USA would get extremely advanced alien technology in exchange for a certain number of "heads of cattle" for experimentation purposes, meaning human beings who were covertly abducted.

However, Eisenhower lost control of the CIA, which merged with the existing deep state, so the public never benefited from that technology transfer or even heard about it. Eisenhower and the next president, Kennedy, were deeply concerned about the now out-of-control deep state and they both warned the public about the deep state in public speeches. Kennedy was assassinated just weeks after his speech that warned against the deep state / secret societies. That assassination was a major turning point of American history, on a par with 9/11, in that the deep state was then permanently in firm control of the country and was willing to operate in the open with via a presidential assassination, whereas in earlier years it had operated with great subtlety. The assassination was arranged by LBJ via the deep state. The deep state's goal was world control and creation of a breakaway society that was so far advanced above the common man that human beings would be regarded as mere animals in comparison, therefore it was unwilling to give away technology that would allow it to reach that goal, and used draconian methods to suppress anyone who even suggested that such technology existed.

So you ask what the difference is. The difference is that before 1960 the USA was still a country in control of itself, and it needed to overtly fund major research projects through Congress, whereas after 1960 the USA was under control of the deep state, whose income and power was so vast that it didn't need money from Congress or approval of anything it did, and since it was in its own best interests to suppress advanced knowledge and technology to reach its goal of becoming a breakaway civilization in control of the planet, it went ahead and did that. I know this all sounds like a fairy tale, but below are some great videos and references, in my opinion, that connect all these topics and support these claims...

During the last months of the second world war, German scientists worked long hours in an attempt to produce ‘Kriz-en-scheiden’,
which was thought to be the war-winning technology that would produce a stunning, knockout blow.

Deep in the Wenceslas Mines near Ludwikowice in Poland, Nazi SS scientists reportedly worked on an anti-gravity machine called the ‘Bell’ - a glowing, rotating contraption that looked like a flying saucer and was used in conjunction with an above ground structure known as the ‘Henge’. The Bell was described as a saucer shaped device made from a hard, heavy metal that was filled with a substance similar to mercury and required enormous amounts of electrical power for testing. People who worked on the project were said to have suffered from sleep problems and severe vertigo.

https://www.atomictv.com/the%2.....henge.html (accessed May 16, 2020)

 

As for Lyndon Johnson, he later came to have deep regrets about his decision to “give them their damn war.” The unpopularity of the war, which split American society in two much in the way that Trump’s election has, cost Johnson his reputation. He is reported to have said, in the White House, as anti-war protesters outside shouted, “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today,” “Don’t they know that I’m with them?” But they didn’t know because, however much he may have been with them in spirit, in deed he had allied himself with the Deep State and the military-industrial complex that President Eisenhower had warned against. In 1968, Johnson declined to run for re-election, certain that he would have lost. He lived the rest of his life as a recluse on his Texas ranch, growing his hair long like the hippies who protested against him. He died only five years later, in 1973, a broken and forlorn man.

https://freepress.org/article/.....deep-state

 

Working with his allies in Texas oil, mafia elements, and pro-war deep state assets, LBJ orchestrated the assassination of JFK. As documented in Stone’s New York Times bestselling book, LBJ was an amoral psychopath and murderer who had a long history of using violence to achieve his political and personal goals.

https://stonecoldtruth.com/jfk.....eep-state/

 

Below, I am posting two items Harry S. Truman wrote around the age of 80. One is an op-ed from 1963; the other is a letter to Look magazine in 1964. Both reflect his alarm over the extra-Constitutional powers the CIA had already acquired, perverting the agency's mission as Truman says he saw it at the time he authorized its creation in 1947. The simplicity of the agency's purpose, as Truman conceived of it, will probably seem shocking to readers today long used to the CIA, among an ever-growing constellation of intelligence agencies, running amok on behalf of the American Way, or so we are told.

http://dianawest.net/Home/tabi.....ament.aspx

 

(p. 12)
Professor
Quigley discloses:

"I know of the operations of this network because
I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted
for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its
papers and secret records. I HAVE NO AVERSION
TO IT OR TO MOST OF ITS AIMS AND HAVE,
FOR MUCH OF MY LIFE, BEEN CLOSE TO IT
AND TO MANY OF ITS INSTRUMENTS. I have
objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its
policies . . . but in general my chief difference of
opinion is that IT WISHES TO REMAIN UN-
KNOWN, and I believe its role in history is signifi-
cant enough to be known." (Emphasis added.)

(p. 131)
The issue, very simply, is the enslavement of you and
your children. Just because many of these Insiders are
theoretically Americans, don't think they will spare this
country the terror they have brought to thirty others
through their hired Communist thugs. To the Insiders,
the world is their country and their only loyalty is to
themselves and their fellow conspirators. Being an Ameri-
can means no more to them than being an honorary
citizen of Bali would mean to you. It has not bothered
their consciences one iota that millions of your fellow
human beings have been murdered, including 50,000 of
your own sons in Vietnam. In order to solidify their
power in the United States they will need to do here
the same thing they have done in other countries. They
will establish and maintain their dictatorship through stark
terror. The terror does not end with the complete take-
over of the Republic. Rather, then terror just begins . . .
for total, all encompassing terror is an absolute necessity
to keep a dictatorship in power. And terror does not
mean merely punishing the enemies of the New Order.
Terror requires the murdering and imprisoning of people
at random . . . even many of those who helped them
come to power.

Allen, Gary. 1971. None Dare Call It Conspiracy. Seal Beach, California: Concord Press.

 

Deathbed Testimony About UFOs Given By Former CIA Official
May 5, 2013
NoLongeraTheory

The Deep State is real.
Mar 28, 2020
MR Scatman

 

[0:54:00]
[Steven Greer:]
Exactly. You know, everyone wonders why this conservative Republican president, named a five
star general, Eisenhower, said on his last speech to the nation, as he left office: "Beware the
military industrial complex." He wasn't talkin' about his bretheren in the military rank and
file--
[Alex Jones:]
No, he said a technological elite and control of it.
[Steven Greer:]
Correct. And that's what we're tal-- And see, people don't realize that Eisenhower, on his
watch, lost control of the technology transfer issue around ET, spacecraft. They circled the
wagons and cut him out 'cause he was wanting to do what you and I are talking about--

VIDEO 60)- ALEX JONES interviews Dr STEVEN GREER who Confirms Globalist Antihuman Coup!!!!
May 13, 2020
UNDERSTANDING THE LIES
(accessed May 22, 2020)

 

[0:13:09]
The shadow government is so all pervasive that--and so inclusive in power--as recognized by
insiders.
[0:13:26]
And when Sarah McClendon, a veteran White House reporter, asked President Clinton why he didn't
make public more of the information concerning UFOs and the ET presence and technology, his reply
was "Sarah, there is a government within the government, and I don't control it."
Imagine: the President of the United States, the most powerful country in the world, presumably
the most powerful man in the world, the man with his finger on the atomic button, and he is not
aware of what many troops under his command are doing because he isn't cleared to know.

Paul Hellyer Canada Tour 2016 Vancouver
Nov 9, 2016
Frank darier baziere
(accessed May 23, 2020)

 

[25:55]
[David Adair:]
And NASA, when it got started in 1958, that thing was an extension of the CIA. So it's been in
that elitist status ever since day one, and I have personally dealt with that stuff, and it's a
nasty bunch of people. And they don't give a hoot about us, at all.

Did Expert David Adair Say Too Much When An Interviewer Asked About Our Moon?... SHOCKING!
May 16, 2020
Zohar StarGate TV
(accessed May 22, 2020)

 

In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral issues"
were raised, in view of the law of natural selection [1] it was agreed that a nation or world
of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have
intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and
consent.

Factor VI - Cattle
Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have
no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son,
and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf

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Jorgen said

Is it? During the second world war US developed the nuclear bomb. Who was working with that? Top scientist in the world, like Einstein.

Why is this any different?

Despite your hostile tone, I decided to answer your question directly.  

I didn't mean to sound hostile, I apologize for that, but I just don't share you belief system.

You can pile all youtube clips in the world, the only thing I see is a group of people, rather large group, referencing and citing each other and repeating the same story over and over.

But just because it is repeated many times, doesn't make it true.

And just like any belief system, once you get into it, it all starts to make sense. But even that does not make it true.

 

Now I realize you could say the same about my belief system. So in the end it boils down to evidence evaluation.

And here is my main concern. When it comes to extraordinary claims, like claim of a big conspiracy, whether it be from flat earthers, chemtrail or UFO believers. There is no way I can verify these claims for myself.

On the other hand, when it comes to claims about, let say mainstream science. There is, at least in theory, experiments I can perform myself to verify the claim. Or if I don't have the resource needed to actually do the experiments. I can read a scientific paper about how it was done, a paper that I know has been peer reviewed by others who can actually repeat it. And people that will try to find errors in it.

In my view this makes the whole difference when it comes to the credibility of the evidence.

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You can pile all youtube clips in the world, the only thing I see is a group of people, rather large group, referencing and citing each other and repeating the same story over and over.

...

And here is my main concern. When it comes to extraordinary claims, like claim of a big conspiracy, whether it be from flat earthers, chemtrail or UFO believers. There is no way I can verify these claims for myself.

On the other hand, when it comes to claims about, let say mainstream science. There is, at least in theory, experiments I can perform myself to verify the claim. Or if I don't have the resource needed to actually do the experiments. I can read a scientific paper about how it was done, a paper that I know has been peer reviewed by others who can actually repeat it. And people that will try to find errors in it.

In my view this makes the whole difference when it comes to the credibility of the evidence.

  

I'll hit a few of these points briefly...

(1) I agree that the number of people who claim that something is true is logically irrelevant. However, this truism is offset by a few things. For one thing, if you're up against a very good liar with much influence and power, it's going to be hard to prove anything since the evidence will be altered/destroyed, objectors will be silenced or eliminated, people bought off, distractions or delays created, and so on. Therefore you may be forced to rely on hearsay. For another thing, if whistleblowers come from different backgrounds and their stories are agreeing on the points where they overlap, it's likely they're telling the truth.

One story that stuck with me at a young age was how the German public had no idea of the atrocities that were being done by the Nazis during WW2. Occasionally someone would tell a story of unbelievable cruelty that happened to some captured Jew, but that witness would just be disbelieved because "Our government wouldn't do *that*!" Occasionally some indirect evidence would surface, like a person assigned the task of smelting gold would receive a shipment of thousands of human teeth filled with gold (that scene in "Schindler's List" came from a real life incident), but they would either not think about where all those teeth came from, or were ordered to keep quiet about anything they saw. The moral: The first evidence that something big is going on is often hearsay, and often comes with little or no proof. If the implication is very important or very horrendous, then it is very wise to at least remember the claim, consider it, and watch to see if it is corroborated later in any way.

“In war, the first casualty is truth.”
― Aeschylus, Agamemnon

https://www.goodreads.com/quot.....y-is-truth

(2) The opposite of someone posting a lot of references and original text is a troll who is in a forum only to stir up trouble, which means they will supply no references at all, and will not read/view/consider any references at all, because they don't really care what the truth is, because their only goal is to cause the most amount of problems with the least amount of effort. It is wise to avoid looking like a troll. The rules of these forums even mention the importance of supplying references. I'm just trying to obey the rules.

(3) That video reference of the anonymous whistleblower from the CIA on his "deathbed" telling what he knew about aliens is hard to discredit, especially since documents about MJ-12 later surfaced, and the details he gave about which floor of which building hosted an important meeting can be partially confirmed. That is a key witness, in my opinion, even if he didn't have any documents to show and even if he didn't want to disclose his identity. I believe that video fills in an important piece of that puzzle that connects government with aliens and conspiracy.

(4) Some whistleblowers *have* had physical evidence of alien materials, especially Phil Schneider. He ended up dead within a year, though, and all his evidence was stolen that day he was strangled. Similarly, Nikola Tesla's patents and paperwork disappeared immediately when he died. The Men in Black are always the first on the scene and always demand that all evidence be turned over to them in UFO cases. On any big event, in fact, especially JFK's assassination and 9/11, government agents *demand* that anybody with footage or evidence hand over that evidence immediately or face arrest. The fact that government uses this heavy-handed tactic routinely in certain situations should raise suspicions of government cover-up immediately, and the lack of solid evidence is rather forgivable under such an evidence-destroying government.

(5) A *lot* of background knowledge is usually needed to accept the Global Political Paradigm--the belief that the world is not controlled by partisan politics or by differences in ideologies between countries, but rather by the super rich versus everyone else. You need to know about things like the Federal Reserve, science and technology, history, politics (especially false flags and drug smuggling), the extent of corruption, the Hegelian Dialectic, secret societies (especially the CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Bohemian Grove, and Freemasons), undisclosed information regarding major sex scandals (especially The Franklin Cover-up, McMartin Preschool Trial, and JonBenet Ramsey), firearms, human sexuality, NASA / space missions, aliens/UFOs, and much more. Most of the general public does not have sufficient knowledge and experience to see the parallels and connections between these events, and they aren't even concerned enough to find out. This phenomenon is often described as "connecting the dots." This is one reason why younger people find it so difficult to accept the GPP as a model of how the world really works: they are extremely lacking in real-world experience, extremely lacking in such knowledge, and therefore cannot develop the wisdom and ability to see the big picture.

 

(p. 7)
CHAPTER ONE
DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS

Most of us have had the experience, either as parents or
youngsters, of trying to discover the "hidden picture"
within another picture in a children's magazine. Usually
you are shown a landscape with trees, bushes, flowers and
other bits of nature. The caption reads something like this:
"Concealed somewhere in this picture is a donkey pulling
a cart with a boy in it. Can you find them?" Try as you
might, usually you could not find the hidden picture until
you turned to a page farther back in the magazine which
would reveal how cleverly the artist had hidden it from
us. If we study the landscape we realize that the whole
picture was painted in such a way as to conceal the real
picture within, and once we see the "real picture," it
stands out like the proverbial painful digit.
We believe the picture painters of the mass media are
artfully creating landscapes for us which deliberately hide
the real picture. In this book we will show you how to
discover the "hidden picture" in the landscapes presented
to us daily through newspapers, radio and television. Once
you see through the camouflage, you will see the
donkey, the cart and the boy who have been there all along.
Millions of Americans are concerned and frustrated
over mishappenings in our nation. They feel that some-
thing is wrong, drastically wrong, but because of the pic-
ture painters they can't quite put their fingers on it.
Maybe you are one of those persons. Something is
bugging you, but you aren't sure what. We keep electing
new Presidents who seemingly promise faithfully to halt
the world-wide Communist advance, put the blocks to
extravagant government spending, douse the fires of in-
flation, put the economy on an even keel, reverse the
trend which is turning the country into a moral sewer,
and toss the criminals into the hoosegow where they be-
(p. 8)
long.

Allen, Gary. 1971. None Dare Call It Conspiracy. Seal Beach, California: Concord Press.

 

(6) I've read that the way to rebut a conspiracy theory is to take each point one by one. If you try to do this on certain topics like 9/11, however, you will be the one who ends up looking like a fool. For example, consider the Rebeka Roth document on the following site...

http://ge.tt/9bXY3933

That lady is just a retired flight attendant yet alone she came up with a list of 68 anomalies regarding the 9/11 attacks. If you were to go through every one of those 68 points with rebuttals like "Well, that was just a coincidence", "Well, they just happened to misplace those records", "Well, that was just incompetence", you'll end up repeating the same excuses so many times that mathematically the likelihood of all those excuses being true at the same time is virtually zero. It's just science: you have two competing hypotheses--the government claim and the unofficial claim--and the claim that wins will logically be the one that fits the most evidence with the least complexity and with the least contortion. The government hypothesis will fail miserably in that case.

So I believe you're largely on the right track already of finding out the truth. Just stay logical, scientific, and objective as you're doing now, and do *lots* of research on any topic that seems related. Now I understand why you're so interested in Marian Rudnyk: he's a low-level, possibly local guy whom you can contact directly, who has extensive photographic evidence of government improprieties and strange phenomena.

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Since we are way of topic here, I will just shortly comment on one of your points. If you want to continue the discussion please feel free to post another thread.

Disclaimer: I wasn't able to download the document so I haven't read it.

About Rebeka Roth; Of course I could go through the 68 anomalies, but my analysis would probably be just as bad as hers, because none of us has all the information needed. In any big event, like 9/11, with thousands of people involved or witnessing, you can always find anomalies. Just because people remember differently/incorrectly or they interpreted what they saw differently.

I think it was Carl Sagan that once said: "extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence". 68 anomalies isn't that extraordinary.

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