April 9, 2009
Sorry, posted in wrong forum, will move later!
Pretty much a no brainer these people, if they were a part of a religious mission would definatly know better. Hard to imagine they would not be able to find some command center, and be known to them what they are doing.
Trafficking probe key to Americans' fate in Haiti
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AP – An infant, who was part of the group of children that U.S. Baptists were trying to take out of Haiti, …
By PAISLEY DODDS and FRANK BAJAK, Associated Press Writers Paisley Dodds And Frank Bajak, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 11 mins ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Haitian officials said Monday they are thinking of sending 10 U.S. Baptists to the United States for prosecution after they were arrested trying to take 33 children out of the country without government permission.
Officials said they hoped to quickly resolve the case while also sending a strong message that child trafficking will not be tolerated.
Haiti's communications minister, Marie-Laurence Jocelin Lassegue, said Haitian and U.S. officials were discussing the idea of trying the Baptists in the United States because Haiti's court system was crippled in the devastating Jan. 12 earthquake, which destroyed the justice ministry building and killed many government officials.
Since their arrest Friday near the Dominican border, the church group has been held inside dingy concrete rooms in the same judicial police headquarters building where ministers give disaster response briefings. They have not yet been charged.
A lawyer representing them alleged Monday that they were being treated poorly and that one of them, a diabetic, fainted and was hospitalized. Attorney Jorge Puello, in the Dominican Republic, said they weren't being given adequate medical care and food.
While the U.S. Baptists said they were only trying to rescue abandoned children from the disaster zone, investigators were trying to determine how the Americans got the children, and whether any of the traffickers that have plagued the impoverished country were involved.
Aid workers who interviewed the children said some have surviving parents, and that some were desperate to be reunited with their families.
The Baptists' "Haitian Orphan Rescue Mission" was described as an effort to save abandoned, traumatized children. Their plan was to scoop up 100 kids and take them by bus to a 45-room hotel at Cabarete, a beach resort in the Dominican Republic. The 33 kids ranged in age from 2 months to 12 years.
They were stopped at the border for not having proper paperwork and taken back to Port-au-Prince, where the children were taken to a temporary children's home.
Foreigners adopting children from the developing world have grabbed headlines recently — Madonna tried to adopt a girl from Malawi amid criticism from locals, while Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have a burgeoning multicultural brood.
But in Haiti, a long tradition of foreign military intervention coupled with the earthquake that destroyed much of the capital and plunged it even deeper into poverty, have made this issue even more emotionally charged. Of 20 Haitian parents interviewed in a tent camp by the AP on Sunday, only one said she would not give up her children to give them a chance at a better life.
"Some parents I know have already given their children to foreigners," said Adonis Helman, 44. "I've been thinking how I will choose which one I may give."
"My parents died in the earthquake. My husband has gone. Giving up one of my kids would at least give them a chance," said Saintanne Petit-Frere, 40, a mother of six. "My only fear is that they would forget me, but that wouldn't affect my decision."
Haiti's overwhelmed government has halted all adoptions unless they were in motion before the earthquake amid fears that parentless or lost children are more vulnerable than ever to being seized and sold. Sex trafficking has been rampant in Haiti. Prime Minister Max Bellerive's personal authorization is now required for the departure of any child.
Without proper documents and concerted efforts to track down their parents, children could be forever separated from family members able and willing to care for them.
"For UNICEF, what is important is that for children separated from their parents, we do everything possible to have their families traced and to reunite them," said Kent Page, a spokesman for the group in Haiti. "They have to be protected from traffickers or people who wish to exploit these children."
The Idaho church group's spokeswoman, Laura Silsby, conceded that she had not obtained the proper Haitian documents, but told the AP from detention that the group was "just trying to do the right thing" amid the chaos.
The disaster inspired them to move more quickly than they had initially planned to start a shelter for 200 boys and girls in the Dominican Republic, where they hoped to build a school and chapel and work with U.S. adoption agencies to bring in Christian parents.
The children are now being cared for in an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said workers were searching for their families. "One (9-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, 'I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.
The arrested Americans include members of the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho, and the East Side Baptist Church in Twin Falls, Idaho. They are part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is America's largest Protestant denomination and has extensive humanitarian programs worldwide.
They are, scum sucking' child trafficking, pedophiles.
U.S. missionaries reject Haiti child-traffic charges
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What are we ment to believe, that because they are part of a church that they would never be involves in Child Abuse, Or trafficking of human slaves.
As if the Church would never be involved in such things.
USA is the number one destination in the world for child sex trafficking.
America is now the number one destination in the world for child sex trafficking, according to the State Department Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Sex trafficking of modern-day slaves is at an all-time high and larger U.S. cities are major markets for this illegal sex trade industry.
On Oct. 21 and 22, specialists from around the nation will convene in Tulsa to hold Oklahoma’s first Human Trafficking Awareness and Training Conference.
Law enforcement experts from the Federal Bureau of Investigations, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Marshals from Texas and the Department of Justice Prosecutors from Washington D.C. will be on hand conducting workshops and panel discussions.
Additionally, experienced psychiatrists, social workers and case workers will address treatment and care for victims of sex trafficking.
Recent findings from Law enforcement agencies, non-profit anti-trafficking organizations and Shared Hope International indicate that Houston is now the number one city for child sex trafficking, with Las Vegas and Atlanta ranking second and third.
According to FBI experts, traffickers are known to move their victims from state to state to avoid being detected.
“Our highway systems have become the new slave trade routes of these modern-day sex slaves,” said Mark Elam, of Oklahomans Against Trafficking Humans.
With Interstates 40 and 44 connecting the east and west coasts and I-35 connecting Mexico and Houston to northern cities, Oklahoma is right in the crossroads of this growing problem.
The conference, to be held at the Oral Roberts University Zoppelt Auditorium, will consist of a screening of “Call + Response,” a documentary created to expose the terrifying fact that there are more slaves today than ever before in human history.
The event will feature speakers like Theresa Flore, a victim who was sex trafficked while in high school, and sessions covering types of human trafficking in Oklahoma with FBI special agents discussing local problem areas.
Students seeking careers in social work and psychology can earn six hours of continuing education credits. The general public is also invited to attend so they can become aware of how traffickers are targeting American kids and grooming children online to become the next wave of victims.
April 9, 2009
April 9, 2009
"Lashmar" wrote: They're trafficking in my mind. There must be some sort of procedure in this, they must have to contact someone to let them know what they're doing.
Trafficking. Used for sex by well-heeled Neocons and soon rid of by using them in snuff films.
But maybe the traffickers are gormless religious nuts who believe the kids will get to live in nice homes and grow up as respectable citizens in their new countries. Such naivette should be a criminal offense.
I'd send those traffickers to downtown Port au Prince to lecture to the looters.
April 9, 2009
Come on: This is your opportunity to " CALL A SPADE A SPADE " If they are not traffickers, if they didn't know what they were doing, then riddle me why they told the older kids who were capable of swaying the younger kids STORIES and LIES about where they were headed?
Why the Promise of swimming pools? Typical PEDO want to pet my puppy bullshit!
You think they have a procedure for all of this, you think someone within Government usually gets notified.
Maybe I read about these things before I chime in, maybe I should just shoot from the hip!
Bring Em Home Cole
April 9, 2009
Haiti has charged 10 US missionaries with child abduction and criminal conspiracy for allegedly trying to smuggle 33 children out of the country.
Read between the lies
April 9, 2009
If they were legitimate people trying to do the right thing, they certainly got them into some real hot water. Every criminal has its cover, and theirs may be a legitimate cover of a religious mission. If we get caught we play the game of a religious mission from Idaho. They sure lacked on the legalities of what they were doing if so 100%. At best, they can claim total ignorance of the law, but you would have to be from another planet, to not know of the "Red Tape" the real legtimate adoptions have been stalled with.
Its been all over every network in the USA, many stroies in fact. Many adoptions ready to be completed just prior to the quake, were put into termoil, and unable to take the children out, even though their destinations were aready 90% completed. Who do these religious people think they are to just take a busload of kids, with stories their parents gave them away, and try taking them to a 3rd country, to get them out?
I'm always amazed at Americans that are stupied enough to goto other countries and pull something that gets them thrown in jail, their stupidity of understanding they are in another justice system from our own. There is an old saying in Southern California that goes "never get thrown in the Tijauna Jail". You might as well be in prison on Mars, because you are in their system, and have no sympathy for ameican prisoners. You goto a forgien country, you behave and don;t do things dumb enough to get in jail for.
This whole topic is one of the saddest things to me. I live in canada,and I think we're up there with the US in the destination.
I need to find out how i can help somehow, and I admire the men and woman who tackle this problem so much. They are my "saints"
I live in an apartment complex,and unfortuneatly my bedroon window is right by the front door,and since my computer is in my bedroom,I'm in here alot,and with the window open can hear everything clearly that is going on outside.
The other day I heard a young girl crying and screaming no..no..nooo as I heard footsteps coming up the stairs. A male voice speaking in some kind of slavic launguage started yelling ..and then I heard another voice which was that of a young boys..It turned into a lot of yelling by the man,so i popped my head to look out the window. The young boy was chasing the girl down the street he was maybe hmm 9..she was maybe 4. It seemed like the man had told him to go get her. The look on the boys face as he was carrying this little girl up the stairs who was sobbing in his arms seemed so sad. The man seemed very gruff, and he was holding a camcorder in his hand. I got such a weird feeling about it, but yet i know that these kind of things can be missconstrued.
A huge part of me wanted to quietly follow them up the stairs and see which apartment they went into ,and then listen to see what it meant...but I realized that wouldn't prove anything..
The whole scenerio doesn't prove anything as well and i just kept telling myself that i was probably wrong about being afraid for them. Was I?
How should the average citizen deal with something like this..I'm not sure.
I know it is wrong to assume, but yet at the same time, how many horrible crimes happen because people don't want to assume.
Any advice would be appreciated,cause i am the type that might just go out there and start asking questions,which I doubt would help.
Its the most helpless feeling not knowing what to do.
Hopefully it was some father just dealing with some behaviour problems.This little girl definately didn't want to even go up the stairs though.
April 9, 2009
If you think there is a problem, call the police, you can;t do anything that could help.
Thanks for the advice greeney...I might go down and talk to them about getting some advice on how to deal with situations like this.
The problem greeney is that we have had police that have allegedly been involved in satanic cults here...although they got off..and are part of this whole Paedophilia problem.
This whole problem is very much in the "upper echelons" of our city as well. Just from conversations I have had with people who are very well educated,I think the problem starts at the top and filters down.
Our university was very involved with all the research going on at Berkley University during timothy learys "acid experimenation" days....and anyone who has done research on the Mk ultra would understand what I mean by that.
I don't trust the upper crust of this city at all..though I'm sure their are many who are just good dedicated workers.
I could go on and tell you much more...but i think it best to stay quiet for now.
Once again I thankyou for the advice though....its totally helpless feeling when you don't know where to go with the info that you think you might have. (sighs)