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Islam in their own words
October 1, 2011
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Jokers own note:In all of this, Islam unlike any other religion does not have a central leadership, meaning that any Imam can issue Fatwa’s (Religious decree) unlike for instance the Church of England. Priests of the C of E are able to make statements but if they are incorrect the Arch Bishop of Canterberry or H.M the Queen can overrule the statement on theological grounds, this does not occur in Islam.

Given all of the evidence I have provided (and it only scratches the surface) I ask: Do you want this in Australia.

Islam in my belief is not a religion, it is a ideology and an agenda of a political and warring cult hell bent on world domination. If Sharia Law was ever permitted in this country the very fabric of Australian culture and values will be completely destroyed. As Islam grows in Australia the discrimination against Australians grows. This is clearly evidenced in the ways in which Government and private enterprise have made changes to accommodate Islam I refer you to this link as evidence as it details how Australia is slowly being taken over by incursion by Islam and how the Government is allowing it to occur. I also point out that Sharia Law is in conflict to the Constitution of the commonwealth of Australia 1901.

Although I have stated above that it is a threat to Australia, it is just as real a threat to the United States of America and is also in conflict to the Constitution of the United States.


What does the Koran say about "infidels?" Is Islam a "religion of peace?" What does the Quran say about women? Do Muslim men get served by 72 virgin girls and boys with pearl earrings when they go to Paradise?

Quotes from the Koran/Quran

"About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad's biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers."

Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy

(Quotes below are from N.J. Dawood's The Koran: with a Parallel Arabic Text, Penguin Classics, 1990)

Freedom of Religion

There shall be no compulsion in religion.

Quran 2:236; "The Cow," Dawood, p. 41

The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.

Quran 3:19; "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 51

Abraham and Ishmael built the House and dedicated it, saying . . . "Lord, make us submissive to You; make of our descendants a nation that will submit to You..."

Quran 2:127-129, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 19

He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.

Quran 3:85, "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 60

This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.

Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10; "The Cow," Dawood, pp. 1-2

If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.

Quran 2:23-4, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 3

It is not for true believers men or women to take their choice in the affairs if God and His apostle decree otherwise. He that disobeys God and His apostle strays far indeed.

Quran 33:36, "The Confederate Tribes," Dawood, p. 422

It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. He that accidently kills a believer must free one Muslim slave... He that kills a believer by design shall burn in Hell for ever. He shall incur the wrath of God, who will lay His curse on him and prepare for him a mighty scourge.

Quran 4:92-93; "Women," Dawood, p. 92

We have made you a just nation, so that you may testify against mankind and that your own Apostle may testify against you.

Quran 2:142-3; "The Cow, Dawood, p. 21

You are the noblest community ever raised up for mankind. You enjoin justice and forbid evil. You believe in God.

Had the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] accepted the Faith, it would surely have been better for them. Some are true believers, but most are evil-doers.

Quran 3:110-111, "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 63

Infidels, Unbelievers and Non-Muslims

Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good - except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.

Quran 3:28; "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 52

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Quran 2:89-2:90, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 13

Lord...Give us victory over the unbelievers.

Quran 2:286, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 46

"Lord...give us victory over the unbelievers."

Quran 3:148, "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 67

I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177

Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 2:190-2:191, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 28

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: "Taste the torment of the Conflagration!"

Quran 22:19-20, "The Pilgrimage," Dawood, p. 333

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

Quran 48:29, "Victory," Dawood, p. 514

Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.

Quran 4:56, "Women," Dawood, p. 86

Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.

Quran 5:33, "The Table," Dawood, p. 112

When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Quran 47:4, "Muhammad," Dawood, p. 506

Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy...

Quran 8:59-60, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 183

Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrong-doers.

Quran 5:51, "The Table," Dawood, p. 116

Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.

Quran 9:28, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 190

The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Quran 98:6, "The Proof," Dawood, p. 598


They ask you about menstruation. Say: 'It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you....'

Quran 2:222, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 34

Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

Quran 2:223, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 34

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.

Quran 4:34, "Women," Dawood, p. 83

A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.

Quran 4:11, "Women," Dawood, p. 77

Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses...

Quran 2:282, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 47

If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those [of your wives] who have not yet menstruated.

Quran 65:4, "Divorce," Dawood, p. 557

[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.

Quran 4:24, "Women," Dawood, p. 81

If you fear that you cannot treat [orphan girls] with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girl you may own.

Quran 4:3, "Women," Dawood, p. 76

Rewards in Paradise

The righteous shall return to a blessed retreat: the gardens of Eden, whose gates shall open wide to receive them. Reclining there with bashful virgins for companions, they will call for abundant fruit and drink.

Quran 38:51-2, "Sad," Dawood, p. 455

God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran....

Quran 9:111, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 203

As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rick silks and fine brocade. Even thus; and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.

Quran 44:51-54, "Smoke," Dawood, p. 497

On that day [the unbelievers] shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell . . . But in fair gardens the righteous shall dwell in bliss, rejoicing in what their Lord will give them. Their Lord will shield them from the scourge of Hell. He will say: Eat and drink to your hearts content. This is the reward of your labours.

They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris [virgin girls] We shall wed them. . . . Fruit We shall give them, and such meats as they desire. They will pass from hand to hand a cup inspiring no idle talk, no sinful urge; and there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

Quran 52:13-24, Dawood, p. 370

Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them.

They shall be served with silver dishes, and beakers as large as goblets; silver goblets which they themselves shall measure: and cups brim-full with ginger-flavoured water from a fount called Salsabil. They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholders eyes will seem like sprinkled pearls. When you gave upon that scene, you will behold a kingdom blissful and glorious.

Quran 76:9-20, Dawood, p. 414

Quotes by and about Some of Islam's Most Famous Spokesmen

[Muhammad] said, "...fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God..."

Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, p. 672

Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220

The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6

The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

Ayatollah Khomeini

(Quote taken from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa For more sensational and outrageous quotes regarding "taboo" issues, please see the Homa website.)

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.

Ayatollah Khomeini

(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)

Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.

Ayatollah Khomeini

(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301

Commentary on the Koran and Islam

Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:

They are to cohabit with demure beauteous as corals and rubies...full-breasted maidens for the gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. [The Koran 55]

Each Muslim man, in exchange for a lifetime of mindless obedience, was to be rewarded after death with an unspecified number of pretty boys to bugger, plus eight heavenly houris, each more phallus-raising than the others and each endowed with the capacity to grow a new hymen after each bout of sexual recreation. The male chauvinist Muslim could thus satisfy his virginity fetish by deflowering them over and over again, for eternity. When one compares Mohammed's gardens of delight with the Christian heaven of harps and celibacy, it becomes apparent why significant numbers of Christian men turn Muslim while conversions the other way are almost non-existent.

William Harwood, Mythology's Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus, 248

The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet [Mohammed] married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.

Ali Sina

In 1992, Islamic assassins had gunned down my good and brave friend Farag Foda, a professor and columnist, a human-rights activist, and an outspoken critic of the Islamic militants. The murder had shocked Cairo and terrified intellectuals... Egypt's most popular preacher, Abdel Hamid Kishk, a blind sheikh who constantly attacked both the government and its official religious establishment...had been telling his audience that Muslims who entered paradise would enjoy eternal erections and the company of young boys draped in earrings and necklaces. Some of the ulema, the religious scholars at al-Azhar University, the governments seat of Islamic learning, had disagreed. Yes, they said, men in paradise would have erections, but merely protracted, not perpetual. Other experts disputed the possibility of pederasty in paradise. "Is this what concerns Muslims at the end of the 20th century?" [Farag] Foda asked in a column in October magazine. "The world around us is busy with the conquest of space, genetic engineering and the wonders of the computer, while Muslim scholars," he wrote in sadness and pain, "were worried about sex in paradise."... he was killed.

Judith Miller

Sharia Law practically means: stoning of women for "honor" offences including for the "crime" of having been raped; beheadings for apostasy or blasphemy hand/foot amputations for "lesser" offences; public hanging of homosexuals and outspoken women; incessant war against infidels and especially Jews; black slavery; female sexual slavery; FGM [female genital mutiliation]; no democracy; no human rights; everyone down on their knees; Mullahs as Gods; non-Muslims as dhimmis; no music except for drums (ask "Cat Stevens"); no dancing; public floggings for "sexual crimes" such as flirting or speaking with an unrelated person of the opposite sex; all women under the veil; prison rape-brothels run by the Mullahs; and so forth. It is perhaps the most cruel and violent system of human life and social organization which has so far been invented, and it came to the world from those populations once only living in the desert "dead heart of Arabia", but now lording over gigantic sums of oil-wealth, and spreading their vile doctrines all around the world.

James DeMeo

[The Koran is one of] the most stubborn enemies of Civilisation, Liberty, and the Truth which the world has yet known.

William Muir

Some of the parchment pages in the Yemeni hoard seemed to date back to the seventh and eighth centuries A.D., or Islam’s first two centuries - they were fragments, in other words, of perhaps the oldest Korans in existence. What’s more, some of these fragments revealed small but intriguing aberrations from the stand Koranic text. Such aberrations, though not surprising to textual historians, are troublingly at odds with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God.... What the Yemeni Korans seems to suggest, Puin began to feel, was an evolving text rather than simply the Word of God as revealed in its entirety to the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century A.D.

Toby Lester

So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Koran is just God’s unaltered word. They like to quote the textual work that shows the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Koran has a history too. The Sana’a fragments will help us do that.

Gerd-R. Puin

The impact of the Yemeni manuscripts is still to be felt. Their variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the Koranic texts is much more of an open question than many have suspected: the text was less stable, and therefore had less authority, than has always been claimed.

Andrew Rippin

To historicize the Koran would in effect delegitimize the whole historical experience of the Muslim community. The Koran is the charter for the community, the document that called it into existence. And ideally though obviously not always in reality Islamic history has been the effort to pursue and work out the commandments of the Koran in human life. If the Koran is a historical document, then the whole Islamic struggle of fourteen centuries is effectively meaningless.

R. Stephen Humphreys

There is no hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form before the last decade of the seventh century.

Michael Cook

My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants.

Gerd-R. Puin

...until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and... only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad and the first Caliphs are mythical figures.

N.A. Morozov

...the history of early-medieval Arabia is nearly all legend. Like Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and other founders of patriarchal religions, Mohammed lacks real verification. There is no reliable information about his life or teachings. Most stories about him are as apocryphal as the story that his coffin hangs forever in mid-air "between heaven and earth," like the bodies of ancient sacred kings.

Barbara Walker

The only real source of historical information about pre-Islamic Mecca and the circumstances of the Koran's revelation is the classical Islamic story about the religion's foundation...

Toby Lester

The Koran claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear. But if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesnt make sense. Many Muslims and Orientalists will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible.

Gerd-R. Puin

[The canonization of the Koran involved the] attribution of several, partially overlapping, collections of logia [sayings] (exhibiting a distinctly Mosaic imprint) to the image of a Biblical prophet (modified by the material of the Muhammadan evangelium into an Arabian man of God) with a traditional message of salvation (modified by the influence of Rabbinic Judaism into the unmediated and finally immutable word of God).

John Wansbrough

...the prominent Egyptian government minister, university professor, and writer Taha Hussein...devoted himself to the study of pre-Islamic Arabian poetry and ended up concluding that much of that body of work had been fabricated well after the establishment of Islam in order to lend outside support to Koranic mythology.... [T]he Iranian journalist and diplomat Ali Dashti...repeatedly took his fellow Muslims to task for not questioning the traditional accounts of Muhammad's life, much of which he called myth-making and miracle-mongering.

Toby Lester is time [for Islam] to assume, along with all of the great cultural traditions, the modern risks of scientific knowledge.

Mohammed Arkoun

For a long time scholars have considered Islamic origins as basically unproblematic. It seemed fairly straightforward: the founder was a figure of relatively recent history, amply documented, and many of his own writings and sayings survived. True, there had been a frenzy of fabrication, but early Muslim scholars themselves had seen this early on and moved to weed out spurious hadith (traditions of the founder's sayings and deeds). What was left seemed ample enough, as did the text of the Koran, the revelation of Allah to Muhammad. Even if one could not confess with Muslims a belief in the divine inspiration (actually, dictation) of the Koran, one still agreed the text preserved the preachments of Muhammad. The most recent generation of students of Islam, however, have broken with this consensus. Gunter Luling is joined by many in his opinion that Western scholars of Islam and the Koran had simply accepted the official party line of Muslim jurists and theologians regarding the sources for Muhammad and early Islamic history.... In fact, Western Islamicists had done everything but accept the Koran as the revealed Word of God. In retrospect one wonders why they balked at this last step!...

The Koran was assembled from a variety of prior Hagarene texts (hence the contradictions re Jesus' death) in order to provide the Moses-like Muhammad with a Torah of his own....

[T]his means that all we thought we knew of the Prophet Muhammad is really a mass of fictive legal precedents meant to anchor this or that Islamic practice once Muhammad had been recast as an Arab Moses. And the question of the origin of the Koran is no longer "from Allah?" or "from Muhammad?" but rather "from Muhammad?" or "from countless unnamed Hagarene jurists?"... And it becomes equally evident that the line between the Koran and the hadith must be erased, for both alike are now seen to be repositories of sayings fictively attributed to the Prophet and transmitted by word of mouth before being codified in canonical written form.

Robert M. Price

Sharia [Islamic law] is totally incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948. Women are inferior under Islamic law—their testimony in a court of law is worth half that of a man; their movement is strictly restricted; they cannot marry non-Muslims. Non-Muslims living in Muslim countries also have inferior status under Islamic law; they may not testify against a Muslim. In Saudi Arabia, following a tradition of Muhammad, who said that "two religions cannot exist in the country of Arabia," non-Muslims are forbidden to practice their religion, build houses of worship, possess religious texts, etc. Non-believers or atheists in Muslim countries do not have "the right to life"; all the major law schools, whether Sunni or Shia, agree that they are to be killed. (Muslim doctors of law generally divide sins into great sins and little sins. Of the 17 great sins, unbelief is the greatest, more heinous than murder, theft, adultery, etc.) Slavery is recognized as legitimate in the Koran. Muslim men are allowed to cohabit with any of their female slaves, and they are allowed to take possession even of married female slaves. One does not have the right to change one’s religion if one is born into a Muslim family; here is how the great commentator Baydawi sees the matter: "Whosoever turns back from his belief, openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever you find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him altogether. Do not accept intercession in his regard." And here are the punishments in store for transgressors against the Holy Law: amputation, flogging, crucifixion, and stoning to death.

Ibn Warraq, "The Two Faces of Feisal Rauf"

Islamists are attempting to impose Shariah Compliant Finance (SCF) on Western institutions to use our own financial strengths against us. The most serious problem with SCF is that it legitimates and institutionalizes Shariah law (i.e., Islamic law), a theo-political-legal doctrine violently opposed to Western values. With $1-$2 trillion petrodollars annually looking for an investment home, blind exuberance is driving financial institutions to adopt SCF, without even a minimal baseline for legal compliance. This willful blindness, and lack of both transparency and due diligence may cause SCF to be the next sub-prime crisis, but this time with deadly consequences.

Legal Risks: Western financial institutions which adopt SCF may have criminal and civil exposure to claims of aiding and abetting sedition and the material support of terrorism, securities fraud, consumer fraud, racketeering, and antitrust violations, as well as exposure to tort claims for sedition and terrorism, and for the violation of internationally recognized norms of the law of nations.

Christopher Holton, Shariah Finance Watch

...sharia finance [is] the most serious--and most notorious--example of Islamic separatism. But who cares about that, when there is so much money to be made? ..."Islamic finance has rapidly emerged as one of the most dynamic segments of the global financial services industry and is today a global phenomenon. There are Islamic finance institutions operating in over 75 countries and with assets estimated at around US$700 billion, a figure which is growing at a rate of about 15% a year." With a May 2008 report declaring that approximately $4 trillion was available for investment in the Middle East, Islamic separatism in the form of sharia finance has become a big businesss--with Western financial institutions hurrying to get in on it by accommodating Muslims in setting up parallels financing structures in the West....

What's more, sharia finance is another tool of Islamic separatism; instead of assimilating into American society, Muslims are demanding, and receiving, parallel financial institutions that reinforce the idea that they are unique, not subject to the laws and norms to which the rest of us are subject--a privileged class. At the same time, sharia finance initiatives are giving Islamic interests increased control over Western economic life.

...what will be the outcome of this kind of thing? Holton predicts that "at best, the result could be Muslim enclaves in Western communities in which sharia supercedes native law." Or "at worst, sharia could start to creep into our lives and laws, changing our way of life little by little over time." That would be entirely in line with the stealth jihad goal of Islamizing American society.

The agents of this societal change are, all too often, Islamic scholars who have made no secret of their support for Islamic supremacism, whether advanced by violent or non-violent means. Holton notes that Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani, who has served on the Board of the Dow Jones Islamic Index (IMANX) and still holds a place on the sharia Advisory Board of several international financial institutions, explains that "the purpose of Jihad aims at breaking the grandeur of unbelievers and establish[ing] that of Muslims." He further insists that Muslims in Western countries "must live in peace until strong enough to wage Jihad"--and once they are strong enough, they will "establish the supremacy of Islam."

Robert Spencer, Stealth Jihad, 182, 185, 187

Qouted directly from:

I also refer you to the following Verses of the Koran:

Koran 2:223

Koran 2:282 Surah 2:282

Islamic Pedophillia (Male - young boys)




Islamic pedophilia (Female – Young girls)


Thighing is dry humping. It is my contention that a “Normal” adult male cannot sustain an erection in the presence of a child or children. But it appears that a Muslim male is conditioned by years of psychological oppression and training (brainwashing) that he is not only able to achieve and maintain an erection he is also able to masturbate using a child (thighing) to achieve orgasm.

Wife beating allowed in the Koran


Prostitution in the Koran



According to Koran women are

just sex objects so do whatever you want and anytime, here is the verse -

Koran 2:223 "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;"


Women are your possessions, here is the verse -

Koran 4:25 "If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess".


Extra marital affair with the captive women and concubines and mistresses.

Koran 23:1,5-6 "abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess"


Koran 4:3 "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four;"


Mohammad himself married 6 years old Aisha and started having sex with her since she was only 9 years old until she died in such early age of eighteen.


Mohammad had sex with and married Jainab who was his dauther-in-law.


Koran 33:50-52 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives ... and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee;"



"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes"

Which means initially people had sex with their brothers and sister to multiply.


Koran 33:50-52 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee;"


According to Hadith Muta is a temporary contract where a muslim can pay dowry for a girl to be married for a very short period time for example an hour.


Koran 4:34 "admonish them (first),(Next), refuse to share their beds,(And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience,"


In the paradise man will be rewarded to have sex with seventy two virgins (hoories).


"And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes"


"Like unto Pearls well-guarded."


"And made them virgins"


"For the Companions of the Right Hand."



"So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her."


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"As to the Righteous, they will be in Gardens, and in Happiness,"5:20 "They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes. 052.024 "Round about them will serve,(devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded."


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Any Imam can issue a fatwa AND all muslims can think for themselves and disregard said fatwa.

If you want to hear 'Islam in their own words', go talk to Muslims at your local mosque. There are plenty of Muslims in the US. I'd guess many of them would be happy to speak with you. Plenty of devout (and not-so devout) Muslims that have been here for generations without blowing themselves or you up... Or you can accept the cherry picked passages quoted above as representative the whole. As if the same couldn't be done for your god's bookey-wookey.

One problem with the 'Muslim world' is that illiteracy is rampant. If one can't read "the word of god" and accepts what someone else tells you... is that Islam? or is it someone manipulating you?

Similar problem exists here where most are literate but just don't think. Similarly, the sheep just accept what they are told.

Education is the answer. The foundation of education is critical thinking. Think for yourself and question everything.

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Education and being illiterate is only half the problem if you can be executed for what you read or watch on Television. Try handing out Bibles in Iran or many other Muslim countries. A priest now has been sentenced to death for giving Bibles in Iran. Posessing any Bible literature is the death sentence. Remember the Afgan woman they killed with an AK47 for having a television?

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"greeney2" wrote: Posessing any Bible literature is the death sentence.

Really? Don't think so.

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"greeney2" wrote: Posessing any Bible literature is the death sentence.

In Iran? Nay. Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians are the only ones, according to their constitution, "recognized".

Article 13 of the Constitution gives a special status to three religious minorities named
“recognized religious minorities”:
“Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the
limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own
canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.”

However, recognized and respected might be two different things in this case, from what I've been reading. Maybe someone can offer a better explanation.

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

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Tehran, 1 July (AKI) - Iran's Supreme Court has upheld the death sentence handed to a Chiristan priest convicted of apostasy, Iranian website Peykeiran reports.

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A lower Iranian court sentenced the priest, Yousef Nadarkhani, from the city of Rasht on the Black Sea, in December 2010 after finding him guilty of apostasy. He has been held for almost two years in Lakan prison and was arrested in October, 2009 while attempting to register his evangelical church in the city of Rasht.

The young priest was born to a Muslim family but denies he was ever a Muslim.

Under Iran's Sharia law, converting to another religion from Islam is apostasy, a crime punishable by death.

Churches are reported to have come under intense pressure in the last year, with a wave of random arrests and increasingly anti-Christian rhetoric.

In May, high profile Iranian cleric Ayatollah Mesbah Yadzi reportedly chided the authorities for failing to stem the growth of churches despite stepping up their efforts.

The ayatollah reportedly urged the government set up a central system to monitor and coordinate the suppression of churches.

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Yes it definatly can be the death sentence in Iran. Remember this insodent? I recall something similar where american women got released, after someone famous made a humanitian request to let them go. Muhammad Ali comes to mind.

BREAKING NEWS: Christian Women Flee Iran After Acquittal
Sunday, May 23, 2010 (8:35 am)

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent BosNewsLife

Maryam Rostampour, 28, and Marzieh Amirizadeh, 31, have left Iran after acquittal.

TEHRAN, IRAN (BosNewsLife)-- Iran has acquitted "on all charges" two young women who were detained fourteen months ago "for their Christian faith and activities" and abandoning Islam, Iranian church officials confirmed Sunday, May 23.

However Maryam Rostampour, 28, and Marzieh Amirizadeh, 31, have left Iran after being warned by judicial authorities "that any future Christian activity in Iran will be seriously dealt with," added well-informed Elam Ministries, a group of Iranian church leaders that supports the nation's "growing church."

The name of the country where the women arrived Saturday, May 22, was not immediately released -- apparently for security reasons -- but Elam Ministries has its headquarters in Britain.

In a short statement obtained by BosNewsLife, Rostampour and Amirizadeh said they were thanking Christians who prayed for them. "We are most grateful to everyone who prayed for us," Amirizadeh said. "I have no doubt that God heard the prayers of His people," Rostampour added. "I believe our arrest, imprisonment and subsequent release were in the timing and plan of God, and it was all for His glory. But the prayers of people encouraged and sustained us throughout this ordeal."

The two women were met at the undisclosed airport by Sam and Lin Yeghnazar, founders of Elam Ministries, during a reportedly tearful reunion. "It was very emotional when we first saw them," said Lin Yeghnazar. "Now, we want to see them rest and recover."


Elam Ministries said both young women "have shown exceptional courage, daring to tell an Islamic judge that they would never deny their faith in Christ", despite their Muslim background.

When Sam Yeghnazar told them "their example had encouraged countless people around the world," they reportedly said "We are frail human beings with many weaknesses. The honor and glory go to God who has kept and used us, although we don’t know why He has chosen us. All the glory goes to Him."

Rostampour and Amirizadeh were detained in March 2009 on charges that included "apostasy", "propagation of the Christian faith" and "engaging in anti-government activities" after authorities raided their home and confiscated Christian materials from them.

The women, who reportedly evangelized and handed out Bibles, were repeatedly placed "under great pressure" to recant their faith in Jesus Christ, Elam Ministries and other Christians familiar with the case said.


Both women, who are of a Muslim background but converted to Christianity, faced long prison terms and possible the death sentence. Apostasy along with murder, adultery, rape, armed robbery, and drug trafficking are all punishable by death in Iran, and it has executed people on these charges in the past.
"They faced repeated interrogations, weeks in solitary confinement, and unhealthy prison conditions. Both became seriously sick during their imprisonment and did not receive the treatment they needed which greatly increased their suffering. Senior judges and officials also intimidated them," Elam Ministries told BosNewsLife.

However the Christians said in a statement they wanted to "remain faithful to Jesus Christ and did not want to deny Him."

After their conditional release in November 2009 following 259 days in Tehran's notorious Evin prison, they have had "a very trying six months" waiting for their case to be heard in an Islamic court where they could have been sentenced to prison again, fellow Christians said.


However "We have seen the Lord do miracles over and over again. He kept us and gave us favor in prison, and sustained us during a very difficult period of waiting for our final trial," explained Marzieh Amirizadeh in comments obtained by BosNewsLife.

The women admitted that the days ahead are not certain. But, "We hope to eventually share some of what the Lord allowed us to go through to highlight the need and the opportunity for the church in Iran, but right now we will take time to pray and seek the Lord for His will."

Sam Yeghnazar said the women and his organization were thankful that "believers around the world interceded so faithfully for Maryam and Marzieh and the church in Iran."

Besides Amirizadeh and Rustampoor, at least dozens of Christians, many of them former Muslims, were detained in recent months, some being held for weeks in solitary confinement, several Christian sources said.

At least eight prominent Christians were killed since 1979, according to Elam Ministries estimates.


Elam Ministries has linked the crackdown to concern among Iran's leaders about the spread of Christianity in the strict Islamic nation. "Because Iran is a strategic gateway nation, the growing church in Iran will impact Muslim nations across the Islamic world."

The group said in 1979, there were less than 500 known Christians from a Muslim background in Iran.

"Today the most conservative estimate is that there are at least 100,000 believers in the nation."

Church leaders have reportedly said that they believe "millions" can be added "to the church in the next few years-such is the spiritual hunger that exists and the disillusionment with the Islamic regime."
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3 Responses to “BREAKING NEWS: Christian Women Flee Iran After Acquittal”
mohammadreza Says:

September 17th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
thanks maryam -marzeh

Duane Says:

October 5th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Jesus Christ is still King. He wants a church in Iran, and there is a church in Iran. Amen

Tania fiolleau Says:

December 29th, 2010 at 2:53 am
This lady is a former prostitute and Madam that is now a Christian Crusader advocating against the sex trade. She is the author of “Souled Out!” you may want to check her out and do a story on her. She is gaining the interest of world wide media attention.

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Ah, he tried to convert. Yes, there's something in the .pdf about it being illegal to switch from being a Muslim to being a different religion. I'll have to look at it again.

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

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Go speak to Muslims in your community.

Aside: this thread belongs in the religion board, not WOT.

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I believe in many countries passsing out Christian literature, is the death penalty. Converting from Islam under their laws can be even in Iran, and so is trying to convert people is as well.

Thanks for the moderator input Hxxx, you might be correct about the forum. We don't move everything, or catch everything. The Hecklers keep us very busy. Laugh

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