January 11, 2016
Hey Orangetom, you mentioned this a few times "I wanted in particular to let you know that about your posts. No problem...just making you aware of it...that people can see it." to me with respect to the obvious here... Are you saying I'm doing more wrong than good or visa versa?
I'm all about education and continuing to evolve.
If what I mutter on this website is too much or going about the wrong way, let me know. Sometimes I only see one angle or degrees of the full arc of a circle, meaning there is 359 other degrees of possibilities, equations, etc...
What would you do Orangetom to fix the problems? Greeney2, same question.
I know Michael Tellinger's way is key. His free power to start this change is here: http://www.getcorp.com. The next step is forgiveness seen and told by Hellyer in his disclosure video to the world. Amnesty to those caught (whomever they are). Am I missing something????
April 9, 2009
Roger as far as the board is concerned, I'd do nothing to change anything, we all have different ideas, exchance them, and agree sometimes to disagree.
Trust me, you are doing nothing wrong here, and glad to have new posters, new subjects, etc. You see our dates of joining, but that is only referring to this current change to this format, that lost many things prior to day one of this upgrade. I probably had around 20,000 prior posts that were lost, and it all started over again. I joined back around 911 when the first board started.
Believe me, in the GWB days, this place was really jumping, with every conspiracy theory known, and on a daily basis the war forum, religion forum, were really active, and it got down right volitale. It pretty tame nowadays. It was constant arguments, vehiment opinions, flaming you would not believe, and many many banned people would just come back under new names. You got pretty "seasoned", to the tactics. I think much of the political posters, were a lot of left wing liberals, spreading a lot of porpaganda, lies, and fabrications on a daily basis, to distroy GWB, and get the democrats back in office. When Obama got in much of the war forum dried up. By that time we had ran a few subject into the ground, such as the Gore Election loss, every WTC theory ever thought of, the Moon landing hoaxes, etc. All the flaming, and arguments were as OT says, guilt manipulation, guilt tripping tactics.
As for our daily lives outside the board, political correctness, which is mostly guilt based, is destroying out society, or at least the USA. That is why Trump is so popular, we are sick of the bullshit of PC, making us feel guilting for waking up in the morning.
We are all good guys here, its not like some of the old days on the board, so keep posting, even if we sometime disagree, and believe me OT and I have disagreed in the past. So will we, and so will we find agreement a lot of the time.
January 11, 2016
Yes, agreed Greeney2.
How do we fix the USA let alone the world? How does someone like me help out our brothers and sisters? I do believe in world peace. I do believe world peace can happen and can happen quicker than a lot of people could understand.
I get where Orangetom is coming from - using the planet crisis to create a new religion/control mechanism for our future. Do we just continue to follow the statuesque?
What do you think about the Michael Tellinger ideal for our future?
Is this not the way to go?
March 18, 2015
About your posts and the nature of your posts. Concerning this...where I brought up the topic of your MO.
I disagree that we're going to war. The war has been already here ever since the "whites" landed and murdered the native tribes in Canada/USA and other places - all thanks to the royal blood lines of the British Empire aka the Egyptian Empire. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
I'm glad to see more and more intelligent people these days - those who understand what North America truly is.
I am showing you something about your MO for which I don't believe many have ever told you. Most people, It never seems to occur to them.
What you are doing here is guilt manipulations..guilt politics. I do not agree with it but only mention that I recognize it and according to Greeny2...so too does he.
I am not telling you to stop it..that is not my place here on this forum. I merely show you that people see it ..they recognize the MO. They also get tired of it as a manipulation technique. I say this because someone here in the States is trying to use this as a way to remove our freedoms and liberties and get us to lock step with the rest of the world Not interested.
Beating up the "white man" has become a favorite of leadership today. The White man is to be held guilty of everything going back to Adam and Eve...to the GArden of Eden if you like.
By the very lack of virtue of the MO you are want to use..I reject evolution and do not think humans have evolved at all. They are in fact trying to De Evolve..go backwards. Return back to a substance level or further back. Kum ba yah and all of that stuff ..a group hug.
I'll tell you what I know about the native tribes here in the states and into Canada and also down south into Central America and South America. Everything was not always Kum Ba Yah..as many are want to paint. When they went to war they were some of the most vicious killers of the time. Not much different from men in Asia, Middle East, or anywhere else. They often took their enemies into slavery though it is not popular to so state. In some tribes cannibalism was known.
As to the White man...for most of recorded history ...the white man lived under a feudal system just like most of the rest of the world for whom we have written records. A few people had a little and the rest had almost nothing. No reason for a closet..nothing to put in it. If you had a set of clothes it was what you had on. You could not tell the difference in the standard of living of the white man ..the oriental...the middle eastern men or anyone else.
You see...whatever it is that was to change the white man...was not his race for he always had that and it profited him nothing. Profited him Nothing at all.
And when the change came it did not change all white men...But today by intelligence ..by consciousness...by intellect..by illumination..they have to put everything on the basis of race. And race is another of the guilt manipulations/guilt politics which is used to silence people. I do not buy into that rationale..because I know it is more gaslighting.
The White man did not benefit from his race for he always had race and it profited him nothing as history records.
Conversely ..the native Indian did not profit from his race for he always had that.
I have been to other nations ...asia...Was born in Libya. Been to Europe. I know how they live.
I've been across this nation...coast to coast..it is not overcrowded..most of it is empty.
It is the Western nations which were to historically go on to change the world and bring a level of prosperity which allowed people to rise above feudal subsistence living. Anywhere you go into this world...and you see a level of progress...it came from/ was exported from one of a handful of western nations..not all of them but a handful.
And we are to feel guilty of this. I don't think so. This understanding is never taught today in schools for the significance it is in lieu of guilt education, guilt politics, guilt maneuverings. Lack of thinking, lack of knowledge. This is how I know evolution is not happening...and do not believe in it.
I do however believe in demonology...as the very devout and zealous religion behind much of politics today. Also behind much of public education paid for and financed by politics.
What was to go on and change the so called white man ..was not his race..it was his religion...and as I stated..not all white men...only a group which were to go on to be blessed by the fruits of this religion. The basis of this religion was to go on to form a nation where freedom and liberty where enshrined in its government charter ..to the point where progress was unstoppable...invetable. A nation which was to go on to produce the greatest plenty this world has ever known...and then export it and our way of thinking to other nations.
His Religion Change Roger Brown. Nothing else.
But today ..our intellects...our illuminated leaders..our leaders of higher consciousness ...enlightened people want to gaslight us onto race..and other gaseous thinking....flatulence. This to keep us from ever knowing the Truth.
This is also why I do not believe in World Peace. For I know that it too is gaslighting.
For Peace is the name of an individual..a man...not a world ideology. This is also how I know the United Nations is a professional gaslighting organization. A shakedown organization..a bully. They are about as useless as much of our current crop of gaslighting leadership here in the states.
I just wanted to let you know this about the condition of the world...and today's guilt politics..guilt religion...guilt maneuverings.
I am gratified to know Greeny2 sees it as well.
There are real problems out here..and nature herself will cure them for us. Men will only mess it up for demonic lucre. That is the track record of men through out history ..no matter how much education they have. Education does not make men ...better...particularly leadership. It only tends to enthrone them....into a throne which is not theirs.
I am not speaking against education here. Only to be cautious about how it is used or misused for herd mentality.
For I know that in addition to having and living these freedoms and liberties by which we as a nation have been blessed...we also have much of what we have today because we are not of Herd mentality..one size fits all...Xerox copies of the same nonsense. This individuality was also to help this nation and it's people to prosper. Not stamped out sameness.
I am not arguing here for not being good stewards. For we are instructed to be good stewards of that to which we are blessed. I just know that the method of the world to cure these problems is to lose our freedom and liberty and become enslaved to this nature worship. I don't agree with this method. The nature of this world is to return people back to Kum ba Yah...substance level living...or lower. This while a certain clique lives well off the fruits of others. This is the record of men. The history of men. Feudalism..royalty. And it is against our freedoms and liberty.
January 11, 2016
Ok, I get it. I truly do but... how would you fix it? We need solutions. I've posted a few possibilities already.
Like I've said, we need to ensure those caught/responsible are given amnesty - which I know may be all of us (certain degrees of this vary).
If "We" are to advance, what are the steps? I've listed IMO the steps required already which I'll reiterate.
1. Free power solution (I've found this solution and know who can) - teach the rest of world how to.
2. Communities/families municipalities to build their own "green houses" to supply food/seeds for the citizens that be within these communities.
3. Education and knowledge given freely too.
These three steps are key in my strong opinion. Government also needs to adjust for all this too. Essentially and with the inevitability with a free system... cost reductions will fall on everything (the whole concept of Ubuntu).
Now that I'm on the same page as Greeney2 and yourself, let's try focusing our time here on fixing our world, teaching others of who/how to survive going forward. If indeed Tellinger's plan is plausible, let's try it out? I'm already a member of Ubuntu and have conversed with Tellinger numerous times.
March 18, 2015
Do you Roger Brown...do you really get it???
A people left to their free and independent devices..freedom and liberty away from government interference and regulation can come up with solutions to just about anything.
In other words the economy will solve most of the problems..not government. Whenever you get government into a problem you are always going to get more of the problem..not less.
Government solutions are always a variation of what I quote of yours above....always..
that said, we as the human race are ultimately the problem.
And the ultimate government on a world wide system is the United Nations. No thanks. What a waste.
In line with the UN is a variation of what I quoted of your's above..and how they intend to solve the problem..right here...
From the Georgia Guidestones....line one on the stones..
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
This means get rid of some 9.5 billion people...or what is sometimes called by social engineers and world class thinkers...."useless eaters."
To accomplish this goal ..someone needs to play God here...and carry out a dogma ..a philosophy..a religion called "Democide."
Death by ones own government...death by democracy.
Look up "Democide" on wiki..here...
Notice this little jewel in the middle of the wiki article on Democide..
His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.
More people have been killed in times of peace between wars ...than have been killed by governments in the middle of wars...and at a faster rate.
This is also in the time of science ..wise men educated cultured intellectual enlightened men of conscience/reason
. NO thanks. Not interested. Someone is gaslighting us about the real nature of intellect ..and enlightenment ..of consciousness.
Proper economics will solve these problems if left to bear fruit..and not suffer government interference and regulation/control.
January 11, 2016
Sorry Orangetom if I misinterpret you. Are you saying the Georgia Stones are correct or are you trolling here? You sound like my favorite person on the planet, meaning he said "the main issue is that we can't feed everyone quality food or provide the means of NA type people/living styles and the 'living up to the Jone's' of your neighbor".
That said, I challenged him saying "yes we can provide our current population of 7.2 billion people with fresh produce with companies like Getcorp and those involved in the Ubuntu movement". All it takes is free energy to create the ripple effect.
He said this too "Georgia Stones says it all". I've lost all faith in him, although now I need to prove him wrong like what I'm feeling here with you and some others.
I disagree 100% if you think we need be of the 500,000,000 population and in some kind of balance with nature - sorry this is BS. There is no mathematics to prove any this! The logic remains only based on the fact the government is ultimately controlling this equation.
I do agree that 'obviously speaking' that our world currently under the powers that be is over populated only based on the fact we're producing more carbon now than ever and worried as we should be, this carbon build up will not subside or get better if don't change things. Again, knowledge = power and that power can propel us into a bright future. Should NA do something like China and slow down on the births? Yes. But it should go for everyone only due to the fact we've failed to create fast supplies of free energy and food.
So, I've provided valid solutions to our real problems and no one has really said anything about it. I know Orangetom you said it's interesting.... but that's it. I don't hear anyone on this forum/members making any suggestions. Anonymous Group works and survives because they know what's morally right based on the situation. Give them "the anonymous" some science and facts about another possibility such as Getcorp, Ubuntu etc... then they'll set fires, leak some truths to the world. Right now, their probably paddling along side you Orangetom or the captain of your ship.
I will not do nothing, nor will I ever say 6.7 billion people need to visit the maker. At least I'm trying to help. I don't personally know what you or John Sr are doing to help, but doing nothing = helps no one.
April 9, 2009
Michael Tellinger I have no idea who he is, so looked him up. I find if really funny that a man who advocates a world without money, sells several books but they are all sold out, making only the E-book available. He has one Donate link, taking every credit card made in little symbols, and sells tours that are about $5000. That was enough for me.
Just ask yourself one simple question about this kind of utopia world of no money, and I think it said you only work 3 hours a week. We have that in our world already, and they do not even work 3 hours. They are called the unemployed, the homeless, the refugees.
Its a wonderful thought, but this is not the world we live in and never has been. Since the beginning of man, humans have hunted and gathered, and evolved into groups or civilizations, where trading and bartering happened, and some system of values evolved. That evolved into a systems of money, but its is all relative to supply and demand, values of those things, and values of the peoples skills. It is no different today, and never will be different, unless you want a system of total socialism and communism, where everyone is equal in terms of their skill levels, brain power, and values of products, food, and property. There would be no incentive to ever better yourself or to learn, why would you need to? Life would loose drive, and a purpose, without some system of ranking value on things and what people do. Your value you be zero, just like everyone else, how bleek would life be like that?
This kind of world was in the old movie, The Time Machine, when he travels through time, the world wiped out by war, and what was left, was a society of people who did nothing, did not work, had no money. Books were non-existant, remember when the library turned to dust when he touched them? (interresting how tellinger only sells e-books.) They had no purpose in life but to be food, or the Elocks. The characters were bleek, emotionless, and had to purpose of value to life. They were going to let the girl drown in the river, because life had no value.
People in the 60's, to dodge the draft, formed hippy communes, and lived togather where they didn't work, and could live togather, basically having nothing, but there was a lot more takers than givers. The establishment was the enemy, but they had no problem collecting welfare and unemployment, and not paying taxes or working. I guess an experiment in socialism, that did not last long, when those with nothing, did not contribute, and someone else supported them or did all the work. Sounds a little like those without money, thinking the only logical thing is for all those with money should support them. Bernie and Hillary think the top 1% should just support all those other 99%.
If you want to pay Michael Tellinger to tell you how good life is without money, be my guest, just ask why e-books should not be free, they cost nothing. Might make a great movie, but a real concept of life, no thanks.
March 18, 2015
The United Nations needs to pass some laws or resolutions against Active Volcanos. That will work well to reduce the main culprit in certain carbon levels and air pollution.
In the future active volcanos combined with earthquake activity is going to get exponentially worse.
Some firm laws against active volcanos ought to do it.
No I am not in agreement with the Georgia Guide stones nor with someone out here playing god. They do need to figure out how to make more arid land green...more oxygen that way. I believe certain farmers like the Amish or Mennonites have done it in certain areas ..like Australia. How to reseed forests. You get on Google earth and see the places like up in Maine where the land has been forested ..it looks awful. Huge swaths have been cut of trees and it shows.
In the end the solution for social engineers and social justice warriors will be to depopulate huge areas of the earth ...devoid of people by any method that works. It will do nothing for the carbon footprint..but it will keep certain people in power.
That is exactly what the carbon foot print is for....control over the herd...over people ..to herd them like cattle. No independent thinking allowed.
Also Roger Brown..I do not feel obligated to get others free food. That is not my task in this world.
And all the guilt in this world is not going to get me to change my mind. Getting "Free Food" is a nice pipe dream. Sooner or later someone is going to have to pay for it. Someone is going to have to labor for it...someone is going to have to take RISK to labor for it.
And people who can think for themselves are getting tired of holding up the globe for those who get it without work and without RISKS. This is what Greeny2 alluded to in the commune picture he was attempting to make. There are more takers than providers and workers.
I found this out after Hurricane Isabelle..when I took in some 8 people who were mostly high maintenance. I wound up working hard to keep the buffet line stocked and ready to go while many slacked and made messes everywhere they touched...but little help. I will not be doing this in the next hurricane. They will have to fend for themselves.
I don't try to keep up with the Joneses or any of that stuff..I also don't tell the Joneses what to do with their monies. It is none of my business. The Joneses also do not tell me how to run my affairs or spend my monies.
I am not someone else's pit crew to keep them in the race while working myself to death ...they can be their own pit crew.
Right now I see people going to the store and they can get more food than can I on this government issued credit card...welfare...free. I don't get my food free and feel no obligation to get food for another free ..without work and without risk. There is no free lunch out here ..it does not exist.
April 9, 2009
OT you just said a few things that hit home for me. I live at the zone called ground zero of the Northridge earthquake. I am within walking distance to the collapsed Northridge meadows apartment that killed a lot of people and right on top of the Epicenter within 1/2 mile. It was unbelievable, and I waited weeks and weeks until I finally got a FEMA appointment. I was layed off immediatly, but was recalled within a few days to work on the clean up of our plant. I was pissed off with I herd several employees who lived in the zip code, and lived in an apartment, that were automatically sent $3400, just because of the apartment address, and they bragged "I don't even need it, we were totally undamaged". The same people were flocking to all the free water and aid places, again said they did not need it but it was free. I was disgusted they would have done that, as my house was devasted. I still have unfixed earthquake damage from 1994. I got a few thousand more than those apartment people, but I have about $100,000 in loss.
I too am urked by those abusing food stamps. I have no problem with those who really need them, and would not care they had to use them. I don't think anyone of us would not buy someone who was really homeless and truly in need something to eat. That said, some of the abuses of food stamps were found to be people blowing it on things like Lobster, Prime rib roasts, and high end expensive foods. There is no control over these kinds of things they are allowed to buy, while they probably scam the welfare system, work under the table, get section 8 housing indefinately. Many scam themselves into permanant social security disability, and know how to milk the system, with no shame whatsoever.
Just see what will happen with Bernie and Hillarys free tuition. First anyone will get in regardless of GPA, and the standard will only go one direction, to accomadate all those who should not get in. DOWN! College will just become another way to get into professional welfare, and stay in school forever just to get every dime of aid, from housing to food, while they might get barely passing grades. the educational level will go down, and the workforce will be overloaded with unqualified people. Without any value, if its free, the students will regard it all as free with no value, since they have nothing invested into it. The drop out rate, and low grade averages will be a total drain on all those paying for it, just like all the welfare scams.
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