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May 21, 2009
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A new type of battery has been developed the air fueled battery called the "STAIR cell". Projections are for a 5 to 10 fold increase in energy storage.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152557.htm

May 22, 2009
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It comes down to this aquatank...

The culture in the US since the 1950's has steadily declined and especially in the area of technology. Americans don't want, need or like technology anymore. They despise technologists and see scientists as nothing but tools for political causes (you know like global warming, or fake health issues). State governments and the federal government have repeatedly worked against American individualism and the very things that are needed for technological innovation (like protecting some turtle at the expense of a entire business). The entire mainstream culture in the US dislikes "smart people" who instead of being admired are called geeks. They've been taught by Hollywood, whacko political groups, politicians and school teachers that scientists are evil. The US doesn't even award smart people anymore and while you're at it compare that to the Nobel Prize Committee which has been taken over by political hacks.

This is not the stuff of technological progress. If you don't fix the politics then it doesn't matter who invents what. The technology will never see the light of day. It may be hard to put your finger on a single thing that has been the primary cause of this but most people feel that something has not been right technologically in the US for long time. The patent system was corrupted, just one example. Thievery is now considered proper and valid.

The system that made the US the technological powerhouse it was in the first half of the 20th century has been dismantled. Some say its Corporatism. Some say Socialism. Some say Fascism. Whatever its called, until you fix it the US is headed to the bottom of the planet. Its happened to many a nation. It happened to China once. It happened to Greece and Rome. It happened to Europe.

You convince me that American attitudes have changed and I'll believe that there is a chance to fix the energy problem. For now technologists are America's big ugly dog. You bring them out when you need something but when polite company comes over you lock them in the basement.

"I don't see any flying cars. We were supposed to have flying cars." They were saying that in 1985. This is 2009! Look what they did to the Segway.

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If we were still ridding around in horse drawn buggies and Wal-Mart, Microsoft and GE sold buggy whips and someone came along an invented the automobile, how far do you think they'd get? Nowhere! And therein lies the problem.

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I also notice the battery you mentioned is from Scotland. I am not surprised.

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The culture in the US since the 1950's has steadily declined and especially in the area of technology. Americans don't want, need or like technology anymore. They despise technologists and see scientists as nothing but tools for political causes.

*ROL* You do realize that you are talking about one of the most technology obsessed cultures on the planet, don't you? The USA is not stagnat on buying technology. On the contrary, the USA gobbles up just about anything it can find usefull. Look at how fast things like Wii, blackberrys, ipods, digital cameras, flat screen TVs, and even hot cars sell. Someplaces can't even meet demands on new products.

Your confusing suspicion over questionable science hypothesis/theory & applications, over desired technological products. Americans like people world over don't like technologies and science when they see a danger in them. There are legitimate reasons people don't like companies like Monsanto and Dow, or Malboro, there are reasons why we stopped using asbestos and DDT. Those moves come after someone says 'Hey this isn't such a great product' and goes on to have others look into until it is found unsafe like the Pacer and Corvair, thats the kind of thing that's been going on with nukes and GM crops, and hosts of pesticides. It in no way reflects people grabbing new products.

What does affect going to alternative energies coming online is the established energy groups use of advertising and various forms of political propaganda to say "you don't need it, ours is better" Its the same line by the alternative energy sector but the difference is alternative energy only has 7% of the industry so You get 93% of the industry shouting it down. That isn't anti-science thats power politics. The fact that many people in the USA have started getting the governments ear because of valid facts has put the 93% on the defensive and thusly it becomes national politics. Whats interesting though is Wall Street which is where the funding really comes from is starting to invest far more in alternative energies each year because they see better profit potential. That's buying science and technology, and part of the reason they see profit in it is in the economics of the devices themsleves and the high demand of it from the people themselves. There is innovation and advancement in the USA, its just easier to to buy cheap labor overseas. Made in America is a business choice, but to compete our end product the quality must be superior to outsourced labor. But alas thats not the entire point, the point is the entire world needs to change for the better, I just think the world will follow the USA's lead if we do it correctly.

BTW there was considerable opposition to cars too, the reasons they weren't liked was noise and smell, and they spooked the horses too.

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Man you really are drinking the cool-aid. The people are not demanding green tech. It is government mandating green tech, shoving it down our throat, and spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on it against the people's will.

1,000 cell phone models does not equal technology. Yes, Americans like gizmos but gizmos are not technological progress. And the only reason they are gizmo addicted is because there isn't anything else to choose from, technologically. Actually, Japan is more gizmo happy than the US.

And as far as the flat screens (and home entertainment) is concerned, Americans are looking for simplicity and quality improvements and that is the only thing driving the home entertainment kick. Flat screen LCDs to replace CRTs is for space and energy savings plus the CRTs are all wearing out. Its nothing but turnover. Blu-Ray and HDTV is purely marketing driven. When there is nothing else to spend money on something fills the void. PC advances are just incrementalism. Supply shortages have nothing to do with this topic.

That does not mean there are no advances at all. The Kindle is impressive. The IPhone is more advanced than what came before. The space program has been steadily working things, there is a new space craft on the way and a new space suit.

But none of this addresses my complaints about people's attitudes towards technology and technologists. People expect that technology just spontaneously erupts out of nothing which is why you see so many idiots complaining about copyright laws. That is why they think that software should be free. "Its just bits and bytes. Why should I have to pay for it?"

If you can't see what the problem is then you can't fix it.

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You need to research the polls before making blanket statements try this first:
http://alternativeenergy.procon.org/vie ... eID=002395

Gizmos are technology, technology is gizmos.

May 24, 2009
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Yeah, and I wanna sell you some weight loss drugs.

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