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April 20, 2012 - 1:07 am
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I should have said "should" instead of "Does" but you answered that, too.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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April 20, 2012 - 7:52 am
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"at1with0" wrote: I should have said "should" instead of "Does" but you answered that, too.

I like how I said "stage or prengancy" instead of "stage of pregnancy." I'm getting old. I'm slippin' ... Cry

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April 21, 2012 - 5:51 am
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"frrostedman" wrote: [quote="at1with0"]I should have said "should" instead of "Does" but you answered that, too.

I like how I said "stage or prengancy" instead of "stage of pregnancy." I'm getting old. I'm slippin' ... Cry

“Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

( I couldn't resist) 😉

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April 24, 2012 - 5:20 pm
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"Island_Girl" wrote: [quote="frrostedman"][quote="at1with0"]I should have said "should" instead of "Does" but you answered that, too.

I like how I said "stage or prengancy" instead of "stage of pregnancy." I'm getting old. I'm slippin' ... Cry

“Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

( I couldn't resist) 😉

Morbid.

Thanks. Cry

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April 25, 2012 - 8:08 pm
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"at1with0" wrote: An analogy...

Suppose some one or some thing is making a watch.
At what point does that watch start existing?

The moment someone calls it a watch?

seriously..to me, it's at the point it begins to start counting time.. ticking..until then ..it's simply the formation of a watch..if it should break..after that..after it has been fully formed and up and running..then it is a broken watch

Willie Wonka quotes..
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Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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April 25, 2012 - 8:49 pm
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A broken watch, eh?

A broken watch is a watch.

I wonder how that fits into my metaphor..

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June 15, 2012 - 6:00 am
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Bionic in every example you still called it a watch, so it must be a watch in every stage of building it, even if it is not a functioning watch yet. Many procucts designs and concepts, never made it past the drawing board, but they were still referred to, by what they would have been.

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June 15, 2012 - 2:29 pm
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At1, I think you are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

First, define "watch". Now, whenever whatever you have matches that definition, it is a watch. If it doesn't match, it is not a watch.

What's wrong with that?

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June 15, 2012 - 10:14 pm
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Define watch.

Ask yourself what if I remove the hour hand. Is it still a watch?

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June 15, 2012 - 10:48 pm
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You are the one who needs to define watch because you're asking the question of when a "watch" is a watch 😉

Once you have your definition, you have your answer, and if you still don't, then your definition is insufficient. For me, this is just a question of language rather than the deep philosophical question you are implying it is.

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