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What's The Difference Between Miracles and Fairy Tales?
June 11, 2016
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I am working on a way to show that science along with leadership ...under Higher Education...all of them  being in the mix are promoting a huge fairy tale...to put people under their thumb so to speak and control and regulate their behaviors....even unto the point of confusion if you know how to spot it.

 

However ..under Science and higher education...being able to spot it is not in the program...

The only thing in their is the programming...ala ...Edward Bernays...Pavlov's Dog is no thinking required..only proper authorized emoting allowed...right into the voting booth.

In this manner...emoting substituting for thinking...you make a much better , controllable, malleable, manageable guaranteed voter.

Still working to flesh out this concept to help people spot the fairy tale by science and government.

 

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June 11, 2016
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In this entire debate of Miracles being different from Fairy Tales, not one science test was conducted, it was all opinion.  Is there any test known to proove the difference? Opinion can be based on logic but logic is not absolute, it has different approaches.  One preception is never the same as anothers. 

Science can get up to the moon and back, and can tell us how to bake the perfect cake or at least make the cake exactly the same everytime.  Science has nothing to do with if the cake tastes good or not becasue 10 differnet people will range in their taste, from like to dislike. The cakes is the same and we all have taste buds, so why is the taste test different between everyone?  Why is the same flavor differnet to everyone?  Is needing a little more salt, scientific, or even logical, because taste varies with everyone. 

What about matter of the heart that have no science test, and logic goes completly out the window. Love at first sight, might resemble a fairy tale and miracle both at the same time, but happens everyday. Not everyone finds it, how do you discribe those forces the bring 2 hearts togather?   Grief, sorrow, compassion, empathy, feelings, that are unexplainable by any test. Why do we grieve a different levels, depending on how died?   The human mind is a miracle in the sense even science can not dupicate the human mind. Science can not duplicate what we do everyday in manual dexterity. Imagine what the brains has to do in order for us to twittle our thumbs?  Tactile sensing we have in our finger tips?  Yet everyone is not equal in those things, any more than our preception, logic, and opinions are.  The human mind resembles some sort or miracle, thats for sure. 

June 12, 2016
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  "Miracles Verses Fairy Tales '

 

The Fairy Tale...White Privilege..is a fairy tale.

It is guilt politics masquerading as higher education..as the moral high ground. It is more of the "Blame Game."

 

It is racism masquerading as higher intelligence ...or moral and ethical. You do not cure racism with such obvious ham handed racism.

 

The proof of this in its political maneuverings and scamming ..is that it must needs be promoted from the cloistered venues of Education and the Military where it can be protected for the scam it is. You have in these venues a captive/cloistered audience in which you can ply your trade/scam without interference or protest.

The miracle is that this would not survive in the market of free ideas. People would not put up with it for the scam it is. This makes a joke out of Higher education and the scientific disciplines/politics which wholesale sponsor it.

 

White Privilege states that the main cause of this kind of racism they are trying to cure by racism itself is that the one to blame for White Privilege is the White, Heterosexual, Christian, Male.

You cannot bash White Heterosexual, Christian, women ..because you are going to need their vote down the line. They are not part of the control group...their votes are needed..not the males.

Here you have racism...whiteness...homophobia...anti heterosexual, Christian Bashing, and sexism too...anti males. The big for to protect and obfuscate..or hide the scam.

Again ..the miracle is that those not totally drugged out on nonsense like the Kardashians et al...can see it for the scam it is.

 

Fairy Tale....The War on Women"

I was so glad to see in the mid term elections when some ignorant woman candidate tried to use/misuse "The War on Women " to bolster her platform...that the audience laughed it out of play.
People are catching on. I don't think Hillary will. It is not in her to so do.

There can not possibly be a war on women when women in this country determine how most of the moneys are spent on big ticket and little ticket items.

I had to laugh at this concept..the war on women ...when going to Home Depot this spring and watching all the men following their women  around in the garden department pushing the shopping cart and doing all the heavy lifting at the direction of the women.

Then of course they load all this stuff into the car/truck..then unload it at home under the women's direction...and also often do the heavy lifting as it is used and put into place..at the women's direction/instruction.

Yup Sounds like a war on women.

I cannot think of many non western countries where so many women drive and also have access to a cell phone...and also their mans monies..in addition to their own.

Things like this made me want to laugh every time I heard such a speech by leadership..both Republicans and Democrats.

Ask any car salesperson who determines what kinds of cars get purchased ..the males or the females??? That one alone is enough to make a sham out of the war on women.

 

The miracle is that some are catching on to this scam...this fairy tale.

 

There are more..but this will suffice for now.

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June 12, 2016
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event_horizon said

gudskepteacal said
So short answer, which greeney covered already is a miracle involves something that has happened and a fairy tale is a work of fiction.  Kind of like a long time member, you, coming back to start a thread(miracle) and the essence of that thread is to compare believers in God to schizophrenic behavior(it's a fairy tale, event; better give it up man). LOL!

Hey, I didn't make the criteria for schizophrenia. LOL

Event, do you consider episodes of evil spirits or possession to be something from the supernatural or spirit world or instances where the science just hasn't evolved enough to thoroughly explain it and nothing to do with evil spirits or possession?

Since I don't believe in "God", I don't believe in "His" house either ("supernatural or spirit world"). I think people claiming to have been possessed by evil spirits has already been adequately explained by psychiatry as "those which are nuttier than fruitcakes".  

 

As for the first part, event, which is more schizophrenic:

   A. People who go about their life in faith of a higher power who commands them to live morally and peacefully with charity and love towards all.

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   B. People who feel it their duty and mission/responsibility to constantly question and ridicule such faith and the ones who try to practice it.

Well, you know the group I would choose as having the 'issues'.

As for the second part, true, there've been quite a few documented fakes and hoaxes, but, just as with the ufo phenomenon, I submit there are some that have no scientific explanation and are indeed supernatural in nature.  I could look up a few if you like, but currently pressed for time.  Also, what of the various witnesses of events that defy logic and scientific explanation.  And I quickly reference here an episode out of Philadelphia a few months back where witnesses saw a young boy 'moonwalk' up the wall onto the ceiling.  Sure the subject may be explained away as "nuttier than fruitcakes", but what of the people observing the event in question?  Mass hysteria and delusions, I suppose?  Point being I think there are times when all this highly touted science/psychology simply cannot (now or ever perhaps) explain what is actually taking place.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

June 13, 2016
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"The Fairy Tale"

 

 ACLU Lawyer Sounds Off on 'Islamophobia,' Blames Christian Right for Orlando Carnage  

 

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/c.....t-n2177067

 

"The Miracle "

 

People are beginning to catch on to it and the left/Athiest Gaslighting in the manufacturing of bad guys to stroke their egos..by attempting to tear down someone else's Faith and also here attempts to privily and skillfully substitute another faith in place of theirs. In this case the faith/religoin of man's logic, reason, even science...to be substituted for the Faith and customs of the people..by this good cop/bad cop...good guy/bad guy dichotomy.

This is also the MO of this current left democratic administration in office. The creation and manufacturing of bad guys to keep the public distracted.

They are all now, after Orlando, in a position of being caught in the "Gaslighting" scam...

By Gaslighting I mean here to attempt to demonstrate by the "Bad Guy " technique..that some out here are lacking...immoral...even insane...ethically deficient.

Attempting to manufacture bad guys has become standard operating position/technique when in fact they seldom ever tell you what law has been broken.

 

If  you think I am picking on theAtheists, the left, and the democrats ..you are correct.

 

The miracle here is that many out here, who can think for themselves, can hear the Silence of the Republicans in what happened over the weekend in Orlando and any other gaslighting scam taking place in America.

They are detecting that the So called Republican party is a scam. They are nothing  more than Democrat Lite.

The gaslighting of the Republican Primaries sufficiently demonstrated this about Democrate Lite and the Republican party.

This too is a Miracle...no doubt. This group is small but growing.

 

Fairy Tale

"The Kardashians..as a distraction"...keep people unthinking ...only emoting allowed

 

For some of us the Kardashians are the epitome of poor nonsense trying to pass for education/belief..a religion if  you like...and at the same time prevent thinking among people.

 

The miracle is again..that some are catching on and turning the channel...

 

More to come.

 

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June 13, 2016
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OT, just the term "war on women" by design fits your idea of gaslighting, by immediatly conjuring up a vision of an organized plot against them.  What ever surveys they take for wage equality, you could take any similar survey of wage differences just among men.  Only in unions are job discriptions defined, and assigned some sort of labor grade value, and the top of the scale is the same for everyone.  Most have a starting wage, with automatic progression, but when you are the top of the scale, thats the max.  There is no accounting for skill level, where even those at the top of the scale are not equal in terms of some of the high tech jobs, yet they can not go beyond top of scale. Even women in union jobs, have that same wage scale. OUt of unions, people do make more than others, both men and women, becasue they may have differnet skill sets and skill levels in their field.  

Womens libe of not, men should still be gentlemen, open doors, do lifting, otherwise you condone and 18 year old boy telling his Mother, "Hey Ma I'm busy, load those bags of cement yourself, you ain't crippled".   

Maybe the term White Privilage is just as War on women, by design just more gaslighting.  I'm white and not so sure I ever got anything because my race made a privilage for me over anyone else.  If anything, working 30 years in areospace, where "equal opportunity, affimative action" was #1 rule for the company to follow, the opposite happens. Managers were all afraid to confront trouble makers, who knew how to just scream discrimination, and the company was afraid of the National Labor board as government contractors.  Managers were afraid of personal lawsuits for discrimination.  What just happened yesterday in Florida?  Text book case of a Muslim running amuck with all his coworkers, one or more quiting over his agreesive behavior, off the wall comments to African Americans.  In my company those things would never be tolerated, security would walk you out and take your badge.  However his company tolerated it, becasue he was a minority, and they know how to play that game, so maybe the myth of white privilage is really minority privilage, playing the race card, in a PC system that bows down to these antics.  Most people never break the rules, afraid of losing jobs, but than you those who make a mockery out of rules, taking advantage, and by coinsodence, usually end up those with lesser skill levels, and least likely to be trusted with important jobs. 9 times out of 10 some minoriety status they use again and again. I've never seen anyone white claiming racial discrimination.  They don't  give a shit, but nobody can fire these kinds of people. So who is the privilaged ones?  

June 14, 2016
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Greeny2,

 

 Womens libe of not, men should still be gentlemen, open doors, do lifting, otherwise you condone and 18 year old boy telling his Mother, "Hey Ma I'm busy, load those bags of cement yourself, you ain't crippled".

 

I have no problem opening doors for women ...or being a Gentleman. Particularly for the elderly. I believe in the Biblical principle of Authoritarianism. The Biblical Authority.

 

I do not believe in the subversive way the feminists try to turn everything upside down..in exactly the way Social Justice Warriors do...and also other groups today. The gays, Transgenders...etc etc etc...

Turn it upside down to the point of holding others hostage to their dogmas and politics/religion...devout and zealous belief systems.

All of these groups have the same MO once you look closely and gaslighting is one of the methods under which they operate...Labeling and manufacturing bad guys...while attempting to make their opposition appear morally and ethically lacking and or insane...ie..gaslighting

Gaslighting...Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

 

Yet..once again ..no laws have been broken. They are censors...on the public conscience. So too is the media shilling for them on behalf of the body politic for votes.

 

In case you do not know Greeny2..."White Privilege" is a concept thought up by a feminist named Peggy McIntosh some time back in the 1980s...here from Wiki...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_McIntosh

White Privilege is a concept used and misused to manufacture bad guys in the minds of an uneducated and untutored public. It is guilt politics and is being heavily promoted by this current White House administration into the public education arena and also the military as political indoctcrination...guilt politics....censorship. No dissent or questioning is tolerated.

 

It is nothing more than disguised Racism...while trying to pass itself as Social Justice. It is a scam...a phony...cheap political maneuverings/labeling.. It is nothing more than a "Shakedown or censorship" of the whole nation.

It is a way to hold the whole nation hostage to their brand of Racism. It is indeed "Gaslighting."

White Privilege is a way to manufacture a bad guy...to manufacture a Hitler as the bad guy/trigger word in the unsuspecting undisciplined conscience of a vulnerable people...by a predator secretly and privily substituting their brand of racism in the minds of an unsuspecting and undisciplined people ..particularly children and immature adults.

It is being taught to unsuspecting children and also college level students with immature undeveloped emotions.

It must be done in these cloistered environments where it can be guarded and protected...

For it would never sell in public in a free market of ideas. And this Greeny2 is why these groups are so intolerant while demanding tolerance from others. Their ideas will not sell in the free marketplace of ideas. This is why gaslighting, bullying, intolerance and censorship is so central to their MO/Method of Operation.

 They are stealing the childhood from our children and replacing it with adult gaslighting and prejudices..while disguising it as Social Justice.

labeling and Manufacturing bad guys...for political purposes.

This is also exactly The MO of the feminists, The gays and all those other groups...the professional racists...and used/misused on an unsuspecting and untutored/uneducated public...with undeveloped emotions...easily made to feel guilty. And the Media is in on the "Gaslighting."

If you watch all these groups closely they are predators on peoples unsuspecting and undeveloped emotions. Their stock in trade is emotions.....not thinking.

This is also one reason their favorite cannon fodder is young people and women. They are more easily controlled by emotions and able to get them to bite the hook and reel them in.

 

Here is another labeling Fairy Tale Technique used and misused so often....so very very often...too much in fact.  It is becoming very very Wolfie to people who can see it for what it is...

 

" Everyone of whom the body politic does not approve is a Hitler."

 

The term Hitler has been used and misused so often by the body politic and social Justice pimps..so as to become meaningless in the last 15 years.

Everyone from Saddam Hussein to Donald Trump has been labeled for political purposes as the latest Hitler...of if  you prefere...the latest "Bad Guy."

This is happening so often of late that it becomes meaningless. People are saying to themselves..."Oh boy...here we go again."

As people when we hear the word "Hitler" we are automatically supposed to stop thinking for ourselves and  get on the political bandwagon to this Hitler Trigger Word and stop thinking.

After all...they use the word..Hitler!! What more can possibly be said ...they used Hitler.

The guy is worth more dead than alive...in political capital...in Gaslighting.

Don't you folks get tired of people trying to set the hook and reel you in using Hitler. I do.

 

The Miracle is ...

People are beginning to catch on ..albeit slowly ..but they are noticing this template in censorship and people control. Not freedom of thinking and expression but carefully crafted censorship. Taking advantage of peoples unguarded emotions...their vulnerabilities. Their lack of depth in education and thinking.

Once I discovered, many years ago, how Hitler was being politically used and misused ..I realized the body politic was conducting themselves as a predator over the vulnerable public. Hitler is supposed to be a "Trigger Word" on the unsuspecting and untutored.

This became nakedly obvious in the recent Republican Primaries and their overuse of the label "Hitler." It demonstrated to me that the Republican Party is a joke. They are Democrat Lite.

 

More to come,

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June 19, 2016
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 Fairy Tale.....The 2nd Amendment is about Hunting. 

 

No where in the 2nd Amendment do you find any statement about hunting.

 

This is a misdirection and obfuscation by the left and even some very ignorant Republicans to mislead and cloud the issue. You will not find this anywhere in the 2nd Amendment.

Yet somehow ..the MSM and the Left must needs try to misdirect the American People by trying to associate the 2nd Amendment with Hunting. You have to be publically educated to become this stupid and not catch on to it.

 

 The Miracle 

 

Again people are beginning to catch on to this scam and misdirection by phony and deceitful leadership as well as the MSM about the misdirection through hunting.

 

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June 20, 2016
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I  think the concept of what you said is not limited to just the 2nd amendment, the same argument could be made about every other amendment, forinstance the freedom of the the press and free speech doesn't mention pornography, and thousands of other issues testing every extreme and grey area of definition.  We are really experts in the USA of testing every extreme definition, distorting what they really mean, but somehow miss the real intended definitions of our Constitution.  It doesn't really end, when you allow Westborrow Baptists distoring these rights, and backed by the Supreme Court for their rights, to protest funerals.  They are out in full force over Orlando. 

Issues today, were not even thought of or even remotely considered in 1776. They would think todays issues are insane. We didn't have Ralphs and Vons in 1776, hunting was just a way of life, where today hunting is really a past time and sport (for the lack of better terms) to most people.  Just about nowhere in the USA short of Alaska, is hunting regarded as a means of nessesary ways to have food on the table.  They hunted with a cap and ball single shot guns. For they use one issue against the other, with regards to gun control, and the 2nd amendment.  In 1776 if the Westborrow Baptists protested a military funeral, claiming some sort of ludicras rights over an unherd of issue, they would have hung them. Every corner of our Constitution seems to be in debate from guns, to religious rights, laws about our borders, to birth control, to unacceptable language and terms, what we see on TV.  As long as you have liberal lawyers, and judges, these issues will only get more clouded, and distorted, and nobody will know right from wrong anymore.    

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Greeny2,

 

 I  think the concept of what you said is not limited to just the 2nd amendment, the same argument could be made about every other amendment, forinstance the freedom of the the press and free speech doesn't mention pornography, and thousands of other issues testing every extreme and grey area of definition.   

 

Oh..I quite agree...there is much confusion and someone is trying to deliberately make is so...confusion.

People have a right to keep and bear arms in this country. That also implies a right to not keep and bear arms in this country. I have no problem with that.

What I have a problem with is when people try to imply that people do not have a right to keep and bear arms if they so choose.

For I know that any government or people who do not trusts Americans to own a gun..will never trust them with a vote. Common Sense..they will rig the vote as well against the American People as they are trying to rig Amendment 2.

No trust with a gun or ammo...with a vote...this means no trust with a real genuine education..in teaching a people to think for themselves off the plantation. No trust with a gun, vote, real education..no trust with real information.

No trust with a gun, ammo, vote, real education, real information, means no trust with your religion.

Means no trust with your own monies...hence a cashless society.

Means no trust in your ability to teach and guide your own children and teach them your values and thinking..verses the government position...the world position....after the god of this world..after the religion of this world.

 

I can go on to more but this will suffice...for now. No ..it is not just the 2nd Amendment ...you are correct.

 

I have no use for the Westboro Baptists..nor respect. I have respect for the departed...

 

I do agree they have a right to protest and speak...but at the same time I have the right to disagree with their position...to speak of it. I do not have the right to cause them harm or bodily injury...or take their property ...etc.

 

Well..enough of that.

Thanks for your post,

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