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What's The Difference Between Miracles and Fairy Tales?
June 5, 2016
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Greeny and others...

 

You posted this..

 

   Little girls all want to be a Princess, whats wrong with that?   

 

What is wrong with that.....I'll tell you what is wrong with that...

 

We now have a people in our nation who expect...demand that someone else finance their princesshood. Princesshood is now an entitlement.

That someone pay for their birth control..their abortions..and whatever else can be paid for in exchange for votes.

Someone else must underwrite the cost by taking RISKS with their lives and personhood...anyone but the princesses.

That is what is wrong with it. That is what is wrong with the fairy tale.

 

The biggest fairy tale tellers are going to turn out to be government subsidizing the fairy tale for votes...until the system collapses.

 

And also ..that is a significant difference in "Fairy Tales" and Miracles. Who pays for it...who takes the RISKS to make it happen...and then who gets credit for it.

Someone in this system of "Fairy Tales" gets to become expendable and disposable to make the "Fairy Tale" happen for others by taking RISKS and working twice for this "Fairy Tale " system.

 

This is not a "Fairy Tale"...it is indentured servitude.

 

My .02,

Orangetom

 

Post Script..

 The "Fairy Tale" being promoted all across the spectrum here is that Government can turn out goods and services, in an economy and among people, without strain and effect on others...and call this "Fairness."

Notice they did not call this "Leadership" but "Fairness."

 

And it is a "Fairy Tale."

Three Card Monte....the Three Shells with a pea under one of them.

The pea is under none of them.

 

This is not science..but a devout and zealous religion at work called ..."Politics."

 

However ...science gets paid to turn out a product..and paid by these devout and zealous religious government fanatics. Very telling about science.

 

Scientific methods are used and misused on a gullible  public to keep them on the political puppet strings..through the MSM distortions public education etc etc..the science of Psychological management/mismanagement...information/disinformation.

 

See Gaslighting ..on Wiki. Also see....Edward Bernays on propaganda on Wiki.

 

Be very very careful about people pushing science as the way to go. They are often totally unawares that science is in bed with government to promote a fairy tale to control the population and prevent individual thinking...but only group think..herd mentality.

In this manner science becomes the willing tool of the very devout and zealous government religion of politics/control..which is at odds with individual freedom and liberty.

Edward Snowden is quite correct in his concerns about what Science and Government are doing to their people in control methods.

June 5, 2016
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Event, how can you just slip away again after reading those?  Laugh I think you need to stay in this a while. Surprised I'm just glad to see a little of the reasons for John's message board vs the kinds of things people have gone to on Facebook's have not died.  

Here we have it, Event making the jump from "miracles" becoming a mental illness, and OT making the jump from Snow White becoming the path to birth control and government welfare. OT I think you just did a little "gaslighting" yourself. I think you took it a lot more deeper than what the meaning of statement "every little girl wants to be a Princess, whats wrong with that".

Our generation is not exactly handing todays kids (mine and my grandchildren) a very rosy world. But our parents didn't for us either.  The last few generations have fucked things up pretty good, and what these kids will go through before they are my age, let them stay innocent for a while.

They will have plenty of time to face the reality of the world.  Sorry OT but the world of entitalment is not because a fairlytale made them expect the world given to them, because a little girl pretends to be a princess.  Maybe it is teaching them self esteme, that I'm special too because I am me. Little girls want to be a Princess like little boys wanted to be Roy Rogers. The world is harsh enough, let them be babies and children, and good parenting will make them strive for what is right in life, make something of themselves, and maybe do something important. 

June 6, 2016
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Hi orangetom, nice to see you here and good post as usual, but you never mentioned miracles or answered event's question, "What's The Difference Between Miracles and Fairy Tales?".  I know you have an opinion about that so let's hear it please.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

June 7, 2016
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gudskepteacal said
So short answer, which greeney covered already is a miracle involves something that has happened and a fairy tale is a work of fiction.  Kind of like a long time member, you, coming back to start a thread(miracle) and the essence of that thread is to compare believers in God to schizophrenic behavior(it's a fairy tale, event; better give it up man). LOL!

Hey, I didn't make the criteria for schizophrenia. LOL

Event, do you consider episodes of evil spirits or possession to be something from the supernatural or spirit world or instances where the science just hasn't evolved enough to thoroughly explain it and nothing to do with evil spirits or possession?

Since I don't believe in "God", I don't believe in "His" house either ("supernatural or spirit world"). I think people claiming to have been possessed by evil spirits has already been adequately explained by psychiatry as "those which are nuttier than fruitcakes".

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June 9, 2016
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gudskepteacal wrote,

 

 Hi orangetom, nice to see you here and good post as usual, but you never mentioned miracles or answered event's question, "What's The Difference Between Miracles and Fairy Tales?".  I know you have an opinion about that so let's hear it please.  

Ahh...ok...gudskepteacal..good point about Miracles.

 

A miracle to me is that the public would catch on to the fairytale and its aspect of control and conning a gullible public...for votes.

 

Event_horizon,

 

The word Psychiatry derives in Etymology from a Greek Word...Psyche...or meaning "Soul."

We are now back into religion. Just thought you would like to know that. Be very careful about science. It too is not always the product advertised.

I think about this often every time they call a psychiatrist to a famous court case.

Free...no cover charge.

 

Greeny2,

 

I am not speaking against princess per se..but there is a time to grow up to reality..not the fantasy.

 

Much of movies, television, and public education/Science...caters to the fantasy ...this way people never have to grow up. They just get someone else to underwrite the Risks for them...by this same entitlement/princess belief/religion...that someone else is expendable and disposable for their fantasy to happen. There is always a fall back position...paid for and risked by someone else.

After all...we are good people...we therefore deserve good thing...and a happy ending too.

It's all good!!!

 

You know what is really scary Greeny2...many of these people are now voters. Now that is scary...they are voting for more of the princess fantasy..provided someone else in the system takes the risk out of it for them.

As to the males....so many of them are just doing what they are programmed to do..just like the females...the males are running touchdown without thinking about the real nature of the play taking place. They are rescuing....running the touchdown. They too need to catch on.

The Cinderella complex is the name given to some of this...male and female.

Nowadays we have government trying in their failing way to become the white knight to the Cinderella's out here...for votes of course. This is destroying the family unit.

The fantasy today is that the wicked witch is the White, Christian, Straight, Male. They are responsible today for every failing/evil going back to Adam and Eve.

And this fantasy is being pushed by a devout and zealous religion called politics and science is being used/misused to promote this pseudo science....religion.

Catching on yet???

 

I am also not speaking here against good parenting. I am speaking against a movie and television education in the forever princess complex..the Cinderella complex.

What this complex...fantasy covers and hides is high maintenance for votes.

No one sees what we do!!! Is that not how government often works???

 

Thanks to all for their posts,

Orangetom

June 9, 2016
11:23 am
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Did I say "psychiatry"? Oops, my bad. I meant psychology, since the former has more to do with medicine (not "souls", as it was taken out of context; I'm sure everyone else here understands I wasn't using the ancient meaning of the word Surprised), and the latter has to do with actual human behavior.

Oh and greeney, I think you've let the "television/movie education" thing rub off on you too much around here -- what you posted earlier, about people believing that movies are real...c'mon man. LMAO

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June 9, 2016
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I think OT does make some valid points about TV education, as it is obvious what we see on the boob tube and big screen, does influence and in many cases brainwash our thinking.  Doesn't take a genius to know it works becasue we have gone from 3 channels in the 1950's, to everyone have cable TV with over 1000 numbers to select. We are inindated 24/7 with it, is anyone old enough to remember (Like me) when the 3 channels would sign off, and the network symbol would show until next morning.  

We are brainwashed into what to buy, what to eat, so badly they made laws to eliminate things like cigarette ads, that brainwashed kids and adults how smoking was some kind of glamorous lifestyle.  We are manipulated by TV shows, and biased news media into social trends, old taboos, political opinions and every grey area of right, wrong, legal and not legal, moral and immoral.  We are desensitised to violence, entertain ourselves with it, and graphic special effects have gone too far in realism. We are oblivious to real life crime and murders, because TV shows us how common it is. Sex, violence, and those social taboos are all right in our faces.  So yes, OT has a point, TV educations are true, quite a lot of the time. 

Ever watch Watter's World?  Its embarrassing, but sadly true, even when he has gone on to Harvard campus. Harvard and some could not even name the Vice President and questions so hard to here their answers they we so stupid, but everyone probably knew the latest Kardasian news. 

June 9, 2016
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 I do not watch Watters World...I have not idea  about what this programming entails. I am usually occupied in the evenings during what most call "Prime Time " and so I haven't a clue as to what is current or not ...and to be frank about it..I don't believe I am missing much by being so occupied.

I do not  like the sitcom genre..and try to avoid it..if that is what is meant by Watters World.

 

Or is this one of those programs where they go about to different places to see how intelligent people are..sort of a man on the street type of affair???

Well..nonetheless..I have not seen it.

 

I did not realize that Greeny2 was in somewhat agreement with me on television and movie educations. Good to know someone else out here sees the pattern taking place.

 

Over the years I have come to note the people in my surroundings for whom when asked a question requiring some thought ..some moral value...they tend to quote a movie or a television program they have watched. I note this type of conduct rapidly. I have also taught a number of younger people to note it in the people surrounding them. They are catching on.

The thing or characteristic of which I am speaking is the realization that these peoples  main reference in thought is a program they have watched on the television or a movie they have seen. What you come to realize is that they have few life experiences of their own ...or even thoughts of their own. They have television and movie thoughts...television and movie emotions..television and movie expressions and catch phrases. They are in essence ...Xerox copies of what is fed to them daily...movies and television.

 

They have few original thoughts or thought processes of their own. They have someone else's thoughts..someone else's emotions...fears and insecurities...transplanted into them by these mediums....even someone else's Biases....transplanted into them..taken root.

They have few life thoughts and experiences of their own. They are in essence..living second hand lives and know it not.

Oh..many of them can function in a  job...but outside of that ..they live second hand lives...television and movie lives.

 

What is very disturbing to me is realizing that these people are voters.  Many of them programmed by the image of the fantasy ....all the way into the voting booth.

 

All you have to do is properly stroke their emotions before election time to get them to vote a certain way...

Watch what happens between now and election time ..the manufactured Drama which is going to be taking place...with predictability. The manufactured "Bad Guys" in the news. Good cop/Bad Cop..for votes.

 

My .02,

Orangetom

June 10, 2016
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Watter's world is Jesse Watters, is not a show it is a segment shown on Bill O'Rielly from time to time. Segments are usually 5 minutes, where he goes to a campus or place like Times Square, asks current events questions.  Its very funny, but also pathetic how uninformed and out of touch many people are. He mixes a stupid answer followed by some sort of movie clip that is pretty funny.  

Just to be clear, I think I said there is "some truth" of the TV brainwashing us to some degree, but it also informs us, is a way we do get news daily, and not all bad.  I can not buy into an obsession everyone is just stupid and they only knows what comes out of the boob tube. Viewing it that way a little extreme. 

June 10, 2016
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Sure, you two have a point about people letting TV influence their thoughts, but the way greeney came across, was that people were believing movies are real. LOL He probably didn't mean for it to come out that way, but that was funny...I couldn't help but play along.

People get suckered into mind tricks all the time...whether it be from television, movies, Internet, newspapers, and yes, even religion.

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