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What is Right Wrong, Our Laws, and what are Sins?
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June 7, 2009 - 4:46 pm
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"Cole_Trickle" wrote: adam,

I'd be careful with your logic/common sense approach to reality, it makes too much sense. You're obviously well versed, intelligent, and above all, grounded in your beliefs. Some around here look down upon such virtues, which I deem to be part of the show so transparent and such a Pity.

I concur with your thoughts.

Thanks for posting. 🙂

best,

Cole

Cole,

I get that a lot. It's not that I can't believe in things that cannot be seen or proven in our convention sense. I found the old Black Vault board many years ago, and while I lurked more than I posted I find that many things of the paranormal to be very logical, and some not.

I really shouldn't have commented above as I did. It's too personal of an issue that I tend to comment about passionitly. And sometimes, ironically, I loose my logic when I think about the events that acured with the birth of our son.

Thank you for your engaging comments on this subject though. You too are an intelligent debator. I look forward to engaging you in other subjects.

"That's the problem with drinking ... If something bad happens you drink in attempt to forget; if something good happens you drink in order to celebrate; and if nothing happens you drink to make something happen." -- Charles Bukowski

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June 9, 2009 - 4:42 am
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Islam; Judaic; fairly all modern Western civilizations (post 19th century); the first Constitution (American)......all drawn largly from Mosaic law...and has enigmatically been reflected by Greek Philosophy via logical deduction as well: That which proves Justice isn't blind is right; sinless and Law.

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June 9, 2009 - 8:29 am
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Whatever happened to you Adam you helped proove my point. You can have all the standards you wish, and think a certain philosophy is what you would do, until it becomes some personal level. Than all these things go right out the window, because now you have to deal with the decisions. Opinions are cheap when its you telling someone else, until its happening to you, than it takes on a whole new perspective.

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June 9, 2009 - 2:00 pm
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Not for everyone Greeney, not for everyone, just those types who follow or get involved with Pink ribbons only after cancer hits close to home. Such is life, that's what makes it so interesting, is it not?

Not being critical just saying that there are plenty on people capable of making hard choices based on logic and accepting those choices along with the pros and cons that that decision will ultimately produce without the situation being or becoming personal.

Would you shun a homosexual Son or Daughter? Not until they come out of the closet, or would your arms be wide open no matter what? Yet I bet you have an opinion on another Parent, Father/Mother's situation don't you. " Wow I can't see that, would never do that ETC " " The Bible says it's wrong " Really~~That book is some set of stories!

Debate over such things is usually a one way street for most and that's the main reason they say" You wouldn't know what you would do until you were faced with such a decision " Why can't people accept the fact that some people actually do know what they would do given a similar circumstance? 😕

Take corrective eye surgery for instance. Some people love it, some would never do it because they are scared of all that might go wrong, so they fumble with glasses. I guess this means too each his own! You prefer the Steak, I can eat the Chicken. 😀

Had a beautiful awesome Siberian who developed rectal cancer, vicious vicious experience not only for me but for my pet. I put him down after it was clear that the surgery didn't do anything to make him the least bit better. Tough choice, doing the right thing, despite the pain, IS NEVER A TOUGH CHOICE for well grounded people 😉 I cried like a baby when I dug the hole to bury him outback and miss him to this day but I've never ever questioned whether or not I did the right thing.

The only thing you truly ever know in this life is that YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW! Only your character can truly guide you, that from within absent the facade of what SOCIETY and the pressures of such say you should be given certain circumstance. I will never bend to such BS!

I rest my case!

Cole

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June 9, 2009 - 2:07 pm
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I think everything is connected to experiences you have had.
Personally, the less you have seen of the world and of the different types of people the less you know.

Completly stupid however is when someone only wants to live in their own little world without wanting to know how the real world functions at all.

For example the pope, has he ever ever met and spent a day with a gay guy?
No absolutely not, and so he doesn´t know a god damn thing other than what he sees and worse he doesn´t want to change his mind as most humans do. 🙄
Atleast I`ve spent my days with very very different people over the years,religious,gays,disabled you name it.

Truth doesn´t control you, you control it...

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June 9, 2009 - 2:10 pm
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When it comes to abortion however, It´s the woman´s choice, end of story. 👿
I don´t give a rat´s ass what anyone thinks about it, her decision is the only valid one in the end.

Truth doesn´t control you, you control it...

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June 9, 2009 - 2:30 pm
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For example the pope, has he ever ever met and spent a day with a gay guy?

I quite sure he spends most of his time in the company of gay men! Every waking moment, unless they keep him in some sort of special cage or something, only to let him out for photo ops and such. 😉

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June 9, 2009 - 2:35 pm
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😆 😆 😆
Maybe, who knows? 😆 😉

Truth doesn´t control you, you control it...

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I think everything is connected to experiences you have had.
Personally, the less you have seen of the world and of the different types of people the less you know.

Impossible to disagree with the above in any way, shape, or form, it's damn spot on and 100% FACT.

I love the question usually posed by my wife when she's ignorant of something in general: " Why do it that way, what's difference does it make ?"~~ 😯 Laugh Oh if only she would learn through the process of trial and error and REMEMBER IT. 🙄

I have too many stories that validate the above quote and not nearly enough time to post them.

A common experience is travel by car. Once I go somewhere, anywhere by vehicle I remember without fail how to get back without a map of any kind, semi-photographic memory helps but I can't imagine people not being able to do the same. Pay attention, but that is impossible for some.

Hail storms, Laugh Laugh Laugh Stay in your vehicle, a life experience that played out in Kansas. Huge T, Storm caused us to pull over/off the road, hell you couldn't see anything for the rain. I was afraid of getting rear ended so I pulled off behind a car with Mass, plates Laugh Laugh When the hail the size of golf balls started falling the idiot in front gets out with his camera and starts snapping shots. He takes one on the bean, instant blood and down to his knees he goes.

After the storm passed and the hail stopped I got out to check on the guy, he had a pretty good lump and broken skin from the strike. He asked if I saw it, I just chuckled. He said I never imagined hail could do that to which I said, " yeah, amazing isn't it " Laugh Laugh

Further he says " What's it look like " " Oh you'll be okay just put some ice on it for the swelling " Laugh Laugh Laugh

I remember it like it was yesterday and it's been year and years ago. I-70 west just outside Hays~

Yes life experience can teach you everything if you're willing to learn from it.

Cole

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June 9, 2009 - 6:54 pm
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Impossible to disagree with the above in any way, shape, or form, it's damn spot on and 100% FACT.

I love the question usually posed by my wife when she's ignorant of something in general: " Why do it that way, what's difference does it make ?"~~ Oh if only she would learn through the process of trial and error and REMEMBER IT.

Great example of how maybe there are more than one perspective and maybe an even better way to do things, instead of the one way that works for you. Its about being open minded and listening sometimes, and not thinking you know the only way.

Expericences are always learning. but new experiences may alter what you always thought before was right or the only answer.

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