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February 28, 2010 - 11:18 am
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Taking a cue from the at1with0/Khanster position on proof to ascertain truth, of ANYTHING, we have to consider the illusionary aspect of human perception and that an expanding understanding gives an expanding "truth" from which there can be NO definitive proof to ascertain truth. It is a moving picture.

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Malai5

THE EXPANDING TRUTH

7th July, 2005.

What you know to be the Truth now, is all you know at that point.
The Truth will still evolve from that point.
It is taken beyond its fixity at that point of knowing.

Once a Truth is realized, it is obsolete at that point. The Truth then becomes expanded; it encompasses everything and at that point evolves.

What you do not know is apt, as it comes before the Truth.

Truth is only known when you allow for that Truth to be received in the way of “not knowing”.

See this as a blank canvas waiting to be painted. Once the painting begins it will unfold and emerge if you allow it. To be that BLANK canvas in the self is what comes before Truth. It is the beginning of what is about to unfold, evolve.

When there is fixity of a perceived truth it stops the evolutionary truth proceeding forward. When you perceive one way what you think to be truth, it allows for that perception to become your truth. When a perceived truth is acted upon it sets up the ‘lesson’ until that perceived truth is seen.

This is so.

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February 28, 2010 - 5:32 pm
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so, at least at our human level of consciousness, our POV, "Truth" is a process..continunely unfolding.

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Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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February 28, 2010 - 7:17 pm
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"bionic" wrote: so, at least at our human level of consciousness, our POV, "Truth" is a process..continunely unfolding.

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Sounds perfect for situational ethics.

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March 1, 2010 - 12:00 am
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The change of all possible changes can also change, so there is no ultimate change - that can be said to be the utmost unchangeable change.

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March 1, 2010 - 1:34 am
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"khanster" wrote: The change of all possible changes can also change, so there is no ultimate change - that can be said to be the utmost unchangeable change.

Very true....now if we could all just begin to even perceive one change. Laugh
Thats sometimes the goal right? 😉

Now thats better for my current vocab. :mrgreen:

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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March 1, 2010 - 1:51 am
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"malai5" wrote: What you know to be the Truth now, is all you know at that point.

So connect the dots. Move from one point of consciousness to the next, with less delay of thinking about why you are thinking about what you are thinking about....because you already know. I can just imagine dropping a fizzy thing in the water and watching it dissipate...ahhhh what the microcosms can do...I wanna ride with the flow.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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March 1, 2010 - 3:37 am
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"malai5" wrote: Taking a cue from the at1with0/Khanster position on proof to ascertain truth, of ANYTHING, we have to consider the illusionary aspect of human perception and that an expanding understanding gives an expanding "truth" from which there can be NO definitive proof to ascertain truth. It is a moving picture.

I think that is a mischaracterization.

"at1with0" wrote: Then again, a proof of the truth of a belief is just ultimately necessarily based on assumption.

Aristotle helped create a world that many people still live in. It is a world where there is no truth unless there is proof.

What is the tool or method for ascertaining truth? Proof is trapped within an inherent circularity.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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March 1, 2010 - 7:46 am
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"at1with0" wrote:

Proof is trapped within an inherent circularity.

True inside the circle but uncertain outside the circle.

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March 1, 2010 - 8:00 am
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How far you can see, are the reins in which you can travel.
You can see something, but you also have to get there.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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March 1, 2010 - 4:42 pm
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"khanster" wrote: [quote="at1with0"]

Proof is trapped within an inherent circularity.

True inside the circle but uncertain outside the circle.

Outside the circle, there still is a circle.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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