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March 11, 2010 - 12:39 pm
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What has truth got to do with anything???

Everything.
When people read things like Droids and Beings, I believe it is useful to know whether the truth is that there are droids and beings. For example. If the material is neither true nor false, then what's the difference between reading the material and reading a fascinating story about Luke Skywalker?

Your truth, is your TRUTH.
My truth, is my TRUTH.
Your truth is different to my truth.
Your truth changes day to day, just as my truth changes day to day.

What's really going on is that we become increasingly and/or decreasingly aware of truth. Unconditional truth is dependent on neither of us, nor anyone else. Unconditional truth does not depend on anything.

Your truth is just different to what your truth used to be when you were younger.
You now speak a different truth. It’s all about learning, that’s all.

Moving goal posts.

My truth is totally different to what I once used to believe.

Belief in something does not make it true. Your belief or lack of belief does not affect unconditional truth or lack thereof. What really happened to you is that you became more (or less) aware of unconditional truth as time passed.

My truth is that unconditional truth exists. My truth is that there is truth bigger than I and independent of I.
Since unconditional truth exists, what I said in my previous post all applies to you and the material. Keep in mind that the conclusion is not unconditional.

Still the Truth, as this is evolving for you to become aware of more of the Truth.

Exactly.

When I say 'my truth' I will be meaning, 'the truth I am currently aware of'.

This is all relatively "3d paradigm" stuff.

On the other hand... Perhaps (2) is more "true" than (1):
(1) I will believe it when I see it.
(2) I will see it when I believe it.

Ultimately, I do find myself accepting (2). That means that to some extent, our beliefs influence our perception and perspective. Of course. When someone believes the material, that influences their perception and perspective. If the material is not unconditionally true, then how can anyone trust perceptions and a perspective based on said material?

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="malai5"]
What has truth got to do with anything???

Everything.
When people read things like Droids and Beings, I believe it is useful to know whether the truth is that there are droids and beings. For example. If the material is neither true nor false, then what's the difference between reading the material and reading a fascinating story about Luke Skywalker?

You are asking for the impossible, you are trusting that you will be told the truth.
Why not just not rely on what you read, or are told and just ues your intuition to give you the answer.
Then you don't need to trust anyone or anything be it materail or otherwise as you will trust your intuition, you.

Your truth, is your TRUTH.
My truth, is my TRUTH.
Your truth is different to my truth.
Your truth changes day to day, just as my truth changes day to day.

What's really going on is that we become increasingly and/or decreasingly aware of truth. Unconditional truth is dependent on neither of us, nor anyone else. Unconditional truth does not depend on anything.

There is no such thing as unconditional truth in a conditional world.

Your truth is just different to what your truth used to be when you were younger.
You now speak a different truth. It’s all about learning, that’s all.

Moving goal posts.

My truth is totally different to what I once used to believe.

Belief in something does not make it true. Your belief or lack of belief does not affect unconditional truth or lack thereof. What really happened to you is that you became more (or less) aware of unconditional truth as time passed.

No, just became aware that there was no truth that was not evolving.

My truth is that unconditional truth exists. My truth is that there is truth bigger than I and independent of I.
Since unconditional truth exists, what I said in my previous post all applies to you and the material. Keep in mind that the conclusion is not unconditional.

Still the Truth, as this is evolving for you to become aware of more of the Truth.

Exactly.

When I say 'my truth' I will be meaning, 'the truth I am currently aware of'.

This is all relatively "3d paradigm" stuff.

On the other hand... Perhaps (2) is more "true" than (1):
(1) I will believe it when I see it.
(2) I will see it when I believe it.

Ultimately, I do find myself accepting (2). That means that to some extent, our beliefs influence our perception and perspective. Of course. When someone believes the material, that influences their perception and perspective. If the material is not unconditionally true, then how can anyone trust perceptions and a perspective based on said material?

Why would you "trust" your perceptions over your intuition???

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"malai5" wrote: You are asking for the impossible, you are trusting that you will be told the truth.
Why not just not rely on what you read, or are told and just ues your intuition to give you the answer.
Then you don't need to trust anyone or anything be it materail or otherwise as you will trust your intuition, you.

Thanks, that clears something up. It's hard for me to trust my intuition sometimes, for personal reasons. Let's just say that there are parts of me that masquerade as intuition.

There is no such thing as unconditional truth in a conditional world.

I'm not even going to go there. You know what I feel like writing... My intuition disagrees.

No, just became aware that there was no truth that was not evolving.

That is correct in many cases but the truth would seem to be evolving if I were evolving, ie, being increasingly aware of the truth. So there are two variables: the informer and that which is informed.

If the material is not unconditionally true, then how can anyone trust perceptions and a perspective based on said material?

Why would you "trust" your perceptions over your intuition???

A lot of the time, I don't trust anything. I have my reasons. These reasons may have been valid for a time but not any longer. For me it is like learning again how to ride a bike, using and being aware of my intuition, after a long time without practice.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="malai5"]You are asking for the impossible, you are trusting that you will be told the truth.
Why not just not rely on what you read, or are told and just ues your intuition to give you the answer.
Then you don't need to trust anyone or anything be it materail or otherwise as you will trust your intuition, you.

Thanks, that clears something up. It's hard for me to trust my intuition sometimes, for personal reasons. Let's just say that there are parts of me that masquerade as intuition.

If you know that there are parts of you that "masquerade" as intuition then you know what that feels like when it happens. The difference in feeling between that and the genuine intuition is for you to work on to know the difference.

There is no such thing as unconditional truth in a conditional world.

I'm not even going to go there. You know what I feel like writing... My intuition disagrees.

No, just became aware that there was no truth that was not evolving.

That is correct in many cases but the truth would seem to be evolving if I were evolving, ie, being increasingly aware of the truth. So there are two variables: the informer and that which is informed.

You would not become "increasingly aware of the truth". You will become increasingly aware of the lie. That is happening in you so you ARE evolving.

If the material is not unconditionally true, then how can anyone trust perceptions and a perspective based on said material?

Why would you "trust" your perceptions over your intuition???

A lot of the time, I don't trust anything. I have my reasons. These reasons may have been valid for a time but not any longer. For me it is like learning again how to ride a bike, using and being aware of my intuition, after a long time without practice.

You don't have to trust anything outside of you as long as you trust you.

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"malai5" wrote: If you know that there are parts of you that "masquerade" as intuition then you know what that feels like when it happens. The difference in feeling between that and the genuine intuition is for you to work on to know the difference.

Indeed.

You would not become "increasingly aware of the truth". You will become increasingly aware of the lie. That is happening in you so you ARE evolving.

Thanks, that sounds positive. What's the difference between increasing awareness of truth versus increasing awareness of what is not truth?

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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="malai5"]If you know that there are parts of you that "masquerade" as intuition then you know what that feels like when it happens. The difference in feeling between that and the genuine intuition is for you to work on to know the difference.

Indeed.

You would not become "increasingly aware of the truth". You will become increasingly aware of the lie. That is happening in you so you ARE evolving.

Thanks, that sounds positive. What's the difference between increasing awareness of truth versus increasing awareness of what is not truth?

As there is only "relative" truth as such in a 3D paradigm, what masquerades as "truth" will be increasingly seen as the masquerade it is.
Afterall, what could you expect in an illusionary world.

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As there is only "relative" truth as such in a 3D paradigm, what masquerades as "truth" will be increasingly seen as the masquerade it is.

I would agree, yet it is possible to not be bound by a 3D paradigm. From your personal experience would you say that you are bound by a 3D paradigm?

Afterall, what could you expect in an illusionary world.

The "truth" of the statement "a world is an illusion" also evolves.
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Suddenly I find myself questioning this popular notion that many or all of our experiences stem from illusions.

I have perceived a sort of illusion before; something nearly tangible and markedly present. When I looked around, everything seemed to be made of smoke and mirrors. Like a soap opera set with all the accouterments like curtains and beds, if you were on such a set you could get the impression that no one lives here, that this is an invention of some thing.

In those perceptions, I could say that the illusions are not strictly speaking illusions per se, as they are as present and tangible as anything; more like a spectrum ranging from that which is discovered to that which is invented. I am not aware of the entirety of reality. In that sense, I am often discovering previously unknown aspects of reality. Like the wheels, I can invent my way of looking at reality which effectively changes my reality. Sometimes this process of invention occurs without having conscious awareness of intent, if you will.

Inventions (what is popularly called illusions) and discoveries (what could be called genuine perceptions of reality) are both equally real, they are just two modalities of perception, as well as what is between invention and discovered.

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"at1with0" wrote:

As there is only "relative" truth as such in a 3D paradigm, what masquerades as "truth" will be increasingly seen as the masquerade it is.

I would agree, yet it is possible to not be bound by a 3D paradigm. From your personal experience would you say that you are bound by a 3D paradigm?

By the very act of seeing the illusion around you means that you are not "bound by it".
By the very act of seeing your 3D little self and it's "bound" actions and reactions means that you are seeing from another position and as such not bound to the illusion. Still in it, mind, but not really totally of it any more.
It's a process of seeing more as you "look" through eyes that are not totally limited by learned behaviour.

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"malai5" wrote: The perception and understanding of any communication is seen and understood through the "filter" of individual experience, not generic experience.

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Malai5

THE TRUTH HAS BEEN LOST IN TRANSLATION

12th December, 2004

When dealing with a 3D understanding of ‘truth’, then recognise that the ‘truth’ will always be subject to a translated perception of that truth. The ‘truth’ has been lost well before it can ever be translated. When one is trying to ‘shore up’ a perceptible truth in oneself, first, and deal with what wants to be seen in ‘knowledge’ form within the self, then understand the 3D self has already begun to translate the truth.

3D truth has no basis to it, as there are variables and perceptions to boot. When putting out a truth of self, or perceived truth of a situation, then all has been lost.

Perhaps the word ‘translation’ is nearer to the truth, than the word ‘truth’ itself.

Truth is a very powerful word and it carries with it many diverse selves.

Truth can seek revenge.
Truth can turn the tides
Truth can calm the waters.
Truth can make the unashamed, shamed
Truth can make you run.
Truth can make you hide.
Truth can set you free.

When translating this ‘truth’, be sure to observe your own perceptions, as what you translate will be lost.

Truth only exists in a 3D world. It is a 3D trait. It is a 3D way.

When you recognise that the truth is only a perception and doesn’t have any 5D meaning associated with it, then you will start to understand, how “lost the truth has been in translation”.

This is so.

M.A.M.

malai5 and others,

This quote above is very strange to me. I say this because there is 4D not just 3D. This is known by people who can think outside the box of what passes for man made intelligence and wisdom of today...and even yesterday.

The physical world of which we know is height, width and breadth. The fourth plane is the plane which cannot be measured by man made tools per se. The spiritual realm. The spiritual realm sees the first three..the 3D if you like. The fourth dimension properly trained allows one to see behind each or every of the 3D parameters..behind to the motive and methods the rationale behind the 3D.

This is not usually covered in most of man made education and thinking..public schooling if you like.

There are people out here who are very well versed in the 4D disciplines and can see things not ordinarily seen by most peoples stuck in only the physical....the 3D.

The fourth dimension is the spiritual.

One more thing....about the word...Truth.

To those in the know..Truth ...is a person..not an idea or a concept.

This knowledge is often very very foreign to those only with 3D.

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Orangetom, the "Spiritual" is not a dimension per se, but a part of the 3D paradigm.

The Terms 3D and 5D are used to deliniate evolutionary paradigms and are not physical definitions.

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