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THe Truth Has Been Lost in Translation
March 11, 2010
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The perception and understanding of any communication is seen and understood through the "filter" of individual experience, not generic experience.

I have always felt that way about channeled information, especially.
Whatever you receive goes through your filters..your precioncieved notions, etc..(as 'the whole is the sum of it's parts'..we are the sum of ours and of all we have experienced)

The same has been said of remote viewing (psychic information, in general)

And, as you pointed out, it is how it is with every experience, really.

We all have our own filters and perceptions of what we are perceiving.

This is a silly sorta example..but it's what I got:
I do hair and make-up. I am a big fan of "bring me in a picture" for clients because 'your/their idea' of big hair, smokey eyes, etc.. may be very different form what 'my idea' is.

The blind men and the elephant analogy comes to mind.

We all bring our own unique histories and such to whatever we percieve.

It's all relative..infinate perceptual 'vantage points', we are

'God' must find that very entertaining, to say the least..or maybe just distracting?

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

March 11, 2010
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Hi,

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Item7- I agree almost entirely, however our personal relationship with GOD, has everything to do with everything. It is not something that we are meant to see as only 'GOD and I', with the rest of the world separated from that connection, wouldn't you say? And what is inspired by the holy spirit is not of manly nature....absolutely not. It is divine.

I think our personal relationship with God definitely affects the way we relate to the world and everything of the world. However I believe we need to be in the world, but not of it as the bible tells us. So, yes I believe we must separate ourselves from the world.

The bible says God created everything, new age philosophy says all creation is God. There is a subtle but important difference in the two. I do not worship things of this world, such as grass or rocks, the moon, crystals, etc... and I do not put my faith in them like some do with angels, Ouija boards, spirits, etc... but rather I worship the creator of all.

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March 11, 2010
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"malai5" wrote: sandra, your acceptance of the stories of the life of jesus and the swing that is given to them is a belief validated by a belief and that is fine but lets not see it as more or less than that.

Same as can be applied to you.

You were not there to witness that life so it is your chosen way of seeing it or believing what you have read about that life that gives you your belief and your validation of your belief.

Lets get something straight as well- you don't say these things with certainty, that I am sure of. It is not what I read about whatsoever that validates my beliefs. You are making assumptions of my 'christian' faith.

The degree of humanity contained in the "words" of jesus only reflect the same humanity of others that predated him.

Personally I believe you have fear in the way of understanding Jesus in a truthful sense- because you don't.

These common sense rules for the survival of a species have been the very reason that humans have survived at all.
The Multiverse is an evolutionary process that carries inherent failsafes to ensure it's evolutionary nature. These same processes can be seen in the animal kingdom as well.
Jesus and others are just figureheads that from time to time emphasise what is in effect a natural survival/evolutionary process that is part of the Multiverses that make up the 3D paradigm.

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What do you call yourself malai5?

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March 11, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: [quote="malai5"]sandra, your acceptance of the stories of the life of jesus and the swing that is given to them is a belief validated by a belief and that is fine but lets not see it as more or less than that.

Same as can be applied to you.

sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

You were not there to witness that life so it is your chosen way of seeing it or believing what you have read about that life that gives you your belief and your validation of your belief.

Lets get something straight as well- you don't say these things with certainty, that I am sure of. It is not what I read about whatsoever that validates my beliefs. You are making assumptions of my 'christian' faith.

I am making no assumptions about your faith, just the basis for it.

The degree of humanity contained in the "words" of jesus only reflect the same humanity of others that predated him.

Personally I believe you have fear in the way of understanding Jesus in a truthful sense- because you don't.

I have no need to fear anything.

These common sense rules for the survival of a species have been the very reason that humans have survived at all.
The Multiverse is an evolutionary process that carries inherent failsafes to ensure it's evolutionary nature. These same processes can be seen in the animal kingdom as well.
Jesus and others are just figureheads that from time to time emphasise what is in effect a natural survival/evolutionary process that is part of the Multiverses that make up the 3D paradigm.

Cheers

Malai5

What do you call yourself malai5?

I call myself the name that was given to me, Malai.

Cheers

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March 11, 2010
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"malai5" wrote: sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

What is the reason for disseminating a set of words that you don't believe?

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March 11, 2010
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"malai5" wrote: sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

What do you define 'to seek'? Because your above statement sounds no different than from what I hear of Atheists. Atheists have no admitted 'belief' in the material they access concerning things of a religious/spiritual/universal manner, yet within their minds they consistently channel the information and process things of the nature in relation to previous information still known to them.

I am making no assumptions about your faith, just the basis for it.

Just the basis for it? Oh cmon! What are the basis for my beliefs then?

I have no need to fear anything.

I have no need to get into that.

I call myself the name that was given to me, Malai.

Cheers

Malai5

I think you should give Jesus a second chance, I think you cannot move past some of the 'negative' 3d'ish judgements that have been associated to his physical life.

Almost everything I have read that you have channeled I could pull from scripture.
And I understood the things written in scripture before I ever opened a bible.

Which leads me to believe there are other things that stand in the way of you not being capable of seeing some of those truths, rather you see the bible as something outdated?

You post alot of writings from many years ago, when do we decide it no longer applys?
It no longer is the truth we need?

What are the purposes for these channelings?

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 11, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="malai5"]sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

What is the reason for disseminating a set of words that you don't believe?

I neither believe, nor disbelieve.
It is my position to be the messenger, that is all. As a messenger it is not a requirement to believe in the material, just in the role as messenger.
The material is not mine, I do not own it, it is not for me, it is for others.

Cheers

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March 11, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: [quote="malai5"]sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

What do you define 'to seek'? Because your above statement sounds no different than from what I hear of Atheists. Atheists have no admitted 'belief' in the material they access concerning things of a religious/spiritual/universal manner, yet within their minds they consistently channel the information and process things of the nature in relation to previous information still known to them.

I did not go looking for "Universal Material", it found me.
The information I/We receive is constantly evolving so all previous information received is expanded by the new so there is no previous information to keep bringing back.

I am making no assumptions about your faith, just the basis for it.

Just the basis for it? Oh cmon! What are the basis for my beliefs then?

Your "belief" in the words you read that sat with you that are static and definitive but difine only a fraction of what a human is connected to.

I have no need to fear anything.

I have no need to get into that.

I call myself the name that was given to me, Malai.

Cheers

Malai5

I think you should give Jesus a second chance, I think you cannot move past some of the 'negative' 3d'ish judgements that have been associated to his physical life.

Almost everything I have read that you have channeled I could pull from scripture.
And I understood the things written in scripture before I ever opened a bible.

Which leads me to believe there are other things that stand in the way of you not being capable of seeing some of those truths, rather you see the bible as something outdated?

You post alot of writings from many years ago, when do we decide it no longer applys?
It no longer is the truth we need?

The "writings" are to trigger you to see that there is more to you and the world your live in.

Cheers

Malai5

March 11, 2010
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"malai5" wrote: [quote="at1with0"][quote="malai5"]sandra, I do not have a "belief" in the material we access, I allow it to just be information that has been made available though a series of circumstances. I did not seek it. It is another way to see, that is all.

What is the reason for disseminating a set of words that you don't believe?

I neither believe, nor disbelieve.
It is my position to be the messenger, that is all. As a messenger it is not a requirement to believe in the material, just in the role as messenger.
The material is not mine, I do not own it, it is not for me, it is for others.

Cheers

Malai5

Why do you disseminate a set of words that you neither believe nor disbelieve?

The information is useful only if it is true. If it is not true, then it will lead a reader further away from the truth. You have alluded to the material as giving the reader another way to see, and that is all, but if the material is not true, then what is seen is not what is.

If the material is true, then the belief of that material is justified. If the belief of that material is unjustified, then the material is false

If one were to take your position of neither believing nor disbelieving, then that would entail that the belief in the material is neither justified nor unjustified. In other words, if we take your position, then the belief in the material is not justified and not unjustified.

In particular, the belief in the material is not justified.

Since the belief in the material is unjustified, the material is false.

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Why do you disseminate a set of words that you neither believe nor disbelieve?

The information is useful only if it is true. If it is not true, then it will lead a reader further away from the truth. You have alluded to the material as giving the reader another way to see, and that is all, but if the material is not true, then what is seen is not what is.

If the material is true, then the belief of that material is justified. If the belief of that material is unjustified, then the material is false

If one were to take your position of neither believing nor disbelieving, then that would entail that the belief in the material is neither justified nor unjustified. In other words, if we take your position, then the belief in the material is not justified and not unjustified.

In particular, the belief in the material is not justified.

Since the belief in the material is unjustified, the material is false.

What has truth got to do with anything???
Your truth, is your TRUTH.
My truth, is my TRUTH.
Your truth is different to my truth.
Your truth changes day to day, just as my truth changes day to day.

The Further You Go, The Less You Know.

Your truth is just different to what your truth used to be when you were younger.
You now speak a different truth. It’s all about learning, that’s all.

Moving goal posts.

My truth is totally different to what I once used to believe.
Just movement from one Point, to another Point.
Still the Truth, as this is evolving for you to become aware of more of the Truth.

Cheers

Malai5

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