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"greeney2" wrote: Event, you do not get the concept I just discribed because you can't fathom it as an Atheist. You do not see the differnece between a true person of God, and a crazed maniac professing God guided them, becasue you can't comprehend what the soul is. You can not comprehend that those like you discribe NO NOT HAVE DEVINE GUIDANCE IN THEIR ACTS have no souls. People who truly worship God DO HAVE DEVINE GUIDANCE, and do not do these things. Those who do capital crimes are void of God, just like you are void of God, they have no soul or spiritual being doing these acts. You, becasue you choose to deny God, and they becasue of a twisted belief system, that is not the following of God. Either way their heart and soul is absent of God. THEY ARE ATHEISTS! Beside the fact you think their is no God, its pretty hypocritical to start blaming God as a reason for anything, if he doesn;t exist in your mind.

Still, the definition of "atheist" is someone who doesn't believe in "God". So what if the people who commit those acts are "separated" from "God", they still BELIEVE in "God", and thus are not atheists. No amount of your drivel is going to change that.

"greeney2" wrote: If I'm so wrong, why did I happen to hit the nail on the head, in terms of your personal life? Its not hard to recognize people who are lonly or sad, unfufilled or lacking of Joy, and just unhappy. Sometimes its hard to put your finger on. I would listen to Tom Licus on the radio driving home from work, if you have ever herd him, and he has a ton of followers that relate to him. He is unapprochable and is definate in his opinions, in a very harsh uncompassionate way. He brushed off all the baggage too like what you said, but to the outside anyone could see "this guy is totally on empty" in the heart and soul department.

Didn't your read in my previous post that I'm not like that anymore? I don't have an imaginary limp that needs to be supported by an imaginary crutch; no void that needs to be filled by an imaginary being. I'm completely satisfied knowing that your evil/sadistic, tyrannical "God" doesn't exist. I'm not "happy" about it, I'm ecstatic. You can make assumptions about me all you want...you don't know me. All you know of me is my disgust towards the bloodshed and division that religions bring to the world (which is natural for rational minded people). You are too judgmental and I believe your holy book says something to the effect of "do not judge, or you too will be judged." So you better be careful -- you're making the Invisible Fantasyland Man angry.

"greeny2" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]I'm trying to save up and get a winnabego and tour all of Americas national forests and mountain regions, and canoe/raft all the most scenic rivers. Call me a gypsy. I've learned life ain't about riches or possessions, it's about experiences.

Alone?

Heck no, not alone. I just decided to do this about a month or so ago. This trip is about 18 months to 2 years away. I'm sure I'll find a gypsy woman by then.

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I'm sure I'll find a gypsy woman by then.

Like I said, its not hard to spot a sad and lonly soul.

I'm completely satisfied knowing that your evil/sadistic, tyrannical "God" doesn't exist. I'm not "happy" about it, I'm ecstatic.

Nothing but joy in your heart! Interresting that for something that doesn't exist, you have an opinion what nothing must be like. ūüôĄ

You can make assumptions about me all you want...you don't know me.

I havn't assumed anything you admitted to what I've observed in other atheists.

So what if the people who commit those acts are "separated" from "God", they still BELIEVE in "God", and thus are not atheists. No amount of your drivel is going to change that.

I'm trying to get your idea a person is separated from God, is any different from you who deny God? The end result is the same, you both have forsaken God. You also don't comprehend the dival about a persons soul I'm sure.

For someone who is defencsive about others being judgmental, you seem to have some definate judgmental opinions of your own, and a lot of anger with those who do led lives with God in it. Your labels and namecalling proove your hypocritical attitude. What did you expect when a subject like this comes up on a religous forum? I said nothing disrespectful, I gave my opinion, and by coinsodence just happened to strike a nerve in your personal life. Thats is becasue you radiate the emptyness to everyone, and don't have a clue you do. The reason I gave Tom Licus as an example if you have ever herd him on Radio.

You live your life your own way, but if I'm betting on the odds, I'm betting with 4-5 billion other people who believe in God in this world, and do not bring the mysery to the world either, you think they all do.

Didn't your read in my previous post that I'm not like that anymore? I don't have an imaginary limp that needs to be supported by an imaginary crutch; no void that needs to be filled by an imaginary being. I'm completely satisfied knowing that your evil/sadistic, tyrannical "God" doesn't exist. I'm not "happy" about it, I'm ecstatic. You can make assumptions about me all you want...you don't know me. All you know of me is my disgust towards the bloodshed and division that religions bring to the world (which is natural for rational minded people). You are too judgmental and I believe your holy book says something to the effect of "do not judge, or you too will be judged." So you better be careful -- you're making the Invisible Fantasyland Man angry.

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It is true, one may "believe" they are doing something "for God" or to garner a place "in heaven"....but this doesnt mean they are following the actual tenants of that religion...and usually they are not, if it involves harming or killing another person they are indeed not doing anything God has ever wished, or has been described as wishing anyway...and what most rational people perceive that God wishes....wouldn't matter either way....life isnt about doing what God wishes so much as it is about living a peaceful life and doing good for others....God "wishes" this because this is the most logical way to live....these are not "rules" handed down by some arbitrary figure.....'just because'....they are sound rules to live by which are built into the very fabric of reality.....

anyway....if a person kills another person, and then says they did it because "god told them to" or "the bible says to do so and so"....they are doing it for reasons that either involve actual PERSONAL reasons, or else they are delusional, and operating from a mindset of mental illness...either way not operating based on true religious tenants.

"our" holy wars? I've never participated or endorsed (nor has my personal belief system in God) a war against anyone. You aren't caught in my war. You are caught in wars perpetrated by power hungry people who hijack relgions for their own selfish goals. Period.

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either way not operating based on true religious tenants.

Or most important any devine guidance that tells the true believer in God, "No! do not do these things". Only the true unbeliever in God, would kill or commit a capital crime, do great bodily harm to others. They are void of God in heart, mind, and soul totally, and therefore Atheists.

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but green, of course one may, with the proper amount of misapplied human guidance, be made to be fooled into thinking that they are in fact doing the right thing....even if what they are doing seems to go against what they should fully recognize as proper.

i.e. the "christian" who bombs an abortion clinic. I'm sure these people really believe they are doing the right thing, even though clearly they are directly going against what they claim to believe in.

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I'm not saying people do not do these things declaring "in the name of God". If they do, it is a twisted and misguided inturpitation, an not a true following of God. Maybe ignorance, or lack of education, or the only thing they have been taught in their oppressive existances. No true person of God would do these things, or even think that God would want them done.

Am I to believe you sum up all religions from those like this who prevert their belief, and therefore all religions are the same? Believing in God is also a state of living, where one doesn't do these kind of act to others, and is guided by Love and compassion, not hate with no mercy. The part about the soul, these people lack. Event seems to argue any belief in God, even a false belief or false preception makes all religions the same and all responsible.

I;m saying that false beliefs and preceptions are not from God, they are absent of God, maybe this is where "thou shall not worship false Gods and Idols". Event just doesn;t want to be in that same boat with those who would worship a false God, becasue in my opinion that is Atheism. Event wants to be right saying No God exists, even False ones don't exist, and anyone believing in True God or a False one, isn;t an Atheist.

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"greeney2" wrote: Starman is on a mission. If Starman doesn;t want to believe in God, its a free world, but Starman wants anyone who does to question their faith, which is one of those things he has no conception of, like the Atheist.

Oh yeah, and just what mission would that be? Wanting others to question their faith? Bull hockey. A person's faith, is well, their faith. I could care less what people have faith in. But I certainly can express my opinion about God, religion, faith and whatever. If my posts get people to think, I think that's a good thing. If a person questions their faith, then they're certainly free to do so without any interference from me or you. What do you care if a person questions their faith. You should worry about your own faith. If a person's faith is strong enough, it can move mountains, remember?

But since you brought the subject of faith up, I have my own opinion about faith. Faith is a very dangerous and misleading word. Your faith is not a virtue, it's a vice. It's a slave to dogma, to self interest scriptual interpretations that are after all interpreted by men. I'm sure even you should see the flaw in that cozy little arrangement. Faith in it's Alice and Wonderland way, measures itself the only way it can, by lack of evidence. The less evidence there is, the more faith is required. A nice little setup. The more faith one has, the the closer s/he gets to sainthood. Just by reading your attacks, accusations, and false interpretations about atheists, directed at e_v and myself, I can see you're almost there. Yep, you're an expert in the unknowable.

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faith is not a vice, unless ones faith leads them to attack others emotionally or physically.

Why is it so hard for some folks to understand that it is a STRENGTH to be able to believe in something not capable of being evidenced...not a weakness.

Do you even understand the amount of ridicule one must go through, especially in todays society, for holding to a belief such as "God".? It is not something a particularly weak person could do.

furthermore, its getting rather tiresome hearing people equate believing in "God" as a basic concept, with believing in a particular "dogma"....not all of us out there are locked into some silly nonsensical paradigm.

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to self interest scriptual interpretations that are after all interpreted by men

That remains to be seen if everything has only been inturpeted by man alone, and not the Words and Commandments from God. So far you still have not disproven the existance of God, you only have that opinion. One thing we know for sure, opinions of Atheists are definatly only that of men.

I could care less what people have faith in.

Than why all this posting about the existance of God and Science proving God doesn;t exist?

Just by reading your attacks, accusations, and false interpretations about atheists, directed at e_v and myself, I can see you're almost there. Yep, you're an expert in the unknowable.

And how much theology expertise do you have? Even your Science level is maybe watching Mr. Wizzard on TV. Do you have any degrees in either subject??? For someone who professes "to each his own belief", you seem to have a definate message, and mission to everyone who are not Atheists, there is no God. I didn't attack anyone, I simply gave traits about other atheists that Event said he was like that too, thats not my fault. What is more of an attack to anyone than to tell them what a ninny they are, for believing in God and living accordingly?

You don't want the good name of Atheists tainted by those who commit capital crimes, I'm saying those who do are not people of God. Sorry, but for whatever reason, both of you are void of God, so you have a lot in common. Both are lost souls!

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"greeney2" wrote:

I'm sure I'll find a gypsy woman by then.

Like I said, its not hard to spot a sad and lonly soul.

Do you always have such a negative perception on everything? Boy, you must be a joy to hang around with. Just because I'm single right now doesn't mean I'm "sad and lonely". I've got friends and I also get my fair share of action. ūüėé I'm just picky about who I choose to be serious with. The compatible ones aren't easy to find.

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I'm completely satisfied knowing that your evil/sadistic, tyrannical "God" doesn't exist. I'm not "happy" about it, I'm ecstatic.

Nothing but joy in your heart! Interresting that for something that doesn't exist, you have an opinion what nothing must be like. ūüôĄ

I know that nothing is a heck of lot better than the existence of a tryrannical, sadistic/evil entity such as your imaginary "God". So yes, it makes me joyful to know it doesn't exist.

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You can make assumptions about me all you want...you don't know me.

I havn't assumed anything you admitted to what I've observed in other atheists.

What you've "observed in other atheists" can also be observed in people from all walks of life. And like I said (twice already), that was in the past. Are you retarded or just can't read?

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So what if the people who commit those acts are "separated" from "God", they still BELIEVE in "God", and thus are not atheists. No amount of your drivel is going to change that.

I'm trying to get your idea a person is separated from God, is any different from you who deny God? The end result is the same, you both have forsaken God. You also don't comprehend the dival about a persons soul I'm sure.

The difference is that an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in "God". Those people you're talking about, by definition, aren't athiests. You go to the Middle East and call one of them an "atheist" and they'll chop your head off then praise "Allah" about it, not the big bang.

"greeney2" wrote: a lot of anger with those who do led lives with God in it.

I said I was disgusted about the bloodshed and division that religion causes. I'm not angry with the individuals who are religious...they can't help it if they've got mental issues.

"greeney2" wrote: What did you expect when a subject like this comes up on a religous forum? I said nothing disrespectful, I gave my opinion, and by coinsodence just happened to strike a nerve in your personal life. Thats is becasue you radiate the emptyness to everyone, and don't have a clue you do.

I just love people that think they know everything there is to know about somebody because they read a few posts from them. Are you one of those weirdo/freakazoids that believes they've got telepathy or something? You're delusional. But hey, what can you expect from someone who thinks there's an invisible being that exists everywhere. Laugh

"greeney2" wrote: You live your life your own way, but if I'm betting on the odds, I'm betting with 4-5 billion other people who believe in God in this world, and do not bring the mysery to the world either, you think they all do.

The leaders of nations certainly do. Your sadistic "God" certainly has the knack for putting the right ones in charge. Laugh

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