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The Candid Canonist - Christian Thoughts
October 27, 2009
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If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.

- Saint Augustine

True Believers and Mass Movements
Before ending this section on conversion, I want to talk about the people who are most susceptible to it and about Mass Movements. I am convinced that at least a third of the population is what Eric Hoffer calls "true believers." They are joiners and followers...people who want to give away their power. They look for answers, meaning, and enlightenment outside themselves.

Hoffer, who wrote "The True Believer", a classic on mass movements, says, "true believers are not intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but are those craving to be rid of unwanted self. They are followers, not because of a desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy their passion for self-renunciation!" Hoffer also says that true believers "are eternally incomplete and eternally insecure"!

I know this from my own experience. In my years of communicating concepts and conducting trainings, I have run into them again and again. All I can do is attempt to show them that the only thing to seek is the True Self within. Their personal answers are to be found there and there alone. I communicate that the basics of spirituality are self-responsibility and self-actualization. But most of the true believers just tell me that I'm not spiritual and go looking for someone who will give them the dogma and structure they desire.

Never underestimate the potential danger of these people. They can easily be molded into fanatics who will gladly work and die for their holy cause. It is a substitute for their lost faith in themselves and offers them as a substitute for individual hope. The Moral Majority is made up of true believers. All cults are composed of true believers. You'll find them in politics, churches, businesses, and social cause groups. They are the fanatics in these organizations.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fundamen ... un05.shtml

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October 28, 2009
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Let me say up front that I just skimmed through it but, my opinion of what I did read is Laugh . It certainly puffs up the pre conceived opinions of the non believer, and, to be fair, it may describe some people. However, for the truly born again person, it is far from the truth in my humble opinion.

October 28, 2009
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"qmark" wrote: Let me say up front that I just skimmed through it but, my opinion of what I did read is Laugh . It certainly puffs up the pre conceived opinions of the non believer, and, to be fair, it may describe some people. However, for the truly born again person, it is far from the truth in my humble opinion.

It is amazing in these modern times that a large proportion of the population on earth
are still worshiping the One True God
Jehova
Father,Christ,Holy Ghost(the tripartite god)
Allah

I can feel the testosterone welling up in me knowing that god is on my side.

I miss Isis tho'
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October 28, 2009
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Beautiful music is the art of the prophets that can calm the agitations of the soul; it is one of the most magnificent and delightful presents God has given us.

-Martin Luther

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

October 28, 2009
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That's so true about music. Not only do I listen to music every day, but singing each Sunday is one of my favorite parts of church. It literally brings tears to my eyes at times. I love the oldies, like amazing grace.
The cannons are beautiful too, my favorite is "Create in me a clean heart". We always sing it right after the offering.

Music is probably the one thing everyone can agree on, Lol

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Beautiful music is the art of the prophets that can calm the agitations of the soul; it is one of the most magnificent and delightful presents God has given us.

-Martin Luther

"Son, you're about as useful as a poopie-flavoured lollipop"

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i find Atheists as claustrophobically and dangerously closeminded as Religious zealots....Science didn't disprove the existence of God...lets get real Earth Science is in its infant stage...We have so much more to learn and discover as our technology advances...in other words its way too early in the game imo to claim with 100% certainty there is no God...and besides if i was an atheist damn if i would be wasting my valuable time here on Earth talking about a God or thing i knew didn't exist...i would rather masturbate while eating Blackjack Tacos (with pepper jack sauce)...I hear the Atheist argument and it makes sense if you're into the New Age movement but my reasoning mind tells me never to draw conclusions based on hear say and other peoples opinions...and that goes with Religious beliefs...i questioned my belief in God with the same questions posed by atheists...and i got some interesting answers...so all you Die hard Atheists and Religious Zealots out there...open your mind to the possibility that your perception of God could be...dare i say it....inaccurate.

"Son, you're about as useful as a poopie-flavoured lollipop"

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October 30, 2009
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Well said, nativealien. Well, except for the messy bj taco visual.

I like your oxymoronic name... it's cool.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

October 30, 2009
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"NativeAlien" wrote: i find Atheists as claustrophobically and dangerously closeminded as Religious zealots....Science didn't disprove the existence of God...lets get real Earth Science is in its infant stage...We have so much more to learn and discover as our technology advances...in other words its way too early in the game imo to claim with 100% certainty there is no God...and besides if i was an atheist damn if i would be wasting my valuable time here on Earth talking about a God or thing i knew didn't exist...i would rather masturbate while eating Blackjack Tacos (with pepper jack sauce)...I hear the Atheist argument and it makes sense if you're into the New Age movement but my reasoning mind tells me never to draw conclusions based on hear say and other peoples opinions...and that goes with Religious beliefs...i questioned my belief in God with the same questions posed by atheists...and i got some interesting answers...so all you Die hard Atheists and Religious Zealots out there...open your mind to the possibility that your perception of God could be...dare i say it....inaccurate.

I wonder where you've met these kind of atheists, they sound like morons.

I don't know any atheists who claim with 100% certainty that there is no god. Atheism is the lack of belief in god, that's all. I'm sure there are atheists who claim to have some special knowledge that makes them certain in the non-existence of a creator, but they're just religious types anyway.

The majority of thinking atheists reject that sort of religious behaviour.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

- Sam Harris

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