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October 24, 2009
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"frrostedman" wrote: I didn't "stoop low" though I was trying to make a point. I'm sorry you took such offense, but this thread is primarily intended for the scant few Christians we have. Points to ponder, as it were.

If you don't know what Social Darwinism is, look it up. It's not the same as "Darwinism."

The basic premise of Darwinism is 'survival of the fittest." Social Darwinists take that idea and apply it on a social scale. To the Social Darwinist, the inferior human beings will eventually be phased out and to the extremist, there's nothing wrong with prodding the process along... since one is just bringing about the inevitable anyway... only quicker.

I wrote nothing wrong, nothing insulting, and nothing incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....he_fittest

"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase which is commonly used in contexts other than intended by its first two proponents - British polymath philosopher Herbert Spencer (who coined the term) and Charles Darwin.

Herbert Spencer first used the phrase - after reading Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species - in his Principles of Biology (1864), in which he drew parallels between his own economic theories and Darwin's biological ones, writing “This survival of the fittest, which I have here sought to express in mechanical terms, is that which Mr. Darwin has called 'natural selection', or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life."[1]

Darwin first used Spencer's new phrase "survival of the fittest" as a synonym for "natural selection" in the fifth edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1869.[2][3] Darwin meant it is a metaphor for "better adapted for immediate, local environment", not the common inference of "in the best physical shape" [4]. Hence, it is not a scientific description,[5] and is both incomplete and misleading.

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Do you ever research your ill-informed statements ❓

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

The term first appeared in Europe in 1877[2] and was popularized in the United States in 1944 by the American historian Richard Hofstadter. The term "social darwinism" has rarely been used by advocates; instead it has chiefly been used (pejoratively) by its opponents.[3]

While the term has been applied to the claim that Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection can be used to understand the social endurance of a nation or country, social Darwinism commonly refers to ideas that predate Darwin's publication of On the Origin of Species. Others whose ideas are given the label include the 18th century clergyman Thomas Malthus, and Darwin's cousin Francis Galton who founded eugenics towards the end of the 19th century.

and the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, also 😉

October 24, 2009
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MS,

Your refutation is a complete waste of time. It's based on a misunderstanding on your part. Here in America, we use the phrase "survival of the fittest" to describe all kinds of things. I didn't imply that Darwin coined the phrase.

In fact, your "research" completely backs up what I intended to say.

I hope you didn't waste too much of your time with all that but thanks for sharing.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

October 24, 2009
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"frrostedman" wrote: But looking at it from the "Social Darwinist" point of view: Hitler, the KKK, Dahmer, Manson, Stalin, Mao, and everyone else... instead of being evil or wrong... might they instead be powerless to the effects of human evolution? Maybe they represent the sudden mutations that spark the changes necessary to evolve.

Errrr...huh? 😀

Sorry Tom, this makes absolutely no sense to me, and I can only think, perhaps, like MS suggests, your statement is based on a subtle misunderstanding of evolution and the often used (misused) term "survival of the fittest".

Again, I'll state that evolution is a natural process, as a theory it is either correct, or incorrect. Any discussion on whether it is a "good" thing, or causes peole to do "bad" things is ridiculous, in my opinion.

Let's for argument's sake, assume that the theory of evolution has caused some people to do terrible things, but it is in fact, correct. Now what? Should we put our heads in the sand, pull out our Bibles, and reject it as a theory even though it's true?

If you want to do that, that is your decision, but I don't do things that way, so I don't see the point in this discussion to be honest.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

- Sam Harris

October 25, 2009
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What does the last two and a half pages have to do with the first two posts of this thread? Am I missing something? Getting back to the initial theme, Christians know they are on the narrow path when the "world" is against them. It doesn't matter if Muslims or Martians feel the same way because, to the Christian, that truth is based on the truth of Jesus Christ. None of the others can make that same claim.

October 26, 2009
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Is this thread about Christian Martyr Dogma?

Maybe Tom could quote some Jesus sayings about giving up your life(suicide)
for faith, then.

October 26, 2009
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Giving up your life, doesn't always require you to give up your life.

October 27, 2009
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If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.

- Saint Augustine

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

October 27, 2009
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If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.

Same old sh*t, different day.

I'm thinking about buying this book about Genesis

http://www.buzzflash.com/store.....views/1863

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October 27, 2009
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"frrostedman" wrote: MS,

Your refutation is a complete waste of time. It's based on a misunderstanding on your part. Here in America, we use the phrase "survival of the fittest" to describe all kinds of things. I didn't imply that Darwin coined the phrase.

In fact, your "research" completely backs up what I intended to say.

I hope you didn't waste too much of your time with all that but thanks for sharing.

I really think you need an intervention. I could be of some help,maybe ❗

Read this

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fundamen ... un05.shtml

Qmark,also ❗

October 27, 2009
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"MonarchSmile" wrote: Same old sh*t, different day.

Indeed, MS.

In fact that should be your signature so it serves as the closing statement for your every post.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

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