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RIP Christopher Hitchens
December 23, 2011
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While your interpretation may be correct frrostedman, it is just that - an interpretation. When you say "They were suggesting that the Spirit Jesus was filled with, that gave Him power, was of the devil." you are adding to what was written in that passage, essentially assuming that's what he meant.

All that was written was:

"whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

Anything you add to that, even by using other passages as context, is still an assumption. The blasphemy part is pretty easy and clear, I guess the difference is whether what myself, Event, other atheists, and probably you when you were an unbeliever have all done, is blaspheme against God, rather than the Holy Spirit specifically, according to the Bible.

I would say a slander on God is surely a slander on the Holy Spirit though, as it is hard to separate the two, no?

At the very least you're going to get divided opinions on this one, even amongst believers.

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December 23, 2011
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And on the other side of that coin Humphrey is you can not take one passage out of any book, and disregard what the book says in totality. It is called out of context. That has always been the arguement with the IG selected passsages, that it disregards the entire message of a book, and are taken out of context.

December 24, 2011
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"frrostedman" wrote: You simply said you "blasphemed." Not against the Holy Spirit. And I by no means fall into that category. I doubt you do either. Not unless you have done what Jesus warned against which is what the pharisees did, prompting His words. They were suggesting that the Spirit Jesus was filled with, that gave Him power, was of the devil. If you have done so, then I stand corrected but your simple statement that you have "blasphemed" certainly didn't suggest that and I would never assume it.

If you have done so, then by all means -- I take back everything I said.

Quit making a fool out of yourself, presuming to school me on the bible. I'm feeling embarassed for you.

Settle down. Don't get your panties all wadded up again.

Tomato/Tomahto. There really is no difference between blasphemy against the "Holy Spirit" and blasphemy against "God." The so-called "Holy Spirit" is supposedly the "spirit" of "God," and I blasphemy against your "God" all the time. You're getting overly technical here.

"frrostedman" wrote: They were suggesting that the Spirit Jesus was filled with, that gave Him power, was of the devil. If you have done so, then I stand corrected but your simple statement that you have "blasphemed" certainly didn't suggest that and I would never assume it.

Yeah but I pretty much did that in the other thread in our little discussion. I'm always saying that "God" is evil, tyrannical, and sadistic. And a lot of Christians say that "Jesus" is/was "God," so what's the difference?

And now I'm also going to say this...even though I've never specifically said this before, that -- "Jesus" used the powers of "Satan!" WooooooHooooooooo! How's that? :eh:

So what do you think now? Am I doomed to "burn in Hell" with no chance of reprieve? After all the other "bad things" I've said against Christianity and its "God," is this really the only specific thing that pushes your "God's" button? I can go out and rape babies and kill hundreds of people and still be saved?...but if I say that one thing, that's it?

Your "God" seems to be way too in love with itself.

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December 24, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: And on the other side of that coin Humphrey is you can not take one passage out of any book, and disregard what the book says in totality. It is called out of context.

No, not "any book." Don't bring non-fiction books into this. The Bible is the only book I know of that says one thing but is supposed to mean another thing somewhere else in it. It's not even good fiction.

"greeney2" wrote: That has always been the arguement with the IG selected passsages, that it disregards the entire message of a book, and are taken out of context.

The problem with the Bible is that it's written by 40 different authors. Different authors mean different views, which is why there are so many contradictions in it. Plain and simple.

Why is it that an "all-powerful God" can create the universe and everything in it, including us, but can't seem to write a book by itself?

If I created something on Earth and wanted a book written about it, I'd write it myself. I wouldn't have a bunch of apes write it for me, otherwise you get what's in the Bible -- a mess.

An omniscient being couldn't possibly expect things to go well from it.

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December 24, 2011
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"humphreys" wrote: While your interpretation may be correct frrostedman, it is just that - an interpretation. When you say "They were suggesting that the Spirit Jesus was filled with, that gave Him power, was of the devil." you are adding to what was written in that passage, essentially assuming that's what he meant.

No. I'm not. He said that in response to the Pharisees saying He was possessed with the spirit of the devil. The context is crystal clear.

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December 24, 2011
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Frrostedman,

Why do you think that (whatever experience you may have had) it was the "Christian God?" Did the entity actually come out and say, "I am the Christian God?" Or is it just a feeling you have about it?

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December 25, 2011
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I am curious, what do Athiests do this time of year?

Willie Wonka quotes..
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A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

December 25, 2011
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What do atheists do this time of year you ask? Depends, if you live in New York you probably shovel snow, if you live in Austrailia you probably turn on the air conditioner.

December 25, 2011
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"event_horizon" wrote: Frrostedman,

Why do you think that (whatever experience you may have had) it was the "Christian God?" Did the entity actually come out and say, "I am the Christian God?" Or is it just a feeling you have about it?

Depends on which experience you are speaking of. My transformative experience took place while I was debating something in my head and the subject had nothing to do with the devil. The result of that experience was I became a believer and the bible instantly became my favorite book... I couldn't get enough of it and that hasn't chagned.

Or, you could be speaking of experiences I have had since the transformation -- some of which were very powerful and others were ones that if taken alone and not within the context of everything else that led up to them--could be shrugged off as mere coincidence.

Either way, no matter which experiences you speak of, they either resulted in my faith, or solidified my faith. Logic tells me that the devil wouldn't entertain such things. Wouldn't you agree?

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

December 25, 2011
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"bionic" wrote: I am curious, what do Athiests do this time of year?

This atheist put up a tree and some decorations, went to see the family, had dinner, exchanged gifts, played games, and have a couple of drinks.

Oh, and my sister's boyfriend pretended to be Santa and gave out gifts to the terrified kids.

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