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RIP Christopher Hitchens
December 21, 2011
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It was a joke, and I don't see how adding levity to a thread turning nasty is untimely, but whatever, it's not important.

In reply to your last post I would say you're being very optimistic, seeing as Hitchens himself was just about the most outspoken atheist you could ever imagine, and he took his atheism to his deathbed. Secondly, isn't blasphemy an unforgivable sin in the eyes of your God?

I remember you and how you posted, and while it is true you were against religion and Christians, you were also not what I would consider a skeptical person. You had other beliefs I would consider way "out there", and seemed, to me, to exchange those beliefs quite easily for another set of "out there" beliefs. This is not an attack, but people like myself and Event do not jump into supernatural type beliefs as easily as those who already hold beliefs like you did.

Go visit skepticism forums, these people become Christians extremely rarely in my experience, as doing so requires a complete overhaul of the entire way they reason and think about the world. It's about as likely as someone like yourself returning to atheism.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

- Sam Harris

December 21, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: And if was just a simple as you saying a prayer for him, you are unwilling to lower yourself to help him!

If I thought it would help, sure, but I have no more reason to think that will help than praying to aliens, or talking to my toaster.

Why should I?

"greeney2" wrote: If anyone is conjuring up anything it is you. Not a single person said a word about Hell, only you and EH have.

The Bible, however, has plenty to say, as have other Christians, which is what Event was referring to.

"greeney2" wrote: Yet you conjure up "no chance of reprieve" making your mind up about God's Grace, and a Merciful God, and how billions of people are in Hell. Its all a fairytale, but you believe the Bad part of God is Real, and Billions are actually in Hell.

Of course I don't believe that. Where did I say I did?

In debate or discussion, you often assume the opponent is true for the sake of argument, and see where that leads, logically, in order to make a point about the problems with their beliefs. I'm surprised you don't get that?

"greeney2" wrote: You do not know what you beleive with your back and forth arguments. The epitome of weakness may be you unwilling to lower yourself into the concept you may be wrong.

I'm willing to accept I may be wrong, but that does not warrant me praying to a God I don't believe in.

Do you admin you may be wrong? Do you admit Islam may in fact be correct, or that perhaps Zeus is the real God? Do you pray to those Gods?

I am sure you don't, maybe that sheds some light on why I wouldn't pray to yours?

"greeney2" wrote: Good trick if you can do it, you can't see one God, now you are seeing two! Laugh Sounds like a double vision problem to me, since we all believe there is only one God on this side of the fence. Could have fooled all of us with the "Not mad" part.

You all believe there is only one God, but what you think God is differs greatly from person to person. If I were to say "do you believe in snargles?", you'd say "what's a snargle?". If I were to say a "snargle" is a hamster, or an alien, or a tree, or an 8-headed monkey, or an invisible Unicorn depending on who you ask, how could you possibly answer the question?

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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December 21, 2011
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I dont believe it Frosty and Greeny2.

Here it is ...from the mouth of babes...

FR,

I think orangutan is rubbing off on you too much with the whole "drama queen" bit. You're being a hypocrite. Both you and greeny have been acting like a couple of the biggest drama queens on the planet....it's like I'm talking to Meryl Streep and Barbra Streisand.

Confirmation...a public education...a movie and television education majoring in Babe Emotions.

Here we go again...proof positive. Some cannot think or rationalize to make a point outside of movies and television.

And then to confirm this observation EH goes on to post a picture of Babs Streisand.....a public school education.

Who is the drama queen???? Who is on the string here?? To the gods of the big screen??

And the hits keep coming.

By the way...is this scientific??? Big Screen drama???

Oh..by the way....this here is a concept and understanding which often escapes not only Believers but more often unbelievers...particularly Atheists.

by event_horizon » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:28 pm

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The thread was a set up. Hence the disingenuous "R.I.P."

Definition of rest:

1. stopping of work or activity: a state or period of refreshing freedom from exertion
2. sleep: the repose of sleep that is refreshing to body and mind and is marked by a reduction in metabolic activity
3. absence of movement: the cessation of movement or action

http://www.bing.com/search?q=rest+defin ... p=1&sc=5-8

To the Believer under the Discipline of the Gospel..the Good News..both the term

Rest and Peace

are names for Jesus the Christ for remission of sins.
They do not mean rest or peace in the secular sense.

The believer finds Rest and Peace in the Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins...for these are two of His names among many of His names.

Peace and Rest are not found in the secular traditions of men....but in Him.

One steeped in the discipline of the Gospel will notice this stark contrast quickly and often. Which is also the contrast of a secular/movie/television/public education.

One more important contrast to note here in some of these posts.

Here's hoping both of our beliefs are wrong Greeney, and Hitch is somehow able to live on, in a pleasent afterlife, away from any sadistic Gods or demons, however unlikely such a scenario may be.

and this..

If I were truly to hope for anything it is that there is no "God" resembling the fundamentalist view of Christianity or Islam, and that there are not billions suffering in a Hell. Or maybe I'm just being a drama-queen again, as is apparently the new buzzword around here.

Is atheism not more hopeful than an afterlife where billions suffer in eternal torment? Why not put your faith in a Universe where no God is out there waiting to punish you for choosing the wrong set of beliefs?

This is more of "I'm ok..your ok" I am the determiner..I decide..I put my monies in the box...I determine where I go after death. After all...we are all good people ..and good people deserve good things. Therefore ....God is guilty and God owes us..good things because we are good people.

"I'm ok..your ok!!"

The Atheism of the logic and reason of men is responsible for more death and destruction on this globe in the last 150 years and at a much faster pace than in previous centuries while by the very same logic and reason trying to put the onus on other religious systems...by a time warp technique and through public education.

What you get with Atheism is death and destruction carte blanche...literally hell on earth....it is just the very opposite on the spectrum as is Paganism which also spread death and destruction..hell on earth in it's many various forms.
It is the fruit which is the key..knowing the fruit.

Atheism of the logic and reason of men is merely more efficient in its destructive path and hell on earth than is Paganism.

And England is going down this path very rapidly now...with the United States slated to follow suit.

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December 21, 2011
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Anyone else think orangetom is a scripted religion spam-bot?

No?

I swear I could knock something up more convincing as a human being,just gimme a few hours.

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December 21, 2011
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Here's a fun game, type "public school education" into the forum search tool, see who comes up.

There's 30 pages of him, I'm not kidding.

He's a bot, that's how you can tell.

He would definitely fail the Turing Test. Someone should alert John, spam-bots are not allowed. Next he'll start trying to sell us viagra.

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December 21, 2011
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and he took his atheism to his deathbed.

None of us know what he took to his last heartbeat, and last moment. Only God and he knows!

December 22, 2011
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"frrostedman" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]Just get over yourself already and accept the fact that there are Christians out there that say these things. And I never said that you're one of them, nor did Humphreys, so give it a rest.

I'm with you on this, let's bury the hatchet.

That post was for greeny. I'm still not sure if you're being honest about the "and then some" thing. If you are, then you need to read up on your Bible.

"frrostedman" wrote: But just for the record, in post #4, humphreys did accuse the Christians on this site of being happy at the thought of Hitchins burning in hell.

I just went back and read that post and he did not say that.

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December 22, 2011
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"humphreys" wrote: Here's a fun game, type "public school education" into the forum search tool, see who comes up.

He thinks he's special because he had to get a special education. The word "special" apparently went to his head, so he condescends everyone that got a regular public school education.

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December 22, 2011
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"event_horizon" wrote: That post was for greeny. I'm still not sure if you're being honest about the "and then some" thing.

I am being honest, it's totally what I mean as I imagined myself in your shoes, demanding proof for God's existence and getting more than I enough evidence. I'm not going to play dumb; I can totally see where you would think I used those words in a very common way to suggest you're really going to pay when you meet up with God, but that's not the way I meant it and I go out of my way to avoid even remotely suggesting something that harsh and cruel.

If you are, then you need to read up on your Bible.

It's rather laughable that you would presume to school me on the bible. I cited biblical and real life evidence of why many people just like you end up beleivers. I remain confident that you will.

"frrostedman" wrote: But just for the record, in post #4, humphreys did accuse the Christians on this site of being happy at the thought of Hitchins burning in hell.

I just went back and read that post and he did not say that.

I just went back and read that post and... yes he did say that.

"humphreys" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]
After more than 10 views on this, I'm shocked that no one has made a comment about him "burning in hell" yet.

Most Christians don't come out and say that, but I bet many are thinking it.

The context you were using, which humphreys replied to, was Christians on this site who have viewed the post.

Humphreys himself didn't deny what I alleged, except to say that it was a joke. Seems you know what he was thinking when he wrote it? Do Atheists mind-meld? Are you all controlled by a hive-mind and can read each other's thoughts? Laugh

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December 22, 2011
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"event_horizon" wrote: [quote="humphreys"]Here's a fun game, type "public school education" into the forum search tool, see who comes up.

He thinks he's special because he had to get a special education. The word "special" apparently went to his head, so he condescends everyone that got a regular public school education.

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I'd say it's pretty insensitive to insult those who do have special needs by using a picture of a special needs person in a wheel chair, to mock someone's intelligence.

Sheesh, you Atheists seem to get more and more cruel as Christmas approaches. :thumbdown:

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