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January 4, 2010 - 8:43 pm
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As an Atheist, I do not think that belief in (a) god is "wrong" in any moral sense, nor do I think that anyone is stupid because of their belief in any god.

Agreed, I do think whoever it´s stupid and pure evil when people gather together for a common hate.

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January 4, 2010 - 10:24 pm
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Anyways, I certainly hope you don't anything I've said to you in that way

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mrs humphreys ,I don't take anything you have said to me that way. Quite the contrary . I enjoy reading your posts,and respect where you come from in your views, as well as they way you put them across.

I wish I had the knowledge of words that you have, as well as the skill you have in expressing yourself so well in text.

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January 4, 2010 - 10:35 pm
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Greeney...you choose not to believe and discredit what I see as truth , and that is fine. (did you read any of the confessions to the jesuits?)

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean its not true.

The story about the catholic principle is very much true , and you almost have me thinking about starting a project and finding the ones who wish to talk about any form of abuse they have experienced by nuns,priests, and people in leadership roles within the catholic churches and its school system. Sure I'd end up with more than 100 ,especially if I start with the elderly care homes and talked to the ones who still have their full mental capacities to remember. Thanks for a great idea!!!!!!!

Would you mind posting the links to the "debunkers" of greg szyminski

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January 5, 2010 - 2:47 am
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Just search his name on yahoo and it will come up with the rest of his hits. That along with just looking at his index and looking at several of them, tells me he is a fraud. When everything is so far out in left field, and the list of subjects never ends, its a big red flag of credibility to me. I dn't need to waste my time beyond a certain point. Your belief so far is based on only this persons credibility.

You want a challenge hear it is. Why don't you start a thread right here and see how many people have real stories to tell about any kind of sexual abuse or molestation they have personally experienced, that actually happened to them. I want to hear someone who can say a Priest has actually did a sexual act to them, or actually touched them, tried to kiss them, discussed a sexual act with them, etc etc. Anyone that can give an account in full detail, and has no problems with direct questions back to verify stories, lets hear it.

Has anyone actually served as a juror on a Pedifile case of any clergyman, or been a material whittness for the proscution in a case?

This will not be for stories you read or herd about, or 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand stories. None of this "I know a guy who---", or "Aunt Tillie told me about---". First hand only that actually occured to the writer of the account.

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January 5, 2010 - 6:02 am
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I'm sorry if I gave a link to someone that has no credibility to you. After reading a few things I did find that he admitted to inserting some quotes in an interview with a certain gentleman. Not sure if this is a reason to totally discount all the research of his on the Jesuits, or to take everything he says as a lie. He didn't make up the words in the interview,just mislead as to who actually did the interview, and he did apologize to the man. I'll admit it was highly unprofessional of him,but I'm not gonna discount all his work because of that. Do you discredit all the work of politicians because of one fib? If thats the case why are you such a staunch supporter of politicians who have been proven to have lied?

Anyhow ,just for the record , I don't wish to put out any false info out there,and if I do so (even unknowingly) i apologize for that. I really am about the truth greeney..just the truth.

As far as taking a poll on BV about the sexual ,physical ot psychological
abuse anyone has encountered, I think it might be a good idea.(as far as physical and psychological) Though I strongly believe that if anyone has experienced sexual abuse they will be unwilling to talk about in this type of atmosphere. This is very sensitive,and deeply scarring stuff,and that is why so much of it stays secret. It is the shame and pain that comes with this kind of abuse that keeps it so far in the closet, and to suggest anyone talks about there sexual abuse experiences out here on a forum like this is truly ridiculous to me,and shows me what little sensitivity you really have on the topic.

My brother won't even talk about it with family,so I'm sure anyone on this board who has any sense would not expose themselves to the ridicule and judgement of strangers on a website like this.Maybe on a sexual abuse website,but not here.

I will think about starting a thread about other types of abuse , by anyone in a position of authority in any christain churches, or even other religious organizations.

Wow,can't believe you'd want to ask members on this board to spill their secrets and pain about sexual abuse on this site. That shows me how little you understand about the pain and reality of it.

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January 5, 2010 - 7:34 am
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I will think about starting a thread about other types of abuse , by anyone in a position of authority in any christain churches, or even other religious organizations.

Wow,can't believe you'd want to ask members on this board to spill their secrets and pain about sexual abuse on this site. That shows me how little you understand about the pain and reality of it.

Again you miss the point. You claimed you knew at least 10 people sexually abused, and than said you could find 100 with no problem, but now you waffle and tell me, "nobody would want to talk" "Maybe I'll think about other kinds of religious abuse", but in the mean time I have my head in the sand, you call me sad a pathetic, for not believing a website the author was caught being a fraud. And you still want me to think he is credible???

If nobody wants to talk, maybe you can explain why settlements are made in the name of many people who line up at these lawyers? They talked, or actually they didn;t say anything, the lawyer presented a few dozen lawsuits, and said we can do this the easy way and settle for a few million, or we can try going to trial.

You are the one who claims this is widespread, you alone can find 10 right now. I'm giving you the challenge to back up what you think is so true and prevalant.

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January 5, 2010 - 8:26 am
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🙄 Me going out personally one on one would probaby be difficult enough to get people to trust me enough, but it would be a helluva lot better than asking people to talk about it in an open forum like this.

I probaly shouldn't have said that I could find 100 on my own, even though I know they are there(for sexual abuse).It would take alot of time to build up the trust for people to talk(most anyway)...damn...professional counsellers and therapists have a difficult time getting their patients to reveal. It took a long time for my brother to open up to his doctor.

Heres one story about something I witnessed in grade 4 as a student in a catholic school on emotional and physical abuse. We had a nun as a teacher who was very extreme in her discipline. She called a bunch of girls in during recess (not the boys),and proceeded to tell us how bad we were for playing tag outside during recess with the boys. She made most of us cry,and never said a word to the boys about it. ??? Same nun also told a young boy who had talked out of turn to go up to the front of the class and kneel down on all fours with his head facing the door. Then from the opposite end of the room she took a run at him and kicked real hard in the ass,so his head hit the door really hard. we were all shocked, and how that poor kid felt was sad for all of us. We didn't even think to complain about it.

Greeney..you believe in God right?..how about judgement day?
Hopefuly you will get your proof then.

As far as you saying the cases of abuse are far and few between....I totally disagree with you....and all your spouting off for proof will never change my mind. Quite frankly There is proof out there for some (in doctors notes, therapists stories) The first nations people here have a long history of being abused by the clergy, and my sister (the nun)has heard a lot of the stories in healing circles that are very sad. They are actually working on trying to repair the damgage caused by priests and clergy.Guess the church has asked her order to work on some kind of "damage control'. Not sure if that was a choice made just by her order,or if it was suggested by higher ups.

You will never convince me that many in the church did not know about vast sexual abuse,as well as physical,and did nothing to stop it.

This kind of smug disbelief until facts can be verified might just come back to bite you in the ass ,if you ever have a loved one who has to experience that kind of trauma,but can't prove the case in court....if it ever makes it there.

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January 5, 2010 - 8:52 am
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Everything you have justs said does nothing but proove my point. If these things happen people are quiet about it for a lifetime, don;t really remember exact details, or have repressed memories of it. One has to sort out other true mental disorders from delusions these things happened, with no physical evidence to proove it. Was it a pedifile preist who casued a life of mental problems or some other events 30 years old, with a life of disfunction. Plus an entire host of reasons why they do not come forward.

That is exactly why I contend, and you did not answer my question, with so many so unwilling to talk and speak, you don;t question the 100's being represented by the same high powered lawfirms. I believe their are real victims, but I believe there are countless people willing to file a fake claim, and lawers who really don't care if they are fake, as long as they claim they were abused. It does not make sence to me, that dozens or hundreds come forward, AFTER a conviction that is legitimate, and the line just grows and grows from the same lawfirms.

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January 5, 2010 - 11:08 am
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I think sheye you should be a bit more careful regarding your claims, I have no doubt in my mind that thes ethings have occured more or less.

But as G2 said, you have to back it up somehow espcially if you claim something to be 100% fact.
On the other hand if you say that your brother has been molested, it does give you a substancial amount of credability to most of what you say about these perverts.

Of course I do not believe in anyone in here 100% in the end as I don´t believe in anyone anyway.

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Not only has my brother been molested for fact, but my sister inlaws mother. So thats 2 people right there (within relation to my family),though I srongly suspect my moms brothers did as well.

I still believe that way more cases have never been brought to court than have been, and I'm not just talking about sexual abuse , the physical abuse as well .

I also believe that someday the truth will be revealed,where none of us will be able to deny it.

1% of priests and nuns have abused greeney ? ha!!!!! thats a joke.
Considering the nun that I had as a teacher, who was mean (and thats just in the classroom)that was 33% in my school.(3 nuns) and she was by far meanest of all the teachers I had in elementary school.

dark..How the hell am I supposed to back it up 100%??? Should I get them to come post on here? G2 and most of you wouldn't believe it anyway. Thats the whole problem ,this stuff isn't believed !!.

makes me laugh that greeney can believe in god when theres no 100% proof he exists, but when theres obvious proof of the damage that has occured to children through the catholic church he gets all smug about it,wants 100% proof,and when they do speak out and go to court ,its all for money in his mind. (won't even get started on all the baby skeletans they have found buried below convents 100's of years ago)

Like I said greeney that karma could come back to bite you in the ass someday.

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