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January 4, 2010 - 6:32 am
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"greeney2" wrote: Your links have no credibility to me, searching his name, I also found links to his faking interviews. He is just another dime a dozen conspiracy expert solvers on the internet, with unlimited answers and opinions on everything imaginable, including who killed Lincoln. Sad enough that people read this crap as Gospel, but on top of the make life decisions based on this garbage with their religion.

But Greeney, this is a view that can be taken upon religion as well!

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

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January 4, 2010 - 6:42 am
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I didn't understand the legalities as to why and what the process was that ended up with the priest being in jail.The woman who told me was the daughter of the mother who didn't want the money settlement and chose instead to see this priest in jail.

I'll try and get a hold of the woman and ask her for the legal specifics. Bare in mind I live in Canada,so that might make a difference in some of the legalities. Don't personally know anything about law ,so I'll get the FACTS from her. I know for a fact that one woman took the million dollars and started a house called Tamara House (think I spelled it right), and does very good work helping the abused get their lives back on track while seeking protection.

You don't believe me cause I know 10 people who have been in some sexually abused by priests? And that is just sexually..we won't go into physical and psychological abuse of both nuns and priests.

Your sad pathetic closed mind astonishes me.

I could probably go find 100 people within the next 10 days that have been sexually abused by priests in this city alone,and that would be just the ones willing to talk about it.

That doesn't include all the ones sexually abused by catholic teachers,catholic policeman, catholic lawyers,and the list goes on..

I don't care if you don't believe me Greeney...read the proof I sent you,,but of course you'll say it isn't proof ...blah blah blah..

Oh..By the way a "catholic" high school principle was charged after paying an under age girl for sexual acts in his car in my city. That was about 9 years ago.Worst part was his daughters went to that highschool.

Greeney don't make molehills out of the mountain of evidence there is out there to prove my claims.

You don't believe me...HA!!!

I don't believe that you don't know its true....how's that for opinion.

I might add this same kind of abuse happens in other christian churches as well, not too mention satanic worshipers and other occult type of religious beliefs. The devil (or evil dark energy) doesn't limit injecting his twisted ways to just one type of belief system.

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January 4, 2010 - 7:03 am
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There will always be someone who discredits these people. I'm sure they get paid to do it ,or its part of the whole NWO coverup. Why would more than 1 person make up the same kind of story..for money? thats why the Italian woman confessed pretty much the same thing to greg as svali did? Thats why she "jumped" off the rooftop of St.peters...for CASH??? These people in the illuminati are frightened to DEATH of exposing what they know ,cause they know what the consequences are.

As far as the mind controlled victims used by these circles,most are basically so broken they are never taken seriously and discredited.

As for tairaa turning this into some friggin arguement or point about existence of the proof of God ??? That is just downright lame and so selfserving. ūüôĄ

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January 4, 2010 - 9:00 am
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I made the assumption you were from the USA when I discribed civil and criminal cases. I have no idea how Canada works, but in the USA arrests are not made in civil trials, and criminal trials do not deal with restitution to victims. Criminal trails are based on the accounts of victims, and the payment of a bribe by the Catholic Church if that is true, obstructed the justice of prosocution, if the victim became uncooperative as a material whittness by being paid off.

Your sad pathetic closed mind astonishes me.

No! I looked at your links and I also found links to aritical about that person faking interviews. He has a reputation among some of not being legitimate. Its not my fault I found that. I also read your link a few weeks ago, where you made a claim of sacrafices in the "bowels of the Vatican", and it was not what your link said.

I could probably go find 100 people within the next 10 days that have been sexually abused by priests in this city alone,and that would be just the ones willing to talk about it.

I doubt that very much!

That doesn't include all the ones sexually abused by catholic teachers,catholic policeman, catholic lawyers,and the list goes on..

Now your are really reaching!

read the proof I sent you,,but of course you'll say it isn't proof ...blah blah blah..

Your standard of proof is not a standard that would hold up in court--what is the term reasonable doubt???

Greeney don't make molehills out of the mountain of evidence there is out there to prove my claims.

Maybe a mountain of biased opinions to sell himself with!

Just becasue you convince yourself, don't get mad when people don't accept what you think is credible. Forinstance theories about the Illuminati, not everyone is convinced of it even being real. Tom Hanks movies don't make this stuff real!

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January 4, 2010 - 10:26 am
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What about emotional enlightenment? That sounds better to me then spiritual enlightenment

It could be good, but like most things, sooner or later this will go into personal attacks whether it¬īs from you or others and a new conflict will begin.

Truth doesn¬īt control you, you control it...

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January 4, 2010 - 10:27 am
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I might add this same kind of abuse happens in other christian churches as well, not too mention satanic worshipers and other occult type of religious beliefs. The devil (or evil dark energy) doesn't limit injecting his twisted ways to just one type of belief system.

Actually humans are even worse than the devil.

Truth doesn¬īt control you, you control it...

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January 4, 2010 - 6:50 pm
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greeney...you're absolutely right about me getting confused on which links certain info is on,and I really need to improve on that.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u.....sp?ID=4088

Theres the link I would like you to read.

As far as validity to these people existing? Its hard to prove that they didn't exist. Considering how dangerous it is for any illuminati family members who want to get out,its understandable that these people are difficult to reach for verification. I'm sure the vatican would cover up any person "jumping" off the roof top of St.peters .

As far as your statement about none of these things standing up in court, there are many things that are of fact, and can't be verified enough to satisfy the courts. The cases that can be truly verified often have key witnesses mysteriously die, or people brought in that will lie in court (yes I know thats a crime ,but it happens all the time)

Do you have grand children Greeney? If so ,how would you feel if your grandson came to you one day saying father so and so tried to touch me in the shower room at camp ,and said if i told anyone he would hurt me ,and people in my family. NO proof!!...can't take the father to court ,cause its his word against your grandsons. Not too mention they make your grandson look like an idiot and now he is on the enemy list of father "so and so", as well as you for pursuing the matter. Thats a really mild example of what I'm trying to say.

The secrets and the trauma these illumnati children have grown up in, is far more serious and involves many intelligent well educated people in high respectable places in society being exposed if they actually speak out.Sval herself would not name names except for a few .

All I'm saying greeney is that just because things don't get brought to court doesn't mean a crime hasn't been committed, and in the cases that they do,just because lack of sufficient proof doesn't satisfy the court,it doesn't mean its ALL BS.

There is real truth out there (on many topics)which is often hidden..any human who can't see that is lying to themselves.

Going to finish this off by saying I hope that we all seek the truth ,and if ever it gets to be revealed (dirty little secrets and all the good things as well)which I believe someday it will be, that whoever was wrong about their view of what truth was ,will be humble enough to admit their error.
I know I would be very willing to say I was wrong , if what I see as truth was proven false to me.

Byt the way Greg Szyminski had some very good knowedge of the vatican and some of it leaders. He talks about a jesuit who left the order because of what he saw. Hw wrote much about the Jesuits but also died under mysterious circumstances. This ex priest once wrote "its hard to leave the jesuit order and stay alive" anyhow..read some of the of the links on confessions. Anyone who won't face the facts about the corruption of this order will get a rude awaking at some point in time.

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January 4, 2010 - 7:16 pm
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascen ... ing01b.htm

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Darn ,the link I sent you only has a reference to vatican ceremony, but very informative concerning the illuminati mind control techniques.

The link above goes into detail about the vaticna ceremony.

Just for the record (though its obvious) i'm really not good with computers .,,hopefully I'll improve trying to show quotes , copy and paste links , etc.

I also realize I'm not nearly as adept as most of you in using the english language to express myself in an articulate and intelligent way. I often use the wrong words ,and have alot of those words misspelled. Please don't let the fact that I'm not adept at this take away any validity to what I'm saying.

Because someone can use words well , as well as wit,they often get respected for their knowledge and people will take what they have to say as validity. Intelligence and education is not proof to me that you speak the truth or have superior knowedge above others, but it does help in the sense that people will pay attention to what you say .

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January 4, 2010 - 7:23 pm
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"sheye" wrote:
I also did not mean to imply a simple debate about beliefs in whether God exists ot not are wrong...I actually think its healthy. Its just that I feel that some members here really bash people for believing in god, like they are the superior intelligence because they don't. I see that more than I see it reversed. I personally understand if you don't believe in God and a respect your choice to do so. Just don't like being told that I'm some lesser life form by someone because I do. What "non god" gave them the authority to feel superior above the rest?

As an Atheist, I do not think that belief in (a) god is "wrong" in any moral sense, nor do I think that anyone is stupid because of their belief in any god.

I think you might be assuming that in some of the discussions going on here, the latent animosity between some of the posters has to do with the difference of opinion. I can assure you that in most cases that I know of, it has less to do with that than with past interactions. A lot of us have been here a long time, and have had numerous run-ins that quickly devolve into name calling, etc. We've got mods again (which I'm quite enjoying), so everyone is trying to play nice and stick to the actual discussions, for a change. When you're discussing things like religion and politics, somebody is bound to get offended sooner or later.

Plus, a lot of people around here just tend to get on each other's nerves. ūüėÄ

Anyways, I certainly hope you don't anything I've said to you in that way.

"It's like arguing with a brick wall, except the brick wall thinks you're an idiot, and thinks it's winning." - Humphreys, that sexy beast.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

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January 4, 2010 - 7:48 pm
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You may have a long wait for the "truth".

I looked again at your links and I do not find this person credible whatsoever, or the person claiming to have been to the depths of the Vaticans bowels. Just this interview is vauge about much of the wording and a few facts given make me believe its just made up fiction. Most important are the facts not talked about by this person if her parents took her to this sacrafice. When I consider all that, and then look around at all the other wild and ridiculas subjects he has the "truth" about. Eisenhousrs death camps, and many many other titles and subjuct that end up just as outrageously unbelievable one after another, the guy is a scam artist. If you want to believe this boloney be my guest, but other people have articals on this person's history of faking interviews, which you do not want to talk about.

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