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January 3, 2010 - 10:09 pm
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Missed my point Again? The point was obvious! You are claiming the Catholic Church is corrupt and decieving people, but at the same time have said you have a biological sister who became a Nun. Do you think this also extents to her level too? The point being, for the few that MIGHT be the way you claim at the top, is the entire Catholic Religion this way?

Not sure about obvious Greeney 😉 because I'm not sure you understood the point I was making about the catholic church. I have stated in previous posts that I in know way shape or form think all catholics are deceptive and corrupt, my sister being one. But I do believe many are decieved as to the holiness of many of its spiritual leaders( my sister and my mother both) ranging from the top all the way to the lowly priest who gets punted around to places all over the world . Many in the religious orders have very pure intention, as well as many of the followers. These are not souls intent with making money, obsessed with control, or using deception for their own gains. They are also not the ones who would turn their heads at the crimes that Jesus so passionately talked about against children. Not only would they not turn their heads ,but would never think to lie and cover up such behavior for others. The History of the crimes of the Catholic church speaks for itself. As for my little sister greeney,you have no idea how much it hurts me to see a good person bare the the blunt of blame for things she had nothing to do with, and I'm sure many good catholics whether in the leity or religious orders have had to endure shouldering the blame put on to them by others,for actions they had no particpation in and had no way of stopping. Now,if you tell me my little sister is fully aware of abuse happening ,especially by a leader of the church in a position of trust, and she does nothing to prevent it? Thats a different story. Being naive isn't a direct will to do wrong. My guess is that deep down she really questions what is apparently a contradiction of one of her vows.
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January 3, 2010 - 10:18 pm
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Greeney in regards to greed , manipulation,it happens in all religions who profess to be on an "enightened" path to truth. Was listening to how the Hindu temples in India coerce young women into shaving their heads as a sacrifice to their gods. They sell this human hair on a gobal mass market for making wigs at a tremendous profit. Won't even get started on the religions that promote Satan and Lucifer.

( Sorry my posts are long and rambling and I don't bother spacing them into paragraphs,will try to improve on this because it really does help seprate the different thoughts in a more structured way. I just get too eager to make my point and ignore the basic rules that are needed in good writing skills) Embarassed

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January 3, 2010 - 10:38 pm
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The History of the crimes of the Catholic church speaks for itself

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I guess the question is exactly how widespread within the religions all this stuff really is? People hear on bad story and the entire church is like that. You can see you sister is not part of this, nor is probably 99% of Priests and Nuns. The fact their is some abuse of power in places of the church is how much and how deep? And how much forinstance are crimes like Pedifile real, and how many are false lawsuits?

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January 3, 2010 - 11:12 pm
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I guess the question is exactly how widespread within the religions all this stuff really is? People hear on bad story and the entire church is like that. You can see you sister is not part of this, nor is probably 99% of Priests and Nuns. The fact their is some abuse of power in places of the church is how much and how deep? And how much forinstance are crimes like Pedifile real, and how many are false lawsuits?

Arrrgh ,my sister could very well be part of this if she is not speaking out against crimes she is aware of..I don't know. As far as saying 99% are innocent of any crimes of greed,crimes against children , or the coverups and denial of taking proper action to prevent such things I would bet my life that the the numbers are way way higher than a mere 1 % .

I stongly believe that there are very few false claims as in comparison to the vast amounts that have gone unclaimed!!!!! As a matter of fact I KNOW it.

I am so done on this topic with you greeney. You either really believe some BS someone is telling you , and you have your head in the sand about the real truth, or you are fully aware of how deep the corruption goes and are in some stubborn self denial about it, or (hopefully not this)you are fully aware of the length and depth of the corruption, and willingly choose to deceive others as to its validity.

Whatever the case is, I won't debate with you anymore,because there's not much point. We need to agree to disagree for whatever reasons and wait for the real truth to be revealed someday 😯 (hopefully)

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January 4, 2010 - 2:46 am
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I stongly believe that there are very few false claims as in comparison to the vast amounts that have gone unclaimed!!!!! As a matter of fact I KNOW it.

I would not bet my life on it when you know for a fact, there are firms of lawyers who specialize in these cases, and instead of justice they seek big settlements.

You either really believe some BS someone is telling you , and you have your head in the sand about the real truth, or you are fully aware of how deep the corruption goes and are in some stubborn self denial about it,
I don't think I

Whatever the case is, I won't debate with you anymore,because there's not much point.

No offence, but I don't call it agreeing to disagree, after your last words are telling me off that, "I;m full of BS, and have my head in the sand, or I've been told what I think".

You stake your life on how sure you are of this, and can not even provide the evidence to back yourself up. Feelings and proof are 2 different things, and I question the lack of sufficient proof of theories. I don't disbelieve some of what you say is true, and I do not disbelieve some of the pedifile priest crimes. I question the bandwaggon that follows the real case crimes, and have real doubts, about the ambulance chasers and deep pockets lawfirms. I also see the reasons to not say much from the Catholic Church is what any other defendant would do during ongoing lawsuits. No Comments! Lets face it, the Churches are all sitting ducks for frivalous lawsuits, juries have no sympathy for them, and historically make much larger awards against churches, insurance companys, and hospitals. Just like fenderbenders they know the awards could be big, so they settle out of court, and the awards against churches make for huge out of court settlements. A hangnail becomes a life altering injury. Thats the way lawsuits usually go, they don't want justice or a court trial, they want a settlement. Legal blackmail for the lack of better terms. That I would stake my life on being true.

We need to agree to disagree for whatever reasons and wait for the real truth to be revealed someday

In the mean time my head is in the sand and I'm full of BS??? That is what you stake your life on?

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January 4, 2010 - 3:37 am
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greeney...I myself know of 10 people who have been molested by catholic priests who have never looked to sue. Don't confuse the greed of the lawfirms with the injustices of sexual abuse as well as brutal physical abuse .Yes the greedy lawyers are out for their buck,and most don't give a ratz ass about the sufferings of the victim. I also personally know of a case locally where the priest was arrested for molesting and physically abusing 3 young girls. They were offered a settlement of 1 million dollars each by the Catholic Church, but the priest would not have to go to jail. One of the victims would NOT take the settlement and wanted the priest prosecuted and sent to prison. Well, the priest did go to prison and this poor woman got NOTHING from it. The other 2 walked away with the money,and one started a "safe house" for abused woman and children to take shelter in, and rebuild their lives with the money, from the settlement.

I'm not saying there are not laywers all over this because they have much to gain from it. I'm talking about the majority of victims who say nothing about the abuse they have endured because of shame or being made to feel like they are the guilty ones. They also want to forget the pain and have no wish to bring it back into their lives even at the great gain of money.

I myself witnessed nuns do very cruel things to children as teachers,that would put them in court today ,if the right parent decided to take action.I know of nuns who have told young children that they were going to hell because their parents were divorced!!!!!!!! A friend told me when he was a young boy in a catholic school,the nun told him he was posessed by the devil cause he was left handed? wtf???

Sorry greeney, still believe that the cases that have never and will never make it to the courtroom far out number the ones that are soley motivated on greed by the lawyers. So you hear of a few stories of some greedy lawyers and in your mind most of the abuse that is actually a FACT ,becomes false to you?

The proof is out there greeney,you just choose to disbelieve it. The emotional fear that these "so called holy people" instill in young children is just as cruel as the physical and sexual abuse.

Ok..I need to quit talking about this cause I'm a bout ready to go find one of these narrow minded cruel twisted humans and do my own kinda justice that has nothing to do with CASH. And considering the vasts amount of cash this pedophile hiding organization has , they deserve to pay out every last sent of what they own for not dealing with these sic twisted souls who feel the need to abuse children ,while they pretend to lead a flock to holiness.

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January 4, 2010 - 3:53 am
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What about emotional enlightenment? That sounds better to me then spiritual enlightenment

If thats what helps to become a better human being ,with healthier behaviors Tairaa ,than I agree.

I also did not mean to imply a simple debate about beliefs in whether God exists ot not are wrong...I actually think its healthy. Its just that I feel that some members here really bash people for believing in god, like they are the superior intelligence because they don't. I see that more than I see it reversed. I personally understand if you don't believe in God and a respect your choice to do so. Just don't like being told that I'm some lesser life form by someone because I do. What "non god" gave them the authority to feel superior above the rest?

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January 4, 2010 - 4:53 am
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Greeney ..you want proof of corruption in the vatican starting with the jesuit order? Read the link I posted Called confessions to the jesuits by greg Szyminski.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/confessions/

Now this was a catholic man who was an independent reporter who worked for the vatican. He did his homework over many years spending countless hours digging up the facts of what the jesuits were about. Start with reading his background and what prompted him to write these letters. Its on the first page of the link.

I double dog dare ya Greeney....even if you take one link a day to read on that page. That series of letters was the best history lesson I ever had.

Also if you want more PROOF ...I dare you to read this link. This ex-illuminati programmer has quite the factual and very very few of these people ever DARE to speak out. Make sure you check out all the pages via the red link at the bottom of the page , cause there's way more on the next page ,especially in the interviews.She was a teacher at a private catholic school in the daytime and this family was involved with the catholic church, but very much like the "Bush "family secretly practicing their beliefs of "enlightenment" based on the mixture of the occult and old abaylonian religions.UGH!!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ali01b.htm
If you don't take the time to actually view the proof you asked for than you're being stubborn and unfair.....or.........(god forbid)....you know way more than you let on, and you're using deceptive tactics to hide the real truth. I'm choosing to believe that you're choosing to stay uninformed...but if thats the case...don't ask for proof...and refuse to look at it.

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January 4, 2010 - 5:14 am
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greeney...I myself know of 10 people who have been molested by catholic priests who have never looked to sue. Don't confuse the greed of the lawfirms with the injustices of sexual abuse as well as brutal physical abuse .Yes the greedy lawyers are out for their buck,and most don't give a ratz ass about the sufferings of the victim. I also personally know of a case locally where the priest was arrested for molesting and physically abusing 3 young girls. They were offered a settlement of 1 million dollars each by the Catholic Church, but the priest would not have to go to jail. One of the victims would NOT take the settlement and wanted the priest prosecuted and sent to prison. Well, the priest did go to prison and this poor woman got NOTHING from it. The other 2 walked away with the money,and one started a "safe house" for abused woman and children to take shelter in, and rebuild their lives with the money, from the settlement.

With all due respect I might have believed you if you said you knew one or two, but 10 is pretty darn hard to believe. Secondly, you mix 2 different legal things in one case, and that is if an arrest is made the case is a criminal case. Settlements of monitary nature are not part of criminal cases, they are in separate civil cases. Any suggestion of a pay off or settlement within a criminal case, with agreements of no jail would in any state be "obstruction of justice and bribery". Being paid to shut up, is a crime, even if you are the victim. Civil cases follow criminal and are separate kinds of trials with separate kinds of judgements and standards of proof. Criminal is proof beyond reasonable doubt 12 out of 12, and civil is preponderance of evidence 9 out of 12. You are trying to make your point using 2 legal senerios that do not come into each others rhelm. I guess thats the long way of saying, I don't believe you!

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January 4, 2010 - 6:29 am
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Your links have no credibility to me, searching his name, I also found links to his faking interviews. He is just another dime a dozen conspiracy expert solvers on the internet, with unlimited answers and opinions on everything imaginable, including who killed Lincoln. Sad enough that people read this crap as Gospel, but on top of that, make life decisions based on this garbage with their religion.

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