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Monergism vs Synergism
December 6, 2010
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Have you ever held a perception of yourself for much longer than
needed?

Yes. For one, the perception that I was defective. I'm not sure this qualifies since it wasn't a perception of myself that I needed.

Have you ever realized that those same perceptions
of yourself were projected onto others and possibly kept
a little longer than needed just the same?

None of it was ever needed.

And have you ever
thought that those thoughts kept things in a certain
time and place for yourself and for the others you thought of??

Yes. It's like an insidious infection of reason which is the liberation of soul. My focus determines my reality, as cliché as that might sound. Have you ever had the strong conviction that what's behind the stage is what's real? You're behind the stage I perceive at the moment, for the moment, and you will come back on stage and I'll interpret that event as reading the next post. It's all smoke and mirrors. I know I'm probably misinterpreting this but in QM, from what I understand, nothing exists until it is perceived. For me, it sometimes feels like an act of creation when I perceive something.

What about the others in your life that are not aware of themselves
in as much as you are of yourself? Where does their sense of change
come from? Their sense of trusting themselves, of loving themselves,
accepting themselves. Do you make enough assumptions?

I am the source of change (and sense of change, I suppose) in my life whether or not I realize and remember this at all times. It affects those who I perceive to be individuals not unlike a rock thrown into a lake has the affect upon the water. I make enough assumptions to make it through the day but when the chips are on the table, I make no assumptions, opening up every possibility. Presently the chips are still in my pocket.

Or are you a bit wreckless in your inability to accept responsibility
for your differences.

I'm in a comfy zone where I act like I am not different. It usually works. As I would unleash all of myself at all times, I have been trained to not do so. At times a stifling choice, of course but the reason I seek to appear to not show the differences too much is that I have been hurt after showing the differences. I lead a double life (or more than double maybe). I feel my mind is dulled by the act and it's not something that I consider anywhere close to the ideal situation in terms of revealing myself at every opportunity like some streaker; I would put all my thoughts on the table for display. Where did not holding back get me?

If some people don't it does them no favors
and it does no favors for the others around them. Confusion and chaos
has free roaming in negligence.

What exactly is neglected in this scenario?

It is ok to float in outer spaces
and realms but what strength and goodness is there in living
in two different worlds.

What strength and goodness is there in living in the consensus reality?

Your burdens are not for everyone, however
we have to share some of our inner imaginings and perceptions with people
in our lives without fear of rejection, of humiliation, or even of understanding.

Ah, like how you responded to my initial post. Kind of ironic. Are you saying this for me or for yourself?

Because there are no shortcuts around these things. We don't just internalize
everything and one day everyone understands us and accepts us.

If I depended on everyone's understanding and acceptance, I would probably lose my will to live. I learned a long time ago that understanding and acceptance (simultaneously) is simply a big ass long shot.

It is a merging, a gradual merging of realities and creation.
But for some of us in our home lives and daily life to live
in conflict with our own reality to everyone elses because
we can't be ourselves is selfishness and misunderstanding of
our own life and others.

A history lesson I understand all too well.

Even the deepest things of our heart
and mind is shared through the most simplest of conversations.

Yes. (How much more simple can it get than a one word answer?)

Its all omnipotent. However many people first go through a
process of trust acknowledgement acceptance and all that sh*t
of self realizations and interactions as they connect
first from the vulnerable realms of intuitive sharing etc etc etc.

The process can be difficult, yes. I wouldn't hazard to say that I proceeded through my process gracefully, exactly, but no one is keeping score but me.. I take that back. Maybe some people keep such a score. I don't know.

That help build a new foundation. So as some people keep everything to themselves, what they share omnipotently with others is that they keep everything to themselves.

What is the point in those people not keeping everything to themselves? Most people travel the path of least resistance though the quickest way to the summit is the steepest path, rather. My question is why should those people not keep themselves from "most people"?

They have little ability to be there for others and they barracade the things
that are meant to live the most, stalling time as life around them moves on
is not good for the mind nor for the health. See alot of that out there.

Sounds familiar.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

December 6, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: Sandra,

Have you ever tried DMT, or hallucinogens like shrooms, pcp, peyote, or shrooms? It's a serious question 🙂

No I have not. Would I be open to an experience of any of them? Yes.
I'd most likely opt for the peyote.
Good questions though, as I do know many people who in the past have had great
experiences with shrooms etc

However all in all these drugs and these realms that are reached through them
are accessible through other means. Meaning the effect on a persons consciousness
etc. The effects are not limited to these psych drugs and of course would open up
different doors for each person.

What I like about you bringing this into the discussion is that -
There can always be a flipside to these things.
People have Tolerances.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

December 6, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: I don't know exactly what you mean to imply by that statement, but that was a serious question. I happen to hold an extremely positive view of those substances and how we can utilize them to disband egoism and help propagate oneness and connectedness with the universe in a profoundly spiritual way.

I'm a free supply of any psychedelic you could get your hands on. Laugh :mrgreen:

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

December 6, 2010
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Yes. It's like an insidious infection of reason which is the liberation of soul. My focus determines my reality, as cliché as that might sound. Have you ever had the strong conviction that what's behind the stage is what's real? You're behind the stage I perceive at the moment, for the moment, and you will come back on stage and I'll interpret that event as reading the next post. It's all smoke and mirrors. I know I'm probably misinterpreting this but in QM, from what I understand, nothing exists until it is perceived. For me, it sometimes feels like an act of creation when I perceive something.

With each new perception an act of creation.

Now understand that is part of prayer.

That is part of perceptions we attatch to others around us.

Grace forming.

With alot of grace we are given the ability to form and to reshape.

Perceptions again determine physical, emotional, spiritual, etc experiences.

Not only for ourselves but for all others, noticeably ones closest to us.

How much of an ability does Gods spirit have to change our creations?
How close have we drawn to Love is how far we can draw.

Here is where you are at:
You have said if you had something you would keep it.
You were telling the truth.
Because you have been sitting with a full cup.
You don't start emptying the cup and suffering comes from selfishness.
Going through phases of losing yourself is to not only find yourself again,
but to find that you have a part of everyone, of everything, that the
new creation you've become is lively, always changing and growing,
and within all things capable and currently perceived and known to you.
Meaning, you have right now, everything you ever wanted.
You have to give up some of the fear in knowing it.
And the people around you, are depending on it.
You made it man, now cut yourself some slack.
To hold back because of being hurt and to keep your differences to yourself
is a very outdated outlook for you- that has no no no need - the cause
and effects are far beyond working with the same past bs.
There is nothing that you could now share,
that isn't going to be jam packed in life giving.
We have been working on things for quite some time and for
damnit you have got to get back to that. As time has gone on
I'm aware that it appears everything is hung out, and we both
know that is not the entire case. Do not assume that I do not
know where you have been and what you have gone through.
When you go through hell, and everyone is a part of you,
how in the hell are they suppose to respond to you, to understand
you, to accept you, or embrace you. It is an unbelievably ridiculous
expectation that we expect others to understand us at times.
Be the understanding one. Know that you are already acknowledged.
That its ok to forget about yourself to care for others and know that
you are caring for yourself. And that after being to hell and back
and taking everyone around you with, the rewards that come which is
joy love peace happiness etc etc etc etc that build and build and
form new creations out of your experiences and life will be given first
to you but to all others as well. I am pushing you because
you've been lazy in what you are capable of, only because I love you,
and I love myself, and I think about the people in your life, in mine,
and just in the world in general. You don't need to concern yourself
with rejection any longer. Those things will scatter at the glimpse of
what you can share. I am moving in a furniture set today so I have some
work to do around here.

If anyone in my life appears in-sane its me. I jump from world to world
and realm to realm on a constant.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

December 7, 2010
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With each new perception an act of creation.

Now understand that is part of prayer.

That is part of perceptions we attatch to others around us.

Grace forming.

With alot of grace we are given the ability to form and to reshape.

Perceptions again determine physical, emotional, spiritual, etc experiences.

Not only for ourselves but for all others, noticeably ones closest to us.

How much of an ability does Gods spirit have to change our creations?
How close have we drawn to Love is how far we can draw.

This touches upon something that is very near and dear to me. It's actually a form of validation to know that others come to the same general conclusion. Validation while perhaps unnecessary is not such a bad thing.

When you have faith in what God's spirit can do, the limits fade.

If perception is an act of creation, then one can re-create themselves with every new perception of self. The idea that how I view myself influences me greatly is not lost on me. To view myself in one way only is like being stuck in the mud--the fixity of self-perception which prohibits an evolution of sorts.

Too much slack might turn into...laziness. Complacency.

To hold back because of being hurt and to keep your differences to yourself
is a very outdated outlook for you- that has no no no need - the cause
and effects are far beyond working with the same past bs.

What are you saying exactly? That I have nothing to fear by not keeping my differences to myself? That that fear is outdated?

We have been working on things for quite some time and for
damnit you have got to get back to that.

How?

Do not assume that I do not
know where you have been and what you have gone through.

We're probably having this conversation because I don't assume what you know or do not know.

When you go through hell, and everyone is a part of you,
how in the hell are they suppose to respond to you, to understand
you, to accept you, or embrace you. It is an unbelievably ridiculous
expectation that we expect others to understand us at times.

It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?

Know that you are already acknowledged.

Sounds like I just heard a door open. What does it mean to you to "be acknowledged"?

That its ok to forget about yourself to care for others and know that
you are caring for yourself. And that after being to hell and back
and taking everyone around you with, the rewards that come which is
joy love peace happiness etc etc etc etc that build and build and
form new creations out of your experiences and life will be given first
to you but to all others as well.

You're making it out to be that I'm a caregiver. Is that what you really think? Not that I'm denying it--but I'm not affirming it either.

I am pushing you because
you've been lazy in what you are capable of, only because I love you,
and I love myself, and I think about the people in your life, in mine,
and just in the world in general.

Thanks, for that. It's abundantly clear. That and that I should think about getting my head out of my ass. Believe me, I have thought about it. Still think about it.

Hmm.. Pushing me to do what, exactly?

You don't need to concern yourself
with rejection any longer. Those things will scatter at the glimpse of
what you can share. I am moving in a furniture set today so I have some
work to do around here.

Indeed. Been that way for a long time now.

If anyone in my life appears in-sane its me. I jump from world to world
and realm to realm on a constant.

That's all right, sanity is overrated. =)

"it is easy to grow crazy"

December 7, 2010
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It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?

Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us. Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present. It is ridiculous at times to think that others will understand
any present point or expression of ourselves if we are more presently living
with Gods will and spirit. What is so hard to understand about that?
That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God. Not to me, not to at1.
Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self. Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives. You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

December 7, 2010
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It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?

Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us. Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present. It is ridiculous at times to think that others will understand
any present point or expression of ourselves if we are more presently living
with Gods will and spirit. What is so hard to understand about that?
That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God. Not to me, not to at1.
Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self. Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives. You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.

Have a couple things to do here.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us.

What to do now?

Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present.

Highly doubtful.

That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God.

Check out the poem in Green, Arcanist Probation. You might like it. You might have already seen it.. 🙄 I think what you mean by the last sentence is written in the checks/balances stanza.
Would it be safe to say you're an arcanist not on probation??
In my theories about that, acknowledgment from one is an initiation into the whole. It has already happened, this acknowledgment -- from others, but I tend to let that sort of thing fade.

Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.

"sandra" wrote: I'm a free supply of any psychedelic you could get your hands on. Laugh :mrgreen:

Perhaps you're dead on :mrgreen:

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self.

We're trained to suffer. I have to train myself differently.


Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives.

I can count on one hand with about two fingers removed how many people I'm nearly in a position to give care to directly (in the usual sense of the word directly).

You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.

Where do you get all this info from?

Have a couple things to do here.

Sleep on it and write back? hehe I bet that's not what you meant.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

December 8, 2010
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Fascinating dialogue. 😀 I'm going to have to go back and read the full thread now.

Thou art God.

Carry on. 😎

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

December 12, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us.

What to do now?

Free up some space to live a little.
To share some good times with people.
Indulge in activities and discussions etc with the people in your life
that they enjoy. Give back some of the compassion, because compassion
has been there for you.

Check out the poem in Green, Arcanist Probation. You might like it. You might have already seen it.. 🙄 I think what you mean by the last sentence is written in the checks/balances stanza.
Would it be safe to say you're an arcanist not on probation??
In my theories about that, acknowledgment from one is an initiation into the whole. It has already happened, this acknowledgment -- from others, but I tend to let that sort of thing fade.

Ya sure seems like you let alot of things faaaaadddddeeeeee, die out.
Don't tell me what you think I meant is the same thing you meant in some
god forsaken poetry, as if that could be the case. You run around here
going oh yeah, look heres that, oh yeah I know that, oh look at me,
yep I know that too. Lets make a clear distinction here.
Your knowledge and awareness is fascinating, but at the end of the
day, what are you doing with it? And how much of your knowledge
do you take responsibility for? Accumulating mass amounts of information
without a foundation of it meant to serve Love, will destroy, it will run
in circles, it will faaaadddeeeeeee, and for someone like you especially,
it will not produce what you want it to, as it is not in your best interest
or others, it is in conflict, in resistance, reluctant to serve anything
that is of the worlds design. It will at many times,
work against you. I have pointed this out to you, because it is
important. Like I said, remaining in uncertainty while accumulating and
accumulating, taking no accountability for your knowledge, not good.
Think of those things for your sake and others.

This mathematical TOE you have been working on for some time-
Oh now this is informations you are willing to take accountability
for I see. hmmmm yes. Rings right.

I can count on one hand with about two fingers removed how many people I'm nearly in a position to give care to directly (in the usual sense of the word directly).

Lets hope you don't get thrown into this in your lack of consideration for others.
For it to be dragged out. Take time for others, for others minds for their interests,
be there for them even in simple conversations. Go out a bit, live a little more.

Where do you get all this info from?

Lets just say, what has been in the back of your mind,
your assumptions are correct. Indeed.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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