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July 31, 2009 - 6:25 pm
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"fortwynt" wrote: Yes...but you are still equating "religion" with "belief in God".

sheesh, long as you are trapped in that paradigm none of this discussion is worth squat.

I agree, all religions squabble over "who god is", many also over "what god wants", but that doesnt mean anything but that they are all idiots. Doesn't make God any less real just because people want to attribute their own personality leanings to God and transfer their own little quirky imaginings to God.

I don't do any of that....but I still say there is God.

And you are wrong....if someone believes in something strongly enough, it doesnt matter if it is real or not, to them it is and it would make no difference.

ALL reality proceeds out from "belief" to a lesser degree, and to a greater degree on certain phenomenon created in the brain/mind, in response to external (and internal) stimuli....we are not perceiving reality "as it is", only as much as our senses can perceive it, which is quite limited.

I don't believe in the concept of "Time" as a real force or thing, only a construct in the mind of humanity to be able to quantify change and movement and etc....however, whether time is real or not, it is "real enough" for our every day purposes to may as well be real....even if it isnt.

The belief in "God" came from ancient scientifically unsophisticated humanoids. All you're doing is adding your own pseudo twist to it.

Humanity started off backwards -- not knowing anything about the physical world and arriving at a conclusion that "God" did it all. Now that we're in a scientific age and can interpret reality, we should continue to do so without the assumption that "God" exists, since the belief came from primitive humans. But if believing in "God" is what makes you feel all warm and cozy inside...that's your problem.

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"Lashmar" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]Clearly you're not getting the picture here.

You're clearly not getting it either. No body is saying water is fake or F*** all like that.

Have you, yourself, seen what makes water? I have not so I have to take somebody elses word on that.

I'm not saying God is real or anything like that. I'm saying that that was a good way to put it to people with an open mind to somethings. 😉

Water is VISIBLE and can be examined. "God" is not. Science and religion are incompatible with each other and any attempt to make comparisons/analogies between the two is just ignorant.

"Lashmar" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]Which of the hundreds of different supernatural communities are you going to pick and choose to believe in?

None of them. Laugh I worship James Hetfield and no other man. Laugh Laugh Laugh 😎

Then why are you arguing with me about it?

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Water is VISIBLE and can be examined.

But that's what I'm saying. Some can examine it but not all. God can be examined by some but not all, although they are normally high on some sort of drug. Laugh

What about the things science cannot examine then? Deep space and things like that. 😐 😕 (edit: that was a real question by the way)

Then why are you arguing with me about it?

You missed the point about the argument. 😉 🙂

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"Lashmar" wrote:

Water is VISIBLE and can be examined.

But that's what I'm saying. Some can examine it but not all.

***BOOOOMP***...wrong answer. Water can be examined by anybody with a microscope and a little background in chemistry. Anybody who wants to be a scientist can go to college and then become a scientist.

Anybody who wants to "know God" first has to pick his/her favorite religion, then read the book, of which there's no evidence for any of its supernatural claims. Or, one can just fantasize about what they'd like "God" to be like, and imagine it to be true, and other idiots can believe and follow them and make a new cult.

One = reality. The other = fantasy. There is no comparison.

"Lashmar" wrote: God can be examined by some but not all, although they are normally high on some sort of drug. Laugh

On what planet has someone examined "God"? People only claim to hear voices in their heads and think "God" is speaking to them. Schizophrenia is a psychological problem.

"Lashmar" wrote: What about the things science cannot examine then? Deep space and things like that. 😐 😕 (edit: that was a real question by the way)

Uhhhhh...we've been examining deep space since the late 90's with the Hubble. Where have you been?

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Then why are you arguing with me about it?

You missed the point about the argument. 😉 🙂

There is no point. Someone made a ridiculous analogy, you jumped on board, and the ship got blasted (but you're too stubborn to realize it). End of story.

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On what planet has someone examined "God"? People only claim to hear voices in their heads and think "God" is speaking to them. Schizophrenia is a psychological problem.

You didn't get the joke did you? Embarassed

Uhhhhh...we've been examining deep space since the late 90's with the Hubble. Where have you been?

No I mean deep, deep, deep, deep space. Past the edge of what we can see.

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Nope sorry, wrong again.

People invented elaborate mythos as a metaphor for what was taking place in the natural world, it was only later on that people seemed to forget this and take many of these things literally.

And certainly the concept of some big man in the sky who fashioned people from dirt and blew into their nose is more than likely not literal.

Personally i think its very telling you give those in the past so little credit. Far as I'm concerned people were quite intelligent in the past.

Equally interesting how you wish to defend your "logic"...you just cannot admit that even in science, there is only belief. Sure water can be "felt" through the sense of touch, but you really aren't feeling what the water "is", simply feeling an effect that substance has on your skin...and besides that, many of us believe all things (generally speaking)are made up of God...so to touch and experience a thing is to experience God, not that this "God" is some separate being, man in the sky, alien from another planet, situation.

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"fortwynt" wrote: Personally i think its very telling you give those in the past so little credit. Far as I'm concerned people were quite intelligent in the past.

Immensely given the tools they had to work with.

They aligned Stonehenge with the sun and all that. 😀

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"fortwynt" wrote: Nope sorry, wrong again.

People invented elaborate mythos as a metaphor for what was taking place in the natural world, it was only later on that people seemed to forget this and take many of these things literally.

Key word there -- "invented".

"fortwynt" wrote: Personally i think its very telling you give those in the past so little credit. Far as I'm concerned people were quite intelligent in the past.

I never said they weren't intelligent, just "scientifically unsophisticated".

"fortwynt" wrote: Equally interesting how you wish to defend your "logic"...you just cannot admit that even in science, there is only belief.

Science is KNOWLEDGE, not a belief. This is information not obtained from fortwyntland:

How do we define science? According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, the definition of science is "knowledge attained through study or practice," or "knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, esp. as obtained and tested through scientific method [and] concerned with the physical world."

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/scienc ... ition.html

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"Lashmar" wrote: No I mean deep, deep, deep, deep space. Past the edge of what we can see.

The universe is relative. Matter is evenly distributed on a cosmological scale and has the same laws of physics everywhere. If you existed in the most visible distant galaxy, you'd still see the a 14 light year bubble around you, only you'd be able to see 14 light years farther than we can (in the direction away from the Milkey Way), and vice-versa. There's nothing magical about the "edge".

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My science isn't up to arguing something like that mate. Laugh

Give me music, give me women and I'll argue the tits of you though. 🙂 Laugh Laugh

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