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God Is Imaginary: Try Praying Statistically Analyze Prayer
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April 18, 2012 - 8:18 am
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Believers will understand this and unbelievers either won't, or, will just assume it's a lie. No matter.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to prayer and surely, so does any believer.

Every prayer I have ever prayed--when I am filled with the Holy Spirit--has not only come to pass, but in most cases has come to pass right away. One time I prayed for something and the phone rang not 5 minutes later with exactly what I prayed for. But that wouldn't stand on its own; there are several other instances where something similar occured.

All believers know the feeling. You can feel it when you are filled with the Holy Spirit and you know when you aren't. I have prayed countless prayers. All heartfelt prayers have gone answered, many times not like I anticipated, not as fast as I wanted, etc. Those are the ones I prayed because I prayed out of an obligation to do so but was not filled with the Spirit.

It is impossible to explain but I am being utterly and completely honest. Since my conversion to Christ, I can probably count the number of Holy-Spirit-filled prayers on 2 hands. Those were answered immediately and I got exactly what I prayed for; and I could tell I was filled with the Spirit because I could sense that my prayer was not in the form of a question, but was instead in the form of a confident gratefulness, because I already knew it was going to happen. All the others, some were answered like I wanted and as fast as I wanted, but most were answered long after the prayer, and not necessarily the way I personally desired.

What we have to understand is. When you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you are connected to God and truth. At that point, you couldn't pray for something that wouldn't come to pass, even if you wanted to, because the Holy Spirit is actually communicating through you at the same time--basically telling you this is going to happen just as you prayed for it. But if you pray and you are not filled with the Spirit--which is ok and you are obligated to do so anyway--your prayer is going to be subjected to your desire vs. God's will and the prayers of all those around you which may be in direct conflict with what you pray for.

Does that make sense?

Like I said, the believers will say, "Yep, I know what you mean," and the unbelievers will discard this as utter nonsense if not an outright lie.

As an aside, Jesus laid hands on the apostles which permanently filled them with the Holy Spirit. What an amazing thing, eh? You believers out there--you know the feeling. That supremely confident, euphoric, powerful, Nirvana-ish feeling... which comes to us sparingly and fleetingly. Imagine feeling like that all the time! Wow. That's why their words are considered God-inspired and inerrant. They were permanently connected with God and truth and couldn't have lied, erred, or acted against the will of God... even if they wanted to.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

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April 18, 2012 - 8:48 am
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I can picture the Atheists thinking, "Ok great! So if you're filled with this Holy Spirit thingy, you get anything you want? Cool! Then the next time you are 'filled with the Spirit-thingy' you should squeeze in a request for ten million dollars before you end the prayer!"

I'm sorry, but, it just doesn't work that way. When you are filled with the Spirit, you aren't even in complete control of your thoughts, because you are under the power of God. You change from a human being just asking for something to come to pass, to a subject of God who is connected to God through the Holy Spirit, and is just receiving the truth of what is going to transpire, and verbally repeating it in the form of a prayer in the name of Christ. Think of it as a string of Christmas lights praying to be turned on. Mehhhh, their prayer may go answered eventually. But if the string of lights is plugged in, then they no longer ask to be turned on, but instead know that it has or will come to pass. As a believer, you just have to be "plugged in." And that's the job of the Holy Spirit and it is not something that we can consciously control.

It's impossible to fully and satisfactorily explain and you just won't understand until you live it. And I hope you all do get to live it because that will inevitably mean you joined the family. God bless.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

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Your "God" supposedly has a "divine plan." You're suggesting that "God" changes "His plans" just because you ask "Him" to. Do you really think you're that special?

Maybe next time I'm at work I'll ask my boss if we can get a stripper pole in the lobby...I'm sure that'll go over real well -- he likes me and will do anything I ask, because I'm special. :drool:

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"event_horizon" wrote: Your "God" supposedly has a "divine plan." You're suggesting that "God" changes "His plans" just because you ask "Him" to. Do you really think you're that special?

Maybe next time I'm at work I'll ask my boss if we can get a stripper pole in the lobby...I'm sure that'll go over real well -- he likes me and will do anything I ask, because I'm special. :drool:

This is an attack on a straw god.

A plan can be conditional, like a program with if/then/else statements.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]Your "God" supposedly has a "divine plan." You're suggesting that "God" changes "His plans" just because you ask "Him" to. Do you really think you're that special?

Maybe next time I'm at work I'll ask my boss if we can get a stripper pole in the lobby...I'm sure that'll go over real well -- he likes me and will do anything I ask, because I'm special. :drool:

This is an attack on a straw god.

A plan can be conditional, like a program with if/then/else statements.

god is supposed to know what's in our hearts ... he'd know if you were
joking , sarcastic or just being quizzical . if/ then/ else is
multidimensional and subject to be acted on ? a crossroads not difinitve . e.v. might be correct
'if its in gods plan for you to have a stripper pole '

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April 19, 2012 - 3:17 am
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The decision has already been made Laugh

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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:shh: I think somebody here bought one of these:

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"event_horizon" wrote: Retarded people can't distinguish the difference between reality and fiction -- that doesn't mean fiction is real.

True.

It's still a contradiction to your statement that "God isn't Superman or a genie."

No it isn't because genies are supposed to grant you anything you want, not give you what they think you need. And Superman just flies around and saves people for the sake of saving people.

But God had and has a specific plan in mind. He wanted to provide a way for us to reconsile our relationship with Him, and to teach us what He wants from us. He just so happened to do this through the people and events that the Bible talk about. His goal wasn't to arbitrarily rescue people or to grant every person's wish.

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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="event_horizon"]Your "God" supposedly has a "divine plan." You're suggesting that "God" changes "His plans" just because you ask "Him" to. Do you really think you're that special?

Maybe next time I'm at work I'll ask my boss if we can get a stripper pole in the lobby...I'm sure that'll go over real well -- he likes me and will do anything I ask, because I'm special. :drool:

This is an attack on a straw god.

A plan can be conditional, like a program with if/then/else statements.

Or another possibility is your prayer for whatever it is, was part of the plan! 😎

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

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Indeed, frosty.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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