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March 15, 2012 - 7:17 pm
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"frrostedman" wrote: It's been very recent, but it is now pretty much accepted that America is no longer to be considered a "Christian Nation." That is over and done with.

Given the percentage of Christian Americans and Christians that dominate the US political arena, it's still a "Christian Nation," no matter what the politically correct pundits say.

And it doesn't even matter if it's been "pretty recent"...we've been over there for almost a decade now.

"frrostedman" wrote: I scratch my head as over the years, I've seen E_H represent a very hawkish view on the war on terror, only to now to falsely and conveniently declare it a "religious war." Pffffffft

"over the years" my ass. I only just recently began talking about the war for oil thing.

So, do you think that we'd be invading the Middle East for oil if it was predominately Judeo-Christian territory? Of course not. It's BOTH a religious war AND a war for oil.

Who is the Christian Military out there killing? Muslim extremists.

Christians killing Muslims and vice versa = religious warfare.

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I think it would be interesting to get a soldier's take on what he or she is actually fighting for.
I'm sure some of the time, GOD would be an answer. But how many of them think they are a soldier of God or a soldier of the United States of America?
I don't know any soldiers so I can't ask them.
I would surmise that a large number of soldiers who have seen combat would not say they are defending Christianity like the knights of the Crusades but like I said there's none I can ask.
And then it would also be interesting to poll some of "the enemy" and learn what they are fighting for.
There is a lot of craziness in the world and it's quite possible that they are letting the Koran do their thinking for them. There is a line in there about infidels should be killed..I should dig up the exact wording.
I'm not a gigantic fan of organized religion but I believe that it's a gross oversimplification to say the conflict is merely religious and religious only, nor do I want to neglect the occasional benefits of organized religion.
Religion isn't going away. It is what it is.

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I think most soldiers will tell you they're fighting to protect their country, and because they're told to, because it's their job.

However, the war in Afghanistan for example is supposedly a retaliation for 9/11, which was a religiously fueled attack on the WTC. Religion lurks behind it.

Bush says God told him to go to war. Again, religion lurks.

Take away religion, and sure, there will still be conflict, but many of the main justifications for war would disappear. Division causes conflict, conflict leads to war, and religion causes division like nothing else in existence.

Religion plays a major role. Faith is actually the biggest culprit, because when there is doubt about ones beliefs, there is moderation. If you're not certain about a belief, you're less likely to want to die for it, and if you don't want to die for your beliefs you won't drive a plane into a tower on a suicide mission or go on a crusade, or torture others for thinking differently to you.

Faith is a great evil because it makes us certain about something for which the evidence is lacking, and that certainty is what creates the fanaticism that leads to deaths. Religion takes that faith and concentrates it into a more dangerous form, so instead of one lone nutter who is certain he is right, you end up with millions working in unison. Frightening. And yes, faith can be involved in non-religious belief systems too, like communism, and the end result is the same.

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"humphreys" wrote: I think most soldiers will tell you they're fighting to protect their country, and because they're told to, because it's their job.

However, the war in Afghanistan for example is supposedly a retaliation for 9/11, which was a religiously fueled attack on the WTC. Religion lurks behind it.

Bush says God told him to go to war. Again, religion lurks.

Take away religion, and sure, there will still be conflict, but many of the main justifications for war would disappear. Division causes conflict, conflict leads to war, and religion causes division like nothing else in existence.

Religion plays a major role. Faith is actually the biggest culprit, because when there is doubt about ones beliefs, there is moderation. If you're not certain about a belief, you're less likely to want to die for it, and if you don't want to die for your beliefs you won't drive a plane into a tower on a suicide mission or go on a crusade, or torture others for thinking differently to you.

Faith is a great evil because it makes us certain about something for which the evidence is lacking, and that certainty is what creates the fanaticism that leads to deaths. Religion takes that faith and concentrates it into a more dangerous form, so instead of one lone nutter who is certain he is right, you end up with millions working in unison. Frightening. And yes, faith can be involved in non-religious belief systems too, like communism, and the end result is the same.

The world is broken, yes.

Scary stuff.

I would say that faith is not a great evil any more than atomic energy or gravity is a great evil.

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Humphreys wrote:
However, the war in Afghanistan for example is supposedly a retaliation for 9/11, which was a religiously fueled attack on the WTC. Religion lurks behind it.

Bush says God told him to go to war. Again, religion lurks.

Take away religion, and sure, there will still be conflict, but many of the main justifications for war would disappear. Division causes conflict, conflict leads to war, and religion causes division like nothing else in existence.

Religion plays a major role. Faith is actually the biggest culprit, because when there is doubt about ones beliefs, there is moderation. If you're not certain about a belief, you're less likely to want to die for it, and if you don't want to die for your beliefs you won't drive a plane into a tower on a suicide mission or go on a crusade, or torture others for thinking differently to you.

And those are all lies using religion as the false flag for the real motives behind war, most of the time. Greed , power and control.

Religion is not the cause of most wars . It is humans succumbing to the lust for power, and control of natural resources, or land.

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"OraProNobis" wrote: And those are all lies using religion as the false flag for the real motives behind war, most of the time. Greed , power and control.

Please tell me how these small bands of Muslim extremists (or even the entire Middle East) would be able to defeat our powerful military (including NATO), just so they could gain more power, control, and wealth. They have no chance against us, unless they were to use nukes, which they would get in return, or some virus that would eventually wipe out everybody.

"Greed, power and control" cannot be their motive. It's "Jihad".

"OraProNobis" wrote: Religion is not the cause of most wars . It is humans succumbing to the lust for power, and control of natural resources, or land.

Then what "caused" Muslims to run planes into the Twin Towers?

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