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Free Will, Does it Exist?
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May 3, 2012 - 8:05 am
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Choice meaning after you pull the trigger?

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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May 3, 2012 - 8:13 am
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Nope.

"Predictable outcomes arising from deterministic processes would mean there is no free will."

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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That is, if choices are predictable. Sometimes they're not.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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May 3, 2012 - 9:32 am
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http://bigthink.com/ideas/37862

So what does that mean for free will? It means in some sense we do have some kind of free will. No one can determine your future events given your past history. There is always the wildcard. There is always the possibility of uncertainty in whatever we do.

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Finite uncertainties.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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"khanster" wrote: http://bigthink.com/ideas/37862

So what does that mean for free will? It means in some sense we do have some kind of free will. No one can determine your future events given your past history. There is always the wildcard. There is always the possibility of uncertainty in whatever we do.

True but a lot of people are quite predictable.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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"at1with0" wrote: That is, if choices are predictable. Sometimes they're not.

Everything you ever chose or ever will choose, is the result of your own free will. You have never chosen an outcome that you did not desire. So if I know you well, then your choices should be very predictable.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

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Yet you can't choose the choices.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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"DIss0n80r" wrote: Yet you can't choose the choices.

If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice.

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May 4, 2012 - 12:21 pm
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That's not what I'm talking about.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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