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April 28, 2012 - 1:25 am
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Your choice. :shifty:

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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You mean destiny doesn't force me to make a choice? OMG, BREAKTHROUGH!

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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April 28, 2012 - 4:13 am
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We are always in a position to choose in some form, even if our choices seem only subjective, even if we choose to give away all our choices.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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April 28, 2012 - 5:49 am
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Even with a gun in my mouth "or else" I can choose death.

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April 28, 2012 - 6:09 am
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Who knows, maybe that's a choice you've made countless times before.

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April 28, 2012 - 7:42 am
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"frrostedman" wrote:

Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.

That story is generally considered to be apocryphal.

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April 28, 2012 - 6:26 pm
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Maybe I'm dead already.

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April 28, 2012 - 7:33 pm
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"frrostedman" wrote: We've recently gone round and round with this khanster. I'm sure it's in a thread on page 1 of this forum.

Anyway, many believers will argue with me til the cows come home on this, but the fact is, if you believe the bible, then you must believe that we do not have 100% free will. We have free will, yes, but we do not have full autonomy.

Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.

Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.

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April 28, 2012 - 8:42 pm
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What if bigfoot could grow his fur back almost instantly? I bet somebody could make a fortune shaving him and selling it.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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"greeney2" wrote:

Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.

99.9999999999999... where the .9999...part is infinitely repeating IS equal to 100.

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