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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
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Let me just say this, the true church is not any organization, any denomination, it is believers filled with the Holy Spirit, saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ who died for their sins, and rose on the third day to be seated at the right hand of the Father.

The Holy Spirit is actually our teacher and He bears witness to Jesus Christ. The Bible, actually individual books and letters about God the Father and God the Son, were written before the church existed. Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is nothing more than words on a page.

I can't relate to your experience, nor am I trying to.

I will be praying for you.

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It's a fact,that the oldest bible in the world is less than 1500 yrs old, over 1600 pages.

There's about 500 yrs of bibles missing, not one copy remains from the time directly after his death. Are you telling me that they waited 500 yrs to release it? To tell the story? Nobody was left alive that knew the truth.

Look at what happened when even just Michael Jackson died, every moron that spent five minutes with him wrote about it. The next day.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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Jamie said
It's a fact,that the oldest bible in the world is less than 1500 yrs old, over 1600 pages.

There's about 500 yrs of bibles missing, not one copy remains from the time directly after his death. Are you telling me that they waited 500 yrs to release it? To tell the story? Nobody was left alive that knew the truth.

Look at what happened when even just Michael Jackson died, every moron that spent five minutes with him wrote about it. The next day.  

Here's a pretty good article on the New Testament.

http://www.humanreligions.info.....ament.html

Quoting a portion of it:

 

How was the New Testament created, and where did the original books come from? By the 2nd century, hundreds of texts had been written about Jesus and about people who knew him, including 30 gospels purportedly by the disciples themselves. One third of the NT is written anonymously1 and the rest is pseudepigraphic, where an author writes in someone else's name, excepting some of the letters of St Paul, which are genuine. The oldest fragments we have are two small pieces from 125CE, one from an unknown gospel and one from the Gospel of John. The earliest complete manuscripts we have are from the 3rd and 4th centuries2. All ancient manuscripts we have found differ from the later ones that came to form the Bible3 and there was a constant stream of editing, masking, forgery and invention in the evolution of those books3. The Church Fathers themselves quoted Jesus from sources that are still unknown4 - from texts that may have been more historical that the ones that finally made it into the Bible. The Christian community itself knew that most texts were fraudulent and "there were long, protracted and often heated debates in the early church over forged documents"5. It was the centralized, Roman-influenced forms of Christianity whose stories were most successful6. The first person to decide upon the list of the 27 books of the New Testament was the Bishop of Alexandria, Athanasius, in a letter dated 367CE, stating that these and no others, should be considered canonical7,8. This included only 4 of the gospels for the pagan-sounding reason that there are "four winds", "four points of the compass". Given the diverse sources of these texts and that the original disciples and their followers left no first hand writings, there was never any way for Christians to check the authenticity of any of the Christian texts that formed the New Testament. No-one ever did find any relatives or eye-witnesses of Jesus in order to ask them, and no-one ever knew where Jesus was buried, so, debates over who had the right texts was solvable only by force over hundreds of years.

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Great explanation, thanks for the links 🙂

I've expanded my knowledge in all areas I can in this,reviewing many texts, some that the church denies were ever books of the bible. However some things did fit.

The books of Enoch, the dead sea scrolls, etcetera.

It paints a very different picture, when added together.

By just removing the Gospel of Judas, the holy trinity has room.

He says to Jesus, I know who you are and who sent you.  He knew the difference between the two.

Is that how Judas goes from being a true follower of God, to the betrayer.? By being removed?

These texts are just as old and clearly were part of a bigger story when written.

I'm not claiming malevolence on the part of the church either. I don't think they thought we would ever be where we are now.

Again, I will always worship God. My version, I guess.:-)

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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Jamie,

 

How we got here.  Quoting the following article (Roman Catholicism: Merger Of Paganism And Christianity):

 

http://www.exposingtheenemy.co.....ristianity

 

So now that we know that paganism came from ancient Babylon and spread throughout the earth, lets learn how paganism then infiltrated Christianity itself. In the 4th century Constantine was the Emperor of Rome. It is often said that he converted from a pagan sun worshiper of Mithraism to Christianity and made Christianity the state religion of Rome. The truth is that Constantine was your typical politician seeking power. As a political strategy, he sought to unite his empire by merging the Christian faction of his empire with the pagan faction of his empire. Mithra was the god of the pagans, which was the sun god. The pagans got to keep many of their traditions while the Christians got to keep many of their names and terminology such as the name of Jesus. So Paganism got dressed up in Christian clothing. It was a compromise by both parties that allowed Constantine to grow his empire and acquire more power. 
 
It was the beginning of the great falling away spoken of in the scriptures. Instead of Christianity remaining separate and holy from the world, it joined the world in its customs and practices in the worship of their God. In 325 AD, Constantine convened the Council of Nicea which was designed to unify the doctrines of this new state religion of pagan Christianity. There were many issues settled in this council such as the doctrine of the Trinity, the calendar, the Sabbath day, Christmas, Easter, and the renouncing of so called "Judaizers" as heretics.
 
Constantine could see that Christianity was force to be reckoned with. The more persecution it endured, the stronger it got. Christianity also threatened the so called divine right of the King. Pagan beliefs affirmed the divine right of the King by worshiping the King as a god himself among the other gods that they worshiped. So what better way to deal with this problem than by proclaiming Christianity as the state religion while corrupting its doctrines and practices at the same time? Constantine combined church and state and he was the head of this new church/state structure. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire. This system gradually evolved into what we know today as the Catholic Church. This church had no competitors until the protestant reformation. If you opposed the church, you weren't another denomination, you were a heretic and not considered a christian. 
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I see where you're going with this.

It's kind of off topic. I'm only saying that certain things were taken out and added to the bible for whatever reasons. Have you read either of the texts I mentioned? There's no paganism in either, they are simple accounts,of people in the bible, doing and saying extraordinary things.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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Jamie,

 

I feel the Books of Enoch are solid and should be in Scripture since Jude does mention them.

 

The Bible is a compilation of "approved" Books.

 

Here's an excerpt from a great article regarding the "other" Books:

 

https://medium.com/sant-mat-me.....1d41400f54

 

Banned Books of Early Christianity, The Infamous List!
By James Bean
http://about.me/SantMat

No-stick (Gnostic) Gospels defined: sacred texts that for some reason did’t ‘stick’ around for very long, were lost, or eventually banned and made illegal with a little help from Emperor Constantine and the Roman military.

Tis a very long list indeed of hidden, banned, forbidden, censored, condemned, cursed, and even burned books. These writings of the banned, holy scriptures were once used by other versions or branches of Christianity that existed in antiquity before it became illegal for them to assemble in public, copy and, heaven forbid! circulate their alternative gospels within the boundaries of the Roman Empire.

Though much has been forever lost, some of these books of the Other Bible have been rescued from destruction. We owe a great deal of gratitude to those freedom-loving and open-minded Jews, Pacomian monks, Christians and Gnostics in Eastern Europe, Egypt, Ethiopia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Armenia who risked much to translate and thus preserve many of these Other Books for future generations, for all time to come. In the case of the fifty books of the Nag Hammadi library, there were Coptic parchments removed from a near-by monastery library in Upper Egypt and buried in a large clay storage jar not far from some caves near the Nile. This clay jar ended up being a kind of time capsule that was unearthed one thousand seven hundred years later.

One definition of the word “apocryphal” is a holy book used in someone else’s version of Christianity — somebody else’s religion — somebody who went to a different church on Sunday…. or Saturday, or not at all, and yet are rejected by the big church. In a land where everyone is not free to follow the religion of their choice, one person’s treasure of inspiration is another’s kindling.

If it’s banned, it must be good! or at least informative and of historic value.

Banned Sayings of Jesus — He Made the List Too

It may interest you to know that, on the list of forbidden scriptures is included, believe it or not, an impressive early collection of the sayings of Jesus known as the Gospel of Thomas, also the Books of Enoch the Prophet.

Hey Jude!

First Enoch, included amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls — the Essene Bible, and later the Ethiopian Bible, was quoted by Jude in his short New Testament letter. Actually, the Epistle of Barnabas and several major and well-known early church fathers also quoted Enoch, referring to it as “scripture”, once upon a time in what was apparently a somewhat different Christianity back then. Having Enoch included as one’s “scripture” would have made for a radically different religion, much more in touch with it’s Essene Jewish roots. Jude also quoted, back in those free-wheeling grass roots days before the age of book-banning, another scripture eventually forbidden called, The Assumption of Moses.

John the Revelator

It’s interesting to see that the Book of Revelation was banned for awhile. Fascinating to witness! The Book of Revelation by “John” eventually, after years of haggling amongst various factions, ended up as the last book of the “Constintinian” or Orthodox New Testament of the Empire. It has been the focus of so many prophecy speculators, prophecy mongers and cult-abusers over the centuries.

Several other books that are now in Catholic Bibles were once banned — books of “The Apocrypha”. Those were and are part of the Greek Septuagint of Alexandria, literally the Old Testament of the early church (including the book of Judith, other women, also Tobit books of Maccabees, and some very important books of Wisdom). The original King James Version of the Bible in English published in 1611 contained those other books, but now they have largely disappeared in the Protestant world.

Of course! as you might have guessed, the writings attributed to Mary Magdalene made the list, as well as that of another women apostle/leader in early Christianity: Thecla.

The Odes of Love

And the Odes of Solomon was condemned as well. That’s one of my personal favorites. It’s a very beautiful, devotional (bhakti), Sufi-like, eloquent, soul-stirring and very deeply spiritual collection of new testament age psalms. Imagine if you will psalms that sound like they were composed by Rumi. That may give you some idea of what the Book of the Odes is like. I’m glad I am able to own a copy — I have six translations of the Odes.

Wisdom Rejected

Even the Sentences of Sextus made the banned list. I really like that one a lot. It’s a wonderful collection of proverbs, very valuable. Parts of it were unearthed amongst the Nag Hammadi library discovery in Upper Egypt a few decades back.

I have many of the books on this list, especially the Gnostic ones, and some of them represent great literature, the “sutras” and “upanishads” of the Western world, banned by the “Tali-ban” of their day, hardline rulers (archons) devoid of any notion of religious freedom for anyone other than themselves.

Note the official-but-not-so-spiritual-sounding shunning ceremony or “hex-curse” at the beginning of the first banned list: “…convened by the emperor Constantius, the son of Constantine, through the prefect Taurus is damned from then and now and for ever…”, then comes a VERY long list of books to be excommunicated.

Meet the Banned — The So-called Decretum Gelasianum

Here is the official list of all the banned scriptures of Christianity according to the Synod at Ariminum, which was convened by the Emperor Constantius, the son of Constantine, along with other long lists of banned books.

The following lists of banned scripture is from the book, New Testament Apocrypha, Volume one, Edgar Hennecke, Wilhelm Schneemelcher, and R. McL. Wilson, The Westminster Press.

“In the so-called Decretum Gelasianum de libris recipiendis et non recipiendis, which upon the whole is probably of South Gallic origin (6th century) but which in several parts can be traced back to Pope Damasus and reflects Roman tradition, we have in the second part a canon catalogue, in the fourth part an enumeration of recognized and ecclesiastical writers, and in the fifth part a catalogue of the ‘apocrypha’ and other writings which are to be rejected….

“The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognized by heretics or schismatics the catholic and apostolic Roman church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below some which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by catholics [christians universally or orthodox].”

“Further Enumeration of Apocryphal Books…. In the first place we confess that the Synod at Ariminum which was convened by the Emperor Constantius, the son of Constantine, through the prefect Taurus is damned from then and now and for ever:

“Itinerary (book of travels) under the name of the apostle Peter,
which is called The Nine Books of the holy Clement apocryphal
Acts under the name of the apostle Andrew apocryphal
Acts under the name of the apostle Thomas apocryphal
Acts under the name of the apostle Peter apocryphal
Acts under the name of the apostle Philip apocryphal
Gospel under the name of Matthias apocryphal
Gospel under the name of Barnabas apocryphal
Gospel under the name of James the younger apocryphal
Gospel under the name of the apostle Peter apocryphal
Gospel under the name of Thomas, which the Manichaeans use
apocryphal
Gospels under the name of Bartholomaeus apocryphal
Gospels under the name of Andrew apocryphal
Gospels which Lucian has forged apocryphal
Gospels which Hesychius has forged apocryphal
Book about the childhood of the Redeemer apocryphal
Book about the birth of the Redeemer and about Mary or the midwife
apocryphal
Book which is called by the name of the Shepherd apocryphal
All books which Leucius, the Book which is called The Foundation
apocryphal
Book which is called The Treasure apocryphal
Book about the daughters of Adam: Leptogenesis(?) apocryphal
Cento about Christ, put together in Virgilian lines apocryphal
Book which is called The Acts of Thecla and of Paul apocryphal
Book which is ascribed to Nepos apocryphal
Books of the Sayings, compiled by heretics and denoted by the name
of Sextus apocryphal
Revelation which is ascribed to Paul apocryphal
Revelation which is ascribed to Thomas apocryphal
Revelation which is ascribed to Stephen apocryphal
Book which is called The Home-going of the holy Mary apocryphal
Book which is called The Penitence of Adam apocryphal
Book about the giant Ogias, of whom the heretics assert that after
the flood he fought with the dragon apocryphal
Book which is called The Testament of Job apocryphal
Book which is called The Penitence of Origen apocryphal
Book which is called The Penitence of the holy Cyprian apocryphal
Book which is called The Penitence of Jamnes and Mambres apocryphal
Book which is called The Portion of the Apostles apocryphal
Book which is called The Grave-plate(?) of the Apostles apocryphal
Book which is called The Canones of the Apostles apocryphal
The book Physiologus, compiled by heretics and called by the name of
the blessed Ambrose apocryphal
The History of Eusebius Pamphili apocryphal
Works of Tertullian apocryphal
Works of Lactantius apocryphal (later addition: or of Firmianus or
of the Mrican)
Works of Postumianus and of Gallus apocryphal
Works of Montanus, of Priscilla and of Maximilla apocryphal
Works of Faustus the Manichaean apocryphal
Works of Commodianus apocryphal
Works of the other Clement, of Alexandria apocryphal
Works of Thascius Cyprian apocryphal
Works of Arnobius apocryphal
Works of Tichonius apocryphal
Works of Cassian, a presbyter in Gaul apocryphal
Works of Victorinus of Pettau apocryphal
Works of Faustus of Riez in Gaul apocryphal
Works of Frumentius Caecus apocryphal
Epistle of Jesus to Abgar apocryphal
Epistle of Abgar to Jesus apocryphal
Passion (Martyr Acts) of Cyricus and of Iulitta apocryphal
Passion of Georgius apocryphal
Writing which is called Interdiction (Exorcism?) of Solomon
apocryphal
All amulets which have been compiled not, as those persons feign, in
the name of the angels, but rather in that of the demons apocryphal

“These and the like, what Simon Magus, Nicolaus, Cerinthus, Marcion, Basilides, Ebion, Paul of Samosata, Photinus and Bonosus, who suffered from similar error, also Montanus with his detestable followers, Apollinaris, Valentinus the Manichaean, Faustus the Mrican, Sabellius, Arius, Macedonius, Eunomius, Novatus, Sabbatius, Calistus, Donatus, Eustatius, Iovianus, Pelagius, Iulianus of Eclanum, Caelestius, Maximian, Priscillian from Spain, Nestorius of Constantinople, Maximus the Cynic, Lampetius, Dioscorus, Eutyches, Peter and the other Peter, of whom the one besmirched Alexandria and the other Antioch, Acacius of Constantinople with his associates, and what also all disciples of heresy and of the heretics or schismatics, whose names we have scarcely preserved, have taught or compiled, we acknowledge is to be not merely rejected but excluded from the whole Roman catholic and apostolic Church and with its authors and the adherents of its authors to be damned in the inextricable shackles of anathema for ever.”

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Exactly my point, I believe the books of Enoch were removed, left out, whatever.(and Judas as well) Anything that didn't conform to the views of the church at that time.If that's possible, what other changes were made?And to what end?

Who made the decision to say what was truly part of the bible?

Not God, man.

Like I said before,it's a great reference text, but clearly not the whole story. My faith and relationship to God are not bound within it's pages.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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The views of the church at that time were compromised and essentially represented what was politically good for the church and the Roman Empire. 

 

Check out the excerpt from the article, THE MARRIAGE OF CHRISTIANITY WITH BAAL:

 

http://lorendavis.com/news_art.....anity.html

 

The Roman Empire had tried to conquer the world. Rome’s original name was Saturnia, which means “the City of Saturn”.  Saturn was the Chaldean (Babylonian) god. Saturn was another name for Nimrod or Tammuz the originators of the Baal or Satanic religion. Rome was a Baal city. 

As Rome was reaching out to conquer the world it assimilated the religions and gods from the pagan countries it ruled.  It was during this period when that Jesus the Messiah was born.

 

In 300 A.D. Constantine, a follower of Sol Invictus THE SUN GOD, wanted to become the emperor of Rome.  To accomplish this he needed allies to conquer his rival Maximian.  After scanning over his options, he noticed that there was a sizable block of Christians in Rome who were not politically committed.  Realizing that they had been living under severe persecution; in poverty; and had been tortured and killed for the faith in Christ, he saw a window of opportunity to get more allies. Being an opportunist he approached the church leaders of Rome and offered them a deal which he told them would be mutually beneficial to the Roman church and himself. 

 

He told the church leaders that if they would help him become emperor, in return he would stop Rome’s persecution of the Christians; give them their own temples and shrines; give them wealth; and let them have power sharing in his new government. Constantine told the church leaders that his only stipulation was that they should not be dogmatic on doctrine or dogma.  They could still worship Jesus and he promised them if they agreed that he would convert to Christianity.  Tired of the persecution, poverty, and weakness, and jumping at the opportunity of catching such a big fish, the church leaders of Rome ignored the warning signs of him still being a sun worshipper and agreed to the compromise.

  

As for Constantine’s conversion to Christianity, it was not along scriptural lines.  It was said that he was actually in the pagan temple of Apollo when he had his vision or dream of a “LUMINATED CROSS”, (that is a CROSS MERGED WITH THE SUN). Constantine’s victory was not attributed to Jesus, but the pagan sun god.

 

In the aftermath of this Rome declared it was now a Christian city, but in practice its old pagan beliefs and practices never changed.  Rome and Constantine’s conversions were in name only.

 

CONSTANTINE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY ONLY FOR POLITICAL REASONS

 

His supposed conversion to Christianity is incorrect. The official state religion under Constantine was actually SUN WORSHIP and not Christianity, and he was its high priest. Sun worship came from the ancient pagan religion of Baal.

 

For Constantine, the acceptance of Christianity was done solely TO UNIFY TERRITORY, RELIGIONS, AND POLITICAL MOVEMENTS.  It was under the Sol Invictus cult that CHRISTIANITY as a religion BEGAN TO BE ACCEPTED AND GROW, but THERE WAS A BIG PRICE THE EARLY ROMAN CHURCH HAD TO PAY.

 

IT WAS BELIEVED AT THIS TIME THAT THE ROMAN EMPERORS DESCENDED FROM THE GODS

 

Politically, according to the tradition of the emperors, Constantine had to identify with some god to establish a new divine mandate supporting his legitimacy and right to reign as Emperor. Constantine chose Christianity, at least on a nominal level and kept his agreement with the Roman Church.

 

However, “Jesus, actually played no part whatsoever in Constantine’s religion. He ignored Jesus completely and just talked of the Father who  was in his mind Sol Invictus, the sun god.”

  

The Roman Bishop Eusebius “declared that the logos (the written Word of God) was incarnate in Constantine.” He gave Constantine a status that belongs to Jesus Christ alone. Constantine put all religions and gods on an equal footing, but his own personal god however was the sun god. 

  

This new Christianity that evolved was closer to many pagan doctrines with Christianity’s Judaic-Christian origins and practices that SUN WORSHIP.  It became a hybrid religion.

 

Constantine INTENTIONALLY BLURRED DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND SOL INVICTUS THE SUN GOD, which was from Baal, for the purpose of unifying Rome. In so doing, he would build a Christian church in one part of Rome, and erect statues to the Mother goddess Cybele and of Sol Invictus the sun god in another part of the city.  It was a clever ECUMENICAL maneuvering where THE MAIN EMPHASIS WAS ON TOLERANCE, ONENESS and UNITY. Faith for Constantine was a political matter and any compromise was justified for his political ends. 300 A.D.

 

THE CHURCH of ROME WENT INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SAME EMPIRE WHICH HAD OPENLY OPPOSED, TORTURED AND CRUCIFIED JESUS and had so unmercifully persecuted Christians for three centuries.

 

The Edict of Milan in 313 A.D. stopped the persecution of Christianity in the empire.  This also made Constantine like a savior or messiah to many Christians.  The Christians of Roman fell at his feet.

 

Constantine also gave certain privileges to the Church of Rome and allowed its leadership to be a part of his political administration.  This opened the door for THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH TO CONSOLIDATE ITS AUTHORITY. The Roman church proclaimed that now Rome was the official headquarters of Christianity. A new declaration was given that ANY DEVIATION FROM THE ROMAN CHURCH’S ORTHODOXY WOULD BE SEEN AS HERESY.  Roman Church’s doctrines were DECIDED BY A VOTE FROM THE CHURCH COUNCIL which was created by Constantine.

 

Although there had been some compromises in pockets of Christianity in the past, this was THE FORMAL BEGINNING of the greatest and most SYSTEMATIC TEARING DOWN OF ORIGINAL CHRISTIANITY. This was the official beginning of the great apostasy of the Church.  Constantine reigned in the Roman Empire from 312 A.D. until his death in 337 A.D.   THIS PERIOD was THE PIVOTAL POINT when CHRISTIANITY BEGAN to change. Religious tradition portrays Constantine as a convert to Christianity and attributes to him the “Christianizing” of the Roman Empire and making it the state religion. After this MARRIAGE BETWEEN THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND THE ROMAN CHURCH, the Roman Church leaders became drunk with their new  power and wealth. 

 

THIS BEGAN THE INTEGRATION OF BAAL WITH CHRISTIANITY

 

The pagan temples of Rome were turned over to the Church of Rome by the government and called Christian temples.  Instead of removing the symbols of the sun god and statues of the Mother Goddess, Constantine convinced the church leaders to convert these idols into Christian saints and to give them Christian names.  He also seduced them to retain the symbols of the sun and mix them with Christian symbols. The church leaders accepted this, not willing to lose their new found wealth and power. The Roman Empire and the Roman Church became one. The sun religion of Baal had so co-mingled with Christianity that soon the Roman Baal religion took Christianity’s name and lost its identity, but Christianity took on the doctrines of Baal.  Instead of the christianization of the pagans, this move cleverly PAGANIZED CHRISTIANITY.  This new hybrid religion was the first politically correct religion. Baal and Christianity, two formerly adversarial religions, made peace, united and became one.      

 

THE PRINCIPLE OF MESSIAHSHIP REDEFINED

 

It is inconceivable to comprehend why the Roman Church would accept Constantine’s total indifference to Jesus.  They allowed Constantine to take on a carnal political and military messianic role. What motivated the Roman Church to adopt such an unscriptural theological position that Constantine took? From this moment the Roman Church, under the pressure of Constantine, began to move away from and distort Christ and his teachings.  The truths of early Christianity began to systematically and theologically be spun away. This was the deathblow for the Roman Church’s stand for original Christianity.  Church of Rome sold out for money and power.

 

CONSTANTINE CLAIMED TO BE THE TRUE MESSIAH

 

Although Constantine IGNORED JESUS, he accepted the “principle of messiahship” and took on the role as “THE ANOINTED ONE”, THE MESSIAH for himself.  The messiah to him meant a sovereign ruler, a warrior leader who WOULD REIGN ON EARTH.  From Constantine’s viewpoint, Jesus made a feeble attempt to be this messiah but failed. HE DID NOT LOOK AT JESUS AS THE PROMISED MESSIAH FROM GOD.  He only looked at Him from a political perspective and did not believe in the scriptural account of Jesus being the only begotten Son of God.  He believed that David was the messiah for his generation; Solomon was the messiah for his generation; that Jesus tried to be the messiah for His generation; and now HE WOULD BE THE MESSIAH FOR HIS GENERATION.  CONSTANTINE TRIED TO BECOME THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHECIES ABOUT THE WRATHFUL KING of the Book of Revelation who would conquer all.

 

The Roman Church did not challenge Constantine’s claim of being this perverted earthly messiah. It did not want to risk its new found wealth and power. The Roman Church even sanctioned the role that Constantine gave himself.  It agreed with HIS CLAIM OF BEING THE TRUE MESSIAH who was more successful than Jesus.

 

THE IDEA OF A POPE CAME AT THE TIME OF CONSTANTINE

 

When the Roman Empire conquered the world, it merged with the Babylonian religious system. In 63 B.C. the concept of a Supreme Pontiff or Pontifex Maximus became the title of the Emperor Caesar. Subsequent emperors of Rome (Constantine included) took the title and office of PONTIFEX MAXIMUS.  

 

Historically, Constantine, not Peter was in all reality the first Pope of the Roman Church. At Constantine’s insistence, the Roman Church agreed to anoint him as the infallible monarch, and gave him the position that should only belong to Christ. Constantine changed his title from Emperor to Pope, and became head of the Roman Church (although it was never publicly announced) as well as head of state. Under the new title he continued to carry out the traditional responsibilities of the Roman emperor with a new “Christian” religious twist to it. This was the merging of church and state. This strategy of changing his title confused and disarmed  Rome’s enemies who assumed that the Roman Empire had died.  That intentionally became the official story line in history. Now the Roman Empire could operate under the guise of being a church, and no one would suspect that the Roman Empire was still alive and still had ambitions to rule the world.

 

 Constantine demanded to be recognized as a deity and worshipped as a god like the emperors who preceded him.  It was considered heresy for anyone to question him.  The word of an emperor was infallible, and he transferred that position of infallibility to his new position. The Head of the Roman Church IS NOW CALLED SUPREME PONTIFF, PONTIFEX MAXIMUS, the same title that the Roman Emperors held.

 

By succession and Church tradition, the ensuing Heads of the Roman Church that followed him took on the same mystical position as Constantine, as A TEMPORAL INFALLIBLE MESSIAH.  All Heads of the Roman Church are voted in by the Roman Church Council. The precedents Constantine laid out have been carbon copied by the rest of the Heads of the Church throughout the centuries. (Their position was said to be INFALLIBLE, not unlike the Pharaohs of Egypt).

 

TAKING CHRIST’S PLACE

 

The Head of the Roman Church took on such titles as: Sovereign Pontiff of Bishops, High Priest, Chief of the Church in the World, Most Holy Lord, and Vicar of Christ.  One of them said, “WE HOLD UPON EARTH THE PLACE OF GOD ALMIGHTY.”  During one of the Church’s Council it was proclaimed:  THE HEAD OF THE ROMAN CHURCH IS CHRIST IN OFFICE, CHRIST IN JURISDICTION AND POWER…...WE BOW DOWN BEFORE THY VOICE, AS BEFORE THE VOICE OF CHRIST, the god of truth; IN CLINGING TO THEE, WE CLING TO CHRIST”.

 

Bishop Eusebius said, “since the beginning of the world Constantine alone had been given the power to bring salvation.  Christ is set aside, is excluded, and now is formally denied.   Constantine stands now as the savior of the world, spiritually and materially. He proclaimed that the world was not saved before he came.”

 

 THE HEAD OF THE ROMAN CHURCH CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE THE EMBODIMENT OF JESUS CHRIST.  It is interesting to note that the pagan Caesar’s of Rome were called “our Lord and God”.  Many extol the greatness of Rome under the Caesars, but claim it is now even greater under the Church.  Alexander VI said, concerning this statement, “The former was a man, this is a god!”  He said that the Head of the Roman Church is not just the only representative of Jesus Christ, they say he IS Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of the flesh.”  He  said, “When the head of the Church speaks? “it is Jesus Christ who speaks”. His words are THE WORD OF GOD. The Head of the Church is now called “most holy and blessed Father!  Head of the church, RULER OF THE WORLD to whom the keys to the kingdom of heaven...and all that the world adores.   We specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!”  A well known historian said, “To make war against the Head of the Roman Church is to make war against God, because God IS the leader of the Church, and he is God!  He can do all things God can do!” Although the Roman Church says that Peter was its first leader, there is no record of that in the Bible.  Peter’s ministry was to the circumcision, the Jews. Paul’s was to Rome.

 

LOOK ALSO AT THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND

 

The KINGS and QUEENS of England are not considered only the Head of State, they also are known as the Head of the Church of England.  They are considered INFALLIBLE. The Church of England broke off from the Roman Church, but remained similar in many ways.  The Anglican Church is the State Church of England.  In their history neither the Roman Church nor the Church of England gave religious freedom to their citizens.  This is the primary reason why so many immigrated to America. The Anglican Church is now talking about reuniting with the Roman Church.

 

The Church of England designs its cathedrals with similar architecture as the Roman Church, including obelisks, sun symbols and arches.   Westminster Abbey Church in London is FILLED WITH THE BONES OF ITS HEROES.  Great Britain colonized much of the world, and in the name of Christianity and claimed the lands and resources of Africa, India, and America among many others. Most of the colonization and plundering was done on the heels of what they called their mission’s work.  How can a nation that is supposed to be Christian steal and kill like they did in colonial times?  Their behavior was totally opposite of what the Bible says a Christian should be.  No wonder the pagans thought that Christians were terrible people and wouldn’t convert, or their conversion most often was imposed and not genuine.  It was said that the sun never set on the British Empire.  Because of their FORCIBLE conquests, the British Empire negatively impacted the perception of Christianity throughout the world. Today the majority of people in Great Britain have openly rejected Jesus and the Bible.  Looking at Great Britain’s history, it is easy to understand why the enemies of Christianity have had a relatively easy time of building a case against Christianity to this new generation of Brits.

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I think you're missing my point. Was the church responsible for putting the bible together or not? Clearly yes. Right there, you have my  point.A book didn't magically appear from heaven. Full and intact. It is a collection of stories by man to explain God.

All you've done here is show how much faith you have in the church, and the people making those decisions.

The church is responsible for the book, you are responsible for your soul.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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