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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
July 20, 2018
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You are familiar with the Trinity, right?

July 20, 2018
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Yes, I am, but like I said. There is only one creator.

That's who I worship.

I believe that there are many, many beings that have been created throughout the cosmos by God. All of them have one thing in common. They were created.

The one voice in the void that stirred creation.God.

Jesus, the son, was not there. Therefore the trinity came later.

This is where it stops for me, after my experience, and it's effects on my outlook on how God works, I can not worship any being that may not be God.

I believe all beings created by God, are equal. Angels,demons, aliens, you, me,none are worthy of worship but the creator.Not even his child, Reverence absolutely, adoration, for sure. But worship is for the creator alone. I hope you can understand, I mean you no disrespect. This is only my belief ,this is by no means, an attempt to change your beliefs.

 I have really enjoyed this conversation. It has helped me sort a few things out. Thank you for being open to listening even if we disagree. We still believe in the same principles whether our understanding of God is the same or not.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 21, 2018
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Jamie said

Jesus, the son, was not there. Therefore the trinity came later.

In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

There are more verses as well.  

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - all three are the One God. 

Basic Christianity.

July 21, 2018
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Yes,lol as much as my son was in me until he was born.

I believe what I believe. I believe the word of God, has been turned to idol worship. I believe our understanding of God has changed as the church saw fit.That's why I don't like having scripture thrown at me. You don't really believe that you're reading the original bible do you? That it's complete in its tellings? And has remained the same through all the translations and versions.Not to mention deliberate changes by the church? I'm sorry if you don't agree. But like I said, this is my belief.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 21, 2018
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I was raised,on the king James version of the bible. That word version, always bugged me. How many versions of the truth are there? Couldn't he have just translated the original? No, he made his own version. Why? Either something he disagreed with, or didn't understand,he wanted changed.

The truth doesn't need revising. So please, if you to were raised on the same version,refrain from quoting someones version of the truth like it's the word of God.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 21, 2018
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I see, because the Bible doesn't fit your preconceived beliefs, it is obviously flawed...lol.

The books and letters that make up the Bible are perfect, in their original languages they were written in. The King James and New American Standard versions are very good, Youngs Literal might be the best because they are word for word translations.

Since the languages are not dead languages and we have overs 25,000 complete and partial manuscripts to translate and compare we know that what we have today is basically spot on allowing for minor language differences but the meaning has not been changed.

At this point in our conversation I can see we would clearly be going round and round. That is the amazing thing about faith, we all have it, the question is who or what do we have faith in and that is what we will all have to answer for.

As for me, my faith is in the Truth. I'm assuming you know what I mean.

July 22, 2018
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Wow,lol

You do know you are on a site that specializes in conspiracy,right?

Believe what you believe, I have not attacked your beliefs at all, I have been very clear from the first post ,this was not an attack,but a conversation. I have repeatedly said these are my beliefs.I believe that the holy trinity was added to the bible to explain the triangles of lights  being seen in the sky and reported that the church couldn't explain away.

Your inability to let me believe it, is the problem lol

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 22, 2018
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Since this revelation, I have contemplated the ramifications of such a prospect.

All I needed was to look around at where the world sits right now for proof.

Perhaps we are all being punished for the actions of the church. 

I was not willing to take the chance with my soul. I worship God.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 23, 2018
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Lol…yes, I am aware this site specializes in conspiracy, among other things. In fact, it was UFO’s that brought me to this site, although I must admit my interests in UFO’s is more for entertainment purposes.

Bottom line is I’m not attacking you for your beliefs, I have concern for you about them, and I’m not talking about UFO’s. You can believe whatever you please. I’m not affected by them one way or the other. We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and will have to answer for ourselves. My concern is for a brother, or sister, in Christ that is in error according to God’s Word. We are admonished to correct, in love, any such error. I realize you believe the Bible is flawed and with all due respect I disagree, in fact, if God was unable to keep His message intact down through the ages, what kind of God would He be?

To be sure, the church (not the true church) has twisted the interpretation of the scriptures through the centuries but that is done easily enough without changing a single word of scripture. The concept of the Trinity has been around since the very beginning.

Be that as it may, I just find it interesting that you believe, and have faith in, Jesus Christ even though you don’t believe in the only book that truly tells us all about Him. How does that work? Your faith is based on….what, your own image of Him?

Or do you treat the Bible as a smorgasbord, I’ll take this and I’ll take that, but I won’t accept this. Again, that is all based on what?

Please don’t take this as an attack for that is truly not my intent. This is mostly concern for a supposed family member in Christ.

July 23, 2018
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This is not entertainment for me, you didn't have my experience,  what I witnessed was enough for me.

Had my encounter happened, even 100 yrs ago, the church would have tried to push the idea that it was God.

I had this realization,when it happened now in our time,with my own church. Except, now we have technology, and things in the sky can be explained. And it didn't wash.

As for the bible, I have always known that it was a book, written by man, that it's a feference text at best.

Don't mistake faith in the church, for faith in God.

The church is responsible for the book, people,with agendas.

My faith and relationship with God, are not bound in it's pages.Im sorry you need a security blanket to tell you that you're believing the truth. I don't,

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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