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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
July 13, 2018
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Greeny2 lol, yet again the faith thing. I've told you before, I am at a place, where objectively looking at my faith doesn't diminish it. If you feel that this subject is too much for your faith, that's a personal problem between you and your god.

Faith in the face of evidence to the contrary is ignorant.

 I don't know about you, but if a being speaks to you as only a god can and saves your life, I took it for god. That was until 15 years later,the same voice called me out to my yard to see a machine. Not god.

I really would like to know what you would think. It's easy to scream faith. But my faith was never stronger after I was saved. It was shattered by the realization that I had not been saved by god. I had been used as a tool, to clean up after a being with a god complex.

Faith is a double edged sword. It leaves you vulnerable to charlatans. Unless tempered with reason.

That's where the proof part comes from. After what I've been through, not being able to distinguish between my god and an imposter. What would you do? Just take it on faith that the next one will be the real one? Not likely, but if that's what you would do, I have a bridge to sell 🙂

What part of my post about the accident is unclear? I'll gladly explain.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 14, 2018
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"Faith in the face of evidence to the contrary is ignorant."

You have shown me nothing whatsoever to the contrary for me a question my Faith. 

July 14, 2018
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What I meant, was that for me to have faith in the face of evidence to the contrary,is  ignorant.

Faith won't help me, when what I thought was talking to me was God,turned out to be a machine.

I'm not going to look at what I know is not God and believe it is anyway.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 14, 2018
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On the contrary, I believe it does matter who your "god" is. I disagree that a true believer can be deceived.

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

"When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
"A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers."

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

I can't explain what happened to you, nor would I want to try. I have my theories but that is all they are. What happened to you was for you.

But, to answer your 2 questions:

Does it matter? Maybe not so much in the short term (although it should), but definitely in the long term.

Who'd believe Him? Those who are His.

July 14, 2018
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It's easy to read scripture and quote, try wondering for just a second, what it would be like to be raised Christian,to be a devout follower. Then to have God himself, intervene and save you and your friends. It was confirmation of my faith. My already strong faith became stronger. Then imagine hearing the voice of what you believe is God, from past experience, only to be confronted by a machine.

It's not your experience, it's mine, I get that. But you and I are only different in that aspect. You are one experience away from these questions yourself.

Don't think for a second that my faith was any less than your own. You may comfort yourself with that thought but it's simply not true.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 14, 2018
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So we are all just fooling ourselves?

July 14, 2018
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This was a conversation not a sermon. I was trying to get input from others in the same position as I'm in.

I was fooling myself, yes. Faith, has left me in a position where I can't integrate what I've experienced into by beliefs.

It's my belief that this or these beings are happy being mistaken for gods. They hope everyone will make that mistake,that way when they intervene for better or worse, he works in mysterious ways or it's his will.

I once had a two headed coin with much the same results.

I am not saying don't have faith, whatever gets you through your roughest times is on you. I will no longer follow blindly. That's me, I never told anyone to stop believing what they do. This if anything is a tale of warning. Faith has a dark side. Not everyone will see it. But to those of us that have,it's life changing.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 14, 2018
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A few weeks ago I had to unearth from 3 forums, to figure out what you were referring to when you started this thread. When I answered the first time on this one it was about Faith, which you attach a label of "faith thing" to.  In reading your account of this accident,(from the other thread) here and the other thread, it lacked a lot of details about the wreck, that clearly was a monumental impact on your life. It would be for anyone, who lost a friend, were next to them when they died, and woke up to the others seriously injured.   You use a lot of terms that are disjointed and not clear, like who this "someone" was that killed your friend. You "cleaning up the mess" is not clear?  Not even asking you to rehash a tragic event in your life.  Along with claims you were "abducted", I told you I do not really get into abduction forums or claims, so backed out of this thread. For the simple reason, debating this with someone convinced they were abducted somehow, is really a futile debate.

You are right about one thing, the world is full of charlatans, those with stories and questions they insist you answer to please them, and pleasing them never happens. Just get into a debate with devout atheists, who wants nothing more than to make you question yourself and your Faith and God. Some of those charlatans are within yourself, in the form of doubt, fear, confusion, and life events that do impact your mind. Your own imagination can cast doubt, not to mention your own health, age, and problems life brings. It is normal to wonder about your own Faith, that is where your relationship with God is a personal thing. Sure you can be fooled, I think I said look how many religions there are, but Faith tells me there is only one God. 

I'm sorry if you do not like my insisting Faith sometimes is what we rely on, I am secure in mine, just as I know Qmark is(who I've known here a long time). Do we all question our Faith from time to time, yes we do, we all ask how can I still have Faith when life throws you a curve. We all have tragic events in our lives, good and bad times, struggles, health and near death experiences, and daily we see all kinds of tragic events and wonder why this happens. Some directly to ourselves. We are all on a time clock, to "the jumping off point", I expect my Faith will take me to that day, not doubts. Along with Faith and age comes Wisdom (hopefully). 

July 14, 2018
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Well greeny2, I can assure you, I am not a charlatan. Every word I have put in print is true. Very soon my story will be available on video here on TBV. As I have made a report and filed it here.

I wouldn't be asking these questions or making these statements for nothing. I believe there are many people like me who are questioning thier faith after their own experiences. But it's people like you that stop them from posting.

Maybe you could share an experience you've had, and let the rest of us pick and prod at it. We'll even be unreasonable and pigheaded so you get the full treatment.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

July 14, 2018
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I've been nothing but respectful to you, never name called, I can not help it if you are not satisfied with my reply this time or before.  I have done nothing to make you stop posting anything. I've lived my life secure in my own Faith, if you can not respect that, I don't really care. 

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