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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
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August 1, 2018 - 4:15 pm
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That was very polite, I'll recommend you for a gold star on your report card. 

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August 1, 2018 - 4:27 pm
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I had already issued a warning to Legion for their talk... after these recent posts, since they don't care, I've banned the account. 

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August 2, 2018 - 12:14 pm
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Of course, the matter of God's reality is important to those who care about it - "spiritual" and "religious" people. For others it does not matter and is not interesting.

For those who seek a life beyond secular materialism - a life beyond what Buddhists call "Samsara" - religion claims to offer many things:

1) Connection to Nature

2) Connection to a Sacred Transcendent

3) Connection to other seekers and believers

4) Salvation, redemption, spiritual truth(s), Enlightenment

5) Deliverance, Bodhi, union with God, the Spirit, the Tao, Heaven, the Dharmakaya, the Buddha Mind

6) Non-attachment, calm, bliss, equanimity

7) Mystical knowledge

8) Immersion in God, communion-union with God via divine union mysticism

9) Personal experience of, and entry into, the Unborn, the Unconditioned, the Uncaused, the Uncreated

10) Spiritual transformation, "ego death" (ego defined as "the anxious, grasping self"), and "rising" into a new life centered in Spirit rather than in culture, materialism, the sham self, and the "superego"

Religion offers these and many more benefits to the spiritual seeker - benefits, most of which take their meaning from the existence of the Sacred Transcendent that is generally labeled as "God".

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August 24, 2018 - 8:51 pm
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Steve, great comments, nice breakdown. All spiritual topics, be it religion, meditation, energy transference, astral projection, remote viewing, all, in my opinion, are small pieces of the big picture.

The soul, spirit, energy source, whatever we call it, can be better understood if we take information from all sources. At the very least, we can make better decisions, with more information.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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August 4, 2018 - 8:49 am
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Just glanced over the post about God. There are a lot of close minded people in there. Faith that can't withstand being tested isn't real faith. Don't know why their first reaction is to be offended, Its human nature for people to doubt and be incredulous about things and especially things that are metaphysical in nature. Jordan Peterson, a evolutionary psychologist, has a theory that spirituality and the fundamental principles of religion is actually a evolutionary adaptation through sexual selection. He has many video's on the matter. He explains the utility of religion. And how our primate ancestors had a hierarchy to establish a pecking order. The ones closer to the top of that hierarchy were considered more and more ideal. Embodying the ideals of the tribe and being able to procreate more often and consistently they would pass their genes further repeating the cycle throughout time. Eventually taking the concept of the "ideal" and disembodying it from the physical, would become a primitive notion of God. Jordan Peterson's view is that no one is truly an atheist no matter if they label themselves atheist. To him they are what they act out. If they treat others as how they want to be treated they are acting out a Christian morality. But if that is true so must be the opposite. There are Christians who claim they are but do not follow the Christian ethos(they don't treat others as they want to be treated or even care about themselves). By the same principles if you are what you act out than there must be self professed Christians who are actually not Christians. I just thought it was an interesting perspective to share

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August 4, 2018 - 9:48 am
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Thank you for your reply - yeah, I like Peterson and I think he's on to something about the ancient nature of our religious roots. And I think you are right about what we do is what defines us - if we express our morality in action, we avoid the hypocrisy of saying "X", but doing "Y"...and that there are professing Christians who don't practice their own ethos, and so remain only professing Christians.

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I really like Peterson's response to "What is the importance of religious language?" in his discussion with Matt Dillahunty. You can catch it at 1 hr and 19 minutes into the discussion. I recommend watching the whole thing as it was enlightening regardless of your spiritual outlook. 

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August 24, 2018 - 8:35 pm
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Johen Kay, I appreciate the post, I'm not really sure what happened while I was gone lol, looks like a lot.

I never really intended for this to turn into a faith vs atheism post.

More of a tale of warning. That those like me, the faithful, will write off things as a religious experience, that in actuality,are interactions with real beings.

In the movie The Fourth Kind, there is a line that best describes what I mean. I'm paraphrasing,"I don't think they're God, but they can pretend to be."

To me this was always about, trying to figure out,how to tell the difference. It doesn't look like there is an answer for all of us. And some people can't take their faith being questioned.

I'm glad there are people like you and Steve, on here.:-)

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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August 26, 2018 - 7:46 am
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If this appears twice I apologise, lol. I just want to clarify,the term "real" meaning physical.

Just in case anyone wants to pick at my choice of words.:-)

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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August 4, 2018 - 11:32 am
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And to give an answer to the original question How would we know if it would truly be God if we met or saw God? God resides in the spiritual. So I would be hard pressed to believe a person who would claim omnipotence. I'm assuming that was the reason why so many Hebrews in the old testament didn't accept Jesus as the "Son of God" which I sympathize with. I feel Jesus was using those terms as if we are all children of God. If Jesus was a female he would have claimed to be the daughter of God. Even in revelations there are warnings of false prophets and to be wary. It is good to be cautious. Ask yourself if God is asking for blind faith or faith you can rely on(question is not directed at one person).

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