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April 25, 2012 - 8:21 pm
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But basically it could be referenceable as a heterarchical set of hierarchical subsets.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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April 25, 2012 - 8:53 pm
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It's interesting how referenceability can be referenced and so exists, making existence "subordinate" to itself like a self-similar object. Thus the word existence is, in part, self-referencing or at least self-encompassing.

Do you think existence and truth are related? I do.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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April 25, 2012 - 9:27 pm
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you couldn't have truth without existence..heck..you couldn't have falsities without existenece..everything is related to existence..because without existence..well..nothing exists

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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April 25, 2012 - 10:15 pm
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"at1with0" wrote: It's interesting how referenceability can be referenced and so exists, making existence "subordinate" to itself like a self-similar object. Thus the word existence is, in part, self-referencing or at least self-encompassing.

Do you think existence and truth are related? I do.

Perhaps truth and existence are in essence the same...

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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April 26, 2012 - 12:43 am
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Truth is what actually is, not a concept of what anything might be.

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April 26, 2012 - 2:33 am
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I was going to say that existence is truth, as greeney said "what actually is."

"greeney2" wrote: Truth is what actually is, not a concept of what anything might be.

But then the problem is defining actual.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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April 26, 2012 - 2:33 am
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And then...what is existence?

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The truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth, means don't lie, tell what actually happened, don't make it up as you go. That which was real is actual. If you do look up truth, it gets into a zillion philosophies what it is or isn't, to me its simple. Don't lie, don;t exaggerate, it isn't hocus pocus, The grand Master and Grasshoper, Quai Chang or something profound.

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You're talking about having a moral position on adherence to honesty which to me is not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

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What if we're signals in a brain in a vat?

Then we don't really know what is actual.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

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