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Ghosts, apparitions and spiritual manifestations.
September 26, 2014
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Throughout recorded history, there have been those that have believed that the body survives its physical demise, and that some trouble spirits roam the Earth in search of retributions or relief from their suffering they endured on the physical plane.

Some are believed to be the result of residual energy, like a repeating recording trapped in time, others seem to be conscious and aware of their surrounding and can communicate with those still in the physical realms of existence. There are those that may not be of human origin in any sense but exist in a different plane of existence, which, if the conditions are right, transcend our physical dimension, and are seen by those who are sensitive enough, or in the right place at the right time.

It has also been reported, very rarely, that some manifestations have been of an “alien” nature, which have been seen in certain locations. There are also incidents of a demonic nature, in which they, if that is a word to use, take the guise of a child (deceased), in order to interact with those that are still living, and then as it progresses the truth becomes known as to its intent, main of a negative nature.

With all these types of events, there seem to be some kind of law or order being followed, these events are not limited by countries, borders, culture, religion, socially circumstances or any other man made creations. So I often wonder whether these events are universal in nature, or at least some of them, that transcends this world, and occur on many other worlds that exist out there in the Cosmos, maybe we are seeing one tiny glimpse of these frames of reality on this world, and that it is just a small piece of a giant jigsaw and many other pieces are yet to be found.

April 12, 2019
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I think keeping things truly in question is the best method for those things which are impossible to answer with any fair level of legitimacy or credibility. 

When you start talking about other dimensions or multiverses; you are mixing dirty science with spirituality - and neither should be incorporated into the same viewpoint if either are to be taken seriously. The dirty sciences are those things which only exist in a computer model and cannot be proven anywhere else in our universe as being true or real. Multi-verses, alternate dimensions, dark matter, just as a few examples. Spiritual views, experiences, beliefs, or 'facts' are considered at the most, pseudosciences by the scientific community - all carrying the burden of proof through the scientific method. Science derails the spiritual. However, creating computer models which cannot be proven outside of the software program they were engineered in; these models must also stand up to the scientific method, and they cannot - thus are also pseudoscience, whether or not they slap the label 'theoretical' on it or not.

We know so very little about our own dimension, universe, and existence as it is - yet we try to grasp or comprehend outside of that, really amounts to nothing but the workings of madness. 

There is no reason that everything we experience - cannot exist within our own dimension , and place in space in harmonious coexistence. Gravity is a force, invisible but yet ever present - how many other forces are out there which share the same categorization? With us having but one observation point in the cosmos, earth - how are we to assign anything outside of those observations with any level of credibility?

Science is science when it deals with the natural world, and no amount of evidence will satisfy scientists about the supernatural world. Nor can science touch on the supernatural world, because it is not readily available to poke and prod in a petri dish and be scrutinized scientifically.

The endgame of mixing science with spirituality will result in the same thing; providing some scientific way of disproving any god. And while everyone who has a spiritual view on what God really is, which may be considerably different from one person to the next - one thing is constant, God is something beyond our scope of understanding from any facet, or from any level of comprehension. And while science may be able to do alot with their observations, if there is an unseen force out there , with intelligence - hiding in the backdrop of what we know - science will never be able to touch it.

June 24, 2015
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I'm going to offer the alternate hypothetical explanation I've come to after giving it much thought for a few decades.

1 ) Non Locality of the Soul, our Souls do not inhabit our bodies, our brains act as antennae for its signals and as semiautonomous computer running operation software programs. Our bodies are akin to video game avatars.

2 ) The Multiverse hypothesis is correct, copies of our Verse are constantly being created with variations & destroyed much like watching an endless flow of soda pop foam expand.

3 ) Because the soul is non local and the Verses are continuously created the soul exists somewhere else than the Verses and it controls EVERY copy of its Body Avatar, the actions, inactions, and other effects on the body/avatar have no effect on the Soul.

4 ) Thusly the Soul cannot be a Ghost. (UNLESS the soul replicates as endlessly as the bodies/avatars. The Afterlife would be pretty crowded if that happened.)

5 ) Ghostly manifestations do happen.

6 ) IF, and for this hypothesis to work we assume it is in the positive, subatomic particles positions cannot be determined accurately is because they slip in and out of different Verses we have a operational mechanism.

7 ) Working from the above what we can logically determine then is that Ghostly manifestations are NOT Spirits/Souls, but a hologram type effect, which may be semi solid at times, of subatomic particles and energies bleeding through one Verse to another temporarily.  These other Verses may exist in different points in time than our own and may even have a flow of the same time as Verses are created passing by. 

8 ) The membrane between Verses where Ghostly manifestations/Holograms occur could be unstable enough to allow energies and particles of our Verse to travel to the other thusly communication with/through the Ghostly Manifestation/Hologram is/maybe possible.

9 ) Thusly we may see the past, present, or future, because our Verse is relative to the whole Multiverse.  We might not be the first Verse we may very well be in a copy.  In some verses we are saints in some we are the worst of sinners, but our Souls unaffected much like a video game player is unaffected by what happens in a video game.  This does not mean we should not try to play the game to the best of ability and gain the most "points" though we may not know the rules ourselves, only our Soul knows them.

10 ) Deja Vu is probably akin to a Game Save, from an earlier Verse Life.

11 ) The "light at the end of the tunnel" is probably just the Soul leaving the darkened Video Arcade into the light of the next room "the Afterlife" and it will return to play again later.

12 ) There is No Heaven & No Hell except as alternate videogame levels, the Soul is unaffected since it plays both sinner and saint in all its infinite avatars.

13 ) The Afterlife has no punishment and is largely beyond our comprehension except that is filled with Love and no hate.

October 6, 2017
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Seriously? Wow, you need to slow way the f'K DOWN dude.Smile

"Varitas Vos Liberabit"

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October 7, 2017
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Actually Aquatank, that is interesting.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

October 10, 2017
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Chris_Banks said
Seriously? Wow, you need to slow way the f'K DOWN dude.Smile  

I meant that in a funny way, not judging or anything. When I get the time I'll share some of my many experiences I've had over the years. 

"Varitas Vos Liberabit"

John 8:32

October 15, 2017
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Nesaie said
Actually Aquatank, that is interesting.  

Agreed, this is interesting stuff

April 12, 2019
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John Franks said
I think keeping things truly in question is the best method for those things which are impossible to answer with any fair level of legitimacy or credibility. 
When you start talking about other dimensions or multiverses; you are mixing dirty science with spirituality - and neither should be incorporated into the same viewpoint if either are to be taken seriously. The dirty sciences are those things which only exist in a computer model and cannot be proven anywhere else in our universe as being true or real. Multi-verses, alternate dimensions, dark matter, just as a few examples. Spiritual views, experiences, beliefs, or 'facts' are considered at the most, pseudosciences by the scientific community - all carrying the burden of proof through the scientific method. Science derails the spiritual. However, creating computer models which cannot be proven outside of the software program they were engineered in; these models must also stand up to the scientific method, and they cannot - thus are also pseudoscience, whether or not they slap the label 'theoretical' on it or not.

We know so very little about our own dimension, universe, and existence as it is - yet we try to grasp or comprehend outside of that, really amounts to nothing but the workings of madness. 
There is no reason that everything we experience - cannot exist within our own dimension , and place in space in harmonious coexistence. Gravity is a force, invisible but yet ever present - how many other forces are out there which share the same categorization? With us having but one observation point in the cosmos, earth - how are we to assign anything outside of those observations with any level of credibility?

Science is science when it deals with the natural world, and no amount of evidence will satisfy scientists about the supernatural world. Nor can science touch on the supernatural world, because it is not readily available to poke and prod in a petri dish and be scrutinized scientifically.
The endgame of mixing science with spirituality will result in the same thing; providing some scientific way of disproving any god. And while everyone who has a spiritual view on what God really is, which may be considerably different from one person to the next - one thing is constant, God is something beyond our scope of understanding from any facet, or from any level of comprehension. And while science may be able to do alot with their observations, if there is an unseen force out there , with intelligence - hiding in the backdrop of what we know - science will never be able to touch it.  

<<Continuing because response posted before I was complete>>

The one thing that science is willing to admit- is energy ; which would include energy from living organisms ; never actually dies, but rather is transformed. The real question at that point, is does that energy keep cohesion, and does it contain any level of consciousness. Science has studied this, and there is a great deal of compelling evidence out there which supports that it does, through NDEs, and through cases of children remembering in great detail, their previous lives. However, because the subjects under scrutiny are considered 'dead' and revived - or have been dead for many years, regardless of their experiences , the science community will always be forced to find an alternative answer to those experiences - because if not, they are forced to accept something greater than science can explain.

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