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the objectification of women...
September 6, 2009
8:39 pm
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i think the problem is that most men (especialy the under 30's) think they have to act in a certain way with women to get respect off theyre peers, especialy the under 30's

we in western civilazation have been bombarded with extremely aggresive advertising for 50 years or more, an one of the best ways to grab your attention(if not the best) is sex.

surely, to notice and evaluate the oposite sex is pre-programed psychologicly anyways and you know an advertiser is going to break his own neck to include sexual imagery from the subtle to the in your face nudity.

probably the worst infuence nowdays is the music industry, if you are not perceived as sexualy attractive or "cool" you have almost no chance of a career, and it seems to me (a bald white 30somthing) that black youth culture has a terrible attitude to women, and thanks to the music industry and television that attitude is spreading all around the world, and ofcource little sheep of all colours sing the songs and want to copy the lifestyle. (im no racist so dont even think, it im just saying it as i see it)

to sumerize
television tells us what to think and advertising tells us what we want...its about time western men and women woke up and grew up .

September 6, 2009
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Well said Jas mate. 😀

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September 7, 2009
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ditto to that

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

September 11, 2009
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Jas, I agree. But that's been going on for centuries. Really since the begining of time. The injection of the Christian religion, teaching the male to be superior to the female, and the female likewise being submissive to the male. It's something that has taken years to overcome. From things as simple as women in the workplace, voting rights, and equal rights. But just like bigorty you can't break a mindset from a person. You can tell them that things have changed and women should be treated equally, but the individual person has to be willing to accept it. It's probably why I find the story of Lilith and Adam in the Alphabet of Ben Sira so interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air.

Adam stood in prayer before his Creator: 'Sovereign of the universe!' he said, 'the woman you gave me has run away.' At once, the Holy One, blessed be He, sent these three angels Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, to bring her back.

Said the Holy One to Adam, 'If she agrees to come back, what is made is good. If not, she must permit one hundred of her children to die every day.' The angels left God and pursued Lilith, whom they overtook in the midst of the sea, in the mighty waters wherein the Egyptians were destined to drown. They told her God's word, but she did not wish to return. The angels said, 'We shall drown you in the sea.’

'Leave me!' she said. 'I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for eight days after his birth, and if female, for twenty days.’

When the angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted she go back. But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God: 'Whenever I see you or your names or your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant.' She also agreed to have one hundred of her children die every day. Accordingly, every day one hundred demons perish, and for the same reason, we write the angels' names on the amulets of young children. When Lilith sees their names, she remembers her oath, and the child recovers.

"That's the problem with drinking ... If something bad happens you drink in attempt to forget; if something good happens you drink in order to celebrate; and if nothing happens you drink to make something happen." -- Charles Bukowski

September 13, 2009
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"bionic" wrote: some examples...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....gGiB-o84sk

This crap is responsible for so much more crap..like a virus.

cheating..false expectations..derading..anorexia..low self esteem..low self worth..seeing women has having little to no worth beyond their sexuality.

Forgetting to see women as people..with thoughts and feelins.

How many guys..when seeing women...automatically go to..usually just at teh site of a woman..without even talking to her
"She looks like a..."
"Hot".."Slut".."Uggo".."Pig".."Old"..."Bitch".."Whore".."MILF".."Cold Fish".."[email protected]#t".."Couger".."Fatazz".."Titless Twig"..etc...

a-lot..I bet..I;ve witnessed first hand..guys doing this..they do it ALL the time

All dehumanizing terms.

How does a gal even stand a chance to even be seen as a person first?

It's like a form of invisible burqa

Let's turn this on it head real quick shall we......women objectify men as well and make judgments upon them by the clothes they wear, stature, weight, hair style (if any), facial hair, speech tones, eye color and of course the big one OCCUPATION ( i.e: perceived financial status) etc etc.

Women wanted equality...they have been given that status. Sadly I don't ever recall ever being bought a drink as she tries to pick me up or a woman buying me a nice romantic dinner or a woman even opening a car door for me.

Then the "Feminazis" (love that term) and those who support them have been personally known to me to say things like "She who has the P**sy makes the rules"

Equality ha!

As for invisible burkas; I am all for them, at least we would see the jihadists with their backpack bombs coming. 😀

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September 13, 2009
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There's no comparison..it's like comparing pebbles to boulders...sparklers to conflagration...unless you go to "island of the amazons"..where men wear the burquas..invisible or otherwise.
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Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

September 13, 2009
11:24 pm
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No comparison

"bionic" wrote: There's no comparison..it's like comparing pebbles to boulders...sparklers to conflagration...unless you go to "island of the amazons"..where men wear the burquas..invisible or otherwise.
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Strange reaction. I note you do not deny that women objectify men.

Another point women are far more graphic and vulgar when dishing the dirt with the girls than most men contrary to popular myth.

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September 14, 2009
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As unsure I am about him I happen to agree.

Women wanted equality...they have been given that status. Sadly I don't ever recall ever being bought a drink as she tries to pick me up or a woman buying me a nice romantic dinner or a woman even opening a car door for me.

I agree. My girlfriend won £60 on a bet (my drinking abilities), and yet she still hasn’t bought me a drink for it. Laugh Laugh Laugh

Read between the lies

September 15, 2009
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There's no comparison..it's like comparing pebbles to boulders...sparklers to conflagration...unless you go to "island of the amazons"..where men wear the burquas..invisible or otherwise.

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

September 15, 2009
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Continuing to state "no comparison" as you do does nothing to prove your view point or is this another shift in the goal posts so that men are never to understand what you are rambling on about ❓ ❓ ❓

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