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No Blast crater Apollo?
March 13, 2011
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Sorry Cap you are dead wrong, this kind of scam would have been the most complicated and difficult scam to have faked, and kept quiet for 40 years. You are not seeing the technical end of this thing at all. The total number of eyes watching, countries monitoring, and other means that would have revieled something was up.

March 13, 2011
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I disagree, but that's just my opinion

"a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people."

March 14, 2011
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Your opinion with no proof, and no step by step senerio, of how exactly how they faked it. No concept of how they faked it whatsoever.

March 15, 2011
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Again, I never said I believed the moon landing was faked so I don't need to provide any proof. What I did say was that with proper determination, positioning and funding, I believe it is possible to pull off a scam like this.

Seems like the biggest case you are making for your point is that you helped work on these programs and therefore, are the only person in this forum to have a valid opinion on the subject. but, with all due respect, I don't know you and maybe you should provide some valid credentials to back up your claims. You can talk all you want about specifics in programs and what is involved, but the fact of the matter is that our gov't has deceived the public before. Because of that, people have grown weary about how truthful they have been with other matters such as the moon landing.

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March 15, 2011
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but the fact of the matter is that our gov't has deceived the public before.

Have you ever proven they decieved you, or is that what you were told, or read someplace?

March 15, 2011
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Just to be clear, my words were that the gov't has deceived the public... not that they have deceived me personally.

There is a wealth of information related to the numerous times the public has been deceived/scammed by gov't and organizations (admittedly so), maybe not to the extent of an alleged faked moon landing, but nevertheless. Do you really need me to provide proof? If this forum offered classes in conspiracy theory that would be the content of a 101 course.

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March 16, 2011
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Just to play devils advocate, you are really saying this is the concensous of the public that we are decieved, and this is what you have herd or read for years. We aren't supose to trust the Government, so they must be lying to us, so the assumption is they always lie.

This wealth of information, for the most part may be empty ideas and theories, not proven, like the faked moon landing idea. Everybody else believes it so it must be true. Now everthing is a conspriracy, and everything is fake. Nobody knows how, nobody has prooven anything, but since enough people believe something it must be true. And everyone that doesn't go along with it is some kind of blind sheep. Are things really conspriacys or just rumorsm half the time? How valid is your proof, or do you even have any at all? Is the proof iron clad, or reading between the lines? Just a suspicion, or something proven in a court of law? A picture shows something, but who says the picture is real? If they can fake the moon landing, faking one still picture and claiming some wild theory should be easier? Why isn't that the fake, when the author of the theory has no credibility? In this case the explanation is very believable, how they landed, and why the landing proceedure evolved. Ever notice how some people come to one conclusion and one particular thing, but they know for sure, about almost every so called conspiracy. Thats what wrong with the internet. They are already turning the Japanese Nuclear plants into one, just like the did the Tuson shooter, and the Ft. Hood shooter.

You may be right, maybe we have been decieved, but the only thing that tells me that is what you hear and read, so how do you know that information is even true? It boils down to what you want to believe. Problem is the absurd level which conspiracy theorists take these things without a schread of proof, or senerio of how it was done.

March 16, 2011
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I'm cannot speak for what the public believes. I can only say that, yes, time and time again the public has been deceived and lied to. Not every single person who represents us is lying to us, however, there are those who represent us that have... and are.

I don't think this conversation will go anywhere without proof of the public being taken for a ride so here you go. Again, I'm not trying to prove that the moon landing was faked, only that we are lied to and conspiracy theories are sometimes more than just theories. And yes, I agree with you 100% that there is pretty much a conspiracy theory for everything nowadays which is not helpful. However, to separate the shit from the bullshit?... such is life.

Tuskegee Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_s ... experiment

A story published in The Washington Post of November 2, 2005, reported that "The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement."
The report contends that the CIA has a worldwide covert prison system with facilities in Asia, Eastern Europe, and in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The system is central to the agency's anti-terror role, and according to the report has been kept secret from government officials (including Congressional committees that oversee the CIA) through the agency's own efforts as well as cooperation with foreign intelligence services.
This conspiracy was proven in 2006 when President Bush admitted that indeed there are secret CIA prisons in Europe and elsewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....99Hgo1ibsI

Operation Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....Northwoods

Iran-Contra Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.....on_scandal

Baxter Infects 10,000 people with the AIDS virus; Baxter also contaminates vaccines with Bird Flu virus. This is the same company manufacturing the popular H1N1 Vaccine.
Although not a proven conspiracy, this is still being investigated. However, if you cant read the writing on the wall, you deserve to consume their products.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... ics%2fAIDS
http://www.healthzone.ca/healt.....cle/593439

Watergate Scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....te_scandal

Enron Scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....tra_affair

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March 22, 2011
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Here's a link for linking's sake! I get it, I've been dancing around the subject and am one of the few that can honestly say I went from "Moon Hoaxer" Guy to "It Was Not Faked" Guy by the facts presented in this and a few other research stops. My biggest issues have been "No stars seen on the photos and movies from the surface of the moon" and "Driving around on the moon in a Rover?? Seriously? Come on!". The truth is, there ARE too many people involved. It would be like trying to conceal an explosion of a stick of dynamite in the palm of your hand.
The JFK assassination, Recovered Nazi Technology and "Subterrene" vanishing from the lime-light in the 70's (Thought I'd throw something new into the mix of ConThies) all could be small, controlled need to know ops easily. The moon landing, not so much. I have now officially decided it not only happened, but I need it to have happened to build my new wonderment up about why we've never been back! Oh, we were there....and guess who's NOT invited back! LOL I'm tellin' you man....get the tinfoil hats out....Where are all the rolls of footage that was to be release by the Japanese 2 years ago?? They took thousands of photos and reel after reel of the lunar surface. So did our boys in the 60's and 70's. Explain to me why, if NASA wanted the support of the people and was to be a true exploration hub to inspire generations of future space explorers to keep asking questions...why wouldn't we have taken every single frame and created a complete, unedited account of the event? Oh no, it has to be all top secret this and top secret that. To what? Prevent our competitors from seeing how we did it all? We have the international space station funded by several nations given full disclosure to the events therein. The moon landing footage is so important to all nations and all people for the further support and advancement of the technology, that there's no way it would kept secret...Right? Unless there was a real, serious secret involved. What could it be? Buzz told us. They were being watched. By whom? Yuri? Maybe the Russians left him up there circling the moon for a while to report back what we were up to? He wasn't just the first man in space, he was the first man to be referred to by our astronauts as the "...something out there, close enough to be observed" as reported by Buzz Aldrin. It's an interesting thing to consider we found structures. We captured hours of evidence of a past civilization. There I said it! Prove me wrong with actual facts please, don't just bark at me. You can't! That's the beauty of all of this....No one can prove anything to anyone that wants to hear what they want to hear, making none of this real by the truest sense of the term. God Bless America.

Here's the link to some very rational view points (As if Greeney hasn't covered it enough :))

http://www.badastronomy.com/ba.....pollo.html

March 24, 2011
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There I said it! Prove me wrong with actual facts please, don't just bark at me. You can't! That's the beauty of all of this....No one can prove anything to anyone that wants to hear what they want to hear,

How true that is, when people do not want to hear something, they will just be oppositional to anything you say. Either it is personal stubborness where they are convinced (anyone know someone like that?), or its an agenda which requires the art of discrediting, with a total lack of honesty, twards those giving input proving them wrong. Planted people and debunkers, that could care less about the truthHow many times have we seen this about GWB, the Iraq wars, debates over things like this or religion?

Theories about the WTC having preplanted explosives is another good example of a theory that when asked "How they did it", creates such a complex physical problem to pull it off, the idea is just ridiculas.

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