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May 18, 2020
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They say Binary is a universal language that aliens could understand and based on this Carl Sagan's SETI sent a binary message out into space in 1974, and 27 years later the answer came from ETs in a crop circle in England with a binary message warning us about false gifts and broken promises and co-ordinates to High Brazil. 

Also Jim Penniston from the Rendelsham Forest incident had a binary message that supposedly came into his head after to touched an alien craft. The message was later translated using the ASCII code.

What I want to know is:  How could ETs understand a Binary message?  It only gives numbers - we need the ASCII code to convert those numbers into letters, numbers and characters.  As these are human constructs how would the aliens know the ASCII code and how would they even know we designed this code to give messages in binary?  It doesn't make sense - why write it in Binary using ASCII to translate it into English. why would they not just write the message in English using our alphabet that we could easily read?

I would be grateful if someone could answer this for me, 

Thanks, 

RonaD

May 18, 2020
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That whole topic is a joke to me.

https://www.collective-evoluti.....-response/

First, it is impossible to send a binary "message", or any kind of universal message, actually, because any type of symbolic communication requires a definition of what the symbols mean. Even if aliens somehow knew the difference between human-created arbitrary codes like ASCII and EBCDIC, all that would do is identify which characters were intended, but then you'd be right back to the same problem in trying to define meaning by matching words with concepts. The best you could do would be to send a very large dictionary with a message so that each code (or binary number) was matched with a picture (noun), but then you'd have to figure out a way to represent verbs, adjectives, adverbs, etc., which would require either sending moving images somehow, or by using much more space, which violates the space constraints that led to the Arecibo message in the first place.

Next, the Arecibo message was *not* binary. It was just a crudely pixelized collection of *pictures* made of pixels that were either on or off, or black or white. The pixels could have all been inverted and the essence of the pictures would remain unchanged, even though any binary code formed from that arrangement would have been rendered incomprehensible. That means that interpreting those pictures as a *numerical*  code, namely as "binary," makes no inherent sense. Worse, note the pictures at that link I provided. The colors aren't even merely black and white, but rather also include colors blue, green, red, brown, and yellow. This means the "message" was really in base 7, not base 2, and "binary" means base 2, so whoever is calling it "binary" is an idiot.

Whoever made those crop circles, whether human or alien, must've had quite a laugh from the higher resolution pixelized image they left behind that was as meaningless as the crude pixelized images we sent. My guess is that it was a highly educated group of college students who did that, assuming the photo is authentic.

Next, if aliens were intelligent enough to intercept a probe and dwell on the pixelized diagrams on it, they would probably also be intelligent enough to have spaceships that could come here, intelligent enough to avoid wars in order to get way ahead of us on the technology race, and therefore intelligent enough to figure out our language without the need of childish pictures, whereby they could just speak to us directly--assuming they didn't deem humans and their silly pictures beneath their dignity.

The best that math can easily do is to prove that the sender is adept in math, such as by listing the prime numbers or the digits of pi in base 2, but that's not a message, since it's just a mathematically predetermined list that cannot be varied to describe a novel situation. More clever would be to send a formula whose solution was very difficult to determine, along with the numerical solution given in binary, but to do that would again require defining the symbols of the math formula--the plus sign, the definite integral sign, the limit sign, and so on--so you'd almost be back to the starting point I mentioned before.

Anyway, welcome to the forums.

May 27, 2020
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Why couldn't the original statement be correct?  Computers run on binary, at their core.  No different from Morse code, toggle switches, light switches.

We have code breakers.  People who are good at seeing patterns.  Why couldn't aliens do the same?

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May 28, 2020
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Nesaie said
Why couldn't the original statement be correct?  Computers run on binary, at their core.  No different from Morse code, toggle switches, light switches.

We have code breakers.  People who are good at seeing patterns.  Why couldn't aliens do the same?

Which original statement?

After watching the following Linda Moulton Howe video on this topic (excellent video and researcher, by the way), I understood where these claims came from, but I am still of the same opinion. Note the screen at 1:08:02, for example...

Linda Moulton Howe - A Hidden Alien Language within Binary Codes Could Reveal The ET Agenda
Mar 5, 2020
Zohar StarGate TV

1:08:02

The word "oPpose" and other words have wrong capitalization of random letters. This is indicative of somebody who doesn't know much about ASCII and is translating from an ASCII table without knowing that there is a different decimal code for the capitalized form of the letter. Here's an ASCII table so you can check yourself...

http://www.asciitable.com/

For example, capital "P" has decimal code "80" but lower case "p" has decimal code "112". If the typist had merely made a typo, it would likely have been a different type of error, like off by 1 (e.g., "113 instead of 112") or with one digit wrong (e.g., "121" instead of "112"), not off by exactly 32 that just happens to be the other version of the letter. This type of mistranslation occurs throughout all her charts. This signals a hoax. The fact that those errors occur on random letters also signals a hoax. In another part of the video it shows numbers (for latitude and longitude) that very unfortunately are ambiguous because the writer omitted the decimal point, which is just a period, which is ASCII decimal code "46". This suggests again that the writer didn't know how decimal points were coded, another sign of a hoax.

I can believe that a person can have a lengthy binary code sent to their brain that they can write, and I can believe that aliens examining computer transmissions (like if they picked up wifi signals) would soon notice that that the transmitted bit patterns are divided into groups of 7 bits...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII

...but then my earlier objections apply: It is not possible to match a string of characters (which is essentially a symbol) with a concept unless you have a dictionary of some type that somehow indicates what that symbol means. This is called the Symbol Grounding Problem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ng_problem

...which is one of the most fundamental problems of natural language understanding, which is why we can't program a computer to do artificial general intelligence. Also, why ASCII? EBCDIC could have been chosen instead...

http://ascii-table.com/ebcdic-table.php

...and the binary version of letters is very inefficient to transmit. Instead of transmitting bits to a person they could have transmitted characters just as easily, which would have been 7 times as efficient. None of these flaws are indicative of a superior intelligence.

May 28, 2020
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Lol, I meant what the first poster said.  I'm still listening to this video, but, I may not have time to finish it.

I merely found it to be an interesting concept.  I'd never heard that idea before.  I didn't want it discounted off hand.

But thanks for the links.  I always learn something when I show up to this site.

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May 29, 2020
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Binary is something humans use in their crude computers. Aliens use base 60.  They have had hundreds of millions of years to perfect infinitesimal calculus to solve any mathematical problem. They  do not use computers even for space travel. Think of the __Dune__  universe of Frank Herbert. No computers there. In addition, they have no robots or automation. Everything is done by the aliens themselves.  They do not broadcast radio or listen to ours.  They think it is stupid and will attract the bad aliens.  They do have wireless devices and the Americans and Russians both have one, but the Americans quit using theirs, dismantled it, and packed it away somewhere. So the aliens tell me. 

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May 30, 2020
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That whole topic is a joke to me.

https://www.collective-evoluti.....-response/

First, it is impossible to send a binary "message", or any kind of universal message, actually, because any type of symbolic communication requires a definition of what the symbols mean.

Thanks for the link, very interesting. The linked article also mention this:

https://www.cufon.org/pdf/4_NS.....ticles.pdf

The four articles from the NSA Technical Journal is from the 1952 - 1969. Years before the SETI program: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....telligence

It seems that NSA at that time were investigating how we could possibly interpret and understand a message from ET's if such a message should be received.

And maybe they are on to something. A carefully "mathematically" composed message may be possible to interpret. Given that the message was directed to us from someone who don't know any of our languages, and also know that we don't know any of theirs.

 

But other then that I agree with you. It is hard for us to interpret ancient text here on earth unless you can find something like a rosetta stone. So if we where to receive something like an ET's radio transmission we would probably not be able to understand it. Albeit still be able to tell its origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....etta_Stone

May 30, 2020
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RonaD said
They say Binary is a universal language that aliens could understand and based on this Carl Sagan's SETI sent a binary message out into space in 1974  

The Arecibo "message" was actually a small image (As Guy also noted). https://qrius.com/arecibo-message/

And it would be quite easy for someone receiving that "message" to reconstruct the image. But would they understand anything of it. Maybe, who knows?

Anyway I think one should view this ceremony, just as a ceremony, and no one really expect to get any answer because of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....bo_message

The message was broadcast into space a single time via frequency modulated radio waves at a ceremony to mark the remodeling of the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico on 16 November 1974.

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Guy said

For example, capital "P" has decimal code "80" but lower case "p" has decimal code "112". If the typist had merely made a typo, it would likely have been a different type of error, like off by 1 (e.g., "113 instead of 112") or with one digit wrong (e.g., "121" instead of "112"), not off by exactly 32 that just happens to be the other version of the letter.  

Note that a typo of digit number five in a binary number would yield a difference of 32.

EDIT: It should be digit 6. Digit 1 has a value of 1 (2 to the power of 0), and digit 6 has a value of 32 (2 to the power of 5)

Guy said

...and the binary version of letters is very inefficient to transmit. Instead of transmitting bits to a person they could have transmitted characters just as easily, which would have been 7 times as efficient. None of these flaws are indicative of a superior intelligence.

I thinks this is the main point. If ET's can telepathically send images into a humans brain, why not send messages in clear text?

Also what should we do with these rather nonsensical messages?

http://nabbed.unblog.fr/2015/1.....y-message/

http://www.therendleshamforest.....ebook.html

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Jorgen said
Also what should we do with these rather nonsensical messages?

http://nabbed.unblog.fr/2015/1.....y-message/

http://www.therendleshamforest.....ebook.html

  

Nice finds!

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