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Blacklisted by Apollohoax, Cosmoquest and StraightDope for proving the Lunar Hoax.
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Nunya Bidness
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August 8, 2018 - 1:14 pm
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This simple explanation of why the Apollo mission could not have traveled to the moon has gotten me banned by Apollohoax.net, Cosmoquest and StraightDope.  I imagine it will get me banned here too.

 

Galactic Cosmic Radiation are particles accelerated to near the speed of light that shoot into our solar system from other stars in the Milky Way or even other galaxies. Like solar particles, galactic cosmic rays are mostly protons. However, some of them are heavier elements, ranging from helium up to the heaviest elements. These more energetic particles can knock apart atoms in the material they strike, such as in the astronaut, the metal walls of a spacecraft, habitat, or vehicle, causing sub-atomic particles to shower into the structure. This secondary radiation, as it is known, can reach a dangerous level.  The Apollo Lunar crafts had no dedicated radiation shielding and relied on the heat shield, the aluminum and steel superstructure and the on board equipment to supply radiation shielding.  The Level of background radiation from GCR during the Apollo era ranges from 1 mrem/hr to 2 mrem/hr (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/t.....rotect.pdf) depending on the solar cycle.  It can be seen that because GCR is unshieldable except by large amounts of hydrogenous materials that the GCR would effectively set the base line radiation exposure for any lunar transit.  This baseline would .24 mgy/day (1 mrem/hr).  Even if there was no Van Allen Belt and even if the moon itself was not radioactive the minimum daily radiation exposure for cislunar travel would be .24 mgy/day.  Apollo 11's daily mission dose was .22 mgy/day.  It would be impossible to have an exposure this low if Apollo 11 left the protective shielding of the VAB.  This figures can be referenced to the Orion EFT mission and the Mars mission radiation data.  The defense rest.  The Apollo Hoax has been proven.

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August 9, 2018 - 8:31 am
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One thing you are absolutely wrong about, is you will never be banned here for posting subjects like this.  

You are also absolutely wrong we did go to the moon, every hoax theory has been disproven over and over and over, plus there is evidence on the moon we were there. 

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There is absolutely no evidence that man has stepped foot on the moon.  Most people claim the reflectors and the samples are proof but I remind them that Russia has placed 2 reflectors and collected samples without ever claiming men did it.  I stand by my claim that the Apollo missions radiation doses do not reflect a lunar transit.  They never left LEO.

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NASA Mission DosesImage Enlarger

It makes no sense that the Apollo missions have mission doses similar to all the low earth orbit missions when they transited the VAB and landed on the highly radioactive lunar surface.  This is not rocket science.

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Actually it is rocket science and like inventing the wheel, thousands and thousands of problems and obstacles resulted in thousands of inventions, processes, to solve or prepare for the moon. Over 100,000 people worked on every facet of the mission, the system and its engines. Yes we went, landed, and returned, I worked for Rocketdyne how built all the engines, 31 for  each mission.  Every single hoax theory has been totally debunked including this one you talk about. The astronauts were shielded and the exposure was minimal. Only a few years ago all the landing sites were seen and photographed with all the tracks, rover, and parts of the LEM base still sitting where they blasted off. Is all that fake too.faking it would be such an epic achievement taking droves of people, fooling every super power who could track the vehicle, not a single death bed confession or person has said “I helped do it”. Not to mention how they could fake putting phony moon rocks,dirt,dust packed into the command module, watched 24/7 in sterile white rooms, guarded like Fort Knox. Faking the moon missions with millions watching is preposterous.

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Nunya Bidness said
There is absolutely no evidence that man has stepped foot on the moon.   

Yes, there is... and a lot of it: https://spacecentre.co.uk/blog.....appened/ 

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The evidence you sight as proof could easily be discarded as evidence provided by unmanned missions.  The Russian missions are living proof that the things claimed to have been done by astronauts could have been done by probes and unmanned missions.  None of you are willing to address the elephant in the room and that is the lack of radiation exposure by the Apollo missions.  You hold up tons of circumstantial evidence but fail to address the impossibility of the mission.  Radiation is not a deep pool.  Jump in swim around.  I will change your mind if you show me that a lunar transit can be conducted with less than .5 mgy/day.

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The evidence you sight as proof could easily be discarded as evidence provided by unmanned missions.  The Russian missions are living proof that the things claimed to have been done by astronauts could have been done by probes and unmanned missions.  None of you are willing to address the elephant in the room and that is the lack of radiation exposure by the Apollo missions.  You hold up tons of circumstantial evidence but fail to address the impossibility of the mission.  Radiation is not a deep pool.  Jump in swim around.  I will change your mind if you show me that a lunar transit can be conducted with less than .5 mgy/day.  

This is an old and very much debunked theory. There are extensive resources on this, but Popular Science wrote in depth: https://www.popsci.com/blog-ne.....llen-belts

In addition, the site I referenced (which you dismissed) also dealt with this in length:

One of the most popular theories as to why the Moon landings couldn’t have happened has to do with something called the Van Allen belts. These are two huge belts of radiation that surround the Earth, shaped by Earth’s magnetic field and pounded with high-energy particles from the Sun’s wind. It’s been claimed that humans couldn’t have passed through these belts without being fried with lethal doses of radiation.

In fact, the international scientific community was aware of the Van Allen belts thanks to the ExplorerPioneer, and Luna missions in the 1950s. Luckily, the timings of the Apollo launches were such that the Van Allen belts were at their lowest intensity, which fluctuates with the Sun’s activity.

Radiation sickness occurs when you have been exposed to around 200 to 1000 ‘rads’ of radiation within a few hours. The Apollo 11 crew were within the belts for less than two hours during their journey to the Moon, and so would have only been exposed to an estimated 18 rads – well within the safe limit. There can still be some adverse effects from even this level of radiation, so NASA made sure that the Apollo 11 spacecraft was well-insulated such that the average dose of radiation over the 12-day mission was just 0.18 rads, or similar to the radiation dosage from a chest X-ray.

You can work through all the maths of the estimated radiation levels, along with some helpful answers, in this NASA Education worksheet here.

So, it appears that there is actually evidence, AND actual evidence and science to explain the radiation thing. However, you just dismiss it all, which isn't our fault.

Those who believe in the moon landings, like myself, and greeney2 who worked in the space program post Apollo era, don't buy these theories, but are often challenged. For whatever reason, people who fight "your side" are notorious for saying there is no evidence, and when evidence is put forth, you say it's all wrong or fake or whatever.  It isn't our job to prove the moon landings happened. There is ample evidence in the form of film reels, thousands of photographs, documents, etc.  It's your choice to ignore all that, but don't pretend it's all made up and it's up to us to prove the moon landing took place.  The evidence is there -- it's actually up to you to DISPROVE it -- of which you can not.

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John Greenewald, Jr,

You are not paying attention.  I claim if you discount the Van Allen Belts and take into account only the Galactic Cosmic Radiation (GCR) the minimum exposure the Apollo missions could have received is .24mgy/day.  Apollo 11 received .22 mgy/day.  There is only two places in the galaxy that you will receive less than .24 mgy/day and that is on earth or in low earth orbit.  Now it would be quite easy to silence me by demonstrating that this claim is erroneous.

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In other words I'm right until you go on a wild goose chase to prove me wrong, in which case I will alter my theory and send you on another wild goose chase. Your entire theory has been addressed and proven incorrect.  

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