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at1with0
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July 24, 2011 - 1:32 am

Let me suggest that there should be a theory of TOEs. (TOE = Theory of everything)

What is a ToE? (For that matter, what's a theory and what's "everything"?)

Is there a TOE? How many? What's the simplest one? Is there a simplest one?

If there is a TOE, can it be represented symbolically vis a vis symbols human have created or can create? For example, is it expressible as a "one inch equation," a phrase made popular by Michio Kaku?

What traits must be common among all TOEs other than the defining traits? What are the characteristics that are essential to be a TOE?

This is all a study of TOEs without specifically mentioning any candidate TOEs, a theory of TOEs. Can a theory of TOEs produce or yield a TOE?

Can any of this be proved at least to the standards of modern math? If not, to what extent does that torpedo the whole notion of a TOE?

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May 27, 2012 - 9:50 am

The theory of everything must be inclusive of everything, so how does that work for certain scenarios of paradoxical logic?

Suppose there is a town with just one barber, who is male. In this town, every man keeps himself clean-shaven by doing exactly one of two things:

Shaving himself, or
going to the barber.

Another way to state this is:

The barber shaves only those men in town who do not shave themselves.

All this seems perfectly logical, until we pose the paradoxical question:

Who shaves the barber?

This question results in a paradox because, according to the statement above, he can either be shaven by:

himself, or
the barber (which happens to be himself).

However, none of these possibilities are valid! This is because:

If the barber does shave himself, then the barber (himself) must not shave himself.
If the barber does not shave himself, then the he (barber) must shave himself.

A third truth value is then required.

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May 27, 2012 - 10:32 am

The barber doesn't only shave men who do not shave themselves. That supposed paradox is the result of a falsely excluded middle. It's an example of extreme black & white thinking.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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May 27, 2012 - 10:44 am

"DIss0n80r" wrote: The barber doesn't only shave men who do not shave themselves. That supposed paradox is the result of a falsely excluded middle. It's an example of extreme black & white thinking.

It is an example of Russell's paradox that you should know about since you have been discussing it for SEVERAL YEARS at the universal forums :naughty:

In the foundations of mathematics, Russell's paradox (also known as Russell's antinomy), discovered by Bertrand Russell in 1901, showed that the naive set theory created by Georg Cantor leads to a contradiction. The same paradox had been discovered a year before by Ernst Zermelo but he did not publish the idea, which remained known only to Hilbert, Husserl and other members of the University of Göttingen.

According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradict its own definition as a set containing all sets that are not members of themselves. On the other hand, if such a set is not a member of itself, it would qualify as a member of itself by the same definition. This contradiction is Russell's paradox.

At1with0 and Dissonator. They just want to argue for the purpose of destruction for its own sake. They wish to destroy knowledge and destroy humanity.

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May 27, 2012 - 10:50 am

"khanster" wrote: At1with0 and Dissonator. They just want to argue for the purpose of destruction for its own sake. They wish to destroy knowledge and destroy humanity.

What?

That's crazy talk, dude.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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May 27, 2012 - 10:52 am

"DIss0n80r" wrote: [quote="khanster"]At1with0 and Dissonator. They just want to argue for the purpose of destruction for its own sake. They wish to destroy knowledge and destroy humanity.

What?

That's crazy talk, dude.

Perhaps it is a little overly dramatic but I know you love drama

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May 27, 2012 - 11:08 am

I'd like it even more if you actually responded to the post.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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May 27, 2012 - 12:47 pm

"DIss0n80r" wrote: I'd like it even more if you actually responded to the post.

You just don't have a clue what Russell's paradox is and the wikipedia quote is totally over your head..

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May 27, 2012 - 1:00 pm

That may be.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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May 27, 2012 - 1:04 pm

"DIss0n80r" wrote: That may be.

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