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The Hubble telescope was inrended for spying on us?
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January 15, 2019 - 4:28 am
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https://www.earthfiles.com/201.....a-secrets/

Lol the title should say "intended", tried to change it but couldn't ūüôā

I just thought this was interesting, especially the part about the Hubble telescope. Unreal.

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January 17, 2019 - 6:32 am
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That's a lot of info. Care to pinpoint the relevant part?

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January 17, 2019 - 4:24 pm
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I've gone through,and grabbed a little, but the whole article is worth the read.

 Hubble’s origin was one of the NRO’s spy satellites in the Keyhole KH-12 series. The optics were so exceptional that some bright person suggested simply turning a KH-12 spy satellite around and instead of pointing at the Earth, point out into the universe. 2011 image by European Space Agency.

Yes. In the 1970s and 1980s, we were in the height of the Cold War. And there was a drive to get the maximum reconnaissance, the maximum definition of what does your opponent have in terms of deployable machinery and troops. And we saw that play out with the intrigues over the U2 spy planes, the SR-71 blackbird. We saw this playing out in public.

But in the background were a whole series of advanced reconnaissance satellites that were being developed. And the Keyhole series, the KH series, were the cutting edge of that. And then there was the transition to the Manned Orbital Laboratory idea, which had the first ever electronic camera CCD systems to replace film. So, those KH series MOLs had very powerful optics and some of the very earliest CCD cameras, which then transmitted the information directly back to Earth receiving stations.

The MOL capsule was basically a large Gemini capsule that was modified to take a very large camera system at the front and have astronauts at the back. And they were to operate this camera system to get the details of the Soviet sites that they were interested in. Then miniaturized, powerful, reliable computer systems were able to replace reliably the position of the astronauts. And this was the start of the KH-11 series. Then that became further enhanced to become the KH-12, which is the series that is the Hubble telescope, which is nothing more than a KH-12 spy satellite pointed the wrong way.

That was supposed to have a modified mirror, but due to a manufacturing error, they manufactured one that was designed to point at the ground. So when the KH-12 spy satellite was turned around to look out into the cosmos, it had only approximately a 200-mile focus as opposed to an infinity focus. And that was why there was subsequently a mission to correct the shortsightedness of Hubble!

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January 18, 2019 - 9:37 am
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https://space.stackexchange.co.....satellites

 

This may shed some light on the spy vs Hubble telescope. It was not a spy satellite. 

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January 18, 2019 - 10:10 am
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Did you even read that article you suggested? At the end  it clearly apologised for having no definitive answer. And like me, will wait for the answers to come out some time in the future.I'm pretty sure that Ms. Howe, being the journalist she is, would have looked in to that.

You don't really think that they would leave a paper trail for something so covert do you? Hence the conspiracy ūüôā

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January 19, 2019 - 10:47 am
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I worked on the space shuttle program for 30 years, we had many secret missions, even we did not know what they were doing. Many were secret Air Force missions, they went up and came back and that's all anyone knew.  We had many more major missions for the space station, and hubble, including the repair of the hubble, that were not shrouded in secrecy, they were quite public, and definitely known to thousands of workers.  IMHO the hubble was never intended for a spy use, the lens repair was an embarrassment to the program, Hundreds of millions down the drain because the lens were wrong, and the repair of is was one of the programs finest moments.  

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January 19, 2019 - 11:33 am
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"This may shed some light on the spy vs Hubble telescope. It was not a spy satellite."

Seems to me,the guy she's interviewing, knows more than you ,about what you were really working on. That must suck. I get that, but making definite statements with no proof is pretty arrogant in my opinion. All I said was this was interesting.:-)

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January 20, 2019 - 12:45 am
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My link provided a explanation of why a spy and the Hubble would be different, that is  hardly not giving proof. Yesterday you saw a real spy mission launched, from Vandenberg, which I worked on those rocket engines. It was shrouded in secrecy, and after liftoff, all tracking was blocked, the final stage blocked, its paths unknown. This is how secret missions are done. The Hubble missions were high profile public events with tracking and on board coverage, unlike real secret spy missions. All that plus the link I gave about it I think explains a reasonable belief it was never a spying telescope. You may believe whatever you like, I write quite a bit about defending a space program I was part of against stupid conspiracy things like fake moon landings. As for spy capabilities they can read the license plate on your car now, and when a shuttle was in trouble they were able to see the tiles from the ground. Notice I did not call you names like being called arrogant, explaining myself. 

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January 24, 2019 - 8:36 am
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The article you posted, even says that it can't give any definitive answer, how is that providing proof? And the "arrogant" remark, is in regards to you dismissing the article I suggested, investigated by an award winning journalist, with one simple statement,because you think you know better. That is arrogant in my opinion. Sorry.:-)

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January 24, 2019 - 9:48 am
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Nothing is arrogant about the link I gave, it very well explains why hubble would not be for spying. If you have some proof my link is false or a lie, untrue or fabricated, lets hear why. 

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