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February 1, 2012 - 1:54 am
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"Wing-Zero" wrote: Yes, I saw the previous post.

but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill).

Once again, I reiterate - COVERED PERSONS. You can take a gander at SEC. 1031. and see for yourself that it states numerously that the things in the bill only apply to covered persons (and also points to sub-section b in SEC. 1032. to tell you who does OR DOESN'T fall under "Covered Persons".)

The evidence isn't there that it allows for indefinite detention of American citizens. Even if it did, numerous Supreme Court cases AND the 6th Amendment would be shoved in there so damn quick it would probably be considered an NC-17 rating.

Though you try to cheat people, Obama knew better what he signed. Tell me what he said that "his administration won't use that law" means?

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act
17 January, 2012, 02:28

US President Barack Obama is the target of a suit filed by Pulitzer Prize-winner Hedges, and the reasoning seems more than obvious to him. The decision to take the commander-in-chief to court comes as a response to President Obama’s December 31 signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a legislation that allows the US military to detain American citizens indefinitely at off-site torture prisons like Guantanamo Bay.

Obama amended the NDAA with a signing statement on New Year's Eve, insisting that while the Act does indeed give him the power to detain his own citizens indefinitely without charge, that doesn’t mean he will do so. Specifically, Obama wrote that his administration “will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” Under another piece of legislation, however, the government is being granted the right to suspend citizenship of any American if the Enemy Expatriation Act joins the ranks of the NDAA as an atrocious act approved by the president.

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-h.....-sued-933/

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February 1, 2012 - 2:46 am
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Several congressmen that supported this bill are under the impression that it does indeed include U.S. citizens, have said that was their intention and they wished the bill went further. It's all there on CSPAN and linked on youtube for all to see. Maybe I could sort through my web history and pull up such a video I watched just last night.

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February 1, 2012 - 4:01 am
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"katsung47" wrote: Though you try to cheat people, Obama knew better what he signed. Tell me what he said that "his administration won't use that law" means?

Cute, another ad hominem, but you have no proof nor evidence that the bill allows for what you say it allows.

"Rykuss" wrote: Several congressmen that supported this bill are under the impression that it does indeed include U.S. citizens, have said that was their intention and they wished the bill went further. It's all there on CSPAN and linked on youtube for all to see. Maybe I could sort through my web history and pull up such a video I watched just last night.

I'd like to see that video. I'm also fully aware that Congressfolk would have no problem putting the actual writing into a bill and signing our lives away.

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

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February 1, 2012 - 2:52 pm
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I'm still digging through my history, I watch and visit a lot of places! 😯 Let me know what you think of this one. Anyone can host these and give them whatever title they like, I look past that and judge the contents within. My apologies, I had to run out the door shortly after posting this morning. Anyway, this one is an eye opener because they are discussing not only the NDAA but intelligence gathering. I think this was a discussion about Homeland Security in general.

These are some of the people responsible for such bills and it's eye opening just to hear them speak.

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February 14, 2012 - 1:44 am
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"Wing-Zero" wrote: [quote="katsung47"]Though you try to cheat people, Obama knew better what he signed. Tell me what he said that "his administration won't use that law" means?

Cute, another ad hominem, but you have no proof nor evidence that the bill allows for what you say it allows.

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Myth busted: Yes, the NDAA does apply to Americans, and here's the text that says so
Sunday, January 01, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
First off, the offending section of the bill that used to be called 1031 was moved to 1021. Here is the title:

(http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-...)

SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

The two relevant sections to consider are titled and stated as follows;

(d) CONSTRUCTION. -- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

By PARSING the language here, we must split it into two sentences based on the "or" operator. This statement essentially means:

• Nothing in this section is intended to LIMIT the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

• Nothing in this section is intended to EXPAND the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

In other words, this section places no limits whatsoever of the "authority of the President" to use military force (against American citizens). Keep that in mind as you read the next section:

http://www.naturalnews.com/034538_NDAA_ ... z1kQnEAmHC

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February 15, 2012 - 7:18 am
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You might wanna fix that 404 gpo.gov link, champ.

Edit: Check SEC. 1022., buddy. It says the exact same thing.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112h ... 540enr.pdf

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL
RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain
a person in military custody under this section does not extend
to citizens of the United States.

Next, please.

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"Wing-Zero" wrote: You might wanna fix that 404 gpo.gov link, champ.

Edit: Check SEC. 1022., buddy. It says the exact same thing.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112h ... 540enr.pdf

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL
RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain
a person in military custody under this section does not extend
to citizens of the United States.

Next, please.

I think the petition should be to impeach all Senators with "scary views" about US citizens. Laugh C-SPAN has all the evidence we need. When these people speak, I can't help but facepalm. Laugh

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February 18, 2012 - 10:17 pm
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"Rykuss" wrote: I think the petition should be to impeach all Senators with "scary views" about US citizens.

I'd sign that petition exactly one billion times.

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Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

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"Wing-Zero" wrote: [quote="Rykuss"]I think the petition should be to impeach all Senators with "scary views" about US citizens.

I'd sign that petition exactly one billion times.

Talk about a major hand cramp. 😯

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February 26, 2012 - 10:41 pm
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Ron Paul Demands Repeal of NDAA in Post-Primary Speech

Posted by clnews Thursday, February 2nd, 2012

http://consciouslifenews.com/ron-paul-d ... h/1124191/

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