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July 22, 2011
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Generation Millenial (anyone 30 or younger right now).. ... 5200.shtml

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 22, 2011
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its nothing new. Many years ago at my company they started up many concepts of continuous product improvment ideas, that evolved every year into new program with different names, but were the same old crap. The young people were always "team players", got all enthused with all the new buzz words, and all played the office game, while the old worker became parts of all the teams. Bottom line was they didn;t know their ass from a hole in the ground, and figured it out, that all the old farts with 20-40 years knew the hardware inside out. We wern't telling "How To", so they made us part of problem solving teams, where we were "equal partners". Until it came to who got better savings plans, and wages. All it was was a fancy brain picking fiasco, as the older upper management retired out, who knew what they were doing, the new younger set of managment was taking place who didn't. Someones son, or someones nephew, of someone who had a college degree which was the new requirment was moving up. All the old guys were on the job trained, and many of our specialty engineers had come up through the ranks of hands on machining and welding experience, so specialized to our products, they became specialized engineers in title only, not degrees. The new incoming engineers fresh out of college were book smart, but had no expericnce whatsoever in the real world of building rocket engines. We hired a really nice kid fresh out of Ohio State University, a BS degree in metalurgical and welding engineer. My boss told me, work with him everyday, and don;t let him get in trouble, so I spent nearly 2 years showing him the ropes, and I was just a welder. A welder training a graduate welding engineer!

By the time I retired he was an excellent welding engineer, and really did fit right in, he was a natural, but need guidance. All the older upper management had gone and now the new wave was middle and floor level management was a 35 something group, and upper management was a 45 something group. All the older guys, who went from hands on labor(Mercury and Apollo) to running the company were retired, and a new wave of college degree managment was taking place. They needed to old work horses to show them the ways.

Its just another sign of lost arts and lost crafts in this country, The old time Master machinist who could operate any machine is gone, we now have operators who can load and operate a program, that does the job. We had a class one time where the example was the hand made watch, which was replaced by the quartz crystal digital watch in Japan and cheaper to make. They thought that was a good thing that broke out of an old way of thinking. If you still thought that way, you were told how wrong you were, tlak about brainwashing. I am so sorry I didn;t speak up and say, what brainwashing crap that is, you are willing to trade off and render extinct, the craft of a hand made swiss watch for cheap production. Thats the perspective of an old guy vs. a new younger set, who sees no value in old arts. Just trade handcrafted fine furnature, for chrome plated thin wall square tubing with a glass top from IKEA, they do the same thing. Except one will be doing it in 100 years from now, the other will be a bumper someplace in 10.

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